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moderated Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Patrick Murphy
 

Hi,

the group policy editor is only available in windows 10 professional addition.
there is nothing like it in windows 10 home edition.
pat

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Saturday 2 May 2020 18:58
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Sieghard,

Where do we find this setting?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 12:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Sieghard, could you tell us what the group policy item was, or point to the post? I'm curious as to what it might have been.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday 2 May 2020 16:54
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hello Pat,

I don't wan to minimize the issues you had, but Jaws 2020 has been out for over 6 months and while there will always be certain configurations and systems with various issues, these may not always be 100% the fault of Jaws.
I, for example, had one computer where for over a year I could not use any of the Windows apps like Calculator and in addition to that Jaws would read absolutely nothing in the start menu or the Settings app. I could open Settings and when somebody checked I was told visually everything was fine, I could right arrow and down arrow and focus would move, I could press enter and whatever category I was on opened up and so on, but Jaws was absolutely silent. This was even before Jaws 2020 came out and it was like this with Jaws 2018 and Jaws 2019 and nothing I did including completely uninstalling both versions, deleting all Jaws folders and reinstalling would fix it. At the same time I had another almost identical computer at my business with very similar hardware and all worked fine. Finally I read a post somewhere where another user had the same problem and somehow they either found out or were told to check if a particular item in the group policy editor in Windows 10 Pro was enabled. I checked the same setting and it was disabled on this particular computer, I have no idea why or how, but it was and as soon as I enabled it all worked perfectly. Narrator, by the way, worked just fine in the Settings app, start menu and calculator, it was just Jaws which had the problem and the problem which fixed the issue had nothing to do with Jaws, but was simply a Windows setting.
I mentioned this because it shows how sometimes a problem with Jaws can be extremely specific to one system and be caused by something which is directly not even related to Jaws. I am convinced that if I had wiped the system and reinstalled Windows this would have also fixed the problem, but this happened to be on the PC we use as the main register at my retail store and there is other software on this system which is not quite so easy to reinstall so for the longest time I just put up with it and used Narrator if I wanted to do something in the Settings, I hardly ever use the start menu anyways and when I needed to calculate something I'd just open up Excel instead of using the Calculator. This way I could work around the problem, but it was sure nice when it turned out to be such a simple fix which took me all of 30 seconds to make.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 7:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hi,

Not surprised you are having trouble. I myself, only recently, had trouble with installing jaws 2020. I had an authorization problem with windows 10.
Like you, i had to uninstall everything and reinstall everything.
Perhaps freedom scientific should look at this version of jaws again, and take the bugs out of it.
God knows what else is wrong that hasn't been discovered yet.
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: Friday 1 May 2020 16:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

I have tried to update to the latest jaws 2020 on a windows 7 32bit system and when I do my system starts rebooting over and over. I get the error that the gdihooks.dll is missing from my computer and to reinstall the software.
I finally got it to work removing all the jaws installations and only installing a 2003 build of 2020. Now, on my laptop running windows 10 had no problems with the 2004.66 update of jaws 2020. go figure!


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moderated Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible! quicken sure was not.

Jim Pursley
 

I don't know that you would want Quickbooks - it's made by Adobe Systems, the same folks who make Quicken. QB is for small businesses and probably costs more than Quicken.


Why not try googling for the APHB product Money Talks. It sounds like it would meet your needs.

On 5/2/2020 1:22 PM, Jenni Kent wrote:
I got a page not found with that link. Trying quickbooks.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 11:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and
accessible! quicken sure was not.

Jenni, here's the solution that might be what you're looking for:

Money Talks is a completely accessible bank account management software
package developed by American Printing House (APH). This software package
offers the user a simple and effective means of recording and maintaining
accurate information for a variety of accounts. The user can import and use
electronic banking information to reconcile accounts, remember the last
workspace used in the program, emboss or print the check register in a variety
of formats, and print many types of bank checks. Can be used with a screen
reader or with its own self-voicing feature.

https://shop.aph.org/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_MoneyTalks:BankAccountManagementSoftware_1146012P_10001_11051

-------- Original Message --------
From: Jenni Kent [mailto:@lightsrage]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, May 2, 2020, 12:00 PM
Subject: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible!
quicken sure was not.
Where do I get that and how much does it cost. I am on an extreme budget.
And was hoping for fifty and under. I will and grab those scripts


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 10:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and
accessible! quicken sure was not.

