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Re: Track changes in Word 2007/2013

Paul Martz <skewmatrix@...>
 

I cleared the quick access toolbar of its defaults, then added the following
commands:
- Previous change or comment.
- Next change or comment.
- Accept revision.
- Reject revision.
In that order, so you can execute them with alt+1, alt+2, alt+3, and alt+4
respectively.

I also customized the verbosity. INSERT+V to bring up JAWS settings in word,
search for "track changes" and crank up the verbosity. Then search for
"comments" and do the same. After this change, just arrowing to a modified
line will tell you number of revisions and comments. Arrowing into modified
or tagged text will tell you date of change, who the author was, etc. Very
useful.

I also use INSERT+V to change the verbosity of how JAWS reads punctuation.
When dealing with track changes, you really want this set to "all", in my
opinion.

Another way to jump around is to turn on quick nav keys with INSERT+Z. Then
"r" moves to next revision, and "n" moves to next comment. But, in my
experience, it's easy to forget that quick nav is off, and you end up
inserting a bunch of "r" and "n" characters all over the place. Beware.

Even if you can move to revisions, determining exactly what the change was
is rather a complex task. When JAWS tells you "paragraph style changed", for
example, you're left scratching your head as to exactly what was changed.
Okay, to be fair, a sighted user has the same problem.

I may have missed some things, but that's the bulk of how I do track
changes. And I just discussed this about a week ago in this very list, so
you might look back and check for posts in that thread. It might contain
info that I failed to mention in this message.

Best of luck to you with this.
-Paul


Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

dreamy.eyes.ten@...
 

Hi.
May I please have the commands too?

Cheers



Sent from my iPhone

On 13 May 2015, at 8:23 pm, Ann Byrne via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

If you send me your email address, I will send you an inclusive list of Excel keytip commands.

At 12:09 PM 5/13/2015, you wrote:
Dave and others,

Any advice on best way(s) to learn the ribbon? I've tried and just don't seem to get it. I often get lost and can't seem to find what I'm looking for.

Once I learn a specific set of keystrokes for use within the ribbon, I'm OK.

Thanks for any help. Keith

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:08 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Paul,

I believe you are correct. You cannot have both. I personally do not like the Virtual menus, because they do not support first-letter navigation as do standard menus. Therefore I stick to the ribbon and just learn how to use it.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Paul Martz" <skewmatrix@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 07:16 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
-Paul



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Re: Turning off updates

Michael Mote
 

Hello! I use a Dell as well. If you're using JAWS 16, that might explain
why your computer freezes sometimes. Mine does the same thing, and it can
be annoying.

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Subject: Turning off updates

Hi All,



I am interested in turning off updates, like from Dell, etc. I am wondering
if the constant message on my screen indicating an update, could be part of
the reason my computer keeps freezing for short periods of time? Your input
on how to turn off updates would be appreciated.



Thanks,



Barbara H.



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Re: question on call center applications`

Michael Mote
 

Tom, all call centers are different in terms of the types of applications that they use. Some platforms are more complicated than others. I've seen JAWS work really well in some call center environments, and in others, scripts had to be utilized. It all depends on the types of applications you are using, and if they are coded correctly.

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Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 3:10 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.; Ann Byrne via Jfw
Cc: toml614
Subject: question on call center applications`

Hello everyone, I am checking to see what if any call center software works with Jaws? Or does anyone know if there is away to get CSG ACRS to play with Jaws? Thanks, Tom Macha Des Moines, IA

Sent from my T-Mobile Android device

On May 13, 2015 2:33 PM, Ann Byrne via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

of course, if I would send you my address, you could send me yours.
(LOL) I am annakb@sbcglobal.net At 02:23 PM 5/13/2015,
you wrote:
If you send me your email address, I will send you an inclusive list
of Excel keytip commands.

At 12:09 PM 5/13/2015, you wrote:
Dave and others,

Any advice on best way(s) to learn the ribbon? I've tried and just
don't seem to get it. I often get lost and can't seem to find what
I'm looking for.

