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moderated Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

Don Walls
 

The persons who have responded to this thread are preaching to the choir, so to speak. Why not direct comments to software producers or the companies who employ them? Otherwise, this thread is just a series of rants or "ditto" comments. Some good points have been made, so pass them to the places where at least they willb e heard by those responsible for the changes.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: Deb and the girls
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

Amen to the idea that these companies need to work toward overcoming proprietary software problems that most companies continually have due to upgrades and new technology. My fear is that if Freedom Scientiffic and others do not stay at the top of their game, blind persons will be losing their jobs through no fault of their employers and no fault of theirs; but the result of technologies not allowing the blind employee to compete equally with sighted piers.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Larry Wayland
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 5:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

In my opinion, we have been dealing with computer accessibility since the early 80's, and I think it is high time companies make this stuff work and work right. Too many blind people are not working because of the lack of accessibility to work sites. If they are working now and have good accessibility they are always concerned about what is going to happen after the next update. I am not jumping on the developers of access software necessarily. the developers of the operating systems are mostly to blame and then of course the developers of software packages for the work sites.
Larry


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of soner
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 1:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

Mr. Hill, my aim is not to discuss the strength or weaknesses of any screen reading software, but to point at a blatant exploitation of a defacto monopoly. So, I do not think that it is as simple as to say love or leave.

On 9/11/20, Chris Hill <hillco@earthlink.net> wrote:
You could happily use a three or four year old version of jaws, if you
didn't get online, didn't allow windows to upgrade and didn't use
office 365, otherwise, you can either pay or switch to nvda. I'll
pay, if NVDA did all I wanted it to do, I could save some money, but
as far as I can tell, there are still things I need that it doesn't do
so there it is. I'm grateful for jaws, having tried nvda, and tried a
mac and left lacking the access I want on both. Nothing is perfect,
but of the three, jaws is still the best for what I do. Others who
want or need less can probably save themselves a ton of money.





On 9/11/2020 13:25, soner wrote:
When you divide one feature into bits and pieces and scale it to
versions and eat up people's SMas and ask for upgrade to avail the
remaining parts of one feature introduced in the past, this makes
nothing but a fact clear that this is a sheer robbery. But of course,
we are almost unlikely to hear any American blindness advocating
foundation to bring this years of version proliferation issue to the
court.

My last words to you the Americans, wake up and beware what's going
on with your versions and how they're eaten up guys!

On 9/11/20, soner via groups.io <soner.boun=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi, I am almost sure that the voluntary FS lawyers in the list will
keep flooding and trolling upon this feed-back, but I cannot help
stating that this version is a joke, and FS makes it for years. I
really would like to know, what is/are the major change/changes
making this version to be called 21?

On 9/11/20, Mike B <mb69mach1@fastmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,

Below is a note about Jaws2021 Beta tech support and the link to
the Beta report page.

While in public beta, general technical support of JAWS, ZoomText,
or Fusion

2021 is not available using our direct support phone lines or email.
However,
you may use normal support lines in order to resolve any problems
you experience related to installation or authorization using the
Public Beta.
For all
other issues you may discover, we ask that you send feedback
directly to Freedom Scientific using the Beta Report Form web page.
Please bookmark the report page in your web browser so that you can
easily locate it if you need technical assistance.
Also, please submit one
problem per report.

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Forms/FSBetaReport



Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
moderated Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

Deb and the girls
 

Amen to the idea that these companies need to work toward overcoming proprietary software problems that most companies continually have due to upgrades and new technology. My fear is that if Freedom Scientiffic and others do not stay at the top of their game, blind persons will be losing their jobs through no fault of their employers and no fault of theirs; but the result of technologies not allowing the blind employee to compete equally with sighted piers.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Larry Wayland
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 5:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

In my opinion, we have been dealing with computer accessibility since the early 80's, and I think it is high time companies make this stuff work and work right. Too many blind people are not working because of the lack of accessibility to work sites. If they are working now and have good accessibility they are always concerned about what is going to happen after the next update. I am not jumping on the developers of access software necessarily. the developers of the operating systems are mostly to blame and then of course the developers of software packages for the work sites.
Larry


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of soner
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 1:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

Mr. Hill, my aim is not to discuss the strength or weaknesses of any screen reading software, but to point at a blatant exploitation of a defacto monopoly. So, I do not think that it is as simple as to say love or leave.

On 9/11/20, Chris Hill <hillco@earthlink.net> wrote:
You could happily use a three or four year old version of jaws, if you
didn't get online, didn't allow windows to upgrade and didn't use
office 365, otherwise, you can either pay or switch to nvda. I'll
pay, if NVDA did all I wanted it to do, I could save some money, but
as far as I can tell, there are still things I need that it doesn't do
so there it is. I'm grateful for jaws, having tried nvda, and tried a
mac and left lacking the access I want on both. Nothing is perfect,
but of the three, jaws is still the best for what I do. Others who
want or need less can probably save themselves a ton of money.





On 9/11/2020 13:25, soner wrote:
When you divide one feature into bits and pieces and scale it to
versions and eat up people's SMas and ask for upgrade to avail the
remaining parts of one feature introduced in the past, this makes
nothing but a fact clear that this is a sheer robbery. But of course,
we are almost unlikely to hear any American blindness advocating
foundation to bring this years of version proliferation issue to the
court.

My last words to you the Americans, wake up and beware what's going
on with your versions and how they're eaten up guys!

On 9/11/20, soner via groups.io <soner.boun=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi, I am almost sure that the voluntary FS lawyers in the list will
keep flooding and trolling upon this feed-back, but I cannot help
stating that this version is a joke, and FS makes it for years. I
really would like to know, what is/are the major change/changes
making this version to be called 21?

On 9/11/20, Mike B <mb69mach1@fastmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,

Below is a note about Jaws2021 Beta tech support and the link to
the Beta report page.

While in public beta, general technical support of JAWS, ZoomText,
or Fusion

2021 is not available using our direct support phone lines or email.
However,
you may use normal support lines in order to resolve any problems
you experience related to installation or authorization using the
Public Beta.
For all
other issues you may discover, we ask that you send feedback
directly to Freedom Scientific using the Beta Report Form web page.
Please bookmark the report page in your web browser so that you can
easily locate it if you need technical assistance.
Also, please submit one
problem per report.

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Forms/FSBetaReport



Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
moderated Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

Dan Longmore
 

Hi,
We all hate regulations however I agree with your point and would like to see that all sites and developers be required to make their applications, to the best of their ability, accessible for people with disabilities. It can be done and the question comes down to whether it will occur out of the goodness of the heart of the developer or by requirement.
Let's be grateful here too , much progress has been made and more and more companies are listening and trying their best.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Wayland
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

In my opinion, we have been dealing with computer accessibility since the early 80's, and I think it is high time companies make this stuff work and work right. Too many blind people are not working because of the lack of accessibility to work sites. If they are working now and have good accessibility they are always concerned about what is going to happen after the next update. I am not jumping on the developers of access software necessarily. the developers of the operating systems are mostly to blame and then of course the developers of software packages for the work sites.
Larry


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of soner
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 1:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

Mr. Hill, my aim is not to discuss the strength or weaknesses of any screen reading software, but to point at a blatant exploitation of a defacto monopoly. So, I do not think that it is as simple as to say love or leave.

