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moderated Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

Richard Turner
 

Sieghard is obviously the authority on this, but if you have to use one of the switch keys f1, f2, or f3, to connect to the Windows 7 machine, then you are stuck with 3 devices only.

If there is a separate button for the Dongle connection, then you should be able to follow the standard Bluetooth pairing steps to connect to the 4th device with the remaining f key.

 

 

 

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 6:15 AM
To: jfw list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

Hello, again, everyone.

 

So far, I have successfully paired my new Logitec K780 bluetooth keyboard to my two office computers.  I had to use the USB dongle to pair my older Windows 7 machine, but was able to do a bluetooth pairing for my newer Windows 10 computer.  I also plan to pair the keyboard with my Polaris Braille note-taker.

 

Once the Polaris pairing is done, this will mean that I have interfaced the keyboard with three devices so far.

 

I believe I read that if you use the dongle for one device, you can theoretically pair the keyboard with four devices.

 

Is this true?

 

If so, how can it be done, because I think there are only three device-selection buttons on the K780.

 

If I can pair to a fourth device, I’d like to try the keyboard with my IPhone 8.

 

In closing, I want to thank everyone for all of your patience as I sort things out here with the K780 keyboard.  I realize that the thread might have been slightly off topic, so your tolerance is very much appreciated.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

moderated Another Logitec K780 Question

Tom Behler
 

Hello, again, everyone.

 

So far, I have successfully paired my new Logitec K780 bluetooth keyboard to my two office computers.  I had to use the USB dongle to pair my older Windows 7 machine, but was able to do a bluetooth pairing for my newer Windows 10 computer.  I also plan to pair the keyboard with my Polaris Braille note-taker.

 

Once the Polaris pairing is done, this will mean that I have interfaced the keyboard with three devices so far.

 

I believe I read that if you use the dongle for one device, you can theoretically pair the keyboard with four devices.

 

Is this true?

 

If so, how can it be done, because I think there are only three device-selection buttons on the K780.

 

If I can pair to a fourth device, I’d like to try the keyboard with my IPhone 8.

 

In closing, I want to thank everyone for all of your patience as I sort things out here with the K780 keyboard.  I realize that the thread might have been slightly off topic, so your tolerance is very much appreciated.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

moderated Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

Richard Turner
 

My understanding is that the software is only required if you are connecting to Windows devices.

Ray, you didn’t say what your devices are; or did I miss part of the note?

 

 

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 6:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Ray:

 

Others with more experience may hav better info, but I think you do have to install and run the optional Logitec software in order for the keyboard to work correctly.

 

Installing the software does seem to require sighted assistance, though, so keep that in mind.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray T. Mahorney via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 5:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

I tried that keyboard but could not work out how to switch it between devices. What did I miss and is it necessary to run the Logitech software with it?

 

Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2019 18:30

Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hi Tom,

 

If you want portable/compact the Logitech K780 is probably your best choice. It’s heavy because it’s made heavy since you can stand an iPad up in a channel which runs across from left to right above the function keys, but while it has a full numeric pad, it’s still fairly compact because it does not have the big gap you find on a full-size keyboard with the 6-pack and inverted cursor T. The K780 actually has the inverted cursor T, but it’s underneath the right shift key, think of the shift and enter key being the width of 3 other keys so the left arrow, down arrow and right arrow take up the same space as the shift key and in height the down arrow and up arrow above it are I think also the same height as the shift key.

The nice thing with this keyboard is that it is a Bluetooth keyboard, but it also comes with Logitech’s tiny unifying USB receiver so if you have a computer without Bluetooth (most likely your Windows 7 computer won’t have it), you can plug in the little dongle and use your Windows 7 PC that way and you can pair your Windows 1 PC which hopefully has Bluetooth via Bluetooth.

You can pair up to 3 devices with that keyboard so you could even pair it with your iPhone as a third device and all you have to do is press F1, F2 and F3 to switch between device 1, device 2 and device 3.

The one issue is that the function keys will not work as regular function keys unless you install the Logitech Options software where you can change this. It’s not a very accessible install, but if you have sighted help it only takes a minute or less and once installed and once you check the little checkbox to use the function keys you can just forget about it.

If you do this then on a Windows PC you have to press FN along with F1, F2 or F3 to switch devices, but if, for example FN + F3 switches to you riPhone, then in order to switch back to one of your Windows computer you only press F1 or F2 since iOS won’t require the FN key.

 

Having said all this, there is also a new full-size new Logitech keyboard and mouse combo I just read about. It is the Logitech MK850 and it can do 2 devices, also Bluetooth or USB dongle connectivity, also with regular batteries, I think 1 AA for the mouse and 2 AAA for the keyboard. The link I provided is for Best Buy Canada, but I’m sure you can easily find it on Best Buy or Amazon in the States, it is on Black Friday special for $79.95 Canadian so I assume in the States this may only be $59.99.

 

Lastly, there is the Logitech G613 which is a wireless mechanical gaming keyboard, but it of course is full-size and fairly heavy, but it has Windows keys both on the left and right of the spacebar, a working application key menu and you can also switch between Bluetooth and a USB dongle connection with a mechanical slider switch. It’s a very nice keyboard, I have the original version with the Romer G switches which I don’t like as much as the Cherry Blue switches I have on my other mechanical keyboards which are wired and from the “Das Keyboard” brand. I could have sworn the other day I stumbled across a G613 version with Blue switches but now I can’t seem to find it any more. The one I have I think is also on sale for $99 Canadian which means probably $79.99 US.

 

I am typing this on a Logitech K780 by the way which is my main keyboard I use at home with my laptop and for my iPhone if I need a keyboard there from time to time. I just saw both Best Buy Canada and Amazon Canada have it on sale for $73.98 which is also a good price, probably also $59.99 US or maybe even $49.99 in some places.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:00 AM
To: jfw list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hello, everyone.

 

I hope this quiry will not be considered to be off topic for the list, since it does have implications for much of the computer work that I do.

 

Basically, I’m wondering if anyone has any recommendations for a good and reliable bluetooth keyboard.

 

I plan to use the keyboard for various purposes on both my main windows 10 computer, and the older Windows 7 computer I use for ham radio purposes.

 

I don’t know a whole lot about bluetooth keyboards, but here are a few requirements I’m thinking about:

 

1.  I’d like the keyboard to be easily paired with both my computers an a fairly blind-friendly and straight-forward way

 

2.  I’d like to be able to easily switch from one device to the next

 

3.  Even though this is not totally necessary, I’d prefer that the batteries for the keyboard be replaceable, rather than built-in.  Or, at the very least, I’d like to be able to charge any batteries easily and reliably.