Once I learn a specific set of keystrokes for use within the ribbon, I'm OK.

Thanks for any help. Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Carlson via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:08 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Paul,

I believe you are correct. You cannot have both. I personally do not
like the Virtual menus, because they do not support first-letter
navigation as do standard menus. Therefore I stick to the ribbon and
just learn how to use it.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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From: "Paul Martz via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Paul Martz" <skewmatrix@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 07:16 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard
interface for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can
also turn on the JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a
system of menus and submenus. I can see how both might be useful,
but they seem to be mutually exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS
ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface
and the JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could
choose to use one or the other interface, depending on which is most
convenient, personal preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one
or the other.
-Paul



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question on call center applications`

toml614 <toml614@...>
 

Hello everyone, I am checking to see what if any call center software works with Jaws? Or does anyone know if there is away to get CSG ACRS to play with Jaws? Thanks, Tom Macha Des Moines, IA

Sent from my T-Mobile Android device

On May 13, 2015 2:33 PM, Ann Byrne via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

of course, if I would send you my address, you could send me
yours.  (LOL)              I am
annakb@sbcglobal.net
At 02:23 PM 5/13/2015, you wrote:
If you send me your email address, I will send you an inclusive list
of Excel keytip commands.

At 12:09 PM 5/13/2015, you wrote:
Dave and others,

Any advice on best way(s) to learn the ribbon? I've tried and just
don't seem to get it. I often get lost and can't seem to find what
I'm looking for.

Once I learn a specific set of keystrokes for use within the ribbon, I'm OK.

Thanks for any help. Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Carlson via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:08 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Paul,

I believe you are correct. You cannot have both. I personally do
not like the Virtual menus, because they do not support
first-letter navigation as do standard menus. Therefore I stick to
the ribbon and just learn how to use it.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Martz via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Paul Martz" <skewmatrix@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 07:16 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
    -Paul



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Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Thanks for address, Ann, but, in case someone else had to figure it out like I did, it might come in handy for future users. I hit Alt 1, then went up as far as I could, hit Alt and up to Properties, then Control Tab to Details, then Tabbed to Return Path. There it got tricky, arrowed down and finally found it.

GIFT (God is forever true),

Carolyn

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Cc: "Ann Byrne" <annakb@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 3:33 PM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


of course, if I would send you my address, you could send me yours. (LOL) I am
annakb@sbcglobal.net
At 02:23 PM 5/13/2015, you wrote:
If you send me your email address, I will send you an inclusive list of Excel keytip commands.

At 12:09 PM 5/13/2015, you wrote:
Dave and others,

Any advice on best way(s) to learn the ribbon? I've tried and just don't seem to get it. I often get lost and can't seem to find what I'm looking for.

Once I learn a specific set of keystrokes for use within the ribbon, I'm OK.

Thanks for any help. Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:08 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Paul,

I believe you are correct. You cannot have both. I personally do not like the Virtual menus, because they do not support first-letter navigation as do standard menus. Therefore I stick to the ribbon and just learn how to use it.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Martz via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Paul Martz" <skewmatrix@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 07:16 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
-Paul



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Re: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

Dave...
 

Then I stand corrected. It's been so long since I used it, I had forgotten about the necessity of using the enter key after pressing the letter. Thanks for the update.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my iPhone using the handwriting feature.

On May 13, 2015, at 12:32, Londa Peterson via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

It does. I've done it. Note that I don't mean the underlined letters in
Word. I mean the actual first letter of the item you want. Also, you have to
press enter as the item won't activate automatically.

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Carlson Via iPhone via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 2:55 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David G. Carlson Via iPhone
Subject: Re: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

Paul
No, unless freedom scientific have change something, first letter navigation
does not work with virtual ribbon menu.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my iPhone using the handwriting feature.

On May 13, 2015, at 11:42, Paul Martz via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Hey guys, thanks for the discussion and info. It's good to know that first
letter navigation works with the virtual ribbon. I'll give that a try and
see if it weans me off the MS ribbon interface.