On 9/11/20, Chris Hill <hillco@earthlink.net> wrote:
You could happily use a three or four year old version of jaws, if you
didn't get online, didn't allow windows to upgrade and didn't use
office 365, otherwise, you can either pay or switch to nvda. I'll
pay, if NVDA did all I wanted it to do, I could save some money, but
as far as I can tell, there are still things I need that it doesn't do
so there it is. I'm grateful for jaws, having tried nvda, and tried a
mac and left lacking the access I want on both. Nothing is perfect,
but of the three, jaws is still the best for what I do. Others who
want or need less can probably save themselves a ton of money.





On 9/11/2020 13:25, soner wrote:
When you divide one feature into bits and pieces and scale it to
versions and eat up people's SMas and ask for upgrade to avail the
remaining parts of one feature introduced in the past, this makes
nothing but a fact clear that this is a sheer robbery. But of course,
we are almost unlikely to hear any American blindness advocating
foundation to bring this years of version proliferation issue to the
court.

My last words to you the Americans, wake up and beware what's going
on with your versions and how they're eaten up guys!

On 9/11/20, soner via groups.io <soner.boun=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi, I am almost sure that the voluntary FS lawyers in the list will
keep flooding and trolling upon this feed-back, but I cannot help
stating that this version is a joke, and FS makes it for years. I
really would like to know, what is/are the major change/changes
making this version to be called 21?

On 9/11/20, Mike B <mb69mach1@fastmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,

Below is a note about Jaws2021 Beta tech support and the link to
the Beta report page.

While in public beta, general technical support of JAWS, ZoomText,
or Fusion

2021 is not available using our direct support phone lines or email.
However,
you may use normal support lines in order to resolve any problems
you experience related to installation or authorization using the
Public Beta.
For all
other issues you may discover, we ask that you send feedback
directly to Freedom Scientific using the Beta Report Form web page.
Please bookmark the report page in your web browser so that you can
easily locate it if you need technical assistance.
Also, please submit one
problem per report.

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Forms/FSBetaReport



Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
moderated Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

Dan Longmore
 

Hi,
Most companies which are in business , in part, to make a profit continually add and change features in the desire to keep you returning for their product. Part of the American system and consumers are free to choose if they will invest.
With screen readers and other products features change and must continually be upgraded. Most technology today , apps and operating systems, are being updated every few weeks or months and thus screen readers are forced to update, upgrade and adapt.
While one can use an older screen reader without updating the person, will most likely, fail to achieve the best possible experience and may even encounter problems that make some software and sites inaccessible.
The model has its problems, to be sure, but the best we have right now.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of soner
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 2:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

When you divide one feature into bits and pieces and scale it to versions and eat up people's SMas and ask for upgrade to avail the remaining parts of one feature introduced in the past, this makes nothing but a fact clear that this is a sheer robbery. But of course, we are almost unlikely to hear any American blindness advocating foundation to bring this years of version proliferation issue to the court.

My last words to you the Americans, wake up and beware what's going on with your versions and how they're eaten up guys!

On 9/11/20, soner via groups.io <soner.boun=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi, I am almost sure that the voluntary FS lawyers in the list will
keep flooding and trolling upon this feed-back, but I cannot help
stating that this version is a joke, and FS makes it for years. I
really would like to know, what is/are the major change/changes making
this version to be called 21?

On 9/11/20, Mike B <mb69mach1@fastmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,

Below is a note about Jaws2021 Beta tech support and the link to the
Beta report page.

While in public beta, general technical support of JAWS, ZoomText, or
Fusion

2021 is not available using our direct support phone lines or email.
However,
you may use normal support lines in order to resolve any problems you
experience related to installation or authorization using the Public
Beta.
For all
other issues you may discover, we ask that you send feedback directly
to Freedom Scientific using the Beta Report Form web page. Please
bookmark the report page in your web browser so that you can easily
locate it if you need technical assistance.
Also, please submit one
problem per report.

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Forms/FSBetaReport



Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
moderated Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

Norma A. Boge
 

Right on, Chris! I couldn't agree with you more. Do I love self-funding my Jaws so I can do what I need to do? No, but I don't have a choice. And I am pretty jazzed about the new features in 2021. Fingers crossed that other features I've grown accustomed to aren't broken. Regards, Norma

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 1:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

You could happily use a three or four year old version of jaws, if you didn't get online, didn't allow windows to upgrade and didn't use office 365, otherwise, you can either pay or switch to nvda. I'll pay, if NVDA did all I wanted it to do, I could save some money, but as far as I can tell, there are still things I need that it doesn't do so there it is. I'm grateful for jaws, having tried nvda, and tried a mac and left lacking the access I want on both. Nothing is perfect, but of the three, jaws is still the best for what I do. Others who want or need less can probably save themselves a ton of money.





On 9/11/2020 13:25, soner wrote:
When you divide one feature into bits and pieces and scale it to
versions and eat up people's SMas and ask for upgrade to avail the
remaining parts of one feature introduced in the past, this makes
nothing but a fact clear that this is a sheer robbery. But of course,
we are almost unlikely to hear any American blindness advocating
foundation to bring this years of version proliferation issue to the
court.

My last words to you the Americans, wake up and beware what's going on
with your versions and how they're eaten up guys!

On 9/11/20, soner via groups.io <soner.boun=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi, I am almost sure that the voluntary FS lawyers in the list will
keep flooding and trolling upon this feed-back, but I cannot help
stating that this version is a joke, and FS makes it for years. I
really would like to know, what is/are the major change/changes
making this version to be called 21?

On 9/11/20, Mike B <mb69mach1@fastmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,

Below is a note about Jaws2021 Beta tech support and the link to the
Beta report page.

While in public beta, general technical support of JAWS, ZoomText,
or Fusion

2021 is not available using our direct support phone lines or email.
However,
you may use normal support lines in order to resolve any problems
you experience related to installation or authorization using the
Public Beta.
For all
other issues you may discover, we ask that you send feedback
directly to Freedom Scientific using the Beta Report Form web page.
Please bookmark the report page in your web browser so that you can
easily locate it if you need technical assistance.
Also, please submit one
problem per report.