 

4.  I’d like the keyboard to be fairly portable, and to include the number pad.

 

5.  I’d like the cost to be reasonable, but not exorbitant, since this is an optional computer accessory.

 

I realize that this might be a tall order, but thought I’d give it a try here.  Some have recommended Logitec keyboards as a good fit for my needs, but I don’t know much about them.

 

Thanks for any assistance.

 

Tom Behler

moderated Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

Tom Behler
 

Ray:

 

Others with more experience may hav better info, but I think you do have to install and run the optional Logitec software in order for the keyboard to work correctly.

 

Installing the software does seem to require sighted assistance, though, so keep that in mind.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray T. Mahorney via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 5:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

I tried that keyboard but could not work out how to switch it between devices. What did I miss and is it necessary to run the Logitech software with it?

 

Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2019 18:30

Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hi Tom,

 

If you want portable/compact the Logitech K780 is probably your best choice. It’s heavy because it’s made heavy since you can stand an iPad up in a channel which runs across from left to right above the function keys, but while it has a full numeric pad, it’s still fairly compact because it does not have the big gap you find on a full-size keyboard with the 6-pack and inverted cursor T. The K780 actually has the inverted cursor T, but it’s underneath the right shift key, think of the shift and enter key being the width of 3 other keys so the left arrow, down arrow and right arrow take up the same space as the shift key and in height the down arrow and up arrow above it are I think also the same height as the shift key.

The nice thing with this keyboard is that it is a Bluetooth keyboard, but it also comes with Logitech’s tiny unifying USB receiver so if you have a computer without Bluetooth (most likely your Windows 7 computer won’t have it), you can plug in the little dongle and use your Windows 7 PC that way and you can pair your Windows 1 PC which hopefully has Bluetooth via Bluetooth.

You can pair up to 3 devices with that keyboard so you could even pair it with your iPhone as a third device and all you have to do is press F1, F2 and F3 to switch between device 1, device 2 and device 3.

The one issue is that the function keys will not work as regular function keys unless you install the Logitech Options software where you can change this. It’s not a very accessible install, but if you have sighted help it only takes a minute or less and once installed and once you check the little checkbox to use the function keys you can just forget about it.

If you do this then on a Windows PC you have to press FN along with F1, F2 or F3 to switch devices, but if, for example FN + F3 switches to you riPhone, then in order to switch back to one of your Windows computer you only press F1 or F2 since iOS won’t require the FN key.

 

Having said all this, there is also a new full-size new Logitech keyboard and mouse combo I just read about. It is the Logitech MK850 and it can do 2 devices, also Bluetooth or USB dongle connectivity, also with regular batteries, I think 1 AA for the mouse and 2 AAA for the keyboard. The link I provided is for Best Buy Canada, but I’m sure you can easily find it on Best Buy or Amazon in the States, it is on Black Friday special for $79.95 Canadian so I assume in the States this may only be $59.99.

 

Lastly, there is the Logitech G613 which is a wireless mechanical gaming keyboard, but it of course is full-size and fairly heavy, but it has Windows keys both on the left and right of the spacebar, a working application key menu and you can also switch between Bluetooth and a USB dongle connection with a mechanical slider switch. It’s a very nice keyboard, I have the original version with the Romer G switches which I don’t like as much as the Cherry Blue switches I have on my other mechanical keyboards which are wired and from the “Das Keyboard” brand. I could have sworn the other day I stumbled across a G613 version with Blue switches but now I can’t seem to find it any more. The one I have I think is also on sale for $99 Canadian which means probably $79.99 US.

 

I am typing this on a Logitech K780 by the way which is my main keyboard I use at home with my laptop and for my iPhone if I need a keyboard there from time to time. I just saw both Best Buy Canada and Amazon Canada have it on sale for $73.98 which is also a good price, probably also $59.99 US or maybe even $49.99 in some places.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:00 AM
To: jfw list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hello, everyone.

 

I hope this quiry will not be considered to be off topic for the list, since it does have implications for much of the computer work that I do.

 

Basically, I’m wondering if anyone has any recommendations for a good and reliable bluetooth keyboard.

 

I plan to use the keyboard for various purposes on both my main windows 10 computer, and the older Windows 7 computer I use for ham radio purposes.

 

I don’t know a whole lot about bluetooth keyboards, but here are a few requirements I’m thinking about:

 

1.  I’d like the keyboard to be easily paired with both my computers an a fairly blind-friendly and straight-forward way

 

2.  I’d like to be able to easily switch from one device to the next

 

3.  Even though this is not totally necessary, I’d prefer that the batteries for the keyboard be replaceable, rather than built-in.  Or, at the very least, I’d like to be able to charge any batteries easily and reliably.

 

4.  I’d like the keyboard to be fairly portable, and to include the number pad.

 

5.  I’d like the cost to be reasonable, but not exorbitant, since this is an optional computer accessory.

 

I realize that this might be a tall order, but thought I’d give it a try here.  Some have recommended Logitec keyboards as a good fit for my needs, but I don’t know much about them.

 

Thanks for any assistance.

 

Tom Behler

moderated JAWS and Slack

Rollin Hippler
 

Is anyone using JAWS to interact with the slack.com client application?


I'm trying to use it, but finding it quite difficult to navigate.  Any suggestions on how to use it productively would be really appreciated.


Rollin

moderated Re: Logitec K780 Question

Tom Behler
 

Sieghard:

 

As you already may have seen, I did find that check box, and am now all set.

 

Thanks so much for your patience!

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 11:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logitec K780 Question

 

That is not the case with this keyboard, on my Asus laptop the function keys behave as expected, e.g. F1 is Help, F10 pressed with Shift is the application key menu, Jaws Key + F7 brings up the list of links etc. and there is no need to press the FN key.

When I received my K780 the function keys were all doing their alternate media control functions, e.g. F10 is Mute, F11 volume down, F12 volume up etc.

Tom, after installing Logitech Options you have to run the software, if I do this I start out on the Keyboard tab, the other tab in this app is the Easy Switch Tab where you can see which device you have on F1, which is on F2 and which is on F3 (provided you have 2 or 3 devices paired).

Here is Jaws speech history when I start tabbing:

 

Keyboard Tab selected
K780 Multi-Device Keyboard
Log in Button‑
0 Button‑
r Button‑
MORE Button‑
Restore defaults Button‑
Button‑ not checked‑
Button‑ not checked‑
Button‑ not checked‑
Button‑ not checked‑
Use F1 - F12 as standard function keys check box‑ checked‑
K780 Multi-Device Keyboard
Add devices Button

 

I think I had to tab 10 or 11 times to get to the “Use F1 - F12 as standard function keys” checkbox, in your case this is unchecked, press the spacebar to check it and then you are good to go. You may have to tab a bunch more times to see if there is an OK button, can’t remember if there is or if you can just close the application.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

moderated Re: Logitec K780 Question

Tom Behler
 

Glenn:

 

With some effort, I actually was able to get the function keys to work the way I want them to.