Which method works best probably depends on which one you learned first, or
have used most, over time. I think either one can be used efficiently. I
just wish there was an easy way to switch between them. I just used the new
v16 Search Command feature to look for a JAWS hot key to toggle virtual
ribbons on and off, and there is none as far as I can tell. The only way I
know to toggle it on and off is to use the Startup Wizard. This makes it
quite painful to toggle between interfaces. I imagine most users would want
to set this once and never change it, and I'm the only idiot who wants to
change it on the fly. Ha ha.
-Paul



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Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Ann Byrne
 

of course, if I would send you my address, you could send me yours. (LOL) I am
annakb@sbcglobal.net

At 02:23 PM 5/13/2015, you wrote:
If you send me your email address, I will send you an inclusive list of Excel keytip commands.

At 12:09 PM 5/13/2015, you wrote:
Dave and others,

Any advice on best way(s) to learn the ribbon? I've tried and just don't seem to get it. I often get lost and can't seem to find what I'm looking for.

Once I learn a specific set of keystrokes for use within the ribbon, I'm OK.

Thanks for any help. Keith

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:08 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Paul,

I believe you are correct. You cannot have both. I personally do not like the Virtual menus, because they do not support first-letter navigation as do standard menus. Therefore I stick to the ribbon and just learn how to use it.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Paul Martz" <skewmatrix@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 07:16 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
-Paul



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Re: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

Londa Peterson
 

It does. I've done it. Note that I don't mean the underlined letters in
Word. I mean the actual first letter of the item you want. Also, you have to
press enter as the item won't activate automatically.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David G.
Carlson Via iPhone via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 2:55 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David G. Carlson Via iPhone
Subject: Re: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

Paul
No, unless freedom scientific have change something, first letter navigation
does not work with virtual ribbon menu.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my iPhone using the handwriting feature.

On May 13, 2015, at 11:42, Paul Martz via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Hey guys, thanks for the discussion and info. It's good to know that first
letter navigation works with the virtual ribbon. I'll give that a try and
see if it weans me off the MS ribbon interface.

Which method works best probably depends on which one you learned first, or
have used most, over time. I think either one can be used efficiently. I
just wish there was an easy way to switch between them. I just used the new
v16 Search Command feature to look for a JAWS hot key to toggle virtual
ribbons on and off, and there is none as far as I can tell. The only way I
know to toggle it on and off is to use the Startup Wizard. This makes it
quite painful to toggle between interfaces. I imagine most users would want
to set this once and never change it, and I'm the only idiot who wants to
change it on the fly. Ha ha.
-Paul



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Re: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

Londa Peterson
 

Press insert + V to go into quick settings. Type "ribbon" in the search box.
Virtual ribbon menus will be the first thing you'll see. Press the spacebar
to toggle the setting. Press enter. You might have to press it twice. It's
not as good as a shortcut key, but it's better than using the start up
wizard.

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Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 2:43 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Paul Martz
Subject: RE: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

Hey guys, thanks for the discussion and info. It's good to know that first
letter navigation works with the virtual ribbon. I'll give that a try and
see if it weans me off the MS ribbon interface.

Which method works best probably depends on which one you learned first, or
have used most, over time. I think either one can be used efficiently. I
just wish there was an easy way to switch between them. I just used the new
v16 Search Command feature to look for a JAWS hot key to toggle virtual
ribbons on and off, and there is none as far as I can tell. The only way I
know to toggle it on and off is to use the Startup Wizard. This makes it
quite painful to toggle between interfaces. I imagine most users would want
to set this once and never change it, and I'm the only idiot who wants to
change it on the fly. Ha ha.
-Paul



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Re: Track changes in Word 2007/2013

Kimber Gardner
 

Track changes are, quite honestly, a pain in the butt with any version
of jaws. It can be done, but you will need patience and perseverance.

Now having said that, what I've done is place accept and reject
changes on the quick access toolbar so I can use control key
combinations to perform these functions. The whole operation is still
a bit clunky, and there are times when you will need to use your jaws
functions to list revisions and the like. But it can be done.

