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Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

Dean Martineau
 

Word is my default PDF viewer with Microsoft 365 and JFW 2020. I would be interested in side-by-side comparisons that demonstrate why Word is such a bad tool. My only comparison was using Adobe Reader and Word to process a large table, and Word was significantly better.

 

Dean

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 1:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

 

You can open it in a browser, like fire fox or Chrome or Edge.

Also, if you silence it in word or whatever, try using the Jaws cursor.

I would not use Word for a PDF.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 12:19 PM

Subject: reading pdf documents with jaws.

 

Hi,

 

I am using excel and ms word.

When i save files as pdf, jaws reads out text even if it cannot be seen.

I had my son look at a particular document, and this is basically what he told me.

 

I had 8 cells of excel merged.

In this i had “if you have any questions in relation to this, please contact the company using the details above”.

When i look at it in excel, jaws reads out the entire thing.

When i save it as a pdf, jaws reads out the entire thing.

However, when my son looks at the pdf, he only sees the text as far as the word “using”.

Everything after this is truncated.

With regard to word, if i create a table, and things are not properly presented in the columns, jaws just reads it as if everything is ok.

For example, if there is too much text in a column of a table, to the eye, it looks like it is “pushed” up.

At least, thats the way my son explained it to me.

However, as i said, jaws reads it just fine in word and as a pdf.

I suppose, basically what i am trying to get at here, is:

Does anyone know of a way, to have jaws just read out what someone with sight would actually see?

To have jaws speaking text that is hidden from the eye, is causing problems.

 

Regards,

 

pat

 

Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

Dan Longmore
 

The screen reader will always read all of the text in an XL column even if the column is truncated and the words are not visible.

Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

Dan Longmore
 

There are some formatting issues but we’re does fine opening PDFs and even saving them the PDFs


On Jul 15, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:


You can open it in a browser, like fire fox or Chrome or Edge.
Also, if you silence it in word or whatever, try using the Jaws cursor.
I would not use Word for a PDF.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 12:19 PM
Subject: reading pdf documents with jaws.

Hi,

 

I am using excel and ms word.

When i save files as pdf, jaws reads out text even if it cannot be seen.

I had my son look at a particular document, and this is basically what he told me.

 

I had 8 cells of excel merged.

In this i had “if you have any questions in relation to this, please contact the company using the details above”.

When i look at it in excel, jaws reads out the entire thing.

When i save it as a pdf, jaws reads out the entire thing.

However, when my son looks at the pdf, he only sees the text as far as the word “using”.

Everything after this is truncated.

With regard to word, if i create a table, and things are not properly presented in the columns, jaws just reads it as if everything is ok.

For example, if there is too much text in a column of a table, to the eye, it looks like it is “pushed” up.

At least, thats the way my son explained it to me.

However, as i said, jaws reads it just fine in word and as a pdf.

I suppose, basically what i am trying to get at here, is:

Does anyone know of a way, to have jaws just read out what someone with sight would actually see?

To have jaws speaking text that is hidden from the eye, is causing problems.

 

Regards,

 

pat

 

Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

Glenn / Lenny
 

You can open it in a browser, like fire fox or Chrome or Edge.
Also, if you silence it in word or whatever, try using the Jaws cursor.
I would not use Word for a PDF.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 12:19 PM
Subject: reading pdf documents with jaws.

Hi,

 

I am using excel and ms word.

When i save files as pdf, jaws reads out text even if it cannot be seen.

I had my son look at a particular document, and this is basically what he told me.

 

I had 8 cells of excel merged.

In this i had “if you have any questions in relation to this, please contact the company using the details above”.

When i look at it in excel, jaws reads out the entire thing.

When i save it as a pdf, jaws reads out the entire thing.

However, when my son looks at the pdf, he only sees the text as far as the word “using”.

Everything after this is truncated.

With regard to word, if i create a table, and things are not properly presented in the columns, jaws just reads it as if everything is ok.

For example, if there is too much text in a column of a table, to the eye, it looks like it is “pushed” up.

At least, thats the way my son explained it to me.

However, as i said, jaws reads it just fine in word and as a pdf.

I suppose, basically what i am trying to get at here, is:

Does anyone know of a way, to have jaws just read out what someone with sight would actually see?

To have jaws speaking text that is hidden from the eye, is causing problems.

 

Regards,

 

pat

 

Re: clock question

Marty Hutchings
 

I changed a battery in a Dell about 8 years ago. I did it with the power cord unplugged, because I am not messing around inside a piece of gear with power connected and never lost anything as far as settings goes. It worked fine when plugged in and I was able to set the clock.



Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 7:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: clock question

Tapp the Windows Key, then type: Date, followed by ENTER.

If you or, someone else decide to change the lythium backup battery, do not
remove the power cable, when the old lythium battery is removed, because, if
you do remove the power cable with no backup battery inserted, all the bios
settings will be lost.

HTH

Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Madison Martin" <maddymartin@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: clock question


I can't find date and time in the control panel...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: July 14, 2020 2:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: clock question

press the windows key and go to the search box and type in control panel.
then go to date and time. go to the internet settings and set it to get the
time from the server.


-----Original Message-----
From: Madison Martin
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: clock question

How do I get to Windows settings?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: July 14, 2020 2:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: clock question

You can go to the windows settings, date and time settings.
If you have automatically adjust the time then as someone said, your battery
may be going out because it shouldn't slow down.
You can get into those settings and adjust it manually, but I just leave
mine so it syncs with the internet.
I also find it is easier to cope with settings if I put Jaws in Speech on
Demand and launch Narrator.

HTH,


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
himself," and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
granting grace to others, I've never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward
Herbert

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: clock question

Hi all,
Can someone please tell me how to change the time on my computer so that it
stays? It's off by at least 15 minutes which is rather annoying. I'm running
Jaws 2018 and Windows 10. Thanks Madison

Re: Question for those using One Drive at home

Dan Longmore
 

I really like one drive and find it easier than dropbox. I can access my files and make them available off-line if I wish. The one drive account is always available on the computer from which I said it up and I can access the one drive files from any device once I sign into OneDrive from that other device such as my phone.


On Jul 15, 2020, at 12:20 PM, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io <Robin_Van_Lant@...> wrote:



Hi All,

Microsoft keeps prompting me to think about using One Drive on my home laptop.  We just started using it at work.   Can someone explain to me if One Drive is like DropBox in that I can store my files on my hard drive and choose which files to move to One Drive.  Or, if I enable One Drive, will all my files be transitioned to One Drive and I’ll have to flag which ones I want to  keep offline copies of?  The latter is how we do it at work, but since I didn’t set it up on my work laptop, I’m not sure if I have a choice on my personal laptop as to how One Drive works.   Just a little flustered about changing how I do things and being able to find my files.

 

Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager - Sales Enablement

Key Equipment Finance & Key Institutional Bank

720-304-1060

 

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.

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reading pdf documents with jaws.

Patrick Murphy
 

Hi,

 

I am using excel and ms word.

When i save files as pdf, jaws reads out text even if it cannot be seen.

I had my son look at a particular document, and this is basically what he told me.

 

I had 8 cells of excel merged.

In this i had “if you have any questions in relation to this, please contact the company using the details above”.

When i look at it in excel, jaws reads out the entire thing.

When i save it as a pdf, jaws reads out the entire thing.

However, when my son looks at the pdf, he only sees the text as far as the word “using”.

Everything after this is truncated.

With regard to word, if i create a table, and things are not properly presented in the columns, jaws just reads it as if everything is ok.

For example, if there is too much text in a column of a table, to the eye, it looks like it is “pushed” up.

At least, thats the way my son explained it to me.

However, as i said, jaws reads it just fine in word and as a pdf.

I suppose, basically what i am trying to get at here, is:

Does anyone know of a way, to have jaws just read out what someone with sight would actually see?

To have jaws speaking text that is hidden from the eye, is causing problems.

 

Regards,

 

pat

 

Re: Windows 10 question

 

Hi,

Usually this indicates an incompatible driver or app version in use, as there are reports that removing OneDrive prior to applying Version 2004 will work on some cases.

Let’s discuss this further on a more specialized list.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 9:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 question

 

Just as a data point, it does appear that Microsoft has now built-in "hardware readiness checking" to the Feature Update process.  Several people have reported that they had the update work on some of their computers, and fail on others, with a message given that the machine could not update to Windows 10.  The "can't update to Windows 10" part is inaccurate as they are already on Windows 10, so I hope they eventually change the wording to say something like, "can't apply this feature update to Windows 10 on this computer."  I intentionally attempted to force the update on a spare laptop I have where the Windows Update Pane is stating that it's "not quite ready" for the feature update, just to see if one could actually force it or if it would stop itself.  It goes far further into the process of applying the update than makes sense to me if it's going to later call a halt on it, but I don't design when the checks occur, Microsoft does.