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Forms/FSBetaReport



Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
moderated Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

Larry Wayland
 

In my opinion, we have been dealing with computer accessibility since the early 80's, and I think it is high time companies make this stuff work and work right. Too many blind people are not working because of the lack of accessibility to work sites. If they are working now and have good accessibility they are always concerned about what is going to happen after the next update. I am not jumping on the developers of access software necessarily. the developers of the operating systems are mostly to blame and then of course the developers of software packages for the work sites.
Larry

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of soner
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 1:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

Mr. Hill, my aim is not to discuss the strength or weaknesses of any screen reading software, but to point at a blatant exploitation of a defacto monopoly. So, I do not think that it is as simple as to say love or leave.

On 9/11/20, Chris Hill <hillco@earthlink.net> wrote:
You could happily use a three or four year old version of jaws, if you
didn't get online, didn't allow windows to upgrade and didn't use
office 365, otherwise, you can either pay or switch to nvda. I'll
pay, if NVDA did all I wanted it to do, I could save some money, but
as far as I can tell, there are still things I need that it doesn't do
so there it is. I'm grateful for jaws, having tried nvda, and tried a
mac and left lacking the access I want on both. Nothing is perfect,
but of the three, jaws is still the best for what I do. Others who
want or need less can probably save themselves a ton of money.





On 9/11/2020 13:25, soner wrote:
When you divide one feature into bits and pieces and scale it to
versions and eat up people's SMas and ask for upgrade to avail the
remaining parts of one feature introduced in the past, this makes
nothing but a fact clear that this is a sheer robbery. But of course,
we are almost unlikely to hear any American blindness advocating
foundation to bring this years of version proliferation issue to the
court.

My last words to you the Americans, wake up and beware what's going
on with your versions and how they're eaten up guys!

On 9/11/20, soner via groups.io <soner.boun=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi, I am almost sure that the voluntary FS lawyers in the list will
keep flooding and trolling upon this feed-back, but I cannot help
stating that this version is a joke, and FS makes it for years. I
really would like to know, what is/are the major change/changes
making this version to be called 21?

On 9/11/20, Mike B <mb69mach1@fastmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,

Below is a note about Jaws2021 Beta tech support and the link to
the Beta report page.

While in public beta, general technical support of JAWS, ZoomText,
or Fusion

2021 is not available using our direct support phone lines or email.
However,
you may use normal support lines in order to resolve any problems
you experience related to installation or authorization using the
Public Beta.
For all
other issues you may discover, we ask that you send feedback
directly to Freedom Scientific using the Beta Report Form web page.
Please bookmark the report page in your web browser so that you can
easily locate it if you need technical assistance.
Also, please submit one
problem per report.

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Forms/FSBetaReport



Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
moderated Jaws And Outlook

Pastor Gilbert Pries
 

Using Office 365.

Outlook is currently set to table view.

What is the best view to use?

 

Pastor Gil
moderated Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

Chris Hill
 

My point is that it is not exploitation, at least not proven as of yet.  If they don't keep working, we lose access.  How much of their work is required to keep the thing going may be questioned, but doubting its existence is not sensible.

On 9/11/2020 13:49, soner wrote:
Mr. Hill, my aim is not to discuss the strength or weaknesses of any
screen reading software, but to point at a blatant exploitation of a
defacto monopoly. So, I do not think that it is as simple as to say
love or leave.

On 9/11/20, Chris Hill <hillco@earthlink.net> wrote:
You could happily use a three or four year old version of jaws, if you
didn't get online, didn't allow windows to upgrade and didn't use office
365, otherwise, you can either pay or switch to nvda.   I'll pay, if
NVDA did all I wanted it to do, I could save some money, but as far as I
can tell, there are still things I need that it doesn't do so there it
is.  I'm grateful for jaws, having tried nvda, and tried a mac and left
lacking the access I want on both.  Nothing is perfect, but of the
three, jaws is still the best for what I do.  Others who want or need
less can probably save themselves a ton of money.





On 9/11/2020 13:25, soner wrote:
When you divide one feature into bits and pieces and scale it to
versions and eat up people's SMas and ask for upgrade to avail the
remaining parts of one feature introduced in the past, this makes
nothing but a fact clear that this is a sheer robbery. But of course,
we are almost unlikely to hear any American blindness advocating
foundation to bring this years of version proliferation issue to the
court.

My last words to you the Americans, wake up and beware what's going on
with your versions and how they're eaten up guys!

On 9/11/20, soner via groups.io <soner.boun=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi, I am almost sure that the voluntary FS lawyers in the list will
keep flooding and trolling upon this feed-back, but I cannot help
stating that this version is a joke, and FS makes it for years. I
really would like to know, what is/are the major change/changes making
this version to be called 21?

On 9/11/20, Mike B <mb69mach1@fastmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,

Below is a note about Jaws2021 Beta tech support and the link to the
Beta
report page.

While in public beta, general technical support of JAWS, ZoomText, or
Fusion

2021 is not available using our direct support phone lines or email.
However,
you may use normal support lines in order to resolve any problems you
experience related to installation or authorization using the Public
Beta.
For all
other issues you may discover, we ask that you send feedback directly
to
Freedom Scientific using the
Beta Report Form web page. Please bookmark the report page in your web
browser so that you can easily locate it if you need technical
assistance.
Also, please submit one
problem per report.

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Forms/FSBetaReport



Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
moderated Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

soner
 

Mr. Hill, my aim is not to discuss the strength or weaknesses of any
screen reading software, but to point at a blatant exploitation of a
defacto monopoly. So, I do not think that it is as simple as to say
love or leave.

On 9/11/20, Chris Hill <hillco@earthlink.net> wrote:
You could happily use a three or four year old version of jaws, if you
didn't get online, didn't allow windows to upgrade and didn't use office
365, otherwise, you can either pay or switch to nvda.   I'll pay, if
NVDA did all I wanted it to do, I could save some money, but as far as I
can tell, there are still things I need that it doesn't do so there it
is.  I'm grateful for jaws, having tried nvda, and tried a mac and left
lacking the access I want on both.  Nothing is perfect, but of the
three, jaws is still the best for what I do.  Others who want or need
less can probably save themselves a ton of money.





On 9/11/2020 13:25, soner wrote:
When you divide one feature into bits and pieces and scale it to
versions and eat up people's SMas and ask for upgrade to avail the
remaining parts of one feature introduced in the past, this makes
nothing but a fact clear that this is a sheer robbery. But of course,
we are almost unlikely to hear any American blindness advocating
foundation to bring this years of version proliferation issue to the
court.

My last words to you the Americans, wake up and beware what's going on
with your versions and how they're eaten up guys!

On 9/11/20, soner via groups.io <soner.boun=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi, I am almost sure that the voluntary FS lawyers in the list will
keep flooding and trolling upon this feed-back, but I cannot help
stating that this version is a joke, and FS makes it for years. I
really would like to know, what is/are the major change/changes making
this version to be called 21?

On 9/11/20, Mike B <mb69mach1@fastmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,

Below is a note about Jaws2021 Beta tech support and the link to the
Beta
report page.