Quickbooks can do what you want, although you do need scripts from
myblindspot.com and its not perfect, even then, but it should work, and
although I have not used it, the online version is supposed to be more
accessible.

On Sat, 02 May 2020 11:37:18 -0400,
Jenni Kent wrote:

[1 <text/plain; us-ascii (7bit)>]
Hi, I want software for money management where a I can connect to my
online banking b its not a hundred bucks a year forty is nice c it
actually works with jaws and doesn't have outdated scripts from 2003.

My story begins yesterday when I looked for excel templates those just
weren't for me. I am not good with excel I just don't know how to
operate it with jaws. I will be honest.

So I got a tip on an offer for quicken. I grab it for thirty percent
off on quicken deluxe. Forty bucks later I discover that the program
is less than forth coming in the accessibility department and that's
with nvda and jaws
2020 this morning I requested a reason for this and they asked me what
a screen reader was. I almost cried but then explained. They said
there was nothing they could do and would I like a refund. I said yes.
Because I am sorry that is so not cool. So I beg of you do yall know
of anything that will do what I seek let me get stuff from my bank
automatically and track when bills are due and the like oh and quicken
wouldn't even open a qfx file which it apparently used to open yeah I am
not happy right now.

Please help me I suck at keeping this budget in my head.





Jennifer Kent

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Skype: lightsrage

Whatsapp: Ask.

Telegram: ask

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moderated Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible! quicken sure was not.

Jim Pursley
 

I don't know that you would want Quickbooks - it's made by Adobe Systems, the same folks who make Quicken. QB is for small businesses and probably costs more than Quicken.


Why not try googling for the APHB product Money Talks. It sounds like it would meet your needs.

On 5/2/2020 1:22 PM, Jenni Kent wrote:
I got a page not found with that link. Trying quickbooks.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 11:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and
accessible! quicken sure was not.

Jenni, here's the solution that might be what you're looking for:

Money Talks is a completely accessible bank account management software
package developed by American Printing House (APH). This software package
offers the user a simple and effective means of recording and maintaining
accurate information for a variety of accounts. The user can import and use
electronic banking information to reconcile accounts, remember the last
workspace used in the program, emboss or print the check register in a variety
of formats, and print many types of bank checks. Can be used with a screen
reader or with its own self-voicing feature.

https://shop.aph.org/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_MoneyTalks:BankAccountManagementSoftware_1146012P_10001_11051

-------- Original Message --------
From: Jenni Kent [mailto:@lightsrage]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, May 2, 2020, 12:00 PM
Subject: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible!
quicken sure was not.
Where do I get that and how much does it cost. I am on an extreme budget.
And was hoping for fifty and under. I will and grab those scripts


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 10:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and
accessible! quicken sure was not.

Quickbooks can do what you want, although you do need scripts from
myblindspot.com and its not perfect, even then, but it should work, and
although I have not used it, the online version is supposed to be more
accessible.

On Sat, 02 May 2020 11:37:18 -0400,
Jenni Kent wrote:

[1 <text/plain; us-ascii (7bit)>]
Hi, I want software for money management where a I can connect to my
online banking b its not a hundred bucks a year forty is nice c it
actually works with jaws and doesn't have outdated scripts from 2003.

My story begins yesterday when I looked for excel templates those just
weren't for me. I am not good with excel I just don't know how to
operate it with jaws. I will be honest.

So I got a tip on an offer for quicken. I grab it for thirty percent
off on quicken deluxe. Forty bucks later I discover that the program
is less than forth coming in the accessibility department and that's
with nvda and jaws
2020 this morning I requested a reason for this and they asked me what
a screen reader was. I almost cried but then explained. They said
there was nothing they could do and would I like a refund. I said yes.
Because I am sorry that is so not cool. So I beg of you do yall know
of anything that will do what I seek let me get stuff from my bank
automatically and track when bills are due and the like oh and quicken
wouldn't even open a qfx file which it apparently used to open yeah I am
not happy right now.

Please help me I suck at keeping this budget in my head.





Jennifer Kent

iMessage: lightsrage@... <mailto:lightsrage@...>

Skype: lightsrage

Whatsapp: Ask.

Telegram: ask

Twitter: lights_rage

Facebook: http://facebook.com/lights_rage






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How do
you spend it?