Here is the exact text of the message that follows the big, "Attention" banner:


This PC can't be upgraded to Windows 10.

Your PC settings aren't supported yet on this version of Windows 10. Microsoft is working to support your settings soon. No action is needed. Windows Update will offer this version of Windows 10 automatically when these settings are supported.

Learn More

So it appears that Microsoft has now made it impossible to force update machines that it deems are "not quite ready" for a given Feature Update.


--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

Re: Windows 10 question

 

Just as a data point, it does appear that Microsoft has now built-in "hardware readiness checking" to the Feature Update process.  Several people have reported that they had the update work on some of their computers, and fail on others, with a message given that the machine could not update to Windows 10.  The "can't update to Windows 10" part is inaccurate as they are already on Windows 10, so I hope they eventually change the wording to say something like, "can't apply this feature update to Windows 10 on this computer."  I intentionally attempted to force the update on a spare laptop I have where the Windows Update Pane is stating that it's "not quite ready" for the feature update, just to see if one could actually force it or if it would stop itself.  It goes far further into the process of applying the update than makes sense to me if it's going to later call a halt on it, but I don't design when the checks occur, Microsoft does.

Here is the exact text of the message that follows the big, "Attention" banner:

This PC can't be upgraded to Windows 10.

Your PC settings aren't supported yet on this version of Windows 10. Microsoft is working to support your settings soon. No action is needed. Windows Update will offer this version of Windows 10 automatically when these settings are supported.

Learn More

So it appears that Microsoft has now made it impossible to force update machines that it deems are "not quite ready" for a given Feature Update.


--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

Re: Question for those using One Drive at home

Richard Turner
 

I use oneDrive at home with my Microsoft 365 plan.

I believe you have a choice to store everything on your local drive, but even if it is in the cloud, you can opt to make it available off line.

In fact, if it is in the cloud and you open it locally, it gets made available off line automatically I think.

I’ve not notice any lag in opening files or anything.

I can access my files from my iPhone anywhere this way, which I like.

And after the latest DropBox update, I’m inclined to just use OneDrive.

I get 1 TB of storage with my Microsoft 365 and likely won’t ever come close to that amount.

My wife, who also is using the Microsoft 365 subscription also has her own 1 TB of space from the one subscription.

 

I think it works great and is easier than the current DropBox on my computer.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 9:21 AM
To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io) <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Question for those using One Drive at home

 

Hi All,

Microsoft keeps prompting me to think about using One Drive on my home laptop.  We just started using it at work.   Can someone explain to me if One Drive is like DropBox in that I can store my files on my hard drive and choose which files to move to One Drive.  Or, if I enable One Drive, will all my files be transitioned to One Drive and I’ll have to flag which ones I want to  keep offline copies of?  The latter is how we do it at work, but since I didn’t set it up on my work laptop, I’m not sure if I have a choice on my personal laptop as to how One Drive works.   Just a little flustered about changing how I do things and being able to find my files.

 

Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager - Sales Enablement

Key Equipment Finance & Key Institutional Bank

720-304-1060

 

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.

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Question for those using One Drive at home

Van Lant, Robin
 

Hi All,

Microsoft keeps prompting me to think about using One Drive on my home laptop.  We just started using it at work.   Can someone explain to me if One Drive is like DropBox in that I can store my files on my hard drive and choose which files to move to One Drive.  Or, if I enable One Drive, will all my files be transitioned to One Drive and I’ll have to flag which ones I want to  keep offline copies of?  The latter is how we do it at work, but since I didn’t set it up on my work laptop, I’m not sure if I have a choice on my personal laptop as to how One Drive works.   Just a little flustered about changing how I do things and being able to find my files.

 

Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager - Sales Enablement

Key Equipment Finance & Key Institutional Bank

720-304-1060

 

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.

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Re: Creating a Facebook Business Page with JAWS

Vaughn Brown
 

Hello,

You can start creating your business page by going to create page or
start new page. As you go through the steps you should see a drop-down
menu to select the tpe of page you want.

I am going by memory but I think this is how you start. The rest
should be self explainatory -- name of business, contact information,
hours of operation etc.

Warmly,

Vaughn

On 7/15/20, Debbie April Yuille <debbiey1982@...> wrote:
Hi All



Does anyone know of a way to create a business page on Face Book that works
with JAWS? If so, any tips or advice is much appreciated.