While in public beta, general technical support of JAWS, ZoomText, or
Fusion

2021 is not available using our direct support phone lines or email.
However,
you may use normal support lines in order to resolve any problems you
experience related to installation or authorization using the Public
Beta.
For all
other issues you may discover, we ask that you send feedback directly
to
Freedom Scientific using the
Beta Report Form web page. Please bookmark the report page in your web
browser so that you can easily locate it if you need technical
assistance.
Also, please submit one
problem per report.

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Forms/FSBetaReport



Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
moderated Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

Chris Hill
 

You could happily use a three or four year old version of jaws, if you didn't get online, didn't allow windows to upgrade and didn't use office 365, otherwise, you can either pay or switch to nvda.   I'll pay, if NVDA did all I wanted it to do, I could save some money, but as far as I can tell, there are still things I need that it doesn't do so there it is.  I'm grateful for jaws, having tried nvda, and tried a mac and left lacking the access I want on both.  Nothing is perfect, but of the three, jaws is still the best for what I do.  Others who want or need less can probably save themselves a ton of money.

On 9/11/2020 13:25, soner wrote:
When you divide one feature into bits and pieces and scale it to
versions and eat up people's SMas and ask for upgrade to avail the
remaining parts of one feature introduced in the past, this makes
nothing but a fact clear that this is a sheer robbery. But of course,
we are almost unlikely to hear any American blindness advocating
foundation to bring this years of version proliferation issue to the
court.

My last words to you the Americans, wake up and beware what's going on
with your versions and how they're eaten up guys!

On 9/11/20, soner via groups.io <soner.boun=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi, I am almost sure that the voluntary FS lawyers in the list will
keep flooding and trolling upon this feed-back, but I cannot help
stating that this version is a joke, and FS makes it for years. I
really would like to know, what is/are the major change/changes making
this version to be called 21?

On 9/11/20, Mike B <mb69mach1@fastmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,

Below is a note about Jaws2021 Beta tech support and the link to the Beta
report page.

While in public beta, general technical support of JAWS, ZoomText, or
Fusion

2021 is not available using our direct support phone lines or email.
However,
you may use normal support lines in order to resolve any problems you
experience related to installation or authorization using the Public
Beta.
For all
other issues you may discover, we ask that you send feedback directly to
Freedom Scientific using the
Beta Report Form web page. Please bookmark the report page in your web
browser so that you can easily locate it if you need technical
assistance.
Also, please submit one
problem per report.

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Forms/FSBetaReport



Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
moderated Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

soner
 

When you divide one feature into bits and pieces and scale it to
versions and eat up people's SMas and ask for upgrade to avail the
remaining parts of one feature introduced in the past, this makes
nothing but a fact clear that this is a sheer robbery. But of course,
we are almost unlikely to hear any American blindness advocating
foundation to bring this years of version proliferation issue to the
court.

My last words to you the Americans, wake up and beware what's going on
with your versions and how they're eaten up guys!

On 9/11/20, soner via groups.io <soner.boun=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi, I am almost sure that the voluntary FS lawyers in the list will
keep flooding and trolling upon this feed-back, but I cannot help
stating that this version is a joke, and FS makes it for years. I
really would like to know, what is/are the major change/changes making
this version to be called 21?

On 9/11/20, Mike B <mb69mach1@fastmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,

Below is a note about Jaws2021 Beta tech support and the link to the Beta
report page.

While in public beta, general technical support of JAWS, ZoomText, or
Fusion

2021 is not available using our direct support phone lines or email.
However,
you may use normal support lines in order to resolve any problems you
experience related to installation or authorization using the Public
Beta.
For all
other issues you may discover, we ask that you send feedback directly to
Freedom Scientific using the
Beta Report Form web page. Please bookmark the report page in your web
browser so that you can easily locate it if you need technical
assistance.
Also, please submit one
problem per report.

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Forms/FSBetaReport



Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
moderated Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

Chris Hill
 

Ahhh, I used to ask those questions myself.  Then it came to me, there don't have to be any major changes, if you need for stuff to keep working as it is upgraded, such as your browser or office 365, you keep paying.  They have to keep working, just to stay in the same place, and that can't be done for nothing.

On 9/11/2020 12:36, soner wrote:
Hi, I am almost sure that the voluntary FS lawyers in the list will
keep flooding and trolling upon this feed-back, but I cannot help
stating that this version is a joke, and FS makes it for years. I
really would like to know, what is/are the major change/changes making
this version to be called 21?

On 9/11/20, Mike B <mb69mach1@fastmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,

Below is a note about Jaws2021 Beta tech support and the link to the Beta
report page.

While in public beta, general technical support of JAWS, ZoomText, or Fusion

2021 is not available using our direct support phone lines or email.
However,
you may use normal support lines in order to resolve any problems you
experience related to installation or authorization using the Public Beta.
For all
other issues you may discover, we ask that you send feedback directly to
Freedom Scientific using the
Beta Report Form web page. Please bookmark the report page in your web
browser so that you can easily locate it if you need technical assistance.
Also, please submit one
problem per report.

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Forms/FSBetaReport



Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
moderated Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

soner
 

Hi, I am almost sure that the voluntary FS lawyers in the list will
keep flooding and trolling upon this feed-back, but I cannot help
stating that this version is a joke, and FS makes it for years. I
really would like to know, what is/are the major change/changes making
this version to be called 21?

On 9/11/20, Mike B <mb69mach1@fastmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,

Below is a note about Jaws2021 Beta tech support and the link to the Beta
report page.

While in public beta, general technical support of JAWS, ZoomText, or Fusion

2021 is not available using our direct support phone lines or email.
However,
you may use normal support lines in order to resolve any problems you
experience related to installation or authorization using the Public Beta.
For all
other issues you may discover, we ask that you send feedback directly to
Freedom Scientific using the
Beta Report Form web page. Please bookmark the report page in your web
browser so that you can easily locate it if you need technical assistance.
Also, please submit one
problem per report.

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Forms/FSBetaReport



Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
moderated JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

Mike B
 

Hi All,
 
Below is a note about Jaws2021 Beta tech support and the link to the Beta report page.
 
While in public beta, general technical support of JAWS, ZoomText, or Fusion 2021 is not available using our direct support phone lines or email. However,
you may use normal support lines in order to resolve any problems you experience related to installation or authorization using the Public Beta. For all
other issues you may discover, we ask that you send feedback directly to Freedom Scientific using the
Beta Report Form web page. Please bookmark the report page in your web browser so that you can easily locate it if you need technical assistance. Also, please submit one
problem per report.
 
 
 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
moderated Re: Quick Books

Steve Nutt
 

Yep, I use it on Android and iOS.

It's great.

All the best

Steve

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77 Exeter Close
Stevenage
Hertfordshire
SG1 4PW
T: +44(0)1438-742286
M: +44(0)7956-334938
F: +44(0)1438-759589
E: steve@comproom.co.uk
W: https://www.comproom.co.uk

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 11 September 2020 14:50
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Quick Books

Has anyone used Quick Books on a smart phone?



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
himself," and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
granting grace to others, I've never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward
Herbert

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Quick Books

Hi,

Quickbooks Online is the best route to go, as it is accessible with any
screen reader.

All the best

Steve

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Computer Room Services
77 Exeter Close
Stevenage
Hertfordshire
SG1 4PW
T: +44(0)1438-742286
M: +44(0)7956-334938
F: +44(0)1438-759589
E: steve@comproom.co.uk
W:
https://eur06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.compro
om.co.uk%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc09446bc4c5d4337505608d85658a9d4%7C84df9e7
fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637354286087617798&amp;sdata=FfrtnUtR6oT
3U9f5%2BjWtSW1t6Dp78GFtaC1r3W9L6ec%3D&amp;reserved=0

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: 02 September 2020 15:04
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Quick Books

Is quick books accessible with JAWS? When I worked with it years ago, it
was pretty manageable. Is it still?

Thx,
moderated Re: JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New

Onwardbob
 

Thanks, and will do

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 9:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New

Bob,

I don't believe it's because you're running Outlook 2010. I think it's a
quirk with J2021 because other people are having various issues with this
release, so I would report it to FS.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
From: Onwardbob <mailto:onwardbob@roadrunner.com>
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New

I did that first and it didn't help. I sure hope it isn't just because I'm
using Outlook 2010.

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New

That should open the program as maximized, but a friend had the same problem
and he only had to press, Windows key + up arrow, to maximize and it took
care of the problem. I guess sometimes the screen won't maximize on its own
like it's supposed to. At least that was the problem in his case, maybe it
won't work for you but it's only something to try.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
From: Onwardbob <mailto:onwardbob@roadrunner.com>
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New

Mike I have Outlook maxed in propertys. Is that what you mean?

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 7:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New

Bob,

Make sure the screen is maximized.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
From: Onwardbob <mailto:onwardbob@roadrunner.com>
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New

Not for me using Outlook 2010

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 3:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New

I just installed the beta and in Outlook 2016 from Microsoft 365 it reads
who it is from, subject, etc., just like always.

Did you migrate your settings from the release version?




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
himself," and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
granting grace to others, I've never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward
Herbert

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Onwardbob
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 3:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New

When using 2021 the up and down arrows are moving up and down through my
E-mail but not reading as it does. Insert up arrow reads.???

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 9:29 AM
To: JList
Subject: JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New

Hi All,

Here's the J2021 Beta download link for both 32 & 64 bit systems, what's new
in this release and a link to the FSCast that has demonstrations.


Download Link 32 & 64 Bit:

https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjaws2021.v
fo.digital%2F2021.2009.13.400%2F7B55F25C-8F3C-4D14-AB6F-7EEBF4&amp;data=02%7
C01%7C%7C3a75e8bce8e44fdd49b508d855d6822a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa
%7C1%7C0%7C637353727071695181&amp;sdata=sTXlkUbOIsRxAdswjmg%2FFnx37O%2B2TsV2
%2BPgj%2BQW2xmA%3D&amp;reserved=0
ACAC57/J2021.2009.13.400-any.exe


. FSCast web page, provides demonstrations of the new and exciting features
in the upcoming 2021 release.

https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.freed
omscientific.com%2Farchive-of-fsopenline-from-august-2020%2F&amp;data=02%7C0
1%7C%7C3a75e8bce8e44fdd49b508d855d6822a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7
C1%7C0%7C637353727071695181&amp;sdata=v%2BMQHGsmvqrQqlZRprJxnvGWQQtg9gylSR0x
K8Vuwx4%3D&amp;reserved=0


. New Features in 2021

New Features Added in JAWS, ZoomText, and Fusion 2021 PictureSmart
Improvements

Introduced in JAWS and Fusion 2019, Picture Smart allows you to choose a
photo and submit it to be analyzed. A description of the image is then
displayed in the Results Viewer. To use Picture Smart, press
INSERT+SPACEBAR, followed by P to activate the Picture Smart layer. You can
then press A to describe a photo acquired from the PEARL camera or a flatbed
scanner, F to describe a selected image file in Windows Explorer, C to
describe the current control, or B to describe an image on the Windows
Clipboard.

JAWS and Fusion 2021 continues to expand this feature by offering several
improvements including:

list of 3 items
. Describing images on web pages: If focused on an image that is part of a
web page, such as a photo on Facebook, pressing INSERT+SPACEBAR, P followed
by C now describes the photo.
. Submitting images to multiple services to help improve accuracy: By
default, images are submitted to Microsoft for analyzing. However, the
Results Viewer now contains a More Results link which submits the image
again to additional services for analyzing and displays an updated
description. You can also add SHIFT to a Picture Smart command to use
multiple services. For example,
INSERT+SPACEBAR, P followed by SHIFT+F, SHIFT+C, or SHIFT+B.
. Using Picture Smart in multiple languages: If you are using JAWS or Fusion
in a language other than English and you attempt to use Picture Smart, JAWS
and Fusion will use machine translation to display descriptions in the
particular language. You can also manually choose from 38 languages for
displaying results, configurable using the new Picture Smart Language option
in Settings Center.
list end

Please note that these changes, especially the machine translation for other
languages, is still experimental, so things may not always work as expected.
Results will improve as we continue refining this functionality.

For more information on Picture Smart, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, P followed by
QUESTION MARK or refer to the Picture Smart topic in the JAWS help.

OCR Text Directly into a Word Document

The Convenient OCR (Optical Character Recognition) feature has been enhanced
to support sending recognized text directly to Word. Convenient OCR enables
you to access images containing text that is part of the image and displays
this information in the Results Viewer. This includes onscreen images such
as the graphical setup screen for an application, an inaccessible PDF opened
in Adobe Reader, a currently selected image file in Windows Explorer, or a
document acquired by the PEARL camera or a flatbed scanner.

If Microsoft Office is installed on your system, you can now:

list of 2 items
. Use the new command INSERT+SPACEBAR, O followed by R to perform OCR on a
selected image file in File Explorer or the Desktop and place the recognized
text directly into a Word document. You can also press the APPLICATIONS key
and choose Convenient OCR to Word with JAWS or Fusion from the context menu.
. Use the new Open in Word link that appears at the top of the Results
Viewer once the OCR process is complete.
list end

For more information about using Convenient OCR, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, O
followed by QUESTION MARK or refer to the Convenient OCR topic in the JAWS
help.

New Voice Assistant to Help with Various JAWS, ZoomText, and Fusion Commands
and Features

The new Voice Assistant provides a way to interact with JAWS, ZoomText, and
Fusion in Windows 10 using speech input. Supported languages include
English, Dutch, German, Spanish, and French. Ask it to help you out with
various JAWS or ZoomText features using natural speech. This means that the
same action can be performed by more than one similar phrase instead of a
single predefined voice command. For instance, to launch JAWS Settings
Center, you could say "Settings Center" or "change settings." Unlike
keyboard shortcuts, which can be hard to remember, natural voice commands
are an easier way to interact with the JAWS or ZoomText software. Using
voice input to control JAWS or ZoomText can also benefit users with certain
conditions which prevent them from using a keyboard effectively.

The JAWS Voice Assistant uses your computer's internal microphone or you can
talk to it using an external microphone or headset. To tell the Voice
Assistant to begin listening for a specific command, there are three
options:

list of 2 items
. Press the key combination, INSERT+ALT+SPACEBAR (CAPS LOCK+ALT+SPACEBAR for
ZoomText and Fusion).
. Speak a specific wake word which alerts to software to begin listening for
a voice command, similar to using an Alexa or Google Home device. The wake
word is "Sharky" for JAWS and "Zoomy" for ZoomText and Fusion. Speak this
word followed by a specific JAWS or ZoomText command, such as, "Sharky, list
links," or "Zoomy, increase zoom level."
list end

Note: The wake word is not available if you are using a Bluetooth
microphone. In this case, you must use the keystroke before speaking the
voice command.

list of 1 items
. From the JAWS main window, press ALT+U to open the Utilities menu, expand
the Voice Assistant submenu, and then select Talk to JAWS. From the ZoomText
or Fusion main window, select Talk to ZoomText.
list end

When the Voice Assistant starts listening for a voice command, a short audio
indicator plays, and a visual indicator is displayed. After hearing a voice
command, a different audio indicator plays until the command is processed.
After processing, the visual indicator is removed, a different, short, audio
indicator plays, and the desired JAWS or ZoomText action is performed.

If the Voice Assistant does not hear anything, the message, "Sorry, I didn't
hear anything" is spoken. If the Voice Assistant does not understand or if
the voice command is not supported, the message, "Sorry, I didn't catch
that" is spoken.

Note: Since all voice recognition processing is performed over the Internet
using Microsoft Services in the cloud, there will be a slight delay
depending on your connection. Be patient and experiment with different
commands. This is a new technology being added to our software products and
will continue to change and evolve over time. We welcome your suggestions
and feedback.

To turn off the Voice Assistant or change other options, such as whether or
not JAWS or ZoomText listens for the wake word or to turn off the sounds, do
one of the following:

list of 2 items
. For JAWS, open the JAWS Utilities menu, expand the Voice Assistant
submenu, and then select Settings.
. For ZoomText or Fusion, select the Tools tab, press DOWN ARROW on the
Voice Assistant drop down button, and select Settings.
list end

To learn more and to view a full list of voice commands for specific
actions, say "Sharky, help," or "Zoomy, help." You can also select Getting
Started from the Voice Assistant menu.

Here are a few commands you can try to help you get started.

For JAWS (Remember to say "Sharky" or press INSERT+ALT+SPACEBAR before
speaking each command):

list of 10 items
. Help
. Talk faster
. Talk slower
. Change settings
. Command search
. What time is it
. OCR PDF
. List links
. List headings
. List spelling errors
list end

For ZoomText or Fusion (Remember to say "Zoomy" or press CAPS
LOCK+ALT+SPACEBAR before speaking each command):

list of 10 items
. Increase zoom level
. Zoom out
. Set zoom level to 5
. Where is my focus
. What time is it
. Activate speech
. Talk faster
. Open Reader app view
. Launch finder
. Change the color enhancement scheme
list end

Improved Microsoft Teams Support
list of 6 items
. If you press ENTER on a document in the Files list which opens the
inaccessible document viewer, you can now press ESC to return to the files
list. You are also prompted to use the SHIFT+F10 context menu and open the
document in the desktop application, which is the suggested method.
. You can now press ALT+1 through 5 to go directly to the first five tab
pages.
. Pressing ALT+LEFT ARROW now automatically activates the back button from
anywhere in Teams.
. You can now press ALT+H to hang up a call in progress.
. You can now press ALT+T to set focus to the Teams tree view, if visible.
Note that it is usually only visible if CTRL+3 has been pressed to show the
teams and channels list. The screen should also be maximized to ensure this
control is visible.
. Pressing ALT+R now raises or lowers your hand in a meeting.
list end

Teams also allows you to show meetings and calls in separate windows with
fewer controls. To do this, press CTRL+COMMA to open Preferences and select
the check box labeled: "Turn on new meeting experience (New meetings and
calls will open in separate windows. Requires restarting Teams.)" While JAWS
specific keystrokes for meetings and calls will not work in this split mode,
Microsoft has their own set of keystrokes you can review by pressing
CTRL+PERIOD.

New Keystroke for Changing the Punctuation Level

You can now press INSERT+SHIFT+2 on the number row to cycle through the four
punctuation levels which controls how much punctuation JAWS and Fusion speak
while reading. The available levels are None, Some, Most, and All. Similar
to toggling Screen Echo (INSERT+S) or Typing Echo (INSERT+2), the
punctuation level will revert back to the previous setting when JAWS or
Fusion is restarted. To permanently set a punctuation level, use the JAWS
Startup Wizard or Settings Center.

Announce Most Recent Windows Notification

You can now perform the new layered command INSERT+SPACEBAR followed by N to
have JAWS repeat the last notification that was spoken. Notifications
include an incoming Teams or Skype call, a recent Zoom message, a new email
in Outlook, and more. If you use a Focus braille display, you can also press
RIGHT
SHIFT+N (DOTS 1-3-4-5). To view and manage all your Windows
SHIFT+notifications,
use the Microsoft keystroke WINDOWS Key+A.

FS Support Tool for Gathering System Information

The FS Support Tool is a new utility that collects information about your
computer and sends a report to our Technical Support and Software
Development teams to help us troubleshoot any issues you may be experiencing
while running JAWS, ZoomText, or Fusion. You will typically be asked to run
this utility during a technical support session if it is determined that
additional details about your system are needed. Some information that is
collected
includes:

list of 9 items
. System information such as processor, RAM, operating system, architecture,
and more . Event logs . Version of Adobe Reader (if installed) . Versions of
all installed web browsers . Information on installed Microsoft Office
applications . Crash dumps . Installation logs . Currently running system
processes . User settings list end

The FS Support Tool can be started from the Help menu in JAWS, or the
Support menu in ZoomText or Fusion and guides you through collecting and
submitting a report.

Announce Accessible Notification Events

By default, JAWS now automatically announces Windows generated accessible
event notifications in both speech and braille. These types of notifications
are found in a variety of places including business bars in Microsoft
Office. If you do not want to hear these announcements, open Settings Center
and clear the Enable Accessible Notification Events check box.


Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
moderated Re: JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New

Mike B
 

Bob,
 
I don't believe it's because you're running Outlook 2010.  I think it's a quirk with J2021 because other people are having various issues with this release, so I would report it to FS.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
From: Onwardbob
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New

I did that first and it didn't help. I sure hope it isn't just because I'm
using Outlook 2010.

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New

That should open the program as maximized, but a friend had the same problem
and he only had to press, Windows key + up arrow, to maximize and it took
care of the problem.  I guess sometimes the screen won't maximize on its own
like it's supposed to.  At least that was the problem in his case, maybe it
won't work for you but it's only something to try.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
From: Onwardbob <mailto:onwardbob@...> 
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New

Mike I have Outlook maxed in propertys. Is that what you mean?

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 7:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New

Bob,
 
Make sure the screen is maximized.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
From: Onwardbob <mailto:onwardbob@...> 
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New

Not for me using Outlook 2010

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 3:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New

I just installed the beta and in Outlook 2016 from Microsoft 365 it reads
who it is from, subject, etc., just like always.

Did you migrate your settings from the release version?

 


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
himself," and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
granting grace to others, I've never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward
Herbert

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Onwardbob
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 3:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New

When using 2021 the up and down arrows are moving up and down through my
E-mail but not reading as it does. Insert up arrow reads.???

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 9:29 AM
To: JList
Subject: JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New

Hi All,
 
Here's the J2021 Beta download link for both 32 & 64 bit systems, what's new
in this release and a link to the FSCast that has demonstrations.
 
 
Download Link 32 & 64 Bit:
 
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ACAC57/J2021.2009.13.400-any.exe
 

. FSCast web page, provides demonstrations of the new and exciting features
in the upcoming 2021 release.
 
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.freed
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. New Features in 2021
 
New Features Added in JAWS, ZoomText, and Fusion 2021 PictureSmart
Improvements
 
Introduced in JAWS and Fusion 2019, Picture Smart allows you to choose a
photo and submit it to be analyzed. A description of the image is then
displayed in the Results Viewer. To use Picture Smart, press
INSERT+SPACEBAR, followed by P to activate the Picture Smart layer. You can
then press A to describe a photo acquired from the PEARL camera or a flatbed
scanner, F to describe a selected image file in Windows Explorer, C to
describe the current control, or B to describe an image on the Windows
Clipboard.
 
JAWS and Fusion 2021 continues to expand this feature by offering several
improvements including:
 
list of 3 items
. Describing images on web pages: If focused on an image that is part of a
web page, such as a photo on Facebook, pressing INSERT+SPACEBAR, P followed
by C now describes the photo.
. Submitting images to multiple services to help improve accuracy: By
default, images are submitted to Microsoft for analyzing. However, the
Results Viewer now contains a More Results link which submits the image
again to additional services for analyzing and displays an updated
description. You can also add SHIFT to a Picture Smart command to use
multiple services. For example,
INSERT+SPACEBAR, P followed by SHIFT+F, SHIFT+C, or SHIFT+B.
. Using Picture Smart in multiple languages: If you are using JAWS or Fusion
in a language other than English and you attempt to use Picture Smart, JAWS
and Fusion will use machine translation to display descriptions in the
particular language. You can also manually choose from 38 languages for
displaying results, configurable using the new Picture Smart Language option
in Settings Center.
list end
 
Please note that these changes, especially the machine translation for other
languages, is still experimental, so things may not always work as expected.
Results will improve as we continue refining this functionality.
 
For more information on Picture Smart, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, P followed by
QUESTION MARK or refer to the Picture Smart topic in the JAWS help.
 
OCR Text Directly into a Word Document
 
The Convenient OCR (Optical Character Recognition) feature has been enhanced
to support sending recognized text directly to Word. Convenient OCR enables
you to access images containing text that is part of the image and displays
this information in the Results Viewer. This includes onscreen images such
as the graphical setup screen for an application, an inaccessible PDF opened
in Adobe Reader, a currently selected image file in Windows Explorer, or a
document acquired by the PEARL camera or a flatbed scanner.
 
If Microsoft Office is installed on your system, you can now:
 
list of 2 items
. Use the new command INSERT+SPACEBAR, O followed by R to perform OCR on a
selected image file in File Explorer or the Desktop and place the recognized
text directly into a Word document. You can also press the APPLICATIONS key
and choose Convenient OCR to Word with JAWS or Fusion from the context menu.
. Use the new Open in Word link that appears at the top of the Results
Viewer once the OCR process is complete.
list end
 
For more information about using Convenient OCR, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, O
followed by QUESTION MARK or refer to the Convenient OCR topic in the JAWS
help.
 
New Voice Assistant to Help with Various JAWS, ZoomText, and Fusion Commands
and Features
 
The new Voice Assistant provides a way to interact with JAWS, ZoomText, and
Fusion in Windows 10 using speech input. Supported languages include
English, Dutch, German, Spanish, and French. Ask it to help you out with
various JAWS or ZoomText features using natural speech. This means that the
same action can be performed by more than one similar phrase instead of a
single predefined voice command. For instance, to launch JAWS Settings
Center, you could say "Settings Center" or "change settings." Unlike
keyboard shortcuts, which can be hard to remember, natural voice commands
are an easier way to interact with the JAWS or ZoomText software. Using
voice input to control JAWS or ZoomText can also benefit users with certain
conditions which prevent them from using a keyboard effectively.
 
The JAWS Voice Assistant uses your computer's internal microphone or you can
talk to it using an external microphone or headset. To tell the Voice
Assistant to begin listening for a specific command, there are three
options:
 
list of 2 items
. Press the key combination, INSERT+ALT+SPACEBAR (CAPS LOCK+ALT+SPACEBAR for
ZoomText and Fusion).
. Speak a specific wake word which alerts to software to begin listening for
a voice command, similar to using an Alexa or Google Home device. The wake
word is "Sharky" for JAWS and "Zoomy" for ZoomText and Fusion. Speak this
word followed by a specific JAWS or ZoomText command, such as, "Sharky, list
links," or "Zoomy, increase zoom level."
list end
 
Note: The wake word is not available if you are using a Bluetooth
microphone. In this case, you must use the keystroke before speaking the
voice command.
 
list of 1 items
. From the JAWS main window, press ALT+U to open the Utilities menu, expand
the Voice Assistant submenu, and then select Talk to JAWS. From the ZoomText
or Fusion main window, select Talk to ZoomText.
list end
 
When the Voice Assistant starts listening for a voice command, a short audio
indicator plays, and a visual indicator is displayed. After hearing a voice
command, a different audio indicator plays until the command is processed.
After processing, the visual indicator is removed, a different, short, audio
indicator plays, and the desired JAWS or ZoomText action is performed.
 
If the Voice Assistant does not hear anything, the message, "Sorry, I didn't
hear anything" is spoken. If the Voice Assistant does not understand or if
the voice command is not supported, the message, "Sorry, I didn't catch
that" is spoken.
 
Note: Since all voice recognition processing is performed over the Internet
using Microsoft Services in the cloud, there will be a slight delay
depending on your connection. Be patient and experiment with different
commands. This is a new technology being added to our software products and
will continue to change and evolve over time. We welcome your suggestions
and feedback.
 
To turn off the Voice Assistant or change other options, such as whether or
not JAWS or ZoomText listens for the wake word or to turn off the sounds, do
one of the following:
 
list of 2 items
. For JAWS, open the JAWS Utilities menu, expand the Voice Assistant
submenu, and then select Settings.
. For ZoomText or Fusion, select the Tools tab, press DOWN ARROW on the
Voice Assistant drop down button, and select Settings.
list end
 
To learn more and to view a full list of voice commands for specific
actions, say "Sharky, help," or "Zoomy, help." You can also select Getting
Started from the Voice Assistant menu.
 
Here are a few commands you can try to help you get started.
 
For JAWS (Remember to say "Sharky" or press INSERT+ALT+SPACEBAR before
speaking each command):
 
list of 10 items
. Help
. Talk faster
. Talk slower
. Change settings
. Command search
. What time is it
. OCR PDF
. List links
. List headings
. List spelling errors
list end
 
For ZoomText or Fusion (Remember to say "Zoomy" or press CAPS
LOCK+ALT+SPACEBAR before speaking each command):
 
list of 10 items
. Increase zoom level
. Zoom out
. Set zoom level to 5
. Where is my focus
. What time is it
. Activate speech
. Talk faster
. Open Reader app view
. Launch finder
. Change the color enhancement scheme
list end
 
Improved Microsoft Teams Support
list of 6 items
. If you press ENTER on a document in the Files list which opens the
inaccessible document viewer, you can now press ESC to return to the files
list. You are also prompted to use the SHIFT+F10 context menu and open the
document in the desktop application, which is the suggested method.
. You can now press ALT+1 through 5 to go directly to the first five tab
pages.
. Pressing ALT+LEFT ARROW now automatically activates the back button from
anywhere in Teams.
. You can now press ALT+H to hang up a call in progress.
. You can now press ALT+T to set focus to the Teams tree view, if visible.
Note that it is usually only visible if CTRL+3 has been pressed to show the
teams and channels list. The screen should also be maximized to ensure this
control is visible.
. Pressing ALT+R now raises or lowers your hand in a meeting.
list end
 
Teams also allows you to show meetings and calls in separate windows with
fewer controls. To do this, press CTRL+COMMA to open Preferences and select
the check box labeled: "Turn on new meeting experience (New meetings and
calls will open in separate windows. Requires restarting Teams.)" While JAWS
specific keystrokes for meetings and calls will not work in this split mode,
Microsoft has their own set of keystrokes you can review by pressing
CTRL+PERIOD.
 
New Keystroke for Changing the Punctuation Level
 
You can now press INSERT+SHIFT+2 on the number row to cycle through the four
punctuation levels which controls how much punctuation JAWS and Fusion speak
while reading. The available levels are None, Some, Most, and All. Similar
to toggling Screen Echo (INSERT+S) or Typing Echo (INSERT+2), the
punctuation level will revert back to the previous setting when JAWS or
Fusion is restarted. To permanently set a punctuation level, use the JAWS
Startup Wizard or Settings Center.
 
Announce Most Recent Windows Notification
 
You can now perform the new layered command INSERT+SPACEBAR followed by N to
have JAWS repeat the last notification that was spoken. Notifications
include an incoming Teams or Skype call, a recent Zoom message, a new email
in Outlook, and more. If you use a Focus braille display, you can also press
RIGHT
SHIFT+N (DOTS 1-3-4-5). To view and manage all your Windows
SHIFT+notifications,
use the Microsoft keystroke WINDOWS Key+A.
 
FS Support Tool for Gathering System Information
 
The FS Support Tool is a new utility that collects information about your
computer and sends a report to our Technical Support and Software
Development teams to help us troubleshoot any issues you may be experiencing
while running JAWS, ZoomText, or Fusion. You will typically be asked to run
this utility during a technical support session if it is determined that
additional details about your system are needed. Some information that is
collected
includes:
 
list of 9 items
. System information such as processor, RAM, operating system, architecture,
and more . Event logs . Version of Adobe Reader (if installed) . Versions of
all installed web browsers . Information on installed Microsoft Office
applications . Crash dumps . Installation logs . Currently running system
processes . User settings list end
 
The FS Support Tool can be started from the Help menu in JAWS, or the
Support menu in ZoomText or Fusion and guides you through collecting and
submitting a report.
 
Announce Accessible Notification Events
 
By default, JAWS now automatically announces Windows generated accessible
event notifications in both speech and braille. These types of notifications
are found in a variety of places including business bars in Microsoft
Office. If you do not want to hear these announcements, open Settings Center
and clear the Enable Accessible Notification Events check box.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
moderated Re: Quick Books

Steve Nutt
 

The online version is fantastic, you don't need any scripts for it at all.
It even works with Narrator.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: 02 September 2020 18:32
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Quick Books

There is a desktop and an online version if I understand correctly. Do those
scripts work with both? A trainee has the desktop version. I've heard the
web version may be better, but I have conducted no explorations.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 1:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Quick Books

You have to buy the scripts from myblindspot.com to have any chance using
quickbooks.

On Wed, 02 Sep 2020 10:03:32 -0400,
Ann Byrne wrote:

Is quick books accessible with JAWS? When I worked with it years ago,
it was pretty manageable. Is it still?

Thx,



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moderated Re: Quick Books

Steve Nutt
 

Yep I wouldn't use it any more, I prefer Quickbooks Online. You don't need
scripts for that either.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: 02 September 2020 18:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Quick Books

You have to buy the scripts from myblindspot.com to have any chance using
quickbooks.

On Wed, 02 Sep 2020 10:03:32 -0400,
Ann Byrne wrote:

Is quick books accessible with JAWS? When I worked with it years ago,
it was pretty manageable. Is it still?

Thx,



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moderated Re: Quick Books

Sieghard Weitzel
 

I have it installed and played around with it using a demo account since I have still been too busy to buy Quick
Books Online and get my accountant to help me set it up with the correct accounts and so on, but if anything it's probably even more accessible than the web interface although of course if you have to do any amount of typing the usual challenge exists with a smartphone versus a PC with a keyboard. Yes, I know you can connect a keyboard to an iPhone, but if you want to do any sort of editing of what you type and need to do a lot of reviewing of various aspects of what is on the screen I still find a PC with Windows and Jaws vastly more efficient. But the fact is that it is very accessible.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Quick Books

Has anyone used Quick Books on a smart phone?



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself," and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I've never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Quick Books

Hi,

Quickbooks Online is the best route to go, as it is accessible with any screen reader.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: 02 September 2020 15:04
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Quick Books

Is quick books accessible with JAWS? When I worked with it years ago, it was pretty manageable. Is it still?

Thx,
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