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moderated Advice reading, navigating in, and writing in complex Word files please?

Zel Iscel
 

Hello all,

 

I have big documents with tables to write in and checkboxes to tick. When I’m working in these files, Jaws really slows down and often crashes.

 

It doesn’t matter what computer I use, I still have the same problem. I have an HP Pro with Intel Core i7 8650U, 8GB DDR4-RAM, 512GB SSD, Radeon RX540 2GB Graphics, 14" Full HD Display,

 

I’m using Jaws 19.

 

Does anyone else experience this?

If so, how do you get around it?

If not, is this a problem with my Jaws or computer specs?

 

I look forward to hearing from you and take this opportunity to wish you all a good weekend.

 

Warm regards

Zel

 

 

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Zel Iscel

Disability Specialist

Inclusive World

Mobile: 0413813885

Email: zel@...

 


moderated List Rules - Thu, 04/01/2021 #cal-notice

main@jfw.groups.io Calendar <noreply@...>
 

List Rules

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moderated Re: Question regarding how too do a check for outlook updates with windows 10.

 

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 03:17 PM, Albert Cutolo wrote:
Does anyone  have step by step instructions, on how too do a check for updates for outlook with office 365  with windows 10? 
-
As an aside, this should not be necessary for Office 365, as it should be doing regular, cyclic checks for updates on its own.  It's "Office as a Service" much like Windows 10 is Windows as a Service.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: Accessible investment firm

Kane Brolin
 

Thank you, Paul, for your keen insights on Vanguard. Even though they
compete against me professionally, I've always respected Vanguard as a
solid company that tries to treat their clients right. They made a
big deal of keeping expenses low long before most other investment
firms were even thinking about it. I'm glad to know Vanguard executed
their customer-centered focus by putting in practice a learned
approach to accessibility.

OK, first some truth in advertising; I am in the financial planning
and money management business. So I have tech preferences and
regulations for what I do that retail investors do not have. Over the
last few years, I have used in my business a tech platform called
Wealthscape which is very serviceable for trading investments and
moving cash. I don't think those outside the industry would have
access to the Wealthscape brand, but my point is that it is developed
by Fidelity. So to some extent I use Fidelity-branded securities
trading platforms on a daily basis and have found this one to be
fairly accessible. It's not perfect, but functionality has gotten
appreciably better with JAWS 2021 and Windows 10.

My other positive Fidelity experience came 10-15 years ago, when two
different clients allowed me to serve as a third-party agent so I had
the authority to adjust their 401(k) plan, which Fidelity had official
custody of. I had no problem reallocating mutual fund positions, or
even buying stocks, on my clients' behalf using the Fidelity platform,
even though Fidelity was not native to any other part of my day-to-day
work. My point is that it felt very natural to use that particular
version of Fidelity's retail platform back in the 2005-2010 period, as
it took me no time at all to train myself on where to find things on
the screen, etc.

Take my observations for what they are worth. I have no idea how good
the Fidelity interface is in 2021 re accessibility.

I will follow this thread with great interest.

Kind regards,

-Kane


moderated Re: Windows 10 & e-mail programs

Madison Martin
 

I use Office 365 and it works grate!!!! It’s simple and easy to use!!  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Pelletier
Sent: March 31, 2021 2:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 & e-mail programs

 

Hi Jerry,

 

From what you have now, I think you’re best bet would be to go with Outlook which will let you import from Outlook Express. I am using it with JAWS 2021 and have been doing this with every JAWS version since Outlook Express and that was years ago.

 

HTH

 

Ron & Danvers

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerry hathaway
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 3:02 PM
To: JFW Listserve <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Windows 10 & e-mail programs

 

I am moving to a new computer which has Windows 10 on it. I am still using my old computer at this time and it has Windows 7, Outlook Express, and Jaws 2021 on it. I need to find a E-mail program that works well with Windows 10, Jaws, and is easy to use. I will want to import my address book from Outlook Express into the new program. Any suggestions will be appriciated.