 

I had to go into the Logitec Options software that I installed when I activated the keyboard and check a box that said something like use the standard function keys.

 

Once I did this, I was fine.

 

The Windows function keys now work normally as they should.

 

If I want to do something like switch to another device, raise or lower the volume level, etc.,  I simply have to hold down the FN key on the keyboard and then use the function key I need for what I want to do.

 

So, all is well now.

 

By the way, I really love the Logitech K780!

 

I wish I had bought one years ago, and at yesterday’s price of $39 US, it was an excellent bargain.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 9:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logitec K780 Question

 

Hi Tom,

Do the F-keys work on the laptop as you would like, or do you have to press the FN key on that as well?

The reason I ask is that the keyboard should only do what your computer would do.

You may have to disable this in the BIOS of that computer.

HTH.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 7:57 PM

Subject: Logitec K780 Question

 

Hello, Everyone.

 

I originally wanted to write off list to Sieghard, but can’t seem to retrieve his personal address from the below e-mail, so I’ll certainly welcome anyone’s response.

 

I have successfully paired my Logitec K780 keyboard with my new Windows 10 laptop via bluetooth, and also have paired it wirelessly with my older Windows 7 computer via the dongle that was provided with the keyboard.

 

To those of you who have Logitec K780 bluetooth keyboards, I have a question, though:

 

As we know, the function keys on the top of the Logitec K780 are used for many different functions, including selecting the devices to which the keyboard is paired, controling the volume level, etc.

 

The only way I can convert those function keys to the standard Windows function keys (F1 through F12) is to hold down the FN key on the lower lefthand corner of the keyboard.  This can become rather awkward when, for example, closing a Word document with Control F4 or closing an app with Alt F4.

 

We installed the logitec options software, but that has not solved this issue.

 

Is there any way to lock in the function keys so they remain the standard windows function keys, so I don’t have to press the FN key whenever I want to do something involving those standard Windows function keys? I can do this on my Windows 10 PC by toggling them on or off via the FN and escape keys.

 

Thanks for any assistance.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 6:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hi Tom,

 

If you want portable/compact the Logitech K780 is probably your best choice. It’s heavy because it’s made heavy since you can stand an iPad up in a channel which runs across from left to right above the function keys, but while it has a full numeric pad, it’s still fairly compact because it does not have the big gap you find on a full-size keyboard with the 6-pack and inverted cursor T. The K780 actually has the inverted cursor T, but it’s underneath the right shift key, think of the shift and enter key being the width of 3 other keys so the left arrow, down arrow and right arrow take up the same space as the shift key and in height the down arrow and up arrow above it are I think also the same height as the shift key.

The nice thing with this keyboard is that it is a Bluetooth keyboard, but it also comes with Logitech’s tiny unifying USB receiver so if you have a computer without Bluetooth (most likely your Windows 7 computer won’t have it), you can plug in the little dongle and use your Windows 7 PC that way and you can pair your Windows 1 PC which hopefully has Bluetooth via Bluetooth.

You can pair up to 3 devices with that keyboard so you could even pair it with your iPhone as a third device and all you have to do is press F1, F2 and F3 to switch between device 1, device 2 and device 3.

The one issue is that the function keys will not work as regular function keys unless you install the Logitech Options software where you can change this. It’s not a very accessible install, but if you have sighted help it only takes a minute or less and once installed and once you check the little checkbox to use the function keys you can just forget about it.

If you do this then on a Windows PC you have to press FN along with F1, F2 or F3 to switch devices, but if, for example FN + F3 switches to you riPhone, then in order to switch back to one of your Windows computer you only press F1 or F2 since iOS won’t require the FN key.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

moderated Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

Ray T. Mahorney
 

I tried that keyboard but could not work out how to switch it between devices. What did I miss and is it necessary to run the Logitech software with it?
 

Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2019 18:30
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations
 

Hi Tom,

 

If you want portable/compact the Logitech K780 is probably your best choice. It’s heavy because it’s made heavy since you can stand an iPad up in a channel which runs across from left to right above the function keys, but while it has a full numeric pad, it’s still fairly compact because it does not have the big gap you find on a full-size keyboard with the 6-pack and inverted cursor T. The K780 actually has the inverted cursor T, but it’s underneath the right shift key, think of the shift and enter key being the width of 3 other keys so the left arrow, down arrow and right arrow take up the same space as the shift key and in height the down arrow and up arrow above it are I think also the same height as the shift key.

The nice thing with this keyboard is that it is a Bluetooth keyboard, but it also comes with Logitech’s tiny unifying USB receiver so if you have a computer without Bluetooth (most likely your Windows 7 computer won’t have it), you can plug in the little dongle and use your Windows 7 PC that way and you can pair your Windows 1 PC which hopefully has Bluetooth via Bluetooth.

You can pair up to 3 devices with that keyboard so you could even pair it with your iPhone as a third device and all you have to do is press F1, F2 and F3 to switch between device 1, device 2 and device 3.

The one issue is that the function keys will not work as regular function keys unless you install the Logitech Options software where you can change this. It’s not a very accessible install, but if you have sighted help it only takes a minute or less and once installed and once you check the little checkbox to use the function keys you can just forget about it.

If you do this then on a Windows PC you have to press FN along with F1, F2 or F3 to switch devices, but if, for example FN + F3 switches to you riPhone, then in order to switch back to one of your Windows computer you only press F1 or F2 since iOS won’t require the FN key.

 

Having said all this, there is also a new full-size new Logitech keyboard and mouse combo I just read about. It is the Logitech MK850 and it can do 2 devices, also Bluetooth or USB dongle connectivity, also with regular batteries, I think 1 AA for the mouse and 2 AAA for the keyboard. The link I provided is for Best Buy Canada, but I’m sure you can easily find it on Best Buy or Amazon in the States, it is on Black Friday special for $79.95 Canadian so I assume in the States this may only be $59.99.

