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Re: How do I do a screen capture on a laptop?

douglas richard dexheimer
 

what is the nvda virtualize window keystroke?

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
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On 7/22/2015 8:57 PM, john.falter via Jfw wrote:


On 7/22/2015 7:14 PM, Soronel Haetir via Jfw wrote:
If you don't have a physical print screen key it is likely that you
> have one that can be activated by a Fn-key combo. Unfortunately
> which key you will need to hit in combination with Fn is model
> specific and you will probably need someone who can actually see the
> keyboard to tell you which one.
>
> You could try random keys and hope you find it but you might
> accidentally mute your sound or disable the network or something
> else undesirable if you go that route. And also unfortunately the
> manufacturer is unlikely to have a text list available that would
> simply tell you. Far easier to just to get some sighted assistance
> for this one.
>
> On 7/22/15, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Jfw
> <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I need to capture a webpage screenshot to send to a company about a
>> problem I am having on their site. How do I do a screenshot on a
>> laptop?
>>
>> Thanks in advance, Keith
>>
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Can you use the JAWS virtualize window function?
Jawskey + alt + w




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Re: How do I do a screen capture on a laptop?

john.falter
 

On 7/22/2015 7:14 PM, Soronel Haetir via Jfw wrote:
If you don't have a physical print screen key it is likely that you
have one that can be activated by a Fn-key combo. Unfortunately
which key you will need to hit in combination with Fn is model
specific and you will probably need someone who can actually see the
keyboard to tell you which one.

You could try random keys and hope you find it but you might
accidentally mute your sound or disable the network or something
else undesirable if you go that route. And also unfortunately the
manufacturer is unlikely to have a text list available that would
simply tell you. Far easier to just to get some sighted assistance
for this one.

On 7/22/15, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Hi,

I need to capture a webpage screenshot to send to a company about a
problem I am having on their site. How do I do a screenshot on a
laptop?

Thanks in advance, Keith

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Re: Using JAWS with Avaya Agent One X

Pablo Morales
 

Hi Mike,

I have used it, and it is very accessible. I will not say that it is 100%
accessible, but for the most part of things it is very accessible. Someone
working as customer service will not have any problem with this program.

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Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:07 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Michael Mote
Subject: Using JAWS with Avaya Agent One X

Hi folks! I was wondering if anyone here on the list had experience using
JAWS with Avaya Agent One X. I had the opportunity to test it yesterday. I
did not find anything that was not accessible. I did not go through the
whole application, because I had limited access. I would be interested to
hear from anyone who has used this application. Many thanks!







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Re: Adobe DC

Pablo Morales
 

Hi all,

I have a question about this topic. How Adobe DC works with jaws. How do you
add a text field on a PDF file?
For example, if I create a PDF file with Microsoft Word, and if on this
documents I place text fields, those text fields will not appear on the PDF
file. But how do you place text boxes on a PDF file using jaws?
Thanks in advance.

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Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 11:50 AM
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Cc: Merv Keck
Subject: RE: Adobe DC

The latest Adobe DC works very well with Jaws 16.

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Cc: cecropia64@att.net
Subject: Re: Adobe DC

Michael:

I'm using the program and it seems to work okay with Jaws 16. I'm not a
proficient user and noexpert on Adobe, but it seems to work well enough.

Stew
On 7/22/2015 10:33 AM, Michael Mote via Jfw wrote:
Hi everyone! Is anyone using Adobe DC yet? If so, how well does it
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Re: How do I do a screen capture on a laptop?

Soronel Haetir
 

As far as I know key describe mode is completely unaware of Fn modification.

On 7/22/15, Jason White via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Soronel Haetir via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
If you don't have a physical print screen key it is likely that you
have one that can be activated by a Fn-key combo. Unfortunately which
key you will need to hit in combination with Fn is model specific and
you will probably need someone who can actually see the keyboard to
tell you which one.
Would key describe mode identify it? I suspect not, but it's worth
investigating.



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Re: How do I do a screen capture on a laptop?

Jason White
 

Soronel Haetir via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
If you don't have a physical print screen key it is likely that you
have one that can be activated by a Fn-key combo. Unfortunately which
key you will need to hit in combination with Fn is model specific and
you will probably need someone who can actually see the keyboard to
tell you which one.
Would key describe mode identify it? I suspect not, but it's worth
investigating.


Re: How do I do a screen capture on a laptop?

Soronel Haetir
 

If you don't have a physical print screen key it is likely that you
have one that can be activated by a Fn-key combo. Unfortunately which
key you will need to hit in combination with Fn is model specific and
you will probably need someone who can actually see the keyboard to
tell you which one.

You could try random keys and hope you find it but you might
accidentally mute your sound or disable the network or something else
undesirable if you go that route. And also unfortunately the
manufacturer is unlikely to have a text list available that would
simply tell you. Far easier to just to get some sighted assistance for
this one.

On 7/22/15, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Hi,

I need to capture a webpage screenshot to send to a company about a problem
I am having on their site. How do I do a screenshot on a laptop?

Thanks in advance, Keith

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How do I do a screen capture on a laptop?

Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
 

Hi,

I need to capture a webpage screenshot to send to a company about a problem I am having on their site. How do I do a screenshot on a laptop?

Thanks in advance, Keith


Re: Adobe DC

Merv Keck <blind5sparrow@...>
 

The latest Adobe DC works very well with Jaws 16.