 

Jerry

 


moderated Re: Windows 10 & e-mail programs

 

I will say this, and say it only once:  It is a gross disservice to any user transitioning to a brand new platform to encourage them to use software that is out of support.  It's just bad practice to use out of support software, period.  And how much you like it is not relevant.

Thunderbird is a wonderful email client, fully accessible and fully in support, that runs fine under Windows 10.  The Windows 10 Mail App is also accessible and more than adequate if you don't have need for what I'll call a "feature rich" email client.

I don't know of a single email program that doesn't have an import/export feature related to contacts.  But in this day and age, if you're transitioning from a client that maintained its contacts strictly locally and within itself, you should establish an account that has IMAP access and to which email, contacts, and calendar can be synchronized across devices and even different email clients.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Accessible investment firm

Paul Filpus
 

Hello Listers,

Some months ago someone posted a question on this list asking of any available JAWS-accessible investment firms. I didn’t reply at the time, but a recent contact with the firm I use prompted me to mention it here. I’m well into my retirement years now, and have used Vanguard ever since it was offered as a 401K plan by my employer many years ago. For a long time I managed my Vanguard assets by myself, but eventually signed up with a Vanguard personal advisor. I informed him that the asset mix page on my web site account was not being spoken by JAWS. He told me to contact Vanguard’s Accessibility Department and state the problem. I did so, they ran JAWS to identify the problem for themselves, and fixed it. I’m very satisfied with Vanguard.

Paul Filpus                          

 


moderated Re: Question regarding how too do a check for outlook updates with windows 10.

Mario
 

oops. I didn't read the complete question regarding steps for Outlook. sorry.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2021, 3:52 PM
Subject: Question regarding how too do a check for outlook updates with windows 10.
press windows+i.
tab once, arrow to and spacebar on Update and security.
tab once and windows update should already be selected, if not, press
spacebar to select it.
from here, just tab until you find a check for updates button.

however, you can create a check for updates shortcut on the desktop

press windows+m to get to the desktop.
press control+space to unselect the item you maybe on.
press the application key or shift+f10.
up arrow to and right arrow on the new submenu.
arrow down to and enter on shortcut.
paste the following as the location to open:

ms-settings:windowsupdate

press enter, type a more descriptive name such as check for windows
updates and press enter.

the advantage here is that the checking is automatic. just wait to find
out if any updates show up.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Albert Cutolo  [mailto:Albertc51@charter.net]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2021, 3:17 PM
Subject: Question regarding how too do a check for outlook updates with
windows 10.
Good afternoon everyone,

Does anyone  have step by step instructions, on how too do a check for
updates for outlook with office 365  with windows 10?

Thanks in advance,

Al








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moderated Re: Question regarding how too do a check for outlook updates with windows 10.

Bill White
 

Hi, Albert. First, open Outlook. Then,

Go to File, then Office Account. Under Product Information, choose Update Options, then Update Now.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Albert Cutolo
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 12:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Question regarding how too do a check for outlook updates with windows 10.

 

Good afternoon everyone, 

 

Does anyone  have step by step instructions, on how too do a check for updates for outlook with office 365  with windows 10? 

 

Thanks in advance, 

 

Al 


moderated Re: Windows 10 & e-mail programs

Gerald Levy
 


Mozilla Thunderbird works well with JAWS and Windows 10 and is free and easy to use.


Gerald



On 3/31/2021 3:02 PM, Jerry hathaway wrote:
I am moving to a new computer which has Windows 10 on it. I am still using my old computer at this time and it has Windows 7, Outlook Express, and Jaws 2021 on it. I need to find a E-mail program that works well with Windows 10, Jaws, and is easy to use. I will want to import my address book from Outlook Express into the new program. Any suggestions will be appriciated.
 
Jerry
 


moderated Re: Question regarding how too do a check for outlook updates with windows 10.

Kevin Minor
 

Hi.

The instructions that were given aren't for Outlook. I can't remember how to do it, but there's something in Outlook itself to check for updates. I'd like that information as well.