 

Lastly, there is the Logitech G613 which is a wireless mechanical gaming keyboard, but it of course is full-size and fairly heavy, but it has Windows keys both on the left and right of the spacebar, a working application key menu and you can also switch between Bluetooth and a USB dongle connection with a mechanical slider switch. It’s a very nice keyboard, I have the original version with the Romer G switches which I don’t like as much as the Cherry Blue switches I have on my other mechanical keyboards which are wired and from the “Das Keyboard” brand. I could have sworn the other day I stumbled across a G613 version with Blue switches but now I can’t seem to find it any more. The one I have I think is also on sale for $99 Canadian which means probably $79.99 US.

 

I am typing this on a Logitech K780 by the way which is my main keyboard I use at home with my laptop and for my iPhone if I need a keyboard there from time to time. I just saw both Best Buy Canada and Amazon Canada have it on sale for $73.98 which is also a good price, probably also $59.99 US or maybe even $49.99 in some places.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:00 AM
To: jfw list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hello, everyone.

 

I hope this quiry will not be considered to be off topic for the list, since it does have implications for much of the computer work that I do.

 

Basically, I’m wondering if anyone has any recommendations for a good and reliable bluetooth keyboard.

 

I plan to use the keyboard for various purposes on both my main windows 10 computer, and the older Windows 7 computer I use for ham radio purposes.

 

I don’t know a whole lot about bluetooth keyboards, but here are a few requirements I’m thinking about:

 

1.  I’d like the keyboard to be easily paired with both my computers an a fairly blind-friendly and straight-forward way

 

2.  I’d like to be able to easily switch from one device to the next

 

3.  Even though this is not totally necessary, I’d prefer that the batteries for the keyboard be replaceable, rather than built-in.  Or, at the very least, I’d like to be able to charge any batteries easily and reliably.

 

4.  I’d like the keyboard to be fairly portable, and to include the number pad.

 

5.  I’d like the cost to be reasonable, but not exorbitant, since this is an optional computer accessory.

 

I realize that this might be a tall order, but thought I’d give it a try here.  Some have recommended Logitec keyboards as a good fit for my needs, but I don’t know much about them.

 

Thanks for any assistance.

 

Tom Behler

moderated Outlook freezes when searching any prior email with JAWS

ARORA Meesha
 

Hi,

I work on group mailbox and personal mailbox in my workplace and frequently need to search a particular earlier email. The trouble is it hangs the outlook and have to restart it usually everytime I search any email. I think it could be due to the fact it has to search large number of emails…

Does it happen to any of you as well?

I use JAWS 2020 on Outlook 2016. And I have 8 GB RAM.

I had the same issue with JAWS 2019 as well.

In fact, the same happens if I open any heavy excel file with several tabs, it also freezes and have to restart the same.

Thanks,

Meesha

moderated Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

The switch on the K780 is on the right side, if it is pushed towards the back of the keyboard it’s on, if you pull it forward it’s off.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 11:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Thanks, Richard.

 

I’ll let you and everyone know how things go here.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 2:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

If it is like the other Logitech keyboards, it has a physical on/off switch on the back.

If batteries are included, make sure the plastic strip that breaks contact is removed.

 

I always just tap the caps lock key until I hear a response after pairing.

I’ve not paired to a Windows machine, so maybe it gives you a confirmation.

 

 

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 10:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Sieghard:

 

What you have given me here has been very helpful, so thank you very much.

 

I actually just picked up a Logitec K780 and will try to get it set up later today.

 

I have two more questions if you don’t mind:

 

1.  Other than seeing if it works or not, how can you tell whether the keyboard is on or off?  I think there’s a light for sighted ppeople, but that obviously won’t work for me.

 

And

 

2.  What kind of indication to we get as to whether pairing actually has occurred?  Once again, I’m going to try to pair the keyboard with my Windows 7 PC, possibly my Windows 10 PC, and my Hims Polaris note-taker.  I also might eventually try pairing with my iPhone, but that is a secondary concern to me now.

 

If you have any other hints or tips to give me, please feel free.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hi Tom,

 

I guess it’s all about how you get used to things, I never use the home/end and Page Up/Down keys on the 6-pack since I find it more convenient to use them on the numeric pad, e.g. I press Numpad 7 or Control Numpad 7 if I want Home or Control + Home and Numpad 1 or Control Numpad 1 if I want End or Control + End. The same goes for Numpad 3 for Page Down and Numpad 9 for Page Up.

As for the application key Shift + F10 does the same as the Application Key, in fact, Shift + F10 gives you the so-called extended context menu which often has  more options than just pressing the application key.

Before I recently purchased mechanical keyboards at my store I had Logitech keyboard/mouse combos for years and none of them had an application key or a right Windows key and even now that I have them I have to make a conscious effort to use them again although I am starting to get more accustomed to it again.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 5:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Sieghard:

 

Thanks for all of this great information.

 

I now have two questions:

 

1.  If you don’t have the six-pack containing the home and end keys, how do you get to the top and bottom of a document on a Windows 7 or 10 computer, using Jaws?  I use the control home and control end commands to accomplish this.

 

2.  If you don’t have an applications key, how do you get to the context menus like we do with Jaws for many applications?  Can you use shift F10 for this purpose?

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 6:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hi Tom,

 

If you want portable/compact the Logitech K780 is probably your best choice. It’s heavy because it’s made heavy since you can stand an iPad up in a channel which runs across from left to right above the function keys, but while it has a full numeric pad, it’s still fairly compact because it does not have the big gap you find on a full-size keyboard with the 6-pack and inverted cursor T. The K780 actually has the inverted cursor T, but it’s underneath the right shift key, think of the shift and enter key being the width of 3 other keys so the left arrow, down arrow and right arrow take up the same space as the shift key and in height the down arrow and up arrow above it are I think also the same height as the shift key.

The nice thing with this keyboard is that it is a Bluetooth keyboard, but it also comes with Logitech’s tiny unifying USB receiver so if you have a computer without Bluetooth (most likely your Windows 7 computer won’t have it), you can plug in the little dongle and use your Windows 7 PC that way and you can pair your Windows 1 PC which hopefully has Bluetooth via Bluetooth.

You can pair up to 3 devices with that keyboard so you could even pair it with your iPhone as a third device and all you have to do is press F1, F2 and F3 to switch between device 1, device 2 and device 3.

The one issue is that the function keys will not work as regular function keys unless you install the Logitech Options software where you can change this. It’s not a very accessible install, but if you have sighted help it only takes a minute or less and once installed and once you check the little checkbox to use the function keys you can just forget about it.

If you do this then on a Windows PC you have to press FN along with F1, F2 or F3 to switch devices, but if, for example FN + F3 switches to you riPhone, then in order to switch back to one of your Windows computer you only press F1 or F2 since iOS won’t require the FN key.

