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Latest JAWS consuming higher than normal memory?

James Homuth
 

Hey all,

 

So I installed the latest version of JAWS on this laptop 2 days ago. It’s been running overnight now because I’m using it for work, and I’m noticing something odd. Usually JAWS occupies around 200 MB or so of RAM, tops. At the minute, it’s up around 4 GB of RAM. I mean, I have 16 so that’s not a huge issue, but that seems slightly odd. Anyone else having this problem? This is on Windows 10’s latest build.

Latest JAWS consuming higher than normal memory?

James Homuth
 

Hey all,

 

So I installed the latest version of JAWS on this laptop 2 days ago. It’s been running overnight now because I’m using it for work, and I’m noticing something odd. Usually JAWS occupies around 200 MB or so of RAM, tops. At the minute, it’s up around 4 GB of RAM. I mean, I have 16 so that’s not a huge issue, but that seems slightly odd. Anyone else having this problem? This is on Windows 10’s latest build.

Re: Finding Alternates to MS Word

Glenn / Lenny
 

I had no problems with Libra and Jaws 2019.
Glenn

From: JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: Finding Alternates to MS Word

The last time I took a stab, I was kind of frustrated that the menus do not automatically read with my JFW version at least (2018) and you have to use the JAWS cursor if you want to go through choices. If you know how many times to arrow or if you know the keyboard shortcuts, that’s no problem really, but I was new to the programme and didn’t know any of that. The menus did read automatically in NVDA as I remember. And maybe newer JAWS VERSIONS WORK MORE RESPONSIVELY WITH Libre.

 

If not…

You can use Openoffice. It is not updated with the frequency that Libre is, but it is very similar, and as far as I know is not actually *dead*. The Writer appears to work quite well with JAWS.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: March 19, 2020 7:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Finding Alternates to MS Word

 

There are a whole set of tutorials on using Libre Office Writer on the following link.

They assume using NVDA but I  imagine most if not all of it will be transferable to Jaws also.

http://www.talking-computers.org.uk/jimonlibreoffice.html

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: 19 March 2020 22:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Finding Alternates to MS Word

 

Yes, Jaws works very well with jart and liberal office as well. I like using jart a lot, have a great day.

 

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 6:21 PM ann <tate886@...> wrote:

Hi,


Does anyone know if Jaws 2020 works with alternate word processors like
Jarte or OpenOffice or Libre Office? I'm looking for alternate to MS Word.


Thanks,

~Ann



Re: Finding Alternates to MS Word

Pramit
 

Hi Ann,

All the alternate MS Word processors that you have mentioned works with JAWS.
Know several JAWS user using these. So any one of these will work for you.

Pramit 
 

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 3:51 AM ann <tate886@...> wrote:
Hi,


Does anyone know if Jaws 2020 works with alternate word processors like
Jarte or OpenOffice or Libre Office? I'm looking for alternate to MS Word.


Thanks,

~Ann




Re: Having two accounts in Windows

Thabo Baseki
 

Hi!

That should be an easy thing to do. I have three accounts on my Windows machine. I can switch to any of them at any time. I love the service, it makes work much easier for me. I haven’t encountered any issue as JAWS is concerned. What you will need to do is, by default, your computer will need a password of the last account which you used previously when it was on. If you want to switch to another account, in the logon screen, simply just press the tab key, until you hear JAWS say “switch to XXX account”, then press enter to switch to that account. Then you’ll be prompted to enter the password for that particular account.

Thanks for asking! I hope I could help.

Best

Thabo

JAWS certified-2020
http://www.freedomscientific.com/Services/TrainingAndCertification/Certification


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io <Robin_Van_Lant@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 5:24:31 PM
To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io) <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Having two accounts in Windows
 

Hi,

With my kids out of school and teachers trying online learning, my sighted 9 year old needs to use my personal laptop.  I suppose I could give her my Windows password, but I’m wondering if it’s better to giver her own user profile so it will turn JAWS off for her and maybe even use a normal windows color scheme and simpler desktop with just what she needs.  This is uncharted territory for me.  Is this easy to set up?  Will it be easy for me to switch profiles at the login screen if JAWS is set to run at login?  Any issues I should be aware of in sharing my laptop with a sighted user?

