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Re: Necessity For Java?

Ryan Coverdell
 

I would rather listen to streaming audio via a default player like
windows media or real player. But many streaming audio, (especially
major sites like IHEART media, require some sort of web-based player.
So if you use your computer for streaming audio it might be good to
leave java installed. I'm not a tech person, but I have found that
sometimes small changes you make in a set-up can have consequences you
might not know about for a while. So I would somehow turn off the
up-dates but not uninstall it unless you're sure that you don't need
it for the programs you use. Regards, Ryan Coverdell from
Montana

On 5/13/15, Tom Behler via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Hello, everyone.



I am posting this quiry to both the JFW list, and the Jaws users list, so I
hope this is ok.



My question is as follows: How necessary is Java for today's computer
applications?



I seem to be having a problem with constant updates slowing down my
computer, and getting in the way of Jaws, and am seriously considering
uninstalling Java.



Any thoughts would be appreciated.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan





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Re: HJPad

Barbara Hansen <the2skibears@...>
 

I can't answer the question concerning if it is the way FS or 8.x storing
files, but Londa Peterson's directions finally helped me locate the HJ pad.
I think someone, can't remember who on this list, suggested helps for saving
HJ pad to the desktop. The exact directions for saving to desktop didn't
work, but I was able to successfully save HJ pad to the desktop. I feel that
I am beginning to get this 8.1 computer similar to my older pc. If I could
just get my email program to stop freezing or whatever it's lagging is,
things would be great. I did delete cookies, but am still having that
problem.

I appreciate all of you on this list so much. This has been such a
tremendous help to me, considering my intermediate computer skills.

Have a wonderful day.

Barbara Hansen

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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 10:09 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: HJPad

Is it FS, or is it the way 8.X stores files?

Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 5:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: HJPad

That's incredible!
Why on earth would Freedom Scientific want to hide all those programs in
such a ridiculous manner?
Why not name that folder something more meaningful such as ... I don't know.
Let's have a contest to come up with a more meaningful folder name and
suggest it to FS?

On 5/11/2015 4:52 PM, Londa Peterson via Jfw wrote:
I recently saw that someone was wanting to find HJPad and couldn't do
so. In Windows 7, this is fairly easy, but not so in Windows 8.1. I
got curious, so I started looking around. I finally found it, and here's
how I did it.

1. Press the Windows key to get to the start screen if you aren't
already there.

2. Tab once. You will land on a button that says apps.

3. Press the space bar to activate this button.

4. You will then be presented with a very long list of everything
that
is on your computer. Type jaws. It will automatically go into the
search box.

5. Start arrowing down. The item you want is called "utilities JAWS
16." I assume if you're using a different version number you would
find the same thing with the number of your JAWS version. I only have
16 on the particular machine I tested on.

6. Press enter on this item, and you will find all of the things you
used to find in the JAWS program group in all programs on older
versions of Windows.

Hope this helps someone out.

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Re: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

Londa Peterson
 

Thanks Dave,

I should've changed it. Actually you can use true first letter navigation in
the virtual ribbons. You still have to press enter when you find the item
you want, but you can press the first letter of that item until you find it.
If you remember a lot of the Word shortcuts, though, the regular ribbons are
better. I don't remember very many of them, so I use hot keys that I've
known forever. I also use a lot of the Office 2003 shortcuts which still
work. I also highly customize my quick access toolbar. There are certainly
pro's and con's no matter which way you go.

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via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 12:12 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

Changed the subject line for Paul.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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Subject: Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Paul,

I believe you are correct. You cannot have both. I personally do not like
the Virtual menus, because they do not support first-letter navigation as do
standard menus. Therefore I stick to the ribbon and just learn how to use
it.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 07:16 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
-Paul



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Re: Necessity For Java?

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Not if you want to use the sites I mentioned earlier which need Java. There is a Firefox-specific Java application on the Oracle website.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

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Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 9:15 AM
Subject: RE: Necessity For Java?


Could those issues with IE be dealt with effectively by just switching to
firefox as my main browser?

Dr. Tom Behler


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via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:52 AM
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Subject: RE: Necessity For Java?

Its more for the browser then anything else.
Without it, it create issues in IE.

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Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 8:36 AM
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Cc: cecropia64@att.net
Subject: Re: Necessity For Java?

I'm not an expert by any means but I uninstalled it quite a while back and
haven't had an issue. Besides this, all the hoopla about how unsecure it is
made me get rid of it. You just don't need it unless you have applications
that require it. Why bother with it if you don't have anything that uses
it.

On 5/13/2015 11:18 AM, Tom Behler via Jfw wrote:
Hello, everyone.



I am posting this quiry to both the JFW list, and the Jaws users list,
so I hope this is ok.



My question is as follows: How necessary is Java for today's computer
applications?



I seem to be having a problem with constant updates slowing down my
computer, and getting in the way of Jaws, and am seriously considering
uninstalling Java.



Any thoughts would be appreciated.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan





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Re: Necessity For Java?

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Tom. I personally have Java, and it is helpful for some sites, such as those where one puts in a zip code to get a location of a restaurant. It is also helpful for some sites which test Internet speed.

But generally, it isn't needed all that often. Besides, if you suddenly find you need it, it is easily found and reinstalled.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

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Cc: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 8:18 AM
Subject: Necessity For Java?


Hello, everyone.



I am posting this quiry to both the JFW list, and the Jaws users list, so I
hope this is ok.



My question is as follows: How necessary is Java for today's computer
applications?



I seem to be having a problem with constant updates slowing down my
computer, and getting in the way of Jaws, and am seriously considering
uninstalling Java.



Any thoughts would be appreciated.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan





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Re: Necessity For Java?

Merv Keck <blind5sparrow@...>
 

Hi,

I have two Windows seven sixty four bit laptops. One has never had java and
one has not had Java for about a year now. I have never had issues except
once when trying to install a second screen reader for kicks only to use as
a backup and it for some unknown reason wanted to install Java Bridge and
kept looking for Java. After I got through the install though everything
went fine and it never looked for Java again. I had one small web app that
used java but I just switched to something that did not use Java and I was
good to go. It wasn't that jaws friendly anyway so I was glad to see it go.

Hope that helps.

Merv



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Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Londa Peterson
 

I use the virtual ribbon, and I certainly don't have ribbonphobia. I know
how to use them, and I make sure my students do as well. I just find it
easier to get at some of the options that are buried deep in submenus easier
to find with the virtual ribbon. I also like the way the virtual ribbons put
the different groups on the ribbon into submenus. It just works better for
me. I switch interfaces at will.

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via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 1:15 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jimmy Jones
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?

I believe you are talking about the virtual ribbon. FS created that to be
used by those who had ribbonfolbia. Which is a fear of using the ribbon.
There was allot of that when the ribbon first came out. The virtual ribbon
creates a sort of XP menu style which is substituted for the ribbon itself.

-----Original Message-----
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Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 10:17 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Paul Martz
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
-Paul



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Re: HJPad

Londa Peterson
 

It does come in handy on a computer that doesn't have Word though. I also
like the training tools that are included. It's a great way to teach
students how to handle various dialog controls and other such things. It's
certainly not a replacement for Word.

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Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 1:02 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Subject: RE: HJPad

Thanks, Mitchell.

This helps greatly!

Dr. Tom Behler


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via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 12:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Michal Nowicki
Subject: RE: HJPad

Dear All,

Here's my take on HJPad: If you have any version of Microsoft Word, there's
no need to use HJPad at all, unless you really want a word processor with
standard menus that has a spell checker. If you do choose to use HJPad,
however, it probably won't help you at work or school because of the lack of
advanced features like tables, footnotes and endnotes, comments and track
changes, etc.

Michal

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Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:17 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Subject: RE: HJPad

Thanks for the clarification on H J pad, Ted.

I'm going to play around with it here with I get the time, to see how it
might be used in my current situation.

Dr. Tom Behler


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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:54 AM
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Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: HJPad

It's that, but FS also conceived of it as a training tool. Some JAWS
training exercises are built around it.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom Behler via
Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 7:07 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Subject: RE: HJPad

Please forgive this question, but what exactly is HJ pad, and what is its
purpose?

I thought it was a simple text editor, which I typically do via Notepad in
Microsoft.

Am I missing something?

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


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via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 11:56 PM
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Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: HJPad

Keith,

I suggest you reinstall JAWS. Sounds like something was corrupted or
interrupted.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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Cc: "Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D." <kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 06:19 PM
Subject: RE: HJPad


I followed this path in Windows Explorer and the HJPad.exe was not there.

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Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 7:42 PM
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Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: HJPad

Keith,

This is not part of Win 7, it is part of JAWS. Here's the location for
JAWS16 on a Win 7 installation:

C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\16.0\HJPAD.EXE

Dave Carlson
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Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 05:02 PM
Subject: RE: HJPad


I give up. Where is it in Windows 7? I can't find it. Keith

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via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 3:53 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Londa Peterson
Subject: HJPad

I recently saw that someone was wanting to find HJPad and couldn't do so. In
Windows 7, this is fairly easy, but not so in Windows 8.1. I got curious, so
I started looking around. I finally found it, and here's how I did it.

1. Press the Windows key to get to the start screen if you aren't
already there.

2. Tab once. You will land on a button that says apps.

3. Press the space bar to activate this button.

4. You will then be presented with a very long list of everything that
is on your computer. Type jaws. It will automatically go into the search
box.

5. Start arrowing down. The item you want is called "utilities JAWS
16." I assume if you're using a different version number you would find the
same thing with the number of your JAWS version. I only have 16 on the
particular machine I tested on.

6. Press enter on this item, and you will find all of the things you
used to find in the JAWS program group in all programs on older versions of
Windows.

Hope this helps someone out.

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Re: HJPad

Gennie Eachus <eachusgm@...>
 

According to F.S. it is the way eight does things. Had to call them to learn
how to find hjpad.

-----Original Message-----
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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 7:09 AM
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Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: HJPad

Is it FS, or is it the way 8.X stores files?

Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 5:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: HJPad

That's incredible!
Why on earth would Freedom Scientific want to hide all those programs in
such a ridiculous manner?
Why not name that folder something more meaningful such as ... I don't know.
Let's have a contest to come up with a more meaningful folder name and
suggest it to FS?

On 5/11/2015 4:52 PM, Londa Peterson via Jfw wrote:
I recently saw that someone was wanting to find HJPad and couldn't do
so. In Windows 7, this is fairly easy, but not so in Windows 8.1. I
got curious, so I started looking around. I finally found it, and here's
how I did it.

1. Press the Windows key to get to the start screen if you aren't
already there.

2. Tab once. You will land on a button that says apps.

3. Press the space bar to activate this button.

4. You will then be presented with a very long list of everything
that
is on your computer. Type jaws. It will automatically go into the
search box.

5. Start arrowing down. The item you want is called "utilities JAWS
16." I assume if you're using a different version number you would
find the same thing with the number of your JAWS version. I only have
16 on the particular machine I tested on.

6. Press enter on this item, and you will find all of the things you
used to find in the JAWS program group in all programs on older
versions of Windows.

Hope this helps someone out.

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Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Dave...
 

I believe that Freedom Scientific has an on-line training module on
navigating the ribbon.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D." <kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 10:09 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Dave and others,

Any advice on best way(s) to learn the ribbon? I've tried and just don't
seem to get it. I often get lost and can't seem to find what I'm looking
for.

Once I learn a specific set of keystrokes for use within the ribbon, I'm OK.

Thanks for any help. Keith

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via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:08 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Paul,

I believe you are correct. You cannot have both. I personally do not like
the Virtual menus, because they do not support first-letter navigation as do
standard menus. Therefore I stick to the ribbon and just learn how to use
it.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Paul Martz" <skewmatrix@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 07:16 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
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Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Jimmy Jones
 

I believe you are talking about the virtual ribbon. FS created that to be
used by those who had ribbonfolbia. Which is a fear of using the ribbon.
There was allot of that when the ribbon first came out. The virtual ribbon
creates a sort of XP menu style which is substituted for the ribbon itself.

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Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 10:17 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Paul Martz
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
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Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
 

Dave and others,

Any advice on best way(s) to learn the ribbon? I've tried and just don't seem to get it. I often get lost and can't seem to find what I'm looking for.

Once I learn a specific set of keystrokes for use within the ribbon, I'm OK.

Thanks for any help. Keith

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:08 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Paul,

I believe you are correct. You cannot have both. I personally do not like the Virtual menus, because they do not support first-letter navigation as do standard menus. Therefore I stick to the ribbon and just learn how to use it.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Paul Martz" <skewmatrix@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 07:16 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
-Paul



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Re: HJPad

Tom Behler
 

Thanks, Mitchell.

This helps greatly!

Dr. Tom Behler

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via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 12:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Michal Nowicki
Subject: RE: HJPad

Dear All,

Here's my take on HJPad: If you have any version of Microsoft Word, there's
no need to use HJPad at all, unless you really want a word processor with
standard menus that has a spell checker. If you do choose to use HJPad,
however, it probably won't help you at work or school because of the lack of
advanced features like tables, footnotes and endnotes, comments and track
changes, etc.

Michal

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Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:17 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Subject: RE: HJPad

Thanks for the clarification on H J pad, Ted.

I'm going to play around with it here with I get the time, to see how it
might be used in my current situation.

Dr. Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:54 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: HJPad

It's that, but FS also conceived of it as a training tool. Some JAWS
training exercises are built around it.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom Behler via
Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 7:07 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Subject: RE: HJPad

Please forgive this question, but what exactly is HJ pad, and what is its
purpose?

I thought it was a simple text editor, which I typically do via Notepad in
Microsoft.

Am I missing something?

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


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via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 11:56 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: HJPad

Keith,

I suggest you reinstall JAWS. Sounds like something was corrupted or
interrupted.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D." <kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 06:19 PM
Subject: RE: HJPad


I followed this path in Windows Explorer and the HJPad.exe was not there.

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via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 7:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: HJPad

Keith,

This is not part of Win 7, it is part of JAWS. Here's the location for
JAWS16 on a Win 7 installation:

C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\16.0\HJPAD.EXE

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D." <kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 05:02 PM
Subject: RE: HJPad


I give up. Where is it in Windows 7? I can't find it. Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Londa Peterson
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 3:53 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Londa Peterson
Subject: HJPad

I recently saw that someone was wanting to find HJPad and couldn't do so. In
Windows 7, this is fairly easy, but not so in Windows 8.1. I got curious, so
I started looking around. I finally found it, and here's how I did it.

1. Press the Windows key to get to the start screen if you aren't
already there.

2. Tab once. You will land on a button that says apps.

3. Press the space bar to activate this button.

4. You will then be presented with a very long list of everything that
is on your computer. Type jaws. It will automatically go into the search
box.

5. Start arrowing down. The item you want is called "utilities JAWS
16." I assume if you're using a different version number you would find the
same thing with the number of your JAWS version. I only have 16 on the
particular machine I tested on.

6. Press enter on this item, and you will find all of the things you
used to find in the JAWS program group in all programs on older versions of
Windows.

Hope this helps someone out.

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Re: HJPad

Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@...>
 

Dear All,

Here's my take on HJPad: If you have any version of Microsoft Word, there's
no need to use HJPad at all, unless you really want a word processor with
standard menus that has a spell checker. If you do choose to use HJPad,
however, it probably won't help you at work or school because of the lack of
advanced features like tables, footnotes and endnotes, comments and track
changes, etc.

Michal

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom Behler via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:17 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Subject: RE: HJPad

Thanks for the clarification on H J pad, Ted.

I'm going to play around with it here with I get the time, to see how it
might be used in my current situation.

Dr. Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:54 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: HJPad

It's that, but FS also conceived of it as a training tool. Some JAWS
training exercises are built around it.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom Behler via
Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 7:07 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Subject: RE: HJPad

Please forgive this question, but what exactly is HJ pad, and what is its
purpose?

I thought it was a simple text editor, which I typically do via Notepad in
Microsoft.

Am I missing something?

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 11:56 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: HJPad

Keith,

I suggest you reinstall JAWS. Sounds like something was corrupted or
interrupted.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

----- Original Message -----
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D." <kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 06:19 PM
Subject: RE: HJPad


I followed this path in Windows Explorer and the HJPad.exe was not there.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 7:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: HJPad

Keith,

This is not part of Win 7, it is part of JAWS. Here's the location for
JAWS16 on a Win 7 installation:

C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\16.0\HJPAD.EXE

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D." <kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 05:02 PM
Subject: RE: HJPad


I give up. Where is it in Windows 7? I can't find it. Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Londa Peterson
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 3:53 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Londa Peterson
Subject: HJPad

I recently saw that someone was wanting to find HJPad and couldn't do so. In
Windows 7, this is fairly easy, but not so in Windows 8.1. I got curious, so
I started looking around. I finally found it, and here's how I did it.

1. Press the Windows key to get to the start screen if you aren't
already there.

2. Tab once. You will land on a button that says apps.

3. Press the space bar to activate this button.

4. You will then be presented with a very long list of everything that
is on your computer. Type jaws. It will automatically go into the search
box.

5. Start arrowing down. The item you want is called "utilities JAWS
16." I assume if you're using a different version number you would find the
same thing with the number of your JAWS version. I only have 16 on the
particular machine I tested on.

6. Press enter on this item, and you will find all of the things you
used to find in the JAWS program group in all programs on older versions of
Windows.

Hope this helps someone out.

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Re: Computer games.

Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@...>
 

There are fully accessible iOS card games. Check out the app developer Kid
Friendly Software. All their games, which include Blindfold Video Poker,
Blindfold Blackjak, Blindfold Solitare, and Blindfold Wildcard (which is
basically Uno under a different name), are 100% VoiceOver accessible. Also
feel free to check out the AppleVis website.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nicole Massey
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 9:35 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Nicole Massey
Subject: RE: Computer games.

Yeah, I'd love an audio version of Mille Bornes. A blind accessible version
of the standard deck solitaire game Calculation would also be nice.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Mote via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 9:24 AM
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Cc: Michael Mote
Subject: RE: Computer games.

I would be interested to know if there are any card games that are
accessible using the iPhone or iPod. Things like Uno, Skipbo, etc?
-----Original Message-----
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Lemm via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 4:54 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Paul Lemm
Subject: RE: Computer games.

Hi James,

I've only got Windows 7 which it works fine with , but I'm not sure
if the games will work with windows 8 or not. I am on the Audysey
audio games mailing list so I will ask there and post back to you once
I hear if the games will work on windows 8 or not

Regards



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of James
Malone via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:00 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: James Malone
Subject: RE: Computer games.

Hi Paul, does the games work with windows 8.1? I went to the site, but
there was no mention.

-----Original Message-----
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Lemm via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:52 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Paul Lemm
Subject: RE: Computer games.

Hi Keith ,

Not sure about the games in the link I sent yesterday, but there are
many multi player games that one or more people can play on the same
computer.
One good website is for Jim Kitchens audio games, it contains games
such as monopoly, game of life and many more that are multi player
and also some really good fun single player games such as golf,
driving games and many more. All games are again free on his site ,
although all of jim kitchen's games don't actually require jaws as
they are all self-voicing using the PC's built in voice called SAPPI
5. Below is the link to his games .

http://kitchensinc.jgriffith.com/ttsgames/ttsgames.htm

regards

Paul Lemm

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Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 12:32 AM
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Cc: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Subject: RE: Computer games.

I understand these are all single computer games, but are they all
single player games? Are any of them playable by more than 1 player
using the same computer? Thanks, Keith

-----Original Message-----
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Lemm via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 4:45 PM
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Cc: Paul Lemm
Subject: RE: Computer games.

Hi Carolyne ,

I play a lot of audio games on my PC and iPhone , everything from card
games, to golf to more complex games all really fun and totally
accessible
using either jaws or my phones screen reader , would definitely
recommend trying a couple of audio games for yourself .

As for the spoonville games, I took a look at their website and they
have a section for blind games which will all either work with jaws or
be self-voicing and use the built in computer voice, also all the
blind games on the site are free too. in fact after taking a look at
their website I realised I have one of their games already .

Below is the direct link to the blind games part of the spoonville
website

http://www.omninet.net.au/~irhumph/blindgamers.htm

Paul Lemm

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 5:54 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: Computer games.

Thank you. I haven't played games on the computer, think I might enjoy
it and will save your link. This was what I found on Google, but you
may have
too:

https://www.zonebbs.com/boards.php?t=20392

GIFT (God is forever true),

Carolyn

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Paul Lemm" <paul.lemm@sky.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 11:00 AM
Subject: RE: Computer games.


Hi,

I play lots of audio computer games, I'm not sure which web site
you mean as I googled it and couldn't find it. Below is a link to a
website that lists most audio computer games so they should all work
with jaws and if not they just use the windows built in voice (which
is called sappy instead of jaws). If you forward me the link I will
take a look and let you know if the games work with jaws. If you
have any questions about the audio games website below feel free to
ask

http://www.audiogames.net/page.php?pagefile=_Audyssey_Magazine_issue_4
2
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ird_quarter_2004_ spoonville software -----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 11:46 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Computer games.

Computer games.
Do any of you know if this site is really JAWS friendly -

Vg Games - Spoonvill Software

GIFT (God is forever true),

Carolyn


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Re: HJPad

Tom Behler
 

Thanks for the clarification on H J pad, Ted.