 

Having said all this, there is also a new full-size new Logitech keyboard and mouse combo I just read about. It is the Logitech MK850 and it can do 2 devices, also Bluetooth or USB dongle connectivity, also with regular batteries, I think 1 AA for the mouse and 2 AAA for the keyboard. The link I provided is for Best Buy Canada, but I’m sure you can easily find it on Best Buy or Amazon in the States, it is on Black Friday special for $79.95 Canadian so I assume in the States this may only be $59.99.

 

Lastly, there is the Logitech G613 which is a wireless mechanical gaming keyboard, but it of course is full-size and fairly heavy, but it has Windows keys both on the left and right of the spacebar, a working application key menu and you can also switch between Bluetooth and a USB dongle connection with a mechanical slider switch. It’s a very nice keyboard, I have the original version with the Romer G switches which I don’t like as much as the Cherry Blue switches I have on my other mechanical keyboards which are wired and from the “Das Keyboard” brand. I could have sworn the other day I stumbled across a G613 version with Blue switches but now I can’t seem to find it any more. The one I have I think is also on sale for $99 Canadian which means probably $79.99 US.

 

I am typing this on a Logitech K780 by the way which is my main keyboard I use at home with my laptop and for my iPhone if I need a keyboard there from time to time. I just saw both Best Buy Canada and Amazon Canada have it on sale for $73.98 which is also a good price, probably also $59.99 US or maybe even $49.99 in some places.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:00 AM
To: jfw list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hello, everyone.

 

I hope this quiry will not be considered to be off topic for the list, since it does have implications for much of the computer work that I do.

 

Basically, I’m wondering if anyone has any recommendations for a good and reliable bluetooth keyboard.

 

I plan to use the keyboard for various purposes on both my main windows 10 computer, and the older Windows 7 computer I use for ham radio purposes.

 

I don’t know a whole lot about bluetooth keyboards, but here are a few requirements I’m thinking about:

 

1.  I’d like the keyboard to be easily paired with both my computers an a fairly blind-friendly and straight-forward way

 

2.  I’d like to be able to easily switch from one device to the next

 

3.  Even though this is not totally necessary, I’d prefer that the batteries for the keyboard be replaceable, rather than built-in.  Or, at the very least, I’d like to be able to charge any batteries easily and reliably.

 

4.  I’d like the keyboard to be fairly portable, and to include the number pad.

 

5.  I’d like the cost to be reasonable, but not exorbitant, since this is an optional computer accessory.

 

I realize that this might be a tall order, but thought I’d give it a try here.  Some have recommended Logitec keyboards as a good fit for my needs, but I don’t know much about them.

 

Thanks for any assistance.

 

Tom Behler

moderated Re: Logitec K780 Question

 

That is not the case with this keyboard, on my Asus laptop the function keys behave as expected, e.g. F1 is Help, F10 pressed with Shift is the application key menu, Jaws Key + F7 brings up the list of links etc. and there is no need to press the FN key.

When I received my K780 the function keys were all doing their alternate media control functions, e.g. F10 is Mute, F11 volume down, F12 volume up etc.

Tom, after installing Logitech Options you have to run the software, if I do this I start out on the Keyboard tab, the other tab in this app is the Easy Switch Tab where you can see which device you have on F1, which is on F2 and which is on F3 (provided you have 2 or 3 devices paired).

Here is Jaws speech history when I start tabbing:

 

Keyboard Tab selected
K780 Multi-Device Keyboard
Log in Button‑
0 Button‑
r Button‑
MORE Button‑
Restore defaults Button‑
Button‑ not checked‑
Button‑ not checked‑
Button‑ not checked‑
Button‑ not checked‑
Use F1 - F12 as standard function keys check box‑ checked‑
K780 Multi-Device Keyboard
Add devices Button

 

I think I had to tab 10 or 11 times to get to the “Use F1 - F12 as standard function keys” checkbox, in your case this is unchecked, press the spacebar to check it and then you are good to go. You may have to tab a bunch more times to see if there is an OK button, can’t remember if there is or if you can just close the application.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

moderated the new edge browser

William Vandervest
 

Is there a way to navigate by pressing the “G” button like in I e 11, I can’t get it to work in edge, chrome or firefox?

Thanks

 

 

 

William Vandervest

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moderated Re: Logitec K780 Question

Glenn / Lenny
 

Hi Tom,
Do the F-keys work on the laptop as you would like, or do you have to press the FN key on that as well?
The reason I ask is that the keyboard should only do what your computer would do.
You may have to disable this in the BIOS of that computer.
HTH.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 7:57 PM
Subject: Logitec K780 Question

Hello, Everyone.

 

I originally wanted to write off list to Sieghard, but can’t seem to retrieve his personal address from the below e-mail, so I’ll certainly welcome anyone’s response.

 

I have successfully paired my Logitec K780 keyboard with my new Windows 10 laptop via bluetooth, and also have paired it wirelessly with my older Windows 7 computer via the dongle that was provided with the keyboard.

 

To those of you who have Logitec K780 bluetooth keyboards, I have a question, though:

 

As we know, the function keys on the top of the Logitec K780 are used for many different functions, including selecting the devices to which the keyboard is paired, controling the volume level, etc.

 

The only way I can convert those function keys to the standard Windows function keys (F1 through F12) is to hold down the FN key on the lower lefthand corner of the keyboard.  This can become rather awkward when, for example, closing a Word document with Control F4 or closing an app with Alt F4.

 

We installed the logitec options software, but that has not solved this issue.

 

Is there any way to lock in the function keys so they remain the standard windows function keys, so I don’t have to press the FN key whenever I want to do something involving those standard Windows function keys? I can do this on my Windows 10 PC by toggling them on or off via the FN and escape keys.

 

Thanks for any assistance.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 6:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hi Tom,

 

If you want portable/compact the Logitech K780 is probably your best choice. It’s heavy because it’s made heavy since you can stand an iPad up in a channel which runs across from left to right above the function keys, but while it has a full numeric pad, it’s still fairly compact because it does not have the big gap you find on a full-size keyboard with the 6-pack and inverted cursor T. The K780 actually has the inverted cursor T, but it’s underneath the right shift key, think of the shift and enter key being the width of 3 other keys so the left arrow, down arrow and right arrow take up the same space as the shift key and in height the down arrow and up arrow above it are I think also the same height as the shift key.

The nice thing with this keyboard is that it is a Bluetooth keyboard, but it also comes with Logitech’s tiny unifying USB receiver so if you have a computer without Bluetooth (most likely your Windows 7 computer won’t have it), you can plug in the little dongle and use your Windows 7 PC that way and you can pair your Windows 1 PC which hopefully has Bluetooth via Bluetooth.