 

Windows 1909, Office 2016 and JAWS 2020

 

Thanks.

Robin

 

 

 

 

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Re: Friday Night Tech Workshop: JAWS, Just Because. Providing Help for JAWS-specific Questions. March 20, 8:00 PM, Eastern Time

Judy Redlich
 

Hi David,

I’ll be there.

Besides teams, I’m thinking yammer would be good to talk about.

Judy

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 5:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Friday Night Tech Workshop: JAWS, Just Because. Providing Help for JAWS-specific Questions. March 20, 8:00 PM, Eastern Time

 

The Covid-19 pandemic has forced many of us to spend more time at home. Some of us are now working from home. Some of us may be staying home to stay safe. Others may be at home in order to self-isolate or quarantine. Even before all of this began there have been many opportunities for online training using meeting platforms such as Zoom. Now that more of us are forced to stay in our homes the opportunities for remote training and assistance will likely increase.

A couple of weeks ago I attended my first Ibug conference where participants are encouraged to ask questions and to provide support for one another with their iOS devices. I really liked the format of the conference but I wanted to see a similar opportunity covering topics from a Windows perspective.

I decided that I’d like to host such a conference and this will likely be the first in a series of free, online tech workshops, assuming there is enough interest in such a project.

The first of these workshops is titled, “JAWS, Just Because” and is scheduled for Friday, March 20 at 8:00 PM Eastern time. This conference will allow users of the JAWS screen reader to both ask questions as well as to provide answers to those who use the JAWS screen reader. No question is too basic or too esoteric and it should be stressed that there is no such thing as a stupid question.

For this conference I’m looking for two types of participants. First, anyone with a question regarding JAWS is, of course, welcome. Second, I’m hoping that those who are knowledgeable in the use of JAWS will also consider participating to share knowledge. Due to time constraints we won’t have time to provide lengthy support or to tandem into a user’s machine. Questions which require this type of intervention would best be addressed by Vispero’s technical support.

In order to keep the conference running smoothly I am going to adopt a similar policy which has been successfully used by iBug. Users who wish to ask a question or to provide a response should say their name, as in, “This is John.” At that point please wait to be acknowledged by the host, as in, “Go ahead, John.”

I have some other ideas for similar workshops but would like to hear some of yours so that I can determine the needs that you have as well as the level of interest. With many of us working from home are there specific applications or programs that you might want some assistance with? Programs that come to mind are Slack, Teams, etc. Would there be interest in similar workshops for NVDA users?

I would also like to invite other assistive technology trainers to write to me privately if you’re interested in assisting with any of these workshops. Many of you may have some ideas which I haven’t thought of and you surely have expertise with topics which I do not. I am unable to provide any type of compensation for any assistance you may choose to provide but the point of these workshops is to provide free assistance to those who may be spending more time at home doing work or completing other tasks. This can be a stressful time for many of us. Many kind and patient people assisted me when I was first learning about assistive technology and I just want to pay it forward and give something back to the blindness community, particularly during this time when the need for some tech help may be even greater

Here is the relevant information about the upcoming conference.

 

Topic: JAWS, Just Because

Join our Zoom Meeting via the following link.

https://zoom.us/j/3565857579

 

Meeting ID: 356 585 7579

 

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Meeting ID: 356 585 7579

Find your local number: https://zoom.us/u/alWW1tLpC

Re: zoom

Judy Redlich
 

I really like using zoom.  We use it for meetings all the time. I use it with jaws on my laptop.  All without others  hearing the meeting, you can take notes in word or in a text file, and hear all your jaws commands.  If you are the organizer, you even hear the chat messages.