I'm going to play around with it here with I get the time, to see how it
might be used in my current situation.

Dr. Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:54 AM
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Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: HJPad

It's that, but FS also conceived of it as a training tool. Some JAWS
training exercises are built around it.

Ted

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Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 7:07 AM
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Cc: Tom Behler
Subject: RE: HJPad

Please forgive this question, but what exactly is HJ pad, and what is its
purpose?

I thought it was a simple text editor, which I typically do via Notepad in
Microsoft.

Am I missing something?

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


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via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 11:56 PM
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Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: HJPad

Keith,

I suggest you reinstall JAWS. Sounds like something was corrupted or
interrupted.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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Cc: "Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D." <kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 06:19 PM
Subject: RE: HJPad


I followed this path in Windows Explorer and the HJPad.exe was not there.

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via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 7:42 PM
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Subject: Re: HJPad

Keith,

This is not part of Win 7, it is part of JAWS. Here's the location for
JAWS16 on a Win 7 installation:

C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\16.0\HJPAD.EXE

Dave Carlson
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Subject: RE: HJPad


I give up. Where is it in Windows 7? I can't find it. Keith

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via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 3:53 PM
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Subject: HJPad

I recently saw that someone was wanting to find HJPad and couldn't do so. In
Windows 7, this is fairly easy, but not so in Windows 8.1. I got curious, so
I started looking around. I finally found it, and here's how I did it.

1. Press the Windows key to get to the start screen if you aren't
already there.

2. Tab once. You will land on a button that says apps.

3. Press the space bar to activate this button.

4. You will then be presented with a very long list of everything that
is on your computer. Type jaws. It will automatically go into the search
box.

5. Start arrowing down. The item you want is called "utilities JAWS
16." I assume if you're using a different version number you would find the
same thing with the number of your JAWS version. I only have 16 on the
particular machine I tested on.

6. Press enter on this item, and you will find all of the things you
used to find in the JAWS program group in all programs on older versions of
Windows.

Hope this helps someone out.

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Re: Necessity For Java?

Tom Behler
 

Could those issues with IE be dealt with effectively by just switching to
firefox as my main browser?

Dr. Tom Behler

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Its more for the browser then anything else.
Without it, it create issues in IE.

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Subject: Re: Necessity For Java?

I'm not an expert by any means but I uninstalled it quite a while back and
haven't had an issue. Besides this, all the hoopla about how unsecure it is
made me get rid of it. You just don't need it unless you have applications
that require it. Why bother with it if you don't have anything that uses
it.

On 5/13/2015 11:18 AM, Tom Behler via Jfw wrote:
Hello, everyone.



I am posting this quiry to both the JFW list, and the Jaws users list,
so I hope this is ok.



My question is as follows: How necessary is Java for today's computer
applications?



I seem to be having a problem with constant updates slowing down my
computer, and getting in the way of Jaws, and am seriously considering
uninstalling Java.



Any thoughts would be appreciated.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan





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Re: Necessity For Java?

Tom Behler
 

Thanks for the vote of confidence on un-installing java.

I'll see what others might have to say.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan

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Cc: cecropia64@att.net
Subject: Re: Necessity For Java?

I'm not an expert by any means but I uninstalled it quite a while back and
haven't had an issue. Besides this, all the hoopla about how unsecure it is
made me get rid of it. You just don't need it unless you have applications
that require it. Why bother with it if you don't have anything that uses
it.

On 5/13/2015 11:18 AM, Tom Behler via Jfw wrote:
Hello, everyone.



I am posting this quiry to both the JFW list, and the Jaws users list,
so I hope this is ok.



My question is as follows: How necessary is Java for today's computer
applications?



I seem to be having a problem with constant updates slowing down my
computer, and getting in the way of Jaws, and am seriously considering
uninstalling Java.



Any thoughts would be appreciated.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan





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Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

Dave...
 

Changed the subject line for Paul.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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Subject: Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Paul,

I believe you are correct. You cannot have both. I personally do not like
the Virtual menus, because they do not support first-letter navigation as do
standard menus. Therefore I stick to the ribbon and just learn how to use
it.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 07:16 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
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Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Dave...
 

Paul,

I believe you are correct. You cannot have both. I personally do not like
the Virtual menus, because they do not support first-letter navigation as do
standard menus. Therefore I stick to the ribbon and just learn how to use
it.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Paul Martz" <skewmatrix@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 07:16 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
-Paul



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