Thanks

Debbie




Re: Windows 10 question

Mario
 

thanks Steve and Bill. I appreciate your answers. right to the point.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Steve Matzura [mailto:number6@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 8:32 PM
Subject: Windows 10 question
From https://insider.windows.com/en-us/articles/were-listening-to-you:


As many of you know, the feature updates for Windows 10 occur twice a
year. A feature update includes upgrading Windows to the latest version
with enhanced features, security improvements, and more. A feature
update is different from the quality updates that are release on Patch
Tuesday. Quality updates are mostly security fixes and are installed
after one reboot, whereas feature updates are installed in steps that
require more than one reboot to complete.

There are four phases in a feature update installation. Online phases
occur while the device is being used and the operating system is
running, which means tasks are happening in the background without
disrupting you. Offline phases on the other hand can disrupt you, since
the device can’t be used. For the Creators Update in April 2017, the
average offline time for a user was about 82 minutes.

On 7/14/2020 7:28 PM, Mario wrote:
what is the difference between feature updates and quality updates?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:@britechguy]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 5:37 PM
Subject: Windows 10 question
On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 05:19 PM, Mario wrote:

    isn't it a bit redundant?

At this point in time, and with the changes to how Feature Updates are
applied, the answer to that is, "Yes."

But, if one wishes to postpone other Windows Updates (and I think that
critical updates are never able to be delayed) one can use those
settings.  The Pause for 7 days is just the default pause.  It says
right beneath if you wish to have a longer period then use the advanced
features to set the time span (up to 35 days).

In advanced settings you also have the option to postpone Feature
Updates from even being presented for up to 1 year (365 days) and
quality updates from being downloaded and applied for up to a month (30
days).




.

Re: clock question

Dave Durber
 

Tapp the Windows Key, then type: Date, followed by ENTER.

If you or, someone else decide to change the lythium backup battery, do not remove the power cable, when the old lythium battery is removed, because, if you do remove the power cable with no backup battery inserted, all the bios settings will be lost.

HTH

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Madison Martin" <maddymartin@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: clock question


I can't find date and time in the control panel...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: July 14, 2020 2:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: clock question

press the windows key and go to the search box and type in control panel. then go to date and time. go to the internet settings and set it to get the time from the server.


-----Original Message-----
From: Madison Martin
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: clock question

How do I get to Windows settings?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: July 14, 2020 2:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: clock question

You can go to the windows settings, date and time settings.
If you have automatically adjust the time then as someone said, your battery may be going out because it shouldn't slow down.
You can get into those settings and adjust it manually, but I just leave mine so it syncs with the internet.
I also find it is easier to cope with settings if I put Jaws in Speech on Demand and launch Narrator.

HTH,


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself," and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I've never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: clock question

Hi all,
Can someone please tell me how to change the time on my computer so that it stays? It's off by at least 15 minutes which is rather annoying. I'm running Jaws 2018 and Windows 10. Thanks Madison

Re: Windows 10 question

Steve Matzura
 

Maybe not. Maybe it just need someone to have a quick look at its Windows Update screen, or the event logger. I can do some of that for you via a screenreader connection, JAWS Tandem or NVDA Remote, your choice. I can't guarantee a solution, but another pair of ears on a problem is never a bad thing.


On 7/14/2020 10:23 PM, Gary Ketler wrote:

I did mean 2004. I guess I will have to hire someone to fix this problem. The 2004 update is not here. This computer was bought new in 2018.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 7:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 question

 

19-09 update? Don't you mean 20-04?

 

Try this:

 

1. Press Windows Key + Shift +I to open the Windows Settings pane.

2. In the search field, type update and press the Down Arrow Key until you hear "Windows update," then press ENTER.

 

You're now in the dialog where you can do things like check for updates, pause updates for seven days, etc.

 

If you press the "Check for updates" button and your system tells you you're up to date, then there's something either on or in your system that can't be updated to the latest version of Windows 10, or any later versions than your current version for that matter.

 

You also may not be getting updated because during the hours you've chosen for those updates to be applied, your computer is off or offline. You can force the update(s) to happen by tabbing through the updates dialog and finding a list of available updates chosen for your system, then tabbing to the download or "install" button immediately after that list.

 

HTH

 

On 7/14/2020 6:17 PM, Gary Ketler wrote:

I never received the 1909 updates. I guess I’m out of luck.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 3:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 question

 

There's nothing to check. Updates are no longer an option in Windows 10.

That is, you can't say you don't want them. The best you can cd is pause

them for seven days.

 

 

On 7/14/2020 4:23 PM, Madison Martin wrote:

> How do I check to see if automatic updates are inabled?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee

> Sent: July 14, 2020 3:21 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: Windows 10 question

> Hi,

> The fastest way to find out what Windows 10 release you are using is: Start

> menu, type "winver" (without quotes) and press Enter. Listen to the line that

> starts with "Version".

> As for automatic updates: yes, it is advised to keep this enabled. In the past,

> people gave conflicting advice in regards to keeping automatic updates on or

> off, mainly because of concern that you may find yourself upgraded to more

> recent Windows 10 release (termed "feature updates"). Times have changed since

> then - Microsoft will not install new Windows 10 feature updates (releases)

> unless your system (hardware and software) is deemed compatible with the new

> update.

> Although the following will not directly address automatic updates question

> posed, it provides a short overview on what is happening with feature updates

> (source: the Win10 forum I mentioned earlier):

> https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/message/45181?p=,,,100,0,0,0::Created,,featu

> re+updates,100,2,0,74554449

> Cheers,

> Joseph

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin

> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 1:11 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Windows 10 question

> Hi again all,

> Can someone please tell me how to find out what vertion of Windows 10 I'm

> running? Just curious to know that's all. Also, should I have automatic updates

> turned on? Thanks Madison


moderated Re: duck duck go browser

Margaret Thomas
 

Thanks.

Margaret

On 7/15/2020 5:39 AM, fenderwal@... wrote:
Nothing more is needed to use duck duck go.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Margaret
Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: duck duck go browser
Steve, Judy and All:
I dug up my Chrome tutorial and was able to make DuckDuckGo the search
engine.Am I done or do I need to download anything from DuckDuckGo?
Thank you,
Margaret
On 7/14/2020 9:10 PM, Margaret Thomas wrote:
Thanks, Judy.  I saw Steve's post before yours and Google Chrome is my
default browser.  I think Google is currently the search engine, but
must double check.

Margaret


On 7/14/2020 8:37 PM, Judy wrote:
Hi, Duck duck go is not a browser, it is a search engine. I use
google chrome as my browser and duck duck tgo as my search engine.
Judy

-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Margaret Thomas Sent:
Tuesday, July 14, 2020 11:12 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re:
duck duck go browser

Mike and All:

It's been a long morning and I'm probably missing something obvious,
but using the link in the post, I'm not finding a way of downloading
DuckDuckGo as a browser on Windows 10 Pro with JAWS 2020.

Google Chrome is my default browser.  Am I correct that if, I want
to make Chrome more private, I should get the DuckDuckGo Chrome
extension? And it's at the Chrome store?  And I don't need an
extension for DuckDuckGo as a browser?

Any help straightening me out will be greatly appreciated.

Margaret


On 6/24/2020 12:04 PM, Mike B wrote:
Here you go: https://duckduckgo.com/install

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool. I don't know the key to
success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody. -----
Original Message ----- *From:* kevin meyers
<mailto:kman2020@...> *To:* main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2020 6:06
AM *Subject:* duck duck go browser

Hello, Is duck duck go only an extension to a browser? I wasn’t
able to find the duck duck go browser that is just the browser.
Cheers, Kevin





moderated Re: duck duck go browser

fenderwal@...
 

Nothing more is needed to use duck duck go.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Margaret
Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: duck duck go browser

Steve, Judy and All:


I dug up my Chrome tutorial and was able to make DuckDuckGo the search
engine.Am I done or do I need to download anything from DuckDuckGo?


Thank you,


Margaret


On 7/14/2020 9:10 PM, Margaret Thomas wrote:
Thanks, Judy.  I saw Steve's post before yours and Google Chrome is my
default browser.  I think Google is currently the search engine, but
must double check.

Margaret


On 7/14/2020 8:37 PM, Judy wrote:
Hi, Duck duck go is not a browser, it is a search engine. I use
google chrome as my browser and duck duck tgo as my search engine.
Judy

-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Margaret Thomas Sent:
Tuesday, July 14, 2020 11:12 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re:
duck duck go browser

Mike and All:

It's been a long morning and I'm probably missing something obvious,
but using the link in the post, I'm not finding a way of downloading
DuckDuckGo as a browser on Windows 10 Pro with JAWS 2020.

Google Chrome is my default browser.  Am I correct that if, I want
to make Chrome more private, I should get the DuckDuckGo Chrome
extension? And it's at the Chrome store?  And I don't need an
extension for DuckDuckGo as a browser?

Any help straightening me out will be greatly appreciated.