Judy 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 1:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: zoom

 

I haven’t used the Zoom platform with JAWS yet, but I find the iPhone app for Zoom really easy to use thus far, as long as you have an earpiece with microphone so that people don’t hear voicover talking.  If I were doing a class with Zoom, I might run Zoom from my phone, leaving my laptop open for taking notes.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 5:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: zoom

 

I copied the info and pasted it after the link to the Zoom support page on hotkeys:

https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/205683899-Hot-Keys-and-Keyboard-Shortcuts-for-Zoom?mobile_site=true 

 

 

Windows Icon Windows

You can view and edit keyboard shortcuts in your Accessibility settings.

1.       Log in to your Zoom desktop client.

2.       Click your profile picture then click Settings.
Settings Option Under Profile Picture

3.       Click Keyboard Shortcuts.

4.       The keyboard shortcuts will appear.

Editing Shortcuts

You can edit a shortcut by clicking on the shortcut and then pressing the shortcut key that you would like to use. 

Some of the shortcuts can be used as global shortcuts, meaning they will work even when Zoom is not in focus. To enable a shortcut globally, check the option next to the shortcut. 

Available Keyboard Shortcuts

·         F6: Navigate among Zoom popup windows.

·         Ctrl+Alt+Shift: Move focus to Zoom's meeting controls

·         PageUp: View previous 25 video stream in gallery view

·         PageDown: View next 25 video stream in gallery view

·         Alt: Turn on/off the option Always show meeting control toolbar in Accessibility Settings

·         Alt+F1: Switch to active speaker view in video meeting

·         Alt+F2: Switch to gallery video view in video meeting

·         Alt+F4: Close the current window

·         Alt+V: Start/Stop Video

·         Alt+A: Mute/unmute audio

·         Alt+M: Mute/unmute audio for everyone except host Note: For the meeting host only

·         Alt+S: Launch share screen window and stop screen share Note: Will only work when meeting control toolbar has focus

·         Alt+Shift+S: Start/stop new screen share Note: Will only work when meeting control toolbar has focus

·         Alt+T: Pause or resume screen share Note: Will only work when meeting control toolbar has focus

·         Alt+R: Start/stop local recording

·         Alt+C: Start/stop cloud recording

·         Alt+P: Pause or resume recording

·         Alt+N: Switch camera

·         Alt+F: Enter or exit full screen

·         Alt+H: Display/hide In-Meeting Chat panel

·         Alt+U:Display/hide Participants panel

·         Alt+I: Open Invite window

·         Alt+Y: Raise/lower hand

·         Alt+Shift+R: Gain Remote Control

·         Alt+Shift+G: Stop Remote Control

·         Ctrl+2: Read active speaker name

·         Ctrl+Alt+Shift+H: Show/Hide floating meeting controls

·         Alt+Shift+T: Screenshot

·         Switch to Portrait/Landscape View: Alt+L

·         Ctrl+W: Close current chat session

·         Ctrl+Up: Go to previous chat

·         Ctrl+Down: Go to next chat

·         Ctrl+T: Jump to chat with someone

·         Ctrl+F: Search

·         Ctrl+Tab: Move to the next tab (right)

·         Ctrl+Shift+Tab: Move to the previous tab (left)

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

 

On Mar 19, 2020, at 12:23 AM, Judy <bunchkinbear@...> wrote:



Hi, any tips or pointers on using Zoom would be greatly appreciated. I was able to set up an account, but had some problems with settings and muting/unmuting etc. Need to learn this fast as a class I’m in is going online for discussions. Using Jaws 2019 and windows 10. Thanks in advance. Judy & Libby

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Re: Finding Alternates to MS Word

JM Casey
 

The last time I took a stab, I was kind of frustrated that the menus do not automatically read with my JFW version at least (2018) and you have to use the JAWS cursor if you want to go through choices. If you know how many times to arrow or if you know the keyboard shortcuts, that’s no problem really, but I was new to the programme and didn’t know any of that. The menus did read automatically in NVDA as I remember. And maybe newer JAWS VERSIONS WORK MORE RESPONSIVELY WITH Libre.

