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moderated Re: Please help--MS update question

Richard Turner
 

To be thorough, the minus key is the top right key on the numpad and after you are done, press the plus key to go back to the standard PC/virtual cursor.

 

 

 

Richard

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There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 10:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please help--MS update question

 

You press the minus key on the numpad and it will say Jaws scan, then arrow down and you will hear all that you need line by line.

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 10:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please help--MS update question

 

Shirley,

         You're certainly not alone, as that's the latest cumulative update that's in the process of rolling out.  I cannot remember the JAWS terminology, and this may be it, but you may need to virtualize the Update History screen in order to have the line after the one that is the link for a given update read.  It will tell you if the update was successful, or failed, and give the date or date/time (respectively, I think, it's been a while since I've had a failure).

          I'm not running JAWS at the moment, so I can't say much of anything with regard to this cumulative update and JAWS other than there seems to be no widespread chatter about JAWS issues and this cumulative update.  It's been rolling out for a couple of days now and generally if something consistently breaks as a result you tend to start hearing about that pretty promptly.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Please help--MS update question

Richard Turner
 

You press the minus key on the numpad and it will say Jaws scan, then arrow down and you will hear all that you need line by line.

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 10:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please help--MS update question

 

Shirley,

         You're certainly not alone, as that's the latest cumulative update that's in the process of rolling out.  I cannot remember the JAWS terminology, and this may be it, but you may need to virtualize the Update History screen in order to have the line after the one that is the link for a given update read.  It will tell you if the update was successful, or failed, and give the date or date/time (respectively, I think, it's been a while since I've had a failure).

          I'm not running JAWS at the moment, so I can't say much of anything with regard to this cumulative update and JAWS other than there seems to be no widespread chatter about JAWS issues and this cumulative update.  It's been rolling out for a couple of days now and generally if something consistently breaks as a result you tend to start hearing about that pretty promptly.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Please help--MS update question

 

Shirley,

         You're certainly not alone, as that's the latest cumulative update that's in the process of rolling out.  I cannot remember the JAWS terminology, and this may be it, but you may need to virtualize the Update History screen in order to have the line after the one that is the link for a given update read.  It will tell you if the update was successful, or failed, and give the date or date/time (respectively, I think, it's been a while since I've had a failure).

          I'm not running JAWS at the moment, so I can't say much of anything with regard to this cumulative update and JAWS other than there seems to be no widespread chatter about JAWS issues and this cumulative update.  It's been rolling out for a couple of days now and generally if something consistently breaks as a result you tend to start hearing about that pretty promptly.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Please help--MS update question

Shirley Tracy
 

Brian, Here’s what I found:

 

December 8, 2020—KB4592438 (OS Builds 19041.685 and 19042.685)

Applies to: Windows 10, version 2004, all editionsWindows Server version 2004Windows 10, version 20H2, all editions More

 

 

It didn’t say the update was or was not successful. I assume it was.

 

Am I the only one who got this one?

Shirley Tracy

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please help--MS update question

 

And if things don't settle down, it will be important to know what update(s) were applied.  Presuming this is Windows 10, you can determine that in Settings, Update & Security, Windows Update Pane, using the View Update History button.  The most likely pertinent candidates are either under Feature Updates (less likely, but possible) or Quality Updates.  The "Successfully installed on" line will give you the respective dates.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide

 


moderated Re: Please help--MS update question

Mike B.
 


Hi Shirley,
 
What do you mean when you say you're having problems reading words and lines?
 
For the selected and unselected being spoken, try the following:
1. Press, Insert + 6, on the number row above the main keyboard to open the Settings Center, now press, control, shift , + D, to open the Settings Center Default All Applications.
 
2. Down arrow to, Text Processing closed, and right arrow to open.
 
3. Down arrow to, General closed, and right arrow to open.
 
4. Down arrow to, List Item, and here you want to press the spacebar to toggle through your options.  When you hear Jaws report, Unselected, stop.
 
5. Tab to, Apply, press the spacebar, tab to, Okay, press enter to save and close.

 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mario
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: Please help--MS update question

was the computer restarted? give it a little time to settle down after
it comes back. after the update, my computer was a little groggy.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Shirley Tracy [mailto:shirleytracy16@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, December 10, 2020, 11:50 AM
Subject: Please help--MS update question
This morning, there was a notice of a Windows update. I did’t think
much about it…until I let it update. Now, things aren’t working the
same. Does anyone have a problem reading lines or words? And how do I
stop JAWS from saying “select” and “not selected” for nearly everything?

Shirley Tracy


.






moderated Re: Please help--MS update question

Shirley Tracy
 

Thanks everyone who responded. I Did give my computer a chance to settle down. I even rebooted. But I’m having trouble reading lines and words. And I’m tired of hearing “select.” I’m taking your advice, Brian, and will check the kind of update for my Windows 10. Perhaps I should not have allowed the update until I knew more. I’ll keep you posted.

 

Thanks again.

 

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please help--MS update question

 

And if things don't settle down, it will be important to know what update(s) were applied.  Presuming this is Windows 10, you can determine that in Settings, Update & Security, Windows Update Pane, using the View Update History button.  The most likely pertinent candidates are either under Feature Updates (less likely, but possible) or Quality Updates.  The "Successfully installed on" line will give you the respective dates.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide

 


moderated Re: 2nd sound card for Jaws, retaining settings

Hank William Merchant
 

Good afternoon Ratshtron,

Can you please tell me what is the exact brand name of this USB sound adapter that you have had success with in setting up jaws to go through, so I can do an exact search on amazon to get one of these USB sound adapters to put my jaws through? This USB sound adapter must have its own volume knob? and if you don't mind me asking, what was the price of this USB sound adapter? Any help you can maybe give me on this would be muchly appreciated! Thanks muchly in advance for any possible help with this.







Kindest regards,
Hank

-----Original Message-----
From: ratshtron
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 5:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: 2nd sound card for Jaws, retaining settings

I use a usb sound adaptor and have a wireless
headset base plugged in to it and I have been
using this setup for over two years. once you
have your setup installed, press insert plus j
then down arrow to utilities and then to sound
cards and press enter.select the device you wish
to use with JAWS and press enter. the selection should stay once selected.


Legend has it that on Wednesday 12/9/2020 12:37 PM, George Gray said:
----------------------------------------
How, exactly, did you accomplish this? I tried it a while back and
was totally unsuccessful, but would like to try again.

Thanks.

On 12/9/20, Norma A. Boge <naboge@mchsi.com> wrote:
Hi group,

My selections for using Jaws with a second sound card seem to be staying
where I set them. Thanks to all for the suggestions.

Best,
Norma


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pat Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 2:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: 2nd sound card for Jaws, retaining settings

Norma,
I am using a similar setup to yours. Mine was a bit unstable at first but,
cross my fingers, it has been stable for a couple of years.
On the other hand, we tried a separarte USB
card in my wife's desktop and it
never functioned successfully.
There are too many variables to get a handle on.
Good luck.
Pat ByrneAt 09:07 PM 12/7/2020, you wrote:

Hi group,



I hope everyone is doing well. I have my Jaws
2020 going through a USB sound card. I have all other sounds going
through my default sound card to external speakers. I am running into
times when Jaws gets set back to the default sound card and the system
sounds come through my headphones. Or all sounds come through the
default card (external speakers) Â or through the headphones. Or Jaws
goes through the default card and the system sounds through my
headphones.

How can I get Jaws and Windows 10 to retain my settings? I need to keep
this setup for hosting Zoom meetings.

I have downloaded System Volume View but haven’t ¢t installed it yet.
Would working with this program to set profiles for different
configurations be easier than working with the Win 10 settings?



Thanks for reading,

Norma












--
HAVE A MAGNIFICENT DAY

GEORGE BURRELL GRAY

Los Cerros
Sosua
REPUBLICA DOMINICANA


----------------------------------------


moderated Re: Please help--MS update question

 

And if things don't settle down, it will be important to know what update(s) were applied.  Presuming this is Windows 10, you can determine that in Settings, Update & Security, Windows Update Pane, using the View Update History button.  The most likely pertinent candidates are either under Feature Updates (less likely, but possible) or Quality Updates.  The "Successfully installed on" line will give you the respective dates.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Please help--MS update question

Mario
 

was the computer restarted? give it a little time to settle down after it comes back. after the update, my computer was a little groggy.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Shirley Tracy [mailto:shirleytracy16@gmail.com]
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, December 10, 2020, 11:50 AM
Subject: Please help--MS update question
This morning, there was a notice of a Windows update. I did’t think
much about it…until I let it update. Now, things aren’t working the
same. Does anyone have a problem reading lines or words? And how do I
stop JAWS from saying “select” and “not selected” for nearly everything?

Shirley Tracy


.


moderated Re: Converting from .oga format to mp3.

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Tim. You do the conversion on the website, and there is no need to
create a user ID.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 5:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Converting from .oga format to mp3.