Kevin and Jilly

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 3:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding how too do a check for outlook updates with windows 10.

press windows+i.
tab once, arrow to and spacebar on Update and security.
tab once and windows update should already be selected, if not, press spacebar to select it.
from here, just tab until you find a check for updates button.

however, you can create a check for updates shortcut on the desktop

press windows+m to get to the desktop.
press control+space to unselect the item you maybe on.
press the application key or shift+f10.
up arrow to and right arrow on the new submenu.
arrow down to and enter on shortcut.
paste the following as the location to open:

ms-settings:windowsupdate

press enter, type a more descriptive name such as check for windows updates and press enter.

the advantage here is that the checking is automatic. just wait to find out if any updates show up.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Albert Cutolo [mailto:Albertc51@charter.net]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2021, 3:17 PM
Subject: Question regarding how too do a check for outlook updates with
windows 10.
Good afternoon everyone,

Does anyone  have step by step instructions, on how too do a check for
updates for outlook with office 365  with windows 10?

Thanks in advance,

Al


moderated Re: Windows 10 & e-mail programs

Marty Hutchings
 

Wow, how ironic!  I am doing the same thing.  I will wait with you for any suggestions.
 
Love in Christ
Marty
The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
 

Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 2:02 PM
Subject: Windows 10 & e-mail programs
 
I am moving to a new computer which has Windows 10 on it. I am still using my old computer at this time and it has Windows 7, Outlook Express, and Jaws 2021 on it. I need to find a E-mail program that works well with Windows 10, Jaws, and is easy to use. I will want to import my address book from Outlook Express into the new program. Any suggestions will be appriciated.
 
Jerry
 


moderated Re: Question regarding how too do a check for outlook updates with windows 10.

Mario
 

press windows+i.
tab once, arrow to and spacebar on Update and security.
tab once and windows update should already be selected, if not, press spacebar to select it.
from here, just tab until you find a check for updates button.

however, you can create a check for updates shortcut on the desktop

press windows+m to get to the desktop.
press control+space to unselect the item you maybe on.
press the application key or shift+f10.
up arrow to and right arrow on the new submenu.
arrow down to and enter on shortcut.
paste the following as the location to open:

ms-settings:windowsupdate

press enter, type a more descriptive name such as check for windows updates and press enter.

the advantage here is that the checking is automatic. just wait to find out if any updates show up.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Albert Cutolo [mailto:Albertc51@charter.net]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2021, 3:17 PM
Subject: Question regarding how too do a check for outlook updates with windows 10.
Good afternoon everyone,

Does anyone  have step by step instructions, on how too do a check for
updates for outlook with office 365  with windows 10?

Thanks in advance,

Al


moderated Re: Windows 10 & e-mail programs

Mike B.
 

What version of Outlook Express are you currently running?  It's possible you can run the same one on Windows 10 iff it's the one I'm thinking of.
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 12:02 PM
Subject: Windows 10 & e-mail programs

I am moving to a new computer which has Windows 10 on it. I am still using my old computer at this time and it has Windows 7, Outlook Express, and Jaws 2021 on it. I need to find a E-mail program that works well with Windows 10, Jaws, and is easy to use. I will want to import my address book from Outlook Express into the new program. Any suggestions will be appriciated.
 
Jerry
 


moderated Question regarding how too do a check for outlook updates with windows 10.

Albert Cutolo
 

Good afternoon everyone, 

 

Does anyone  have step by step instructions, on how too do a check for updates for outlook with office 365  with windows 10? 

 

Thanks in advance, 

 

Al 


moderated Re: Windows 10 & e-mail programs

Ron Pelletier
 

Hi Jerry,

 

From what you have now, I think you’re best bet would be to go with Outlook which will let you import from Outlook Express. I am using it with JAWS 2021 and have been doing this with every JAWS version since Outlook Express and that was years ago.

 

HTH

 

Ron & Danvers

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerry hathaway
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 3:02 PM
To: JFW Listserve <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Windows 10 & e-mail programs

 

I am moving to a new computer which has Windows 10 on it. I am still using my old computer at this time and it has Windows 7, Outlook Express, and Jaws 2021 on it. I need to find a E-mail program that works well with Windows 10, Jaws, and is easy to use. I will want to import my address book from Outlook Express into the new program. Any suggestions will be appriciated.