 

If not…

You can use Openoffice. It is not updated with the frequency that Libre is, but it is very similar, and as far as I know is not actually *dead*. The Writer appears to work quite well with JAWS.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: March 19, 2020 7:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Finding Alternates to MS Word

 

There are a whole set of tutorials on using Libre Office Writer on the following link.

They assume using NVDA but I  imagine most if not all of it will be transferable to Jaws also.

http://www.talking-computers.org.uk/jimonlibreoffice.html

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: 19 March 2020 22:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Finding Alternates to MS Word

 

Yes, Jaws works very well with jart and liberal office as well. I like using jart a lot, have a great day.

 

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 6:21 PM ann <tate886@...> wrote:

Hi,


Does anyone know if Jaws 2020 works with alternate word processors like
Jarte or OpenOffice or Libre Office? I'm looking for alternate to MS Word.


Thanks,

~Ann



Re: annoying verbosity in Outlook since yesterday's update

David Griffith
 

The fix for this problem is to bring up the context menu – go to Junk and select the never block option. This adds the address to your safe senders list and should allow the download of images and prevent the annoying message.

 

David Griffith

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gezim Rexha
Sent: 19 March 2020 23:22
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annoying verbosity in Outlook since yesterday's update

 

Hi all,

 

In addition to what was mentioned, while arrowing up and down in Outlook, JAWS says something like ‘if the message is not displayed correctly, click…’. Any solution appreciated.

 

Best regards,

Gezim

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Norma A. Boge
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 6:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annoying verbosity in Outlook since yesterday's update

 

Brian, I am having the same problem as Stan. Went through the steps and got back the normal view. Then, and I’m not sure what happened, it reverted back to being arranged by date.

I will go back and go through the steps again. And please don’t snark at me, I do not need it today or any other, for that matter. Norma

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 9:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annoying verbosity in Outlook since yesterday's update

 

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 09:44 AM, Stan Bobbitt wrote:

Excuse me

Sorry, but it wasn't me who ignored content posted hours before, than fixed the issue, then asking for it again.  That's on you.  Read through the topics BEFORE replying.

It's just common netiquette.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman

Re: Finding Alternates to MS Word

David Griffith
 

There are a whole set of tutorials on using Libre Office Writer on the following link.

They assume using NVDA but I  imagine most if not all of it will be transferable to Jaws also.

http://www.talking-computers.org.uk/jimonlibreoffice.html

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: 19 March 2020 22:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Finding Alternates to MS Word

 

Yes, Jaws works very well with jart and liberal office as well. I like using jart a lot, have a great day.

 

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 6:21 PM ann <tate886@...> wrote:

Hi,


Does anyone know if Jaws 2020 works with alternate word processors like
Jarte or OpenOffice or Libre Office? I'm looking for alternate to MS Word.


Thanks,

~Ann



Re: Downloading and using Kindle books with JAWS

Richard Turner
 

If you have a smart phone, the Kindle app works fine with either Talkback on Android, or VoiceOver on an iPhone.
Or, search for Accessible Kindle for PC, and install it.
You will need to login with your Amazon account, or create one.
Sighted assistance is helpful for that login screen, as it does not read right with JAWS.
HTH,



Richard
"There's a nap for that." 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com



On Mar 19, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Gezim Rexha <gezim_rexha@...> wrote:



Hi list,

 

Someone sent me some Kindle books, but I can’t open them, probably because Kindle is not installed on my PC. I would appreciate if you could instruct me ho to download  and how to use it with JAWS 19.

 

Cheers,

Gezim

Downloading and using Kindle books with JAWS

Gezim Rexha
 

Hi list,

 

Someone sent me some Kindle books, but I can’t open them, probably because Kindle is not installed on my PC. I would appreciate if you could instruct me ho to download  and how to use it with JAWS 19.

 

Cheers,

Gezim

Re: annoying verbosity in Outlook since yesterday's update

Gezim Rexha
 

Hi all,

 

In addition to what was mentioned, while arrowing up and down in Outlook, JAWS says something like ‘if the message is not displayed correctly, click…’. Any solution appreciated.