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moderated Re: browsers

Bill White
 

Hi, Judy. As Brian said, a Chromium browser is one that is written in a specific code (Chromium). That being said, what is also meant is that Chromium browsers, (Edge, Firefox, Waterfox, Google Chrome, etc.) have a general look and feel to them. If you use one of them, and then install and use another Chromium browser, they all seem to look and feel similar as you use them.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 10:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: browsers

 

Hi, what do you mean by chromium-based browsers? Thanks in advance. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: browsers

 

Brave is an excellent choice, and its built in ad blocking and privacy features make it ideal for a screen reader user.

You can do a web search on whatever browser it is you want to download, along with the word download, and it's almost certain to be the first result returned.

Brave, the Chrome browser, and new Chromium-based Edge are all based on Chromium, and, thus, are very, very similar to use.  If you know one of them well, you know at least 90%, if not more, of what you need to know to jump in to the others.

Waterfox is a spin-off of Firefox.
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The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: browsers

 

Judy,

 https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Chromium+browsers

There is no other way to put it.  All are based on the code for the open-source Chromium browser with specific slight customizations.
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The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible! quicken sure was not.

Jenni Kent
 

Whats going on with my font/ its supposed to use times new roman 12 I thought I will check my options thanks for alerting me.

That should be fixed. It was on ms gothic. I did not know it looked so strange.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 12:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible! quicken sure was not.

 

That may be true, but it works great.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 12:44 PM

Subject: Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible! quicken sure was not.

 

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 12:40 PM, Jenni Kent wrote:

The manual for that hasn’t been updated in a decade. How long has it been for the software?

I don't know, and nor do I care.  There is a free demo you can download to see if it meets your needs or not.  That's your work to do, not for others to do.

And, please, for the love of heaven, stop using a new, weird font with each and every passing message.
 
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The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Rick Mladek
 

Sieghard,

Where do we find this setting?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 12:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Sieghard, could you tell us what the group policy item was, or point to the post? I'm curious as to what it might have been.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday 2 May 2020 16:54
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hello Pat,

I don't wan to minimize the issues you had, but Jaws 2020 has been out for over 6 months and while there will always be certain configurations and systems with various issues, these may not always be 100% the fault of Jaws.
I, for example, had one computer where for over a year I could not use any of the Windows apps like Calculator and in addition to that Jaws would read absolutely nothing in the start menu or the Settings app. I could open Settings and when somebody checked I was told visually everything was fine, I could right arrow and down arrow and focus would move, I could press enter and whatever category I was on opened up and so on, but Jaws was absolutely silent. This was even before Jaws 2020 came out and it was like this with Jaws 2018 and Jaws 2019 and nothing I did including completely uninstalling both versions, deleting all Jaws folders and reinstalling would fix it. At the same time I had another almost identical computer at my business with very similar hardware and all worked fine. Finally I read a post somewhere where another user had the same problem and somehow they either found out or were told to check if a particular item in the group policy editor in Windows 10 Pro was enabled. I checked the same setting and it was disabled on this particular computer, I have no idea why or how, but it was and as soon as I enabled it all worked perfectly. Narrator, by the way, worked just fine in the Settings app, start menu and calculator, it was just Jaws which had the problem and the problem which fixed the issue had nothing to do with Jaws, but was simply a Windows setting.
I mentioned this because it shows how sometimes a problem with Jaws can be extremely specific to one system and be caused by something which is directly not even related to Jaws. I am convinced that if I had wiped the system and reinstalled Windows this would have also fixed the problem, but this happened to be on the PC we use as the main register at my retail store and there is other software on this system which is not quite so easy to reinstall so for the longest time I just put up with it and used Narrator if I wanted to do something in the Settings, I hardly ever use the start menu anyways and when I needed to calculate something I'd just open up Excel instead of using the Calculator. This way I could work around the problem, but it was sure nice when it turned out to be such a simple fix which took me all of 30 seconds to make.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 7:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hi,

Not surprised you are having trouble. I myself, only recently, had trouble with installing jaws 2020. I had an authorization problem with windows 10.
Like you, i had to uninstall everything and reinstall everything.
Perhaps freedom scientific should look at this version of jaws again, and take the bugs out of it.
God knows what else is wrong that hasn't been discovered yet.
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: Friday 1 May 2020 16:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

I have tried to update to the latest jaws 2020 on a windows 7 32bit system and when I do my system starts rebooting over and over. I get the error that the gdihooks.dll is missing from my computer and to reinstall the software.
I finally got it to work removing all the jaws installations and only installing a 2003 build of 2020. Now, on my laptop running windows 10 had no problems with the 2004.66 update of jaws 2020. go figure!