You can pair up to 3 devices with that keyboard so you could even pair it with your iPhone as a third device and all you have to do is press F1, F2 and F3 to switch between device 1, device 2 and device 3.

The one issue is that the function keys will not work as regular function keys unless you install the Logitech Options software where you can change this. It’s not a very accessible install, but if you have sighted help it only takes a minute or less and once installed and once you check the little checkbox to use the function keys you can just forget about it.

If you do this then on a Windows PC you have to press FN along with F1, F2 or F3 to switch devices, but if, for example FN + F3 switches to you riPhone, then in order to switch back to one of your Windows computer you only press F1 or F2 since iOS won’t require the FN key.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

moderated Logitec K780 Question

Tom Behler
 

Hello, Everyone.

 

I originally wanted to write off list to Sieghard, but can’t seem to retrieve his personal address from the below e-mail, so I’ll certainly welcome anyone’s response.

 

I have successfully paired my Logitec K780 keyboard with my new Windows 10 laptop via bluetooth, and also have paired it wirelessly with my older Windows 7 computer via the dongle that was provided with the keyboard.

 

To those of you who have Logitec K780 bluetooth keyboards, I have a question, though:

 

As we know, the function keys on the top of the Logitec K780 are used for many different functions, including selecting the devices to which the keyboard is paired, controling the volume level, etc.

 

The only way I can convert those function keys to the standard Windows function keys (F1 through F12) is to hold down the FN key on the lower lefthand corner of the keyboard.  This can become rather awkward when, for example, closing a Word document with Control F4 or closing an app with Alt F4.

 

We installed the logitec options software, but that has not solved this issue.

 

Is there any way to lock in the function keys so they remain the standard windows function keys, so I don’t have to press the FN key whenever I want to do something involving those standard Windows function keys? I can do this on my Windows 10 PC by toggling them on or off via the FN and escape keys.

 

Thanks for any assistance.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 6:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hi Tom,

 

If you want portable/compact the Logitech K780 is probably your best choice. It’s heavy because it’s made heavy since you can stand an iPad up in a channel which runs across from left to right above the function keys, but while it has a full numeric pad, it’s still fairly compact because it does not have the big gap you find on a full-size keyboard with the 6-pack and inverted cursor T. The K780 actually has the inverted cursor T, but it’s underneath the right shift key, think of the shift and enter key being the width of 3 other keys so the left arrow, down arrow and right arrow take up the same space as the shift key and in height the down arrow and up arrow above it are I think also the same height as the shift key.

The nice thing with this keyboard is that it is a Bluetooth keyboard, but it also comes with Logitech’s tiny unifying USB receiver so if you have a computer without Bluetooth (most likely your Windows 7 computer won’t have it), you can plug in the little dongle and use your Windows 7 PC that way and you can pair your Windows 1 PC which hopefully has Bluetooth via Bluetooth.

You can pair up to 3 devices with that keyboard so you could even pair it with your iPhone as a third device and all you have to do is press F1, F2 and F3 to switch between device 1, device 2 and device 3.

The one issue is that the function keys will not work as regular function keys unless you install the Logitech Options software where you can change this. It’s not a very accessible install, but if you have sighted help it only takes a minute or less and once installed and once you check the little checkbox to use the function keys you can just forget about it.

If you do this then on a Windows PC you have to press FN along with F1, F2 or F3 to switch devices, but if, for example FN + F3 switches to you riPhone, then in order to switch back to one of your Windows computer you only press F1 or F2 since iOS won’t require the FN key.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

moderated Re: Quick tip for Outlook, especially in using search

JM Casey
 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: December 2, 2019 2:02 PM
To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io) <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Quick tip for Outlook, especially in using search

 

I learned a quick tip on a Microsoft Accessibility webinar recently and have found it most useful when using the Search function in Outlook.  Wanted to share to benefit others.  I thought we needed to use F6 and Shift F6 to move between areas of the outlook window.  While this is true for some aspects, a really helpful shortcut is to use Control Tab to cycle between the main three areas,  the listview (such as your inbox), the mail folders treeview and the navigation bar.  This is a lot easier  for my fingers and cuts out several areas I don’t use.  Where this is most helpful is when using Control E to Search my messages or calendar.  Once I type the search term, I press Control Tab twice quickly to get to the listview to see my results.   Been working beautifully.

 

 

Using Outlook 365, but I get the pmpression tis is standard in all versions.

 

 

Robin

 



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moderated Re: Quick tip for Outlook, especially in using search

Richard Turner
 

One variation on this tip.  If you want to jump right to the search results, press shift+tab.

HTH,

 

 

Richard

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 11:02 AM
To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io) <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Quick tip for Outlook, especially in using search

 

I learned a quick tip on a Microsoft Accessibility webinar recently and have found it most useful when using the Search function in Outlook.  Wanted to share to benefit others.  I thought we needed to use F6 and Shift F6 to move between areas of the outlook window.  While this is true for some aspects, a really helpful shortcut is to use Control Tab to cycle between the main three areas,  the listview (such as your inbox), the mail folders treeview and the navigation bar.  This is a lot easier  for my fingers and cuts out several areas I don’t use.  Where this is most helpful is when using Control E to Search my messages or calendar.  Once I type the search term, I press Control Tab twice quickly to get to the listview to see my results.   Been working beautifully.

 

 

Using Outlook 365, but I get the pmpression tis is standard in all versions.

 

 

Robin

 



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moderated Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

Tom Behler
 

Thanks, Richard.

 

I’ll let you and everyone know how things go here.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 2:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

If it is like the other Logitech keyboards, it has a physical on/off switch on the back.

If batteries are included, make sure the plastic strip that breaks contact is removed.

 

I always just tap the caps lock key until I hear a response after pairing.

I’ve not paired to a Windows machine, so maybe it gives you a confirmation.

 

 

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 10:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Sieghard:

 

What you have given me here has been very helpful, so thank you very much.

 

I actually just picked up a Logitec K780 and will try to get it set up later today.

 

I have two more questions if you don’t mind:

 

1.  Other than seeing if it works or not, how can you tell whether the keyboard is on or off?  I think there’s a light for sighted ppeople, but that obviously won’t work for me.

 

And

 

2.  What kind of indication to we get as to whether pairing actually has occurred?  Once again, I’m going to try to pair the keyboard with my Windows 7 PC, possibly my Windows 10 PC, and my Hims Polaris note-taker.  I also might eventually try pairing with my iPhone, but that is a secondary concern to me now.