 

Best regards,

Gezim

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Norma A. Boge
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 6:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annoying verbosity in Outlook since yesterday's update

 

Brian, I am having the same problem as Stan. Went through the steps and got back the normal view. Then, and I’m not sure what happened, it reverted back to being arranged by date.

I will go back and go through the steps again. And please don’t snark at me, I do not need it today or any other, for that matter. Norma

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 9:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annoying verbosity in Outlook since yesterday's update

 

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 09:44 AM, Stan Bobbitt wrote:

Excuse me

Sorry, but it wasn't me who ignored content posted hours before, than fixed the issue, then asking for it again.  That's on you.  Read through the topics BEFORE replying.

It's just common netiquette.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman

Re: Finding Alternates to MS Word

David Moore
 

Yes, Jaws works very well with jart and liberal office as well. I like using jart a lot, have a great day.


On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 6:21 PM ann <tate886@...> wrote:
Hi,


Does anyone know if Jaws 2020 works with alternate word processors like
Jarte or OpenOffice or Libre Office? I'm looking for alternate to MS Word.


Thanks,

~Ann




Re: Finding Alternates to MS Word

 

I can't speak to accessibility, but if you want something to play with to determine if it's accessible, definitely take a look at SoftMaker FreeOffice.

It exists in versions for Windows, Mac, and Linux.  It also has a look and feel that's as close to MS-Office as I've ever seen.  I have not, as yet, used it with any of my blind or visually-impaired clients.  If you do experiment with it please do report back with regard to accessibility or the lack thereof.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman

Re: Finding Alternates to MS Word

 

My understanding is it will work with all three that you mention.  I know of JAWS users using each and every one of those products.  Some NVDA users, too.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman

Re: Finding Alternates to MS Word

Arkadiusz Świętnicki
 

Use Google docs. It's nice and accessible.


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of ann <tate886@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 11:21:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Finding Alternates to MS Word
 
Hi,


Does anyone know if Jaws 2020 works with alternate word processors like
Jarte or OpenOffice or Libre Office? I'm looking for alternate to MS Word.


Thanks,

~Ann




Re: Finding Alternates to MS Word

David Goldfield
 

Ann,

JAWS does indeed work with the programs which you mentioned.

Jarte is, essentially, a Wordpad-like program with a spell checker, along with some additional features. For an additional $20 or so you can upgrade to Jarte Plus, which offers even more features. It can detect the presence of a screen reader and enables what it calls screen reader mode, adding even more accessibility to the program. It is not as full-featured as Word but it may contain enough features which will do what you need.

Libreoffice and Openoffice are much more feature-rich and they do work with JAWS. However, the spell checker, while technically accessible, may not be quite as "speech friendly" as what you have with Word. I have also not tested features such as its equivalent of track changes to see how much audible feedback you receive, assuming that this feature is even included. However, it still may be accessible enough to meet your needs.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 3/19/2020 6:21 PM, ann wrote:
Hi,


Does anyone know if Jaws 2020 works with alternate word processors like Jarte or OpenOffice or Libre Office? I'm looking for alternate to MS Word.


Thanks,

~Ann


Finding Alternates to MS Word

ann
 

Hi,


Does anyone know if Jaws 2020 works with alternate word processors like Jarte or OpenOffice or Libre Office? I'm looking for alternate to MS Word.


Thanks,

~Ann

Re: annoying verbosity in Outlook since yesterday's update

 

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 01:49 PM, Norma A. Boge wrote:
I will go back and go through the steps again.
Which is exactly what you should do.

I also don't need any lectures about snark, as what I said was not snark.  I am sick and tired of the same question, which has already been answered in the very same topic, being asked again and again and again hours after the initial answers have been given.   It's just plain rude to those who have taken the time and effort to provide said answers.  I make no apology whatsoever for pointing this out.  Basic netiquette dictates that you should read through a topic before posting to it.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman