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moderated Re: Outlook 2016 email replies

Bill White
 

Hi, Amy. Try creating a configuration file in JAWS, by using Insert plus F2, Go to Settings Center while Outlook is open, then create the configuration file, with Quick Settings turned off, and see if this remedies the problem.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Amy Bower
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 5:30 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Cc: Amy S Bower
Subject: Outlook 2016 email replies

 

Hi All – I think I’ve posted this before, but I have never been able to completely resolve it. And the problem is getting worse on my rather new Lenovo P53 laptop. I’m running Windows 10, Jaws 2020, with Outlook 2016 (not 365, but just the stand-alone Office 2016 that my employer provides). I’ve had this problem with all my 4 machines (which include a Dell Latitude, another Lenovo P52, and a Dell Desktop), running Windows 10 with Jaws 2019 or Jaws 2020.

Here is the problem. When I reply to an email using control+r, the reply window opens as it should, but when I start typing, it is quickly obvious that Jaws has dropped into Quick Navigation mode, so that if I type letter T, Jaws goes looking for a table, or the letter P sends it looking for the next paragraph.  If I close that reply, and try again, the problem is gone. I can also hit Jaws key + z and turn off Quick Navigation. Unfortunately, this dropping into Quick Navigation mode doesn’t happen on every reply, and I have not been able to discern any pattern whatsoever on when it will happen and when it won’t. it is driving me crazy! I have to process tons of emails per day, and when I have to constantly back-track to start a reply over again, it wastes time and energy. Not to mention it is totally frustrating!  I just learned recently that alt+r also opens the reply window, and it may be that the problem doesn’t occur then – I haven’t fully tested that. It will be hard for me to use alt+r instead of control+r, but I’ll re-train myself if I have to to avoid this problem. FS says various things – your scripts are corrupted (not so – in my recent Jaws 2020 install, I didn’t merge my settings from Jaws 2019), video drivers need updating (that didn’t help), it all gets better with Outlook 365 (that is months away at my place of employment), that was a problem in earlier versions but not any  more (not true). I’ve scoured the web looking for any mention of this and find nothing. How can that be? What is so different about my installation that this problem plagues me but no one else? Thanks for any advice you can provide.

-Amy B.


moderated Re: Outlook 2016 email replies

Mike B
 

Hi Amy,
 
I don't use Outlook 2016, I run Outlook Express, so this is just something to try if you have the following setting in Outlook2016.  While in Outlook open Jaws quick settings, Insert + V.  Down arrow to General Mail Settings and see if you have this setting,
Messages automatically read, if it's checked try unchecking it, then tab to and press enter on the Okay button to see if this'll help.
 
Also while in Outlook, make sure the window is maximized, Windows key + up arrow, or, Alt + spacebar, let up and press the letter, X.
 
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

----- Original Message -----
From: Amy Bower
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 5:29 PM
Subject: Outlook 2016 email replies

Hi All – I think I’ve posted this before, but I have never been able to completely resolve it. And the problem is getting worse on my rather new Lenovo P53 laptop. I’m running Windows 10, Jaws 2020, with Outlook 2016 (not 365, but just the stand-alone Office 2016 that my employer provides). I’ve had this problem with all my 4 machines (which include a Dell Latitude, another Lenovo P52, and a Dell Desktop), running Windows 10 with Jaws 2019 or Jaws 2020.

Here is the problem. When I reply to an email using control+r, the reply window opens as it should, but when I start typing, it is quickly obvious that Jaws has dropped into Quick Navigation mode, so that if I type letter T, Jaws goes looking for a table, or the letter P sends it looking for the next paragraph.  If I close that reply, and try again, the problem is gone. I can also hit Jaws key + z and turn off Quick Navigation. Unfortunately, this dropping into Quick Navigation mode doesn’t happen on every reply, and I have not been able to discern any pattern whatsoever on when it will happen and when it won’t. it is driving me crazy! I have to process tons of emails per day, and when I have to constantly back-track to start a reply over again, it wastes time and energy. Not to mention it is totally frustrating!  I just learned recently that alt+r also opens the reply window, and it may be that the problem doesn’t occur then – I haven’t fully tested that. It will be hard for me to use alt+r instead of control+r, but I’ll re-train myself if I have to to avoid this problem. FS says various things – your scripts are corrupted (not so – in my recent Jaws 2020 install, I didn’t merge my settings from Jaws 2019), video drivers need updating (that didn’t help), it all gets better with Outlook 365 (that is months away at my place of employment), that was a problem in earlier versions but not any  more (not true). I’ve scoured the web looking for any mention of this and find nothing. How can that be? What is so different about my installation that this problem plagues me but no one else? Thanks for any advice you can provide.

-Amy B.


moderated Re: An accessible router

Tyler Wood
 

I have the google wireless nest mesh system which works, most likely, the best of any router I have ever owned, hardware wise

It’s fantastic if you happen to have a mobile device, however they do require the google WiFi app. The app itself provides everything in a fantastic and screen reader friendly area, however, and there isn’t an unlabeled button found.  However if your specific requirement is PC, unfortunately out of luck there, which is odd to me.

 

 

Hope that helps somewhat.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 7:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: An accessible router

 

I am quite partial to the higher-end Netgear routers but also had an Asus one and a Cisco and I don’t think I had a router in the last 10 years which didn’t get accessed via a web interface and where I couldn’t use the interface.

Too bad you guys are I think all in the US, I have a Netgear Nighthawk X6 R8000 triband router which I’d gladly sell for a good price, but shipping would probably be expensive.

I have switched to the Netgear Orbi mesh system both at home and, at my retail store I use the Orbi Pro/business version and this Nighthawk and my Asus RT-AC3200 Tri-Band Gigabit Router for which I paid over $300 Canadian are just sitting on a shelf.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Minor
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 4:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: An accessible router

 

Hi.

 

A month ago I purchased a Netgear combination router and cable modem. You can use your browser of choice to access it. Sounds like you just need a router with WI-FI in it. I’m quite pleased with what I have.

 

Kevin Jilly and Valerie

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 5:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: An accessible router

 

My WIFI router has bit the dust.  Does anyone have any recommendations for a router with an accessible interface with JAWS?


moderated Re: Outlook 2016 email replies

Don Walls
 

Amy, sometimes I can’t type into a reply email immediately and if I use shift tab away to the subject line and then tab back into the text area the problem disappears.
 
Don
 
 

From: Amy Bower
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 5:29 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Cc: Amy S Bower
Subject: Outlook 2016 email replies
 

Hi All – I think I’ve posted this before, but I have never been able to completely resolve it. And the problem is getting worse on my rather new Lenovo P53 laptop. I’m running Windows 10, Jaws 2020, with Outlook 2016 (not 365, but just the stand-alone Office 2016 that my employer provides). I’ve had this problem with all my 4 machines (which include a Dell Latitude, another Lenovo P52, and a Dell Desktop), running Windows 10 with Jaws 2019 or Jaws 2020.

Here is the problem. When I reply to an email using control+r, the reply window opens as it should, but when I start typing, it is quickly obvious that Jaws has dropped into Quick Navigation mode, so that if I type letter T, Jaws goes looking for a table, or the letter P sends it looking for the next paragraph.  If I close that reply, and try again, the problem is gone. I can also hit Jaws key + z and turn off Quick Navigation. Unfortunately, this dropping into Quick Navigation mode doesn’t happen on every reply, and I have not been able to discern any pattern whatsoever on when it will happen and when it won’t. it is driving me crazy! I have to process tons of emails per day, and when I have to constantly back-track to start a reply over again, it wastes time and energy. Not to mention it is totally frustrating!  I just learned recently that alt+r also opens the reply window, and it may be that the problem doesn’t occur then – I haven’t fully tested that. It will be hard for me to use alt+r instead of control+r, but I’ll re-train myself if I have to to avoid this problem. FS says various things – your scripts are corrupted (not so – in my recent Jaws 2020 install, I didn’t merge my settings from Jaws 2019), video drivers need updating (that didn’t help), it all gets better with Outlook 365 (that is months away at my place of employment), that was a problem in earlier versions but not any  more (not true). I’ve scoured the web looking for any mention of this and find nothing. How can that be? What is so different about my installation that this problem plagues me but no one else? Thanks for any advice you can provide.

-Amy B.


moderated Re: An accessible router

Richard Turner
 

Most routers these days use a web interface.
We just bought a Lynksys router and the interface is quite accessible using Jaws.
And, the one issue we ran into was dealt with easily by calling their toll free support line.
I don't remember the model number off hand.


Richard


(Sent from my iPhone SE)

C



On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:



I am quite partial to the higher-end Netgear routers but also had an Asus one and a Cisco and I don’t think I had a router in the last 10 years which didn’t get accessed via a web interface and where I couldn’t use the interface.

Too bad you guys are I think all in the US, I have a Netgear Nighthawk X6 R8000 triband router which I’d gladly sell for a good price, but shipping would probably be expensive.

I have switched to the Netgear Orbi mesh system both at home and, at my retail store I use the Orbi Pro/business version and this Nighthawk and my Asus RT-AC3200 Tri-Band Gigabit Router for which I paid over $300 Canadian are just sitting on a shelf.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Minor
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 4:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: An accessible router

 

Hi.

 

A month ago I purchased a Netgear combination router and cable modem. You can use your browser of choice to access it. Sounds like you just need a router with WI-FI in it. I’m quite pleased with what I have.

 

Kevin Jilly and Valerie

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 5:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: An accessible router

 

My WIFI router has bit the dust.  Does anyone have any recommendations for a router with an accessible interface with JAWS?


moderated Re: An accessible router

 

I am quite partial to the higher-end Netgear routers but also had an Asus one and a Cisco and I don’t think I had a router in the last 10 years which didn’t get accessed via a web interface and where I couldn’t use the interface.

Too bad you guys are I think all in the US, I have a Netgear Nighthawk X6 R8000 triband router which I’d gladly sell for a good price, but shipping would probably be expensive.

I have switched to the Netgear Orbi mesh system both at home and, at my retail store I use the Orbi Pro/business version and this Nighthawk and my Asus RT-AC3200 Tri-Band Gigabit Router for which I paid over $300 Canadian are just sitting on a shelf.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Minor
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 4:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: An accessible router

 

Hi.

 

A month ago I purchased a Netgear combination router and cable modem. You can use your browser of choice to access it. Sounds like you just need a router with WI-FI in it. I’m quite pleased with what I have.

 

Kevin Jilly and Valerie

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 5:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: An accessible router

 

My WIFI router has bit the dust.  Does anyone have any recommendations for a router with an accessible interface with JAWS?


moderated Re: Outlook 2016 email replies

David Griffith
 

                                                Apart from learning a muscle memory of alt r rather than control r, which may be your best bet, the only user action I can think of is to force Outlook to send your emails as plain text only. You should be able to set this up in mail settings  and logically this should preclude jaws from recognising any html elements from which it can attempt to  quick navigate to. Replying or sending mails in plain text would need to be acceptable to your employer’s mail formats I guess.

The other quick way to force a refocus into an edit box is to hit the alt key twice quickly. This may resolve your problem more quickly but is likely to be just as annoying as other actions you are having to take I suspect.

I agree FS should be more helpful, especially as you are in an employment situation  for which Jaws is supposed to be primarily focussed.

 

David Griffith

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amy Bower
Sent: 15 April 2020 01:30
To: jfw@groups.io
Cc: Amy S Bower <abower@...>
Subject: Outlook 2016 email replies

 

Hi All – I think I’ve posted this before, but I have never been able to completely resolve it. And the problem is getting worse on my rather new Lenovo P53 laptop. I’m running Windows 10, Jaws 2020, with Outlook 2016 (not 365, but just the stand-alone Office 2016 that my employer provides). I’ve had this problem with all my 4 machines (which include a Dell Latitude, another Lenovo P52, and a Dell Desktop), running Windows 10 with Jaws 2019 or Jaws 2020.

Here is the problem. When I reply to an email using control+r, the reply window opens as it should, but when I start typing, it is quickly obvious that Jaws has dropped into Quick Navigation mode, so that if I type letter T, Jaws goes looking for a table, or the letter P sends it looking for the next paragraph.  If I close that reply, and try again, the problem is gone. I can also hit Jaws key + z and turn off Quick Navigation. Unfortunately, this dropping into Quick Navigation mode doesn’t happen on every reply, and I have not been able to discern any pattern whatsoever on when it will happen and when it won’t. it is driving me crazy! I have to process tons of emails per day, and when I have to constantly back-track to start a reply over again, it wastes time and energy. Not to mention it is totally frustrating!  I just learned recently that alt+r also opens the reply window, and it may be that the problem doesn’t occur then – I haven’t fully tested that. It will be hard for me to use alt+r instead of control+r, but I’ll re-train myself if I have to to avoid this problem. FS says various things – your scripts are corrupted (not so – in my recent Jaws 2020 install, I didn’t merge my settings from Jaws 2019), video drivers need updating (that didn’t help), it all gets better with Outlook 365 (that is months away at my place of employment), that was a problem in earlier versions but not any  more (not true). I’ve scoured the web looking for any mention of this and find nothing. How can that be? What is so different about my installation that this problem plagues me but no one else? Thanks for any advice you can provide.

-Amy B.


moderated Outlook 2016 email replies

Amy Bower
 

Hi All – I think I’ve posted this before, but I have never been able to completely resolve it. And the problem is getting worse on my rather new Lenovo P53 laptop. I’m running Windows 10, Jaws 2020, with Outlook 2016 (not 365, but just the stand-alone Office 2016 that my employer provides). I’ve had this problem with all my 4 machines (which include a Dell Latitude, another Lenovo P52, and a Dell Desktop), running Windows 10 with Jaws 2019 or Jaws 2020.

Here is the problem. When I reply to an email using control+r, the reply window opens as it should, but when I start typing, it is quickly obvious that Jaws has dropped into Quick Navigation mode, so that if I type letter T, Jaws goes looking for a table, or the letter P sends it looking for the next paragraph.  If I close that reply, and try again, the problem is gone. I can also hit Jaws key + z and turn off Quick Navigation. Unfortunately, this dropping into Quick Navigation mode doesn’t happen on every reply, and I have not been able to discern any pattern whatsoever on when it will happen and when it won’t. it is driving me crazy! I have to process tons of emails per day, and when I have to constantly back-track to start a reply over again, it wastes time and energy. Not to mention it is totally frustrating!  I just learned recently that alt+r also opens the reply window, and it may be that the problem doesn’t occur then – I haven’t fully tested that. It will be hard for me to use alt+r instead of control+r, but I’ll re-train myself if I have to to avoid this problem. FS says various things – your scripts are corrupted (not so – in my recent Jaws 2020 install, I didn’t merge my settings from Jaws 2019), video drivers need updating (that didn’t help), it all gets better with Outlook 365 (that is months away at my place of employment), that was a problem in earlier versions but not any  more (not true). I’ve scoured the web looking for any mention of this and find nothing. How can that be? What is so different about my installation that this problem plagues me but no one else? Thanks for any advice you can provide.

-Amy B.


moderated Re: An accessible router

Kevin Minor
 

Hi.

 

A month ago I purchased a Netgear combination router and cable modem. You can use your browser of choice to access it. Sounds like you just need a router with WI-FI in it. I’m quite pleased with what I have.

 

Kevin Jilly and Valerie

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 5:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: An accessible router

 

My WIFI router has bit the dust.  Does anyone have any recommendations for a router with an accessible interface with JAWS?


moderated Re: An accessible router

netbat66
 

not entirely true.
i don't know how you would find outbefore you buy. but there have been a few routers that use a windows like interface that is mostly mouse driven.
and i don't know if they would work with screen readers.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 4:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: An accessible router

Hi. Routers are accessible through their web interface. Ask the technician who will help you set up your router to give you your router's web address. The address might, for example, be 192.168.2.154, something like that. Then you can access it as you would any web site and set up the router on your own if you need to. Cheers!
On 4/15/2020 5:15 AM, Marty Hutchings wrote:


moderated Re: An accessible router

Glenn / Lenny
 


Some are more accessible via the web interface more than others.
I currently use a Linksys Smart router, and it works best with Internet Explorer.
Even with that, although you can get to the links either with space bar, or enter key, they don't say "link", so you have to hope that you are entering on a link.
Listing links won't expose them as links.
But I am never the less able to configure it.
It is called "smart" because it can prioritize the devices based on type of usage, and you are supposed to drag an item up or down the list of devices, but I have never been able to make this work with a screenreader.
Other than that, I can set it up and save the configuration file and do updates and all the normal stuff with it.
It is both 2.4 and 5 GHZ, and has three antennas, 4 ports, and 2 USB ports.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: An accessible router

Hi.  Routers are accessible through their web interface.  Ask the technician who will help you set up your router to give you your router's web address.  The address might, for example, be 192.168.2.154, something like that.  Then you can access it as you would any web site and set up the router on your own if you need to.  Cheers!
On 4/15/2020 5:15 AM, Marty Hutchings wrote:


moderated Re: An accessible router

Gmail Jonas
 

 

The NETGEAR, Nighthawk R6400 is a nice one I use it and it’s good with

2.4 and 5 GHZ!

https://amzn.to/2Va3jse

And it’s about $ 100, with support for USB!

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 6:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: An accessible router

 

Hi.  Routers are accessible through their web interface.  Ask the technician who will help you set up your router to give you your router's web address.  The address might, for example, be 192.168.2.154, something like that.  Then you can access it as you would any web site and set up the router on your own if you need to.  Cheers!
On 4/15/2020 5:15 AM, Marty Hutchings wrote:


moderated Re: An accessible router

Jaffar Sidek
 

Hi.  Routers are accessible through their web interface.  Ask the technician who will help you set up your router to give you your router's web address.  The address might, for example, be 192.168.2.154, something like that.  Then you can access it as you would any web site and set up the router on your own if you need to.  Cheers!
On 4/15/2020 5:15 AM, Marty Hutchings wrote:


moderated Re: An accessible router

David Csercsics
 

If you get any recommendations, ping me as well. Mine hasn't bit the dust just yet, but I don't think it's receiving firmware updates, and for some reason, my wifi has gotten silly. I have an iPhone 8 that drops connections very frequently, and I have to reboot the router daily or it bogs down pretty quick. I'm not sure if the iphone is the problem or the router, because other devices work fine on the thing, but it's puzzling.


moderated An accessible router

Marty Hutchings
 

My WIFI router has bit the dust.  Does anyone have any recommendations for a router with an accessible interface with JAWS?


moderated Re: Keyboard Shortcut for Navigating Word Templates

 

Robbie,

            You're quite welcome.  And I don't know exactly what you tweaked on your end but that last reply was top-posted, as is the typical convention.  Thanks.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman


moderated Re: Keyboard Shortcut for Navigating Word Templates

Robbie Curtis
 

Hi Brian,


My apologies as I have just now seen the documents you provided. Thanks for your help in this matter.


Have a great day!

On 4/13/2020 9:50 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Robbie,

           As I have previously mentioned, F11 will only work in an MS-Word form document that has no editing restriction imposed.  A well designed form should have editing restriction imposed to allow only filling out the form as its initial state.  The three templates I supplied are an example of that.
 
            If you have either the blank templates you're using, or links to same I'll be happy to take a look at them, but I am not going to even try to guess as to what the designer may or may not have done with regard to the design of that template or restricting editing.

            As an aside, I do not know why, but all of your replies are embedding your message immediately after a quotation of the message heading from my prior message and before the message body of my prior message.  This is very unusual since it has happened more than once.  Top-posting is generally the best way to respond unless you are making a point by point response or are maintaining a line from a previous message for context.  Neither seems to have been the case here.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman

-- 
Robbie J. Curtis
essence64@...
"Stay in peace, not pieces!"

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moderated Re: Walmart.com and Jaws

Marie
 

Truer words were never spoken. The Find command in Jaws has been my go-to option so many, many times.
 
Marie
 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 9:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Walmart.com and Jaws
 
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:36 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Back in the early days, JFW did not have anything other than the find command and tabbing.
I came on the scene with either JAWS 9 or 10, so I'm not going back to the very earliest days in my comments.  I'm pretty much within the last decade, give or take a year or two.

But the find command is the screen reader users best friend!
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman


moderated Re: Walmart.com and Jaws

Pat Byrne
 

Brian,
Well stated. Thanks.
Pat ByrneAt 11:30 PM 4/13/2020, you wrote:

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:04 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
What a sighted person sees has little to do with what we access.

That is a very, very ill-informed statement. And this is coming from a fully sighted person who has very often found that "the answer" relies on what I see rather than trying to struggle with a screen reader for hours.Any screen reader user, by definition, suffers from a degree of "information blackout." You cannot see the screen itself, and as you pointed out, how the screen reader traverses a screen has to do with how it is designed in HTML, which is often hugely convoluted compared to what someone who can see sees can take in within a second of the screen coming up. For some particularly badly coded pages, what is front and center visually (which, after all, is what the main media of a webpage is) is buried in some convoluted HTML, coupled with less than stellar labeling at times, making it a chore to find with a screen reader if you don't already know it's there.Sighted people are seeing everything you can likely ever want to access. What they don't know is exactly how you go about that (with some rare exceptions, and I count myself among those). That's up to you, but if someone who sees tells you that such and such a thing is visible on the screen, you can likely find it much more quickly simply because you've had confirmation it's there and you should know how to seek it out with a screen reader.And the fact that someone sighted tells you how the page is laid out visually really doesn't matter, as you know that how it's laid out visually can be at huge variance with how the elements are arranged for traversal via screen reader. But you know they're there without having to plow through who knows how much detritus to find them, if you ever do. And that's not an insult to screen reader users, it's just a fact that some web page designs that are great for their primary demographic, the sighted, are very, very crappy for screen reader users even if every blessed thing on the page is accessible. I often am shocked at how a screen reader traverses elements in a page, and that's not the fault of the screen reader, but of the page designer. --

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Â

Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

       ~ Joshua Liebman


moderated Re: Using Microsoft Teams with JAWS + additional questions

Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
 

From what I understand, Teams is Microsoft's replacement for Skype for Business.

My company also uses Slack heavily. I am managing with it, but am still not very proficient with certain aspects of it.