Kimber

On 5/12/15, Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,

What is the most efficient way to use track changes in MS Word 2013 or
2007 using Jaws 16? It seems a little tedious to bring up a list of
revisions with shift + Insert + R and then work through all the listed
insertions and deletions one by one, especially in a long document. Is
there a way to accept or reject a change and then jump directly to the
next revision and so on without having to bring up the list again?

Any suggestions for using track changes more efficiently would be
greatly appreciated.

Thanks all.

Russell

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Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Ann Byrne
 

If you send me your email address, I will send you an inclusive list of Excel keytip commands.

At 12:09 PM 5/13/2015, you wrote:
Dave and others,

Any advice on best way(s) to learn the ribbon? I've tried and just don't seem to get it. I often get lost and can't seem to find what I'm looking for.

Once I learn a specific set of keystrokes for use within the ribbon, I'm OK.

Thanks for any help. Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:08 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Paul,

I believe you are correct. You cannot have both. I personally do not like the Virtual menus, because they do not support first-letter navigation as do standard menus. Therefore I stick to the ribbon and just learn how to use it.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Paul Martz" <skewmatrix@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 07:16 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
-Paul



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Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Sorry I misunderstood, thought you were talking about the ribbon in Office 10.

GIFT (God is forever true),

Carolyn

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Cc: "Jimmy Jones" <jawsstudent@verizon.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 1:15 PM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


I believe you are talking about the virtual ribbon. FS created that to be
used by those who had ribbonfolbia. Which is a fear of using the ribbon.
There was allot of that when the ribbon first came out. The virtual ribbon
creates a sort of XP menu style which is substituted for the ribbon itself.

-----Original Message-----
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Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 10:17 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Paul Martz
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
-Paul



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Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Keith, with Office 10, I have copied a list and have it in a pull-out drawer at hand. I was so familiar with so much in Office 2003, but when I got this ribbon deal, well, I just had to keep my notes at hand. Since I plan to get a brand new system at the end of the year, I haven't taken the instructions and worked on memorizing them. The ribbon deal doesn't make sense to me, I've just found out stuff I needed to do and made note of them.

GIFT (God is forever true),

Carolyn

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D." <kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 1:09 PM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Dave and others,

Any advice on best way(s) to learn the ribbon? I've tried and just don't seem to get it. I often get lost and can't seem to find what I'm looking for.

Once I learn a specific set of keystrokes for use within the ribbon, I'm OK.

Thanks for any help. Keith

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:08 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Paul,

I believe you are correct. You cannot have both. I personally do not like the Virtual menus, because they do not support first-letter navigation as do standard menus. Therefore I stick to the ribbon and just learn how to use it.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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From: "Paul Martz via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Paul Martz" <skewmatrix@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 07:16 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
-Paul



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Turning off updates

Barbara Hansen <the2skibears@...>
 

Hi All,



I am interested in turning off updates, like from Dell, etc. I am wondering
if the constant message on my screen indicating an update, could be part of
the reason my computer keeps freezing for short periods of time? Your input
on how to turn off updates would be appreciated.



Thanks,



Barbara H.



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Re: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

Dave...
 

Paul
No, unless freedom scientific have change something, first letter navigation does not work with virtual ribbon menu.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my iPhone using the handwriting feature.

On May 13, 2015, at 11:42, Paul Martz via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Hey guys, thanks for the discussion and info. It's good to know that first
letter navigation works with the virtual ribbon. I'll give that a try and
see if it weans me off the MS ribbon interface.

Which method works best probably depends on which one you learned first, or
have used most, over time. I think either one can be used efficiently. I
just wish there was an easy way to switch between them. I just used the new
v16 Search Command feature to look for a JAWS hot key to toggle virtual
ribbons on and off, and there is none as far as I can tell. The only way I
know to toggle it on and off is to use the Startup Wizard. This makes it
quite painful to toggle between interfaces. I imagine most users would want
to set this once and never change it, and I'm the only idiot who wants to
change it on the fly. Ha ha.
-Paul



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Re: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

Jimmy Jones
 

Press insert+V, then type "r I" the virtual ribbon choice should pop up.
Press down arrow and press space bar to switch its status.