Hello Bill,

Thank you very much! I went to the web page, which as you know is very
dense and full of the various options. I did get down to find where I will
enter the files to convert, at least that is what seemed to be the approach.
Before I mess up, could you tell me if I do the conversion on the web site,
or do I download the application and process on my computer? Also, do I
need to create a user ID before using the conversion tool?

Tim Ford



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 12:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Converting from .oga format to mp3.

Hi, Tim. I will give you a link to convert .oga to .mp3 below. I like this
conversion site better than the one provided by Sieghard, because you can
convert a few more files per day without a paid plan, and without reaching
your maximum number of files per day, before you reach your limit.

https://convertio.co/oga-mp3

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 11:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Converting from .oga format to mp3.

Hello All,

Does anyone know a JAWS friendly way to convert a music file from the .oga
format to .mp3?

Tim Ford


moderated Please help--MS update question

Shirley Tracy
 

This morning, there was a notice of a Windows update. I didn’t think much about it…until I let it update. Now, things aren’t working the same. Does anyone have a problem reading lines or words? And how do I stop JAWS from saying “select” and “not selected” for nearly everything?

 

 

Shirley Tracy

 


moderated Re: Converting from .oga format to mp3.

Tim Ford
 

Hello Bill,

Thank you very much! I went to the web page, which as you know is very
dense and full of the various options. I did get down to find where I will
enter the files to convert, at least that is what seemed to be the approach.
Before I mess up, could you tell me if I do the conversion on the web site,
or do I download the application and process on my computer? Also, do I
need to create a user ID before using the conversion tool?

Tim Ford

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 12:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Converting from .oga format to mp3.

Hi, Tim. I will give you a link to convert .oga to .mp3 below. I like this
conversion site better than the one provided by Sieghard, because you can
convert a few more files per day without a paid plan, and without reaching
your maximum number of files per day, before you reach your limit.

https://convertio.co/oga-mp3

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 11:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Converting from .oga format to mp3.

Hello All,

Does anyone know a JAWS friendly way to convert a music file from the .oga
format to .mp3?

Tim Ford


moderated An interesting anomaly with screenreading software and Norton

Arkadiusz Świętnicki <nuno69a@...>
 

Hi,
I have installed Norton 360 on my old computer, just for the fun of
breaking the system. I found out that the software reads with JAWS, but
there is no way to interact with the controls! Pressing enter, trying to
click with the JAWS cursor or using the Touch cursor have no effect.
With Zhengdu, which is my main screenreader now I have a completely
different problem.
The Norton software is not read at all, but when I blindly press TAB and
ENTER, I seem to open various windows and interfaces. I have read on
their support site that I can use
icacls jfw.exe /setintegritylevel M
command to make the software accessible, but even though the permissions
got set, the problem still persists. Is there anything I can do to it?


Re: Jaws and Google Groups

Rick Miller
 

I am wondering the same thing.

 

 

 

Rick Miller

 

From: Poppa Bear [mailto:heavens4real@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 9:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws and Google Groups

 

Hello, what is the low down on JAWS and Google Groups? We are considering using it at my center for a group for instructors, but I am thinking that it may be a little hassle right off of the bat.


moderated Re: Office 365

tina sohl
 

Thanks Brian.

On 12/9/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 06:57 PM, Tony Sohl wrote:


Hi how do you get rid of the ribbons if you don't want them? Is this in
settings?
-
You don't, at least not literally.   The Virtual Ribbon is a JAWS feature
and turning it on or off is done in JAWS settings.  The virtual ribbon acts
as a mask or skin for the actual ribbons used by Windows or application
programs, but they are still there because they have been the standard user
interface under Windows for many years now.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

*One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the
shore for a very long time.*

~ André Gide






moderated Re: Office 365

tina sohl
 

Thannks Bill. We appreciate it.

On 12/9/20, Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com> wrote:
Hi, Tony.As Brian just wrote, you don't actually get rid of the ribbons.
Instead, you change them into something that approaches the feel of a
classic menu. To do this,

1. Open Word.
2. Press JAWS key plus V to enter Quick Settings.
3. In the search box which appears, type virtual
4. Arrow down, and if you see something like,

Virtual Ribbon Menu not checked

5. Check this box with the Space Bar.
6. TAB to the OK button, and press Space or ENTER.

Now, the ribbons will appear different, and according to some people's
thinking, will be easier to use, although I don't personally think this to
be true.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Sohl
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 3:58 PM
To: support@serotek.com; main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 365

Hi how do you get rid of the ribbons if you don't want them? Is this in
settings?

Thanks for all the help you have given us.

One thing we sent out a christmas newsletter that we do every year and
my father in law just got his copy and he told me it rtained the
formatting structure.

Is that new?

--
Sent from my Windows 10 HP














moderated Re: Office 365

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Tony.As Brian just wrote, you don't actually get rid of the ribbons.
Instead, you change them into something that approaches the feel of a
classic menu. To do this,

1. Open Word.
2. Press JAWS key plus V to enter Quick Settings.
3. In the search box which appears, type virtual
4. Arrow down, and if you see something like,

Virtual Ribbon Menu not checked

5. Check this box with the Space Bar.
6. TAB to the OK button, and press Space or ENTER.

Now, the ribbons will appear different, and according to some people's
thinking, will be easier to use, although I don't personally think this to
be true.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Sohl
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 3:58 PM
To: support@serotek.com; main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 365

Hi how do you get rid of the ribbons if you don't want them? Is this in
settings?

Thanks for all the help you have given us.

One thing we sent out a christmas newsletter that we do every year and
my father in law just got his copy and he told me it rtained the
formatting structure.

Is that new?

--
Sent from my Windows 10 HP


moderated Re: Office 365

 

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 06:57 PM, Tony Sohl wrote:
Hi how do you get rid of the ribbons if you don't want them? Is this in settings?
-
You don't, at least not literally.   The Virtual Ribbon is a JAWS feature and turning it on or off is done in JAWS settings.  The virtual ribbon acts as a mask or skin for the actual ribbons used by Windows or application programs, but they are still there because they have been the standard user interface under Windows for many years now.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Office 365

Tony Sohl
 

Hi how do you get rid of the ribbons if you don't want them? Is this in settings?

Thanks for all the help you have given us.

One thing we sent out a christmas newsletter that we do every year and my father in law just got his copy and he told me it rtained the formatting structure.

Is that new?

--
Sent from my Windows 10 HP


moderated Re: 2nd sound card for Jaws, retaining settings

David Diamond
 

That's exactly the way I did it with a 3 channel mixer I got from Amazon, it works great. I can hear the Zoom conference yet hear Jaws through my hearing aids, if I want. Sometimes I don't want to hear who left or join the meeting.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: December 9, 2020 1:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: 2nd sound card for Jaws, retaining settings

I use a usb sound adaptor and have a wireless headset base plugged in to it
and I have been using this setup for over two years. once you have your setup
installed, press insert plus j then down arrow to utilities and then to sound
cards and press enter.select the device you wish to use with JAWS and press
enter. the selection should stay once selected.


Legend has it that on Wednesday 12/9/2020 12:37 PM, George Gray said:
----------------------------------------
>How, exactly, did you accomplish this? I tried it a while back and was
>totally unsuccessful, but would like to try again.
>
>Thanks.
>
>On 12/9/20, Norma A. Boge <naboge@mchsi.com> wrote:
> > Hi group,
> >
> > My selections for using Jaws with a second sound card seem to be
> > staying where I set them. Thanks to all for the suggestions.
> >
> > Best,
> > Norma
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pat Byrne
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 2:47 PM
> > To: main@jfw.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: 2nd sound card for Jaws, retaining settings
> >
> > Norma,
> > I am using a similar setup to yours. Mine was a bit unstable at
> > first but, cross my fingers, it has been stable for a couple of years.
> > On the other hand, we tried a separarte USB
> card in my wife's desktop and it
> > never functioned successfully.
> > There are too many variables to get a handle on.
> > Good luck.
> > Pat ByrneAt 09:07 PM 12/7/2020, you wrote:
> >
> >>Hi group,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>I hope everyone is doing well. I have my Jaws
> >>2020 going through a USB sound card. I have all other sounds going
> >>through my default sound card to external speakers. I am running
> >>into times when Jaws gets set back to the default sound card and the
> >>system sounds come through my headphones. Or all sounds come
through
> >>the default card (external speakers) Â or through the headphones.
> >>Or Jaws goes through the default card and the system sounds through
> >>my headphones.
> >>
> >>How can I get Jaws and Windows 10 to retain my settings? I need to
> >>keep this setup for hosting Zoom meetings.
> >>
> >>I have downloaded System Volume View but haven’t ¢t installed it
yet.
> >>Would working with this program to set profiles for different
> >>configurations be easier than working with the Win 10 settings?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Thanks for reading,
> >>
> >>Norma
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>--
>HAVE A MAGNIFICENT DAY
>
>GEORGE BURRELL GRAY
>
>Los Cerros
>Sosua
>REPUBLICA DOMINICANA
>
>
>
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