Margaret


On 6/24/2020 12:04 PM, Mike B wrote:
Here you go: https://duckduckgo.com/install

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool. I don't know the key to
success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody. -----
Original Message ----- *From:* kevin meyers
<mailto:kman2020@...> *To:* main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2020 6:06
AM *Subject:* duck duck go browser

Hello, Is duck duck go only an extension to a browser? I wasn’t
able to find the duck duck go browser that is just the browser.
Cheers, Kevin





Creating a Facebook Business Page with JAWS

Debbie April Yuille
 

Hi All

 

Does anyone know of a way to create a business page on Face Book that works with JAWS? If so, any tips or advice is much appreciated.

 

Thanks

Debbie

Creating a Facebook Business Page with JAWS

Debbie April Yuille
 

Hi All

 

Does anyone know of a way to create a business page on Face Book that works with JAWS? If so, any tips or advice is much appreciated.

 

Thanks

Debbie

Re: Any thoughts on getting latest version of Firefox (78.0.1) to work better with older JFW (2018)?

Brian Blair <brianblair@...>
 

On 7/14/2020 2:35 PM, Casey wrote:

Hi where can you get the beta from?

On 7/14/2020 4:52 PM, Brian Blair wrote:

Eric also suggested that if we don't want to wait till version 79 comes out at the end of the month that we could download version 79 beta. I did that and so far, so good. No crashes.


Brian

On 7/14/2020 12:38 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

It's up to 78.0.2, and it's real broke even on JAWS 2020. Doesn't work any better with NVDA or Narrator, so I'm not all-fired sure it's a JAWS problem.


On 7/14/2020 4:23 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

According to Eric Damery and Glen Gordon in today's NFB meeting on JAWS, Mozilla is aware of this issue which was caused inadvertently by them in the Firefox 78.x update and it should be fixed when version 79 is released on the 28th of this month.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Blair
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 12:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Any thoughts on getting latest version of Firefox (78.0.1) to work better with older JFW (2018)?

 

I'm thinking 78.0.2 is crashing less than 78.0.1 but still definitely not good! I'm using Chrome a lot more now, or else using Firefox with NVDA. I tried Jaws 2019 and 2020 and they both crash often with latest Firefox.

On 7/12/2020 8:42 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

78.02 which is now the latest version, also crashes, I mostly use the new Chromium based Edge for the most part.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Any thoughts on getting latest version of Firefox (78.0.1) to work better with older JFW (2018)?

 

It crashed occasionally before 78.0.1 but it was a tolerable level of wankiness. This update is definitely unveiling something nasty. Mozilla apparently had a twitter back and forth trying to reproduce this bug and it was a tricky one to both find and solve. I guess we wait for next update, which with FF…should be soon.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: July 12, 2020 4:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Any thoughts on getting latest version of Firefox (78.0.1) to work better with older JFW (2018)?

 

For what it’s worth, I have JAWS 2020 and I have stopped using Firefox for the most part because it crashes frequently. I spoke with tech support at Freedom Scientific who told me they are well aware of it.

 

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 2:43 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Any thoughts on getting latest version of Firefox (78.0.1) to work better with older JFW (2018)?

 

Hey folks. Yes, I know JAWS 2018 is behind the curve, now, and that an upgrade would be beneficial. However, I’m not in a position to upgrade at this time. At the risk of running a huge struggle to continue using outdated software, I would like to know if anybody has any ideas of configuration settings that might make Firefox less crashy using this screen-reader. I know its’ an issue between interaction with JAWS and firefox and, frankly, always has been since the advent of Quantum. I tested this with nVDA (2019.3 and 2020.1) and it’s a lot less crashy. In fact I have failed to make Firefox crash even once using this other screen-reader. I know some users of JAWS 2020 have reported crashes, too, but I’m unable to test that currently and at a guess, newer versions of JFW should probably work better as well as NVDA. Anyway, since I’m not looking to downgrade firefox and not quite ready to either upgrade or give up JFW for the web browsing experience, in part because it works so nicely with my Focus braille display, just wondering if there are any flags/options I can alter in about:preferences or about:config (firefox’s “hidden” advanced settings page containing literally thousands of configurable options) that might help me have a smoother experience. Right now, since FF updated to 78.0.1 a week or two ago, everything from wikipedia pages to my old wisp’s webmail is crashing tabs. This only happens when jFW is running.

 

NB: I’m aware of other browsers  and use them, so no need to suggest just switching browsers. Thanks!!

 

 

 

-- 
Casey