Pam


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From: main@jfw.groups.io [main@jfw.groups.io] on behalf of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io [Robin_Van_Lant=Key.com@groups.io]
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 6:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Microsoft Teams with JAWS + additional questions

1. Zoom is a web conference application for meetings. The company is Zoom.
2. Teams is a Microsoft application for collaboration. I know it’s used within organizations for meetings and also general collaboration for ongoing projects. I suspect it’s Microsoft’s version of Zoom, with additional features, but I’m not fully sure.
3. Google offers Hangouts, which allows for video meetings. I just started using this and it seems more like a way to have a conversation with multiple people. I don’t think of it as a tool businesses would use to present a slideshow, but I’m still new. Maybe the Meet.Google.com thing you are talking about is more for that. Hangouts and the link you shared are both associated with Google, not Microsoft or Zoom. When I go to the link you sent, it appears that Google Meet is Google’s version of Zoom. I haven’t seen any talk on this list about this particular Google product, but others definitely talk about Google docs, Chrome, Hangouts and such, so I’m optimistic that Google Meet would be accessible. If you run into trouble with it and if you have a smart phone, get the Be My Eyes app and, from within that app, you can get a direct link to someone in Google Accessibility for help getting oriented to the new tool.

We all empathize. This is a crazy learning curve we are all on to adjust to working remotely.
Robin


Teams is Microsoft’s collaboration program.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marilyn Bland
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 9:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Microsoft Teams with JAWS + additional questions

Good morning all,

I’m feeling overwhelmed by all the on-line things that are now being used. My employer is using Meet.google.com for meetings and collaboration. I know this is different from Zoom, but is it also different fromTeams? Are there others on the list using Google Meets? Is Hangouts the same as any of these? Please clarify and give me some good places to learn how to use Google Meets.

Many thanks.

Marilyn


From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Delaunay Christophe
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 9:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Using Microsoft Teams with JAWS

Hi Sameer,

I’m hardly using Teams for three weeks now on a laptop running Windows 10 with jaws 2020 latest update because this is my employer’s recommended tool for remote working.

This app is globally accessible except for defining a “contact group” in the “Chat” tab, “Contacts” subtab.

In order to learn how to use it, I started from this web page:

https://support.office.com/en-us/article/basic-tasks-using-a-screen-reader-with-microsoft-teams-538a8741-f21b-4b04-b575-9df70ed4105d#picktab=windows<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__support.office.com_en-2Dus_article_basic-2Dtasks-2Dusing-2Da-2Dscreen-2Dreader-2Dwith-2Dmicrosoft-2Dteams-2D538a8741-2Df21b-2D4b04-2Db575-2D9df70ed4105d-23picktab-3Dwindows%26d%3DDwMFAg%26c%3DY1KkN7JyAPjrAJTUCirS0fy9vQY8xn4_Oh4EEEpbXx4%26r%3D-1nxI1tr9hKnIWNyLOCPlqI9Rh0Aj118fOCkSudZWTI%26m%3Dg2qs2t4I90ztiVuGTfRIcQsY0EMrH2VW2m-XR-Vx-CE%26s%3DV7WFbsHNZddVW3IZYBx75FcWXvXxEPxRimvJnOFZeHg%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Cpamela.a.ekstrand.-nd%40disney.com%7Ca60bf2f99f0f4fef89a308d7dffd5f7f%7C56b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e913c6%7C1%7C0%7C637224151640734768&sdata=VRbVGPWwOyQZxlA8php6TNsv1cJrB7d1hs9lvg8p0ME%3D&reserved=0>

I did not install any Jaws script yet but if there are some, I’d also like to know.

Hope this helps. Have a nice day. Chris D

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Sameer via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 4:36 PM
To: JFW Group <main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>>
Subject: Using Microsoft Teams with JAWS

Dear List Friends,

Is Microsoft Teams accessible with JAWS or do we need to install additional JAWS scrips to make it accessible? If we need to install additional JAWS scrips, kindly inform me where I can get these scrips.

Also, request you to kindly point me to a source for keystrokes to be used with Microsoft Teams. I am using the latest version of JAWS 2020 on a Windows 10 machine.

Thanking all in advance for any & all assistance.

Regards
Mr. Sameer Latey
Mumbai, India
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