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moderated Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Rick Mladek
 

Hi all,

The control keyboard command, either control +F or insert +control +f also
is troubled in all browsers using latest version of jaws with most up to
date windows 10 This is troubled in all, not one or the other browsers but
all. Surely someone else has noticed this, as well. It simply does not find
what you or I may know is on the page. This also is troubled in other apps
as Outlook and MS Word 2019.

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 12:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hi Sieghard

I take your point, that there can be other things effecting jaws.
However, I feel lately, that there is a lot of things that freedom
scientific are not testing.
You may have been lucky with this, as you had access to the group policy
editor in windows pro. As you know, this is not available in windows home.
Another thing I have discovered for example, is that in the new Microsoft
chrome edge, try the following.
Press ctrl+f to enter the find box.
Try to type something that you know is on the page.
You will not find it.
Press close on the diagolue box.
Now using the f3 key to enter jaws find.
Jaws will say that the item cannot be found.
This new edge is only out.
Surely, someone testing this with jaws in freedom scientific discovered
this?
If not why?

Regards,

Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday 2 May 2020 16:54
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hello Pat,

I don't wan to minimize the issues you had, but Jaws 2020 has been out for
over 6 months and while there will always be certain configurations and
systems with various issues, these may not always be 100% the fault of Jaws.
I, for example, had one computer where for over a year I could not use any
of the Windows apps like Calculator and in addition to that Jaws would read
absolutely nothing in the start menu or the Settings app. I could open
Settings and when somebody checked I was told visually everything was fine,
I could right arrow and down arrow and focus would move, I could press enter
and whatever category I was on opened up and so on, but Jaws was absolutely
silent. This was even before Jaws 2020 came out and it was like this with
Jaws 2018 and Jaws 2019 and nothing I did including completely uninstalling
both versions, deleting all Jaws folders and reinstalling would fix it. At
the same time I had another almost identical computer at my business with
very similar hardware and all worked fine. Finally I read a post somewhere
where another user had the same problem and somehow they either found out or
were told to check if a particular item in the group policy editor in
Windows 10 Pro was enabled. I checked the same setting and it was disabled
on this particular computer, I have no idea why or how, but it was and as
soon as I enabled it all worked perfectly. Narrator, by the way, worked just
fine in the Settings app, start menu and calculator, it was just Jaws which
had the problem and the problem which fixed the issue had nothing to do with
Jaws, but was simply a Windows setting.
I mentioned this because it shows how sometimes a problem with Jaws can be
extremely specific to one system and be caused by something which is
directly not even related to Jaws. I am convinced that if I had wiped the
system and reinstalled Windows this would have also fixed the problem, but
this happened to be on the PC we use as the main register at my retail store
and there is other software on this system which is not quite so easy to
reinstall so for the longest time I just put up with it and used Narrator if
I wanted to do something in the Settings, I hardly ever use the start menu
anyways and when I needed to calculate something I'd just open up Excel
instead of using the Calculator. This way I could work around the problem,
but it was sure nice when it turned out to be such a simple fix which took
me all of 30 seconds to make.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 7:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hi,

Not surprised you are having trouble. I myself, only recently, had trouble
with installing jaws 2020. I had an authorization problem with windows 10.
Like you, i had to uninstall everything and reinstall everything.
Perhaps freedom scientific should look at this version of jaws again, and
take the bugs out of it.
God knows what else is wrong that hasn't been discovered yet.
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: Friday 1 May 2020 16:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

I have tried to update to the latest jaws 2020 on a windows 7 32bit system
and when I do my system starts rebooting over and over. I get the error that
the gdihooks.dll is missing from my computer and to reinstall the software.
I finally got it to work removing all the jaws installations and only
installing a 2003 build of 2020. Now, on my laptop running windows 10 had no
problems with the 2004.66 update of jaws 2020. go figure!


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moderated Re: browsers

Judy
 

Hi, what do you mean by chromium-based browsers? Thanks in advance. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: browsers

 

Brave is an excellent choice, and its built in ad blocking and privacy features make it ideal for a screen reader user.

You can do a web search on whatever browser it is you want to download, along with the word download, and it's almost certain to be the first result returned.