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Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 2:43 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Paul Martz
Subject: RE: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

Hey guys, thanks for the discussion and info. It's good to know that first
letter navigation works with the virtual ribbon. I'll give that a try and
see if it weans me off the MS ribbon interface.

Which method works best probably depends on which one you learned first, or
have used most, over time. I think either one can be used efficiently. I
just wish there was an easy way to switch between them. I just used the new
v16 Search Command feature to look for a JAWS hot key to toggle virtual
ribbons on and off, and there is none as far as I can tell. The only way I
know to toggle it on and off is to use the Startup Wizard. This makes it
quite painful to toggle between interfaces. I imagine most users would want
to set this once and never change it, and I'm the only idiot who wants to
change it on the fly. Ha ha.
-Paul



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Re: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

Paul Martz <skewmatrix@...>
 

Hey guys, thanks for the discussion and info. It's good to know that first
letter navigation works with the virtual ribbon. I'll give that a try and
see if it weans me off the MS ribbon interface.

Which method works best probably depends on which one you learned first, or
have used most, over time. I think either one can be used efficiently. I
just wish there was an easy way to switch between them. I just used the new
v16 Search Command feature to look for a JAWS hot key to toggle virtual
ribbons on and off, and there is none as far as I can tell. The only way I
know to toggle it on and off is to use the Startup Wizard. This makes it
quite painful to toggle between interfaces. I imagine most users would want
to set this once and never change it, and I'm the only idiot who wants to
change it on the fly. Ha ha.
-Paul


Re: HJPad

Barbara Hansen <the2skibears@...>
 

That is very true.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 10:19 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: HJPad

The point is that no one even knows that folder exists nor the programs in
it until an extensive exploration.

On 5/13/2015 10:08 AM, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw wrote:
Is it FS, or is it the way 8.X stores files?

Ted
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Campbell via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 5:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: HJPad

That's incredible!
Why on earth would Freedom Scientific want to hide all those programs in
such a ridiculous manner?
Why not name that folder something more meaningful such as ... I don't
know.
Let's have a contest to come up with a more meaningful folder name and
suggest it to FS?

On 5/11/2015 4:52 PM, Londa Peterson via Jfw wrote:
I recently saw that someone was wanting to find HJPad and couldn't do
so. In Windows 7, this is fairly easy, but not so in Windows 8.1. I
got curious, so I started looking around. I finally found it, and here's
how I did it.

1. Press the Windows key to get to the start screen if you aren't
already there.

2. Tab once. You will land on a button that says apps.

3. Press the space bar to activate this button.

4. You will then be presented with a very long list of everything
that
is on your computer. Type jaws. It will automatically go into the
search box.

5. Start arrowing down. The item you want is called "utilities JAWS
16." I assume if you're using a different version number you would
find the same thing with the number of your JAWS version. I only have
16 on the particular machine I tested on.

6. Press enter on this item, and you will find all of the things
you
used to find in the JAWS program group in all programs on older
versions of Windows.

Hope this helps someone out.

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Re: Necessity For Java?

Ryan Coverdell
 

I would rather listen to streaming audio via a default player like
windows media or real player. But many streaming audio, (especially
major sites like IHEART media, require some sort of web-based player.
So if you use your computer for streaming audio it might be good to
leave java installed. I'm not a tech person, but I have found that
sometimes small changes you make in a set-up can have consequences you
might not know about for a while. So I would somehow turn off the
up-dates but not uninstall it unless you're sure that you don't need
it for the programs you use. Regards, Ryan Coverdell from
Montana

On 5/13/15, Tom Behler via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Hello, everyone.



I am posting this quiry to both the JFW list, and the Jaws users list, so I
hope this is ok.



My question is as follows: How necessary is Java for today's computer
applications?



I seem to be having a problem with constant updates slowing down my
computer, and getting in the way of Jaws, and am seriously considering
uninstalling Java.



Any thoughts would be appreciated.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan





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