 

If you have any other hints or tips to give me, please feel free.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hi Tom,

 

I guess it’s all about how you get used to things, I never use the home/end and Page Up/Down keys on the 6-pack since I find it more convenient to use them on the numeric pad, e.g. I press Numpad 7 or Control Numpad 7 if I want Home or Control + Home and Numpad 1 or Control Numpad 1 if I want End or Control + End. The same goes for Numpad 3 for Page Down and Numpad 9 for Page Up.

As for the application key Shift + F10 does the same as the Application Key, in fact, Shift + F10 gives you the so-called extended context menu which often has  more options than just pressing the application key.

Before I recently purchased mechanical keyboards at my store I had Logitech keyboard/mouse combos for years and none of them had an application key or a right Windows key and even now that I have them I have to make a conscious effort to use them again although I am starting to get more accustomed to it again.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 5:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Sieghard:

 

Thanks for all of this great information.

 

I now have two questions:

 

1.  If you don’t have the six-pack containing the home and end keys, how do you get to the top and bottom of a document on a Windows 7 or 10 computer, using Jaws?  I use the control home and control end commands to accomplish this.

 

2.  If you don’t have an applications key, how do you get to the context menus like we do with Jaws for many applications?  Can you use shift F10 for this purpose?

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 6:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hi Tom,

 

If you want portable/compact the Logitech K780 is probably your best choice. It’s heavy because it’s made heavy since you can stand an iPad up in a channel which runs across from left to right above the function keys, but while it has a full numeric pad, it’s still fairly compact because it does not have the big gap you find on a full-size keyboard with the 6-pack and inverted cursor T. The K780 actually has the inverted cursor T, but it’s underneath the right shift key, think of the shift and enter key being the width of 3 other keys so the left arrow, down arrow and right arrow take up the same space as the shift key and in height the down arrow and up arrow above it are I think also the same height as the shift key.

The nice thing with this keyboard is that it is a Bluetooth keyboard, but it also comes with Logitech’s tiny unifying USB receiver so if you have a computer without Bluetooth (most likely your Windows 7 computer won’t have it), you can plug in the little dongle and use your Windows 7 PC that way and you can pair your Windows 1 PC which hopefully has Bluetooth via Bluetooth.

You can pair up to 3 devices with that keyboard so you could even pair it with your iPhone as a third device and all you have to do is press F1, F2 and F3 to switch between device 1, device 2 and device 3.

The one issue is that the function keys will not work as regular function keys unless you install the Logitech Options software where you can change this. It’s not a very accessible install, but if you have sighted help it only takes a minute or less and once installed and once you check the little checkbox to use the function keys you can just forget about it.

If you do this then on a Windows PC you have to press FN along with F1, F2 or F3 to switch devices, but if, for example FN + F3 switches to you riPhone, then in order to switch back to one of your Windows computer you only press F1 or F2 since iOS won’t require the FN key.

 

Having said all this, there is also a new full-size new Logitech keyboard and mouse combo I just read about. It is the Logitech MK850 and it can do 2 devices, also Bluetooth or USB dongle connectivity, also with regular batteries, I think 1 AA for the mouse and 2 AAA for the keyboard. The link I provided is for Best Buy Canada, but I’m sure you can easily find it on Best Buy or Amazon in the States, it is on Black Friday special for $79.95 Canadian so I assume in the States this may only be $59.99.

 

Lastly, there is the Logitech G613 which is a wireless mechanical gaming keyboard, but it of course is full-size and fairly heavy, but it has Windows keys both on the left and right of the spacebar, a working application key menu and you can also switch between Bluetooth and a USB dongle connection with a mechanical slider switch. It’s a very nice keyboard, I have the original version with the Romer G switches which I don’t like as much as the Cherry Blue switches I have on my other mechanical keyboards which are wired and from the “Das Keyboard” brand. I could have sworn the other day I stumbled across a G613 version with Blue switches but now I can’t seem to find it any more. The one I have I think is also on sale for $99 Canadian which means probably $79.99 US.

 

I am typing this on a Logitech K780 by the way which is my main keyboard I use at home with my laptop and for my iPhone if I need a keyboard there from time to time. I just saw both Best Buy Canada and Amazon Canada have it on sale for $73.98 which is also a good price, probably also $59.99 US or maybe even $49.99 in some places.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:00 AM
To: jfw list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hello, everyone.

 

I hope this quiry will not be considered to be off topic for the list, since it does have implications for much of the computer work that I do.

 

Basically, I’m wondering if anyone has any recommendations for a good and reliable bluetooth keyboard.

 

I plan to use the keyboard for various purposes on both my main windows 10 computer, and the older Windows 7 computer I use for ham radio purposes.

 

I don’t know a whole lot about bluetooth keyboards, but here are a few requirements I’m thinking about:

 

1.  I’d like the keyboard to be easily paired with both my computers an a fairly blind-friendly and straight-forward way

 

2.  I’d like to be able to easily switch from one device to the next

 

3.  Even though this is not totally necessary, I’d prefer that the batteries for the keyboard be replaceable, rather than built-in.  Or, at the very least, I’d like to be able to charge any batteries easily and reliably.

 

4.  I’d like the keyboard to be fairly portable, and to include the number pad.

 

5.  I’d like the cost to be reasonable, but not exorbitant, since this is an optional computer accessory.

 

I realize that this might be a tall order, but thought I’d give it a try here.  Some have recommended Logitec keyboards as a good fit for my needs, but I don’t know much about them.

 

Thanks for any assistance.

 

Tom Behler

moderated Quick tip for Outlook, especially in using search

Van Lant, Robin
 

I learned a quick tip on a Microsoft Accessibility webinar recently and have found it most useful when using the Search function in Outlook.  Wanted to share to benefit others.  I thought we needed to use F6 and Shift F6 to move between areas of the outlook window.  While this is true for some aspects, a really helpful shortcut is to use Control Tab to cycle between the main three areas,  the listview (such as your inbox), the mail folders treeview and the navigation bar.  This is a lot easier  for my fingers and cuts out several areas I don’t use.  Where this is most helpful is when using Control E to Search my messages or calendar.  Once I type the search term, I press Control Tab twice quickly to get to the listview to see my results.   Been working beautifully.

 

 

Using Outlook 365, but I get the pmpression tis is standard in all versions.

 

 

Robin

 



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moderated Re: Favorites redux

 

You can export from IE or any browser with an export function (and that's every one I've ever worked with in recent years) and import into any other with an import function.

In fact, most browser installers these days have a step where they ask you, explicitly, if you would like to import bookmarks/favorites (depending on the terminology used by that browser - both are the same thing) and from which one of your existing browsers you wish to import them.  The Edge Dev installer has this, and I'd have to believe that when it becomes the true new Edge that the first run of same will give the same prompt.

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moderated Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

Richard Turner
 

If it is like the other Logitech keyboards, it has a physical on/off switch on the back.

If batteries are included, make sure the plastic strip that breaks contact is removed.

 

I always just tap the caps lock key until I hear a response after pairing.

I’ve not paired to a Windows machine, so maybe it gives you a confirmation.

 

 

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 10:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Sieghard:

 

What you have given me here has been very helpful, so thank you very much.

 

I actually just picked up a Logitec K780 and will try to get it set up later today.

 

I have two more questions if you don’t mind:

 

1.  Other than seeing if it works or not, how can you tell whether the keyboard is on or off?  I think there’s a light for sighted ppeople, but that obviously won’t work for me.

 

And

 

2.  What kind of indication to we get as to whether pairing actually has occurred?  Once again, I’m going to try to pair the keyboard with my Windows 7 PC, possibly my Windows 10 PC, and my Hims Polaris note-taker.  I also might eventually try pairing with my iPhone, but that is a secondary concern to me now.

 

If you have any other hints or tips to give me, please feel free.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hi Tom,

 

I guess it’s all about how you get used to things, I never use the home/end and Page Up/Down keys on the 6-pack since I find it more convenient to use them on the numeric pad, e.g. I press Numpad 7 or Control Numpad 7 if I want Home or Control + Home and Numpad 1 or Control Numpad 1 if I want End or Control + End. The same goes for Numpad 3 for Page Down and Numpad 9 for Page Up.

As for the application key Shift + F10 does the same as the Application Key, in fact, Shift + F10 gives you the so-called extended context menu which often has  more options than just pressing the application key.

Before I recently purchased mechanical keyboards at my store I had Logitech keyboard/mouse combos for years and none of them had an application key or a right Windows key and even now that I have them I have to make a conscious effort to use them again although I am starting to get more accustomed to it again.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 5:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Sieghard:

 

Thanks for all of this great information.

 

I now have two questions:

 

1.  If you don’t have the six-pack containing the home and end keys, how do you get to the top and bottom of a document on a Windows 7 or 10 computer, using Jaws?  I use the control home and control end commands to accomplish this.

 

2.  If you don’t have an applications key, how do you get to the context menus like we do with Jaws for many applications?  Can you use shift F10 for this purpose?

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 6:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hi Tom,

 

If you want portable/compact the Logitech K780 is probably your best choice. It’s heavy because it’s made heavy since you can stand an iPad up in a channel which runs across from left to right above the function keys, but while it has a full numeric pad, it’s still fairly compact because it does not have the big gap you find on a full-size keyboard with the 6-pack and inverted cursor T. The K780 actually has the inverted cursor T, but it’s underneath the right shift key, think of the shift and enter key being the width of 3 other keys so the left arrow, down arrow and right arrow take up the same space as the shift key and in height the down arrow and up arrow above it are I think also the same height as the shift key.

The nice thing with this keyboard is that it is a Bluetooth keyboard, but it also comes with Logitech’s tiny unifying USB receiver so if you have a computer without Bluetooth (most likely your Windows 7 computer won’t have it), you can plug in the little dongle and use your Windows 7 PC that way and you can pair your Windows 1 PC which hopefully has Bluetooth via Bluetooth.

You can pair up to 3 devices with that keyboard so you could even pair it with your iPhone as a third device and all you have to do is press F1, F2 and F3 to switch between device 1, device 2 and device 3.

The one issue is that the function keys will not work as regular function keys unless you install the Logitech Options software where you can change this. It’s not a very accessible install, but if you have sighted help it only takes a minute or less and once installed and once you check the little checkbox to use the function keys you can just forget about it.

If you do this then on a Windows PC you have to press FN along with F1, F2 or F3 to switch devices, but if, for example FN + F3 switches to you riPhone, then in order to switch back to one of your Windows computer you only press F1 or F2 since iOS won’t require the FN key.

 

Having said all this, there is also a new full-size new Logitech keyboard and mouse combo I just read about. It is the Logitech MK850 and it can do 2 devices, also Bluetooth or USB dongle connectivity, also with regular batteries, I think 1 AA for the mouse and 2 AAA for the keyboard. The link I provided is for Best Buy Canada, but I’m sure you can easily find it on Best Buy or Amazon in the States, it is on Black Friday special for $79.95 Canadian so I assume in the States this may only be $59.99.

 

Lastly, there is the Logitech G613 which is a wireless mechanical gaming keyboard, but it of course is full-size and fairly heavy, but it has Windows keys both on the left and right of the spacebar, a working application key menu and you can also switch between Bluetooth and a USB dongle connection with a mechanical slider switch. It’s a very nice keyboard, I have the original version with the Romer G switches which I don’t like as much as the Cherry Blue switches I have on my other mechanical keyboards which are wired and from the “Das Keyboard” brand. I could have sworn the other day I stumbled across a G613 version with Blue switches but now I can’t seem to find it any more. The one I have I think is also on sale for $99 Canadian which means probably $79.99 US.

 

I am typing this on a Logitech K780 by the way which is my main keyboard I use at home with my laptop and for my iPhone if I need a keyboard there from time to time. I just saw both Best Buy Canada and Amazon Canada have it on sale for $73.98 which is also a good price, probably also $59.99 US or maybe even $49.99 in some places.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:00 AM
To: jfw list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hello, everyone.

 

I hope this quiry will not be considered to be off topic for the list, since it does have implications for much of the computer work that I do.

 

Basically, I’m wondering if anyone has any recommendations for a good and reliable bluetooth keyboard.

 

I plan to use the keyboard for various purposes on both my main windows 10 computer, and the older Windows 7 computer I use for ham radio purposes.

 

I don’t know a whole lot about bluetooth keyboards, but here are a few requirements I’m thinking about:

 

1.  I’d like the keyboard to be easily paired with both my computers an a fairly blind-friendly and straight-forward way

 

2.  I’d like to be able to easily switch from one device to the next

 

3.  Even though this is not totally necessary, I’d prefer that the batteries for the keyboard be replaceable, rather than built-in.  Or, at the very least, I’d like to be able to charge any batteries easily and reliably.

 

4.  I’d like the keyboard to be fairly portable, and to include the number pad.

 

5.  I’d like the cost to be reasonable, but not exorbitant, since this is an optional computer accessory.

 

I realize that this might be a tall order, but thought I’d give it a try here.  Some have recommended Logitec keyboards as a good fit for my needs, but I don’t know much about them.

 

Thanks for any assistance.

 

Tom Behler