Brave, the Chrome browser, and new Chromium-based Edge are all based on Chromium, and, thus, are very, very similar to use.  If you know one of them well, you know at least 90%, if not more, of what you need to know to jump in to the others.

Waterfox is a spin-off of Firefox.
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       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible! quicken sure was not.

Loy
 


That may be true, but it works great.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible! quicken sure was not.

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 12:40 PM, Jenni Kent wrote:
The manual for that hasn’t been updated in a decade. How long has it been for the software?
I don't know, and nor do I care.  There is a free demo you can download to see if it meets your needs or not.  That's your work to do, not for others to do.

And, please, for the love of heaven, stop using a new, weird font with each and every passing message.
 
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The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Cristóbal
 

I found the March 2020 update to be quite buggy. Mainly my Outlook 22016 calendar slowing down something terrible and Jaws saying table in cells in Word documents and just little stuff here and there.
I think the table thing is gone with the most recent April update, but haven't used it enough to say if the Outlook calendar thing was addressed.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 9:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Sieghard, could you tell us what the group policy item was, or point to the post? I'm curious as to what it might have been.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday 2 May 2020 16:54
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hello Pat,

I don't wan to minimize the issues you had, but Jaws 2020 has been out for over 6 months and while there will always be certain configurations and systems with various issues, these may not always be 100% the fault of Jaws.
I, for example, had one computer where for over a year I could not use any of the Windows apps like Calculator and in addition to that Jaws would read absolutely nothing in the start menu or the Settings app. I could open Settings and when somebody checked I was told visually everything was fine, I could right arrow and down arrow and focus would move, I could press enter and whatever category I was on opened up and so on, but Jaws was absolutely silent. This was even before Jaws 2020 came out and it was like this with Jaws 2018 and Jaws 2019 and nothing I did including completely uninstalling both versions, deleting all Jaws folders and reinstalling would fix it. At the same time I had another almost identical computer at my business with very similar hardware and all worked fine. Finally I read a post somewhere where another user had the same problem and somehow they either found out or were told to check if a particular item in the group policy editor in Windows 10 Pro was enabled. I checked the same setting and it was disabled on this particular computer, I have no idea why or how, but it was and as soon as I enabled it all worked perfectly. Narrator, by the way, worked just fine in the Settings app, start menu and calculator, it was just Jaws which had the problem and the problem which fixed the issue had nothing to do with Jaws, but was simply a Windows setting.
I mentioned this because it shows how sometimes a problem with Jaws can be extremely specific to one system and be caused by something which is directly not even related to Jaws. I am convinced that if I had wiped the system and reinstalled Windows this would have also fixed the problem, but this happened to be on the PC we use as the main register at my retail store and there is other software on this system which is not quite so easy to reinstall so for the longest time I just put up with it and used Narrator if I wanted to do something in the Settings, I hardly ever use the start menu anyways and when I needed to calculate something I'd just open up Excel instead of using the Calculator. This way I could work around the problem, but it was sure nice when it turned out to be such a simple fix which took me all of 30 seconds to make.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 7:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hi,

Not surprised you are having trouble. I myself, only recently, had trouble with installing jaws 2020. I had an authorization problem with windows 10.
Like you, i had to uninstall everything and reinstall everything.
Perhaps freedom scientific should look at this version of jaws again, and take the bugs out of it.
God knows what else is wrong that hasn't been discovered yet.
Pat
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: Friday 1 May 2020 16:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

I have tried to update to the latest jaws 2020 on a windows 7 32bit system and when I do my system starts rebooting over and over. I get the error that the gdihooks.dll is missing from my computer and to reinstall the software.
I finally got it to work removing all the jaws installations and only installing a 2003 build of 2020. Now, on my laptop running windows 10 had no problems with the 2004.66 update of jaws 2020. go figure!


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moderated Re: browsers

 

Brave is an excellent choice, and its built in ad blocking and privacy features make it ideal for a screen reader user.

You can do a web search on whatever browser it is you want to download, along with the word download, and it's almost certain to be the first result returned.

Brave, the Chrome browser, and new Chromium-based Edge are all based on Chromium, and, thus, are very, very similar to use.  If you know one of them well, you know at least 90%, if not more, of what you need to know to jump in to the others.

Waterfox is a spin-off of Firefox.
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moderated browsers

Denise J Moses
 

Do you think Waterfox or Brave would be a good start to change browsers since I am still using Internet Explorer?  Where do I download these browsers?  Are there tutorials to learn them?  Should I also learn Chrome?

Thank you.

Denise


moderated Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible! quicken sure was not.

Richard Turner
 

APH is not known for updating software so probably the same for the program, however, since it is a very basic program, with some very good features, it is worth giving the free trial a spin.

I checked it out about a year ago and it worked fine on Windows 10.

The manual is still helpful since they haven’t updated the software either.

You may be surprised how well it works.

 

 

 

Richard

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jenni Kent
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 9:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible! quicken sure was not.

 

The manual for that hasn’t been updated in a decade. How long has it been for the software?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 11:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible! quicken sure was not.

 

Corrected link to Money Talks download page at APH:  https://www.aph.org/product/money-talks-bank-account-management-software-digital-download/
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moderated Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible! quicken sure was not.

Loy
 

I use Money Talks and it works well for me with JAWS.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jenni Kent" <@lightsrage>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible! quicken sure was not.


I got a page not found with that link. Trying quickbooks.


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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 11:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and
accessible! quicken sure was not.

Jenni, here's the solution that might be what you're looking for:

Money Talks is a completely accessible bank account management software
package developed by American Printing House (APH). This software package
offers the user a simple and effective means of recording and maintaining
accurate information for a variety of accounts. The user can import and use
electronic banking information to reconcile accounts, remember the last
workspace used in the program, emboss or print the check register in a variety
of formats, and print many types of bank checks. Can be used with a screen
reader or with its own self-voicing feature.

https://shop.aph.org/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_MoneyTalks:BankAccountManagementSoftware_1146012P_10001_11051

-------- Original Message --------
From: Jenni Kent [mailto:@lightsrage]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, May 2, 2020, 12:00 PM
Subject: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible!
quicken sure was not.
Where do I get that and how much does it cost. I am on an extreme budget.
And was hoping for fifty and under. I will and grab those scripts


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 10:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and
accessible! quicken sure was not.

Quickbooks can do what you want, although you do need scripts from
myblindspot.com and its not perfect, even then, but it should work, and
although I have not used it, the online version is supposed to be more
accessible.

On Sat, 02 May 2020 11:37:18 -0400,
Jenni Kent wrote:

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Hi, I want software for money management where a I can connect to my
online banking b its not a hundred bucks a year forty is nice c it
actually works with jaws and doesn't have outdated scripts from 2003.

My story begins yesterday when I looked for excel templates those just
weren't for me. I am not good with excel I just don't know how to
operate it with jaws. I will be honest.

So I got a tip on an offer for quicken. I grab it for thirty percent
off on quicken deluxe. Forty bucks later I discover that the program
is less than forth coming in the accessibility department and that's
with nvda and jaws
2020 this morning I requested a reason for this and they asked me what
a screen reader was. I almost cried but then explained. They said
there was nothing they could do and would I like a refund. I said yes.
Because I am sorry that is so not cool. So I beg of you do yall know
of anything that will do what I seek let me get stuff from my bank
automatically and track when bills are due and the like oh and quicken
wouldn't even open a qfx file which it apparently used to open yeah I am
not happy right now.

Please help me I suck at keeping this budget in my head.





Jennifer Kent

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moderated Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible! quicken sure was not.

Jenni Kent
 

You are right and I just saw the price of the scripts with training stuff its $275 for that alone. Um hi quicken I didn’t want quicken again so give me more money back again today. Yeah free trial my behind.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 11:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible! quicken sure was not.

 

That's a hundred bucks every year.

That's expensive in my opinion.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Jenni Kent

Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2020 11:39 AM

Subject: Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible! quicken sure was not.

 

Just got it for $25 for three months. They have a cheap plan to start.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 11:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible! quicken sure was not.

 

Quick Books will not meet the pricing limit you have.

 

Richard

Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good."

 

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020

 

 

On May 2, 2020, at 9:00 AM, Jenni Kent <jennipalmer@...> wrote:

Where do I get that and how much does it cost. I am on an extreme budget.
And was hoping for fifty and under. I will and grab those scripts


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 10:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and
accessible! quicken sure was not.

Quickbooks can do what you want, although you do need scripts from
myblindspot.com and its not perfect, even then, but it should work, and
although I have not used it, the online version is supposed to be more
accessible.

On Sat, 02 May 2020 11:37:18 -0400,
Jenni Kent wrote:

 

[1  <text/plain; us-ascii (7bit)>]

Hi, I want software for money management where a I can connect to my

online banking b its not a hundred bucks a year forty is nice c it

actually works with jaws and doesn't have outdated scripts from 2003.

 

My story begins yesterday when I looked for excel templates those just

weren't for me. I am not good with excel I just don't know how to

operate it with jaws. I will be honest.

 

So I got a tip on an offer for quicken. I grab it for thirty percent

off on quicken deluxe. Forty bucks later I discover that the program

is less than forth coming in the accessibility department and that's

with nvda and jaws

2020 this morning I requested a reason for this and they asked me what

a screen reader was. I almost cried but then explained. They said

there was nothing they could do and would I like a refund. I said yes.

Because I am sorry that is so not cool. So I beg of you do yall know

of anything that will do what I seek let me get stuff from my bank

automatically and track when bills are due and the like oh and quicken

wouldn't even open a qfx file which it apparently used to open yeah I am

not happy right now.

 

Please help me I suck at keeping this budget in my head.

 

 

 

 

 

Jennifer Kent

 

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Skype: lightsrage

 

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moderated Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible! quicken sure was not.

Jenni Kent
 

Because I am running win ten on a 64 bit system and I want to make sure I don’t have to set my display to something strange. Also something like that may need an update but I will try it if it runs. My optimism is waining.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 11:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible! quicken sure was not.

 

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 12:40 PM, Jenni Kent wrote:

The manual for that hasn’t been updated in a decade. How long has it been for the software?

I don't know, and nor do I care.  There is a free demo you can download to see if it meets your needs or not.  That's your work to do, not for others to do.

And, please, for the love of heaven, stop using a new, weird font with each and every passing message.
 
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moderated Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible! quicken sure was not.

Glenn / Lenny
 


That's a hundred bucks every year.
That's expensive in my opinion.
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Jenni Kent
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2020 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible! quicken sure was not.

Just got it for $25 for three months. They have a cheap plan to start.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 11:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible! quicken sure was not.

 

Quick Books will not meet the pricing limit you have.

 

Richard

Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good."

 

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020

 



On May 2, 2020, at 9:00 AM, Jenni Kent <jennipalmer@...> wrote:

Where do I get that and how much does it cost. I am on an extreme budget.
And was hoping for fifty and under. I will and grab those scripts


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 10:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and
accessible! quicken sure was not.

Quickbooks can do what you want, although you do need scripts from
myblindspot.com and its not perfect, even then, but it should work, and
although I have not used it, the online version is supposed to be more
accessible.

On Sat, 02 May 2020 11:37:18 -0400,
Jenni Kent wrote:

 

[1  <text/plain; us-ascii (7bit)>]

Hi, I want software for money management where a I can connect to my

online banking b its not a hundred bucks a year forty is nice c it

actually works with jaws and doesn't have outdated scripts from 2003.

 

My story begins yesterday when I looked for excel templates those just

weren't for me. I am not good with excel I just don't know how to

operate it with jaws. I will be honest.

 

So I got a tip on an offer for quicken. I grab it for thirty percent

off on quicken deluxe. Forty bucks later I discover that the program

is less than forth coming in the accessibility department and that's

with nvda and jaws

2020 this morning I requested a reason for this and they asked me what

a screen reader was. I almost cried but then explained. They said

there was nothing they could do and would I like a refund. I said yes.

Because I am sorry that is so not cool. So I beg of you do yall know

of anything that will do what I seek let me get stuff from my bank

automatically and track when bills are due and the like oh and quicken

wouldn't even open a qfx file which it apparently used to open yeah I am

not happy right now.

 

Please help me I suck at keeping this budget in my head.

 

 

 

 

 

Jennifer Kent

 

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Skype: lightsrage

 

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On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 12:40 PM, Jenni Kent wrote:
The manual for that hasn’t been updated in a decade. How long has it been for the software?
I don't know, and nor do I care.  There is a free demo you can download to see if it meets your needs or not.  That's your work to do, not for others to do.

And, please, for the love of heaven, stop using a new, weird font with each and every passing message.
 
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moderated Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible! quicken sure was not.

Jenni Kent
 

The manual for that hasn’t been updated in a decade. How long has it been for the software?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 11:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Financial tracking software that is relatively cheap and accessible! quicken sure was not.

 

Corrected link to Money Talks download page at APH:  https://www.aph.org/product/money-talks-bank-account-management-software-digital-download/
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