 

Jerry

 


moderated Windows 10 & e-mail programs

Jerry hathaway
 

I am moving to a new computer which has Windows 10 on it. I am still using my old computer at this time and it has Windows 7, Outlook Express, and Jaws 2021 on it. I need to find a E-mail program that works well with Windows 10, Jaws, and is easy to use. I will want to import my address book from Outlook Express into the new program. Any suggestions will be appriciated.
 
Jerry
 


moderated Re: Emails groupped together

 

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 01:51 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
but using Jaws with Outlook, I cannot stand the way conversations are done.
-
In what way?  And I mean that as a serious question.  Conversation view can be customized.  If you like how it works on the iPhone I'd be willing to bet that a few settings tweaks specific to conversation arrangement could reproduce it with ease.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: Emails groupped together

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Interesting.

I like the way the iPhone handles threads, but using Jaws with Outlook, I cannot stand the way conversations are done.

If I had to deal with many hundreds of emails a day, I would learn to live with conversations.

But as it is, it is a tool I’ll leave in the toolbox, grin.

 

 

 

Richard

 

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.

 

 

My web site, www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 10:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Emails groupped together

 

I would not recommend turning off conversation view.  But if you find having to hit enter on a conversation to expand it annoying I would tweak the setting for auto-expand conversations to ON, such that when you land on one it will expand by itself.

I also find it really handy, whether using conversation view or not, to have followed these directions for Adding the Next Unread Item Button to Your Messages Tab/Ribbon in Outlook (docx).  Being able to jump from where you are to the next unread item directly speeds things up considerably.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: cursor moves back to top of email

kevin meyers
 

Mike, Thanks very much! That worked!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 11:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: cursor moves back to top of email

 

Hi Kevin & Richard,

 

I don't run Outlook, so this is only something to try to see if it'll take care of what you're wanting.

 

Open the Settings Center while in the application or open the default all applications Settings Center if you want to do this for all applications.

 

 
Down arrow to, Web / HTML / PDFs closed, right arrow to open.

 

 
Down arrow to, Reading, right arrow to open.

 

 
Down arrow to, Configure Web Verbosity Levels closed, right arrow to open.

 

 
Down arrow to, Medium..., press the spacebar to open.  Note, don't press enter here, only use the spacebar.

 

 
Down arrow many times to, Table grid checked, and uncheck this to see if this helps.

 

Note: Instead of down arrowing you can tap the letter, T, until you get to, Table grid, as well.

 

 
Now, tab to, Okay, press the spacebar tab to, apply, press the spacebar and tab to, okay, and press enter to save / close.

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

 

 
 
From:
Adrian Spratt

 

Mike,

 

I had the same problem with Outlook 2016, and the quick settings remedy was no longer working. So far this morning, the procedure you lay out here has
worked. It makes a huge difference.

 

Once again, thanks.

 

Adrian  

 

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 6:38 AM

Subject: Re: cursor moves back to top of email

 

I do not know about keeping the cursor from moving.  I don’t think I’ve experienced that unless I closed the message.

 

As for having it not turn into table mode, my guess is it could have been a table but Jaws wasn’t indicating that when you were reading.

Tables only show up in HTML format I think.

I guess you could set Outlook to compose in plain text; something I personally do not like because links and such can get more easily messed up.

 

 

 

Richard

 

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.

 

 

My web site, www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 6:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: cursor moves back to top of email

 

Hello,

I’m using most recent versions of Windows10, Outlook2016 and Jaws2021. I will be reading an email and then for some reason I need to flip to another window. When I come back to the open email my cursor is at the top of the email. In the past I use to press control R to act like I’m replying to it. I then move down to the original email and my cursor will remain in that particular spot when I flip to another window and come back. Yet in a particular email the text in the original email turns into a table. First of all is there a way I can setup Jaws so the cursor doesn’t move up to the top when I leave the open email going to a different window? Or if I do a reply the original email doesn’t turn into table format?

Thanks,

Kevin

When I’m in an email and

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