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Subject: Re: Adobe DC

Michael:

I'm using the program and it seems to work okay with Jaws 16. I'm not a
proficient user and noexpert on Adobe, but it seems to work well enough.

Stew
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Hi everyone! Is anyone using Adobe DC yet? If so, how well does it
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Re: Adobe DC

cecropia64
 

Michael:

I'm using the program and it seems to work okay with Jaws 16. I'm not a proficient user and noexpert on Adobe, but it seems to work well enough.

Stew

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Hi everyone! Is anyone using Adobe DC yet? If so, how well does it work
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Re: PDF documents

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Will have to go back to old way, going to outside of e-mail, save sender.

Best to you from,

Carolyn

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To: "Carolyn Arnold via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Dave Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: PDF documents


Carolyn,

On this list email, replying directly to sender does not work.
If you read the "TO:" field after pressing Insert+Shift+R you will hear
that it's still going to the jfw list.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

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From: "Carolyn Arnold via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "Greg Nickel via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 05:25 PM
Subject: Re: PDF documents


You are welcome. I intended for that to go off list; hope this does.

I forgot to tell you that you lay your forefinger in the stimulator array
and use your right hand to maneuver the camera. There are two adjusting
knobs just above the stimulator array, the lower to adjust the thickness or
thinness of the material and the upper one to adjust the intensity of the
vibrations. In the back of it, there is a switch to reverse background and
image.


Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Greg Nickel" <greg.nickel.works@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Thanks Carolyn. I'll check it out.


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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:17 PM
To: Greg Nickel via Jfw
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: PDF documents

Greg, Optacon stands for optical to tacticle converter. I use the Optacon
R1D. It is an electronic device which is about the size of a text book. In
back of the machine is either a charger cord or just an electrical cord,
if
you have one without batteries. The machine is encased in a leather case
that snaps open and shut.

In front of it, there is a cable on it that feels sort of like a heavy
duty
headset cable. At the end of this approximately 18
inch long cable is a camera that is about the size of a pocket knife.
There
is a little knob at the top of the camera, so that the user can adjust it
to

accommodate print size.

Inside the main body of the Optacon toward the right side, as the device
faces you, there is a sort of metallic area that is about maybe an inch
across by two inches in length. This is called the stimulator array, and
it
contains 144 pins in six rows of 24pens. These
pins vibrate, as the shutter photographs the character where the camera is
place. So the user has a vibrating image of a printed letter, line, as in
a
9 x 12 room. In such a situation, different maneuvering of the camera is
required rather than reading across a straight line of printed material.

The device is a life saver for reading items like utility bills, getting
slip in window envelope correctly, checking to see if a pen writes, then
checking signature, checking to see the number on a check, and I could go
on
and on.

The Optacon is 70's technology. There is an Optacon Users' group:

optacon-l@freelists.org

It is a good idea to place maybe a telephone book across a page that maybe
you printed from the computer, so that you would be familiar with the
material to start to learn to read. If you don't know the print alphabet,
you could type it on the computer, one line in caps and one not in caps,
as
well as a line with numbers and then punctuations, followed by writing
what
the punctuation mark represents. If you know print, of course, that will
make
it easier. It takes some practice, which can be taxing to build the skill
needed to use the Optacon, but it is well worth the energy investment.

I will also give you information to where you can look into buying one,
and
the man will answer any questions. He is very well thought of by Optacon
users. His name is Richard Oehm.

oehmelec@samobile.net

Richard Oehm

Oehm Electronics

2194C Galveston Avenue

San Jose, California 95122-3617

Telephone: (408) 971-6250

Fax: (408) 271-9188



Feel free to contact me further in this regard, and I would encourage you
to

join the Optacon Users' list, which, by the way, has been very quiet
lately.

Perhaps you could scan some of the archives.



Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

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Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Hi Carolyn

Can you tell me more about the Opticon and how it works for you? Happy
to
chat off forum at greg.nickel.works@gmail.com




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Arnold
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Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:14 PM
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Subject: Re: PDF documents

With an Optacon, I can read floor plans.

Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

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Subject: RE: PDF documents


Can you tell me if JAWS 16converts the pictures into text boxes on the
Word
doc?

On the idea of conveying a picture other than visually, I could see a
tactile display coming in handy is for technical drawings like
architectural
or
otherwise that are line based drawings.

I do a lot of work with architectural and for now I have someone draw
over
the lines with a vinyl tactile marking tube. Any other ideas that might
be
better?
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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:18 PM
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Subject: RE: PDF documents

When you come down to it, how do you read a picture anyway? Sure, you
can
extract text, but how do you read, for example, a photograph? Place a
center fold on a scanner, and a male synth will emit a deep heart-felt
sigh!
All kidding aside, how could a screen reader convey meaningful
information.
I suppose a tactile display might be able to do it two-dimensionally.

Ted

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I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF
including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the
document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were
readable by Jaws but they are not.
I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like
BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind
people.
I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described
as
being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than
that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market.

Andre
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How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I
have
been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but
converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it
does
it as accurately as you say.
because

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Subject: RE: PDF documents

Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into
Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were
written
in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps
this
one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful.

Andre
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Subject: RE: PDF documents

No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course,
that
was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a
bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old
Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable,
thanks
to 16.

Ted

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Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive
document
around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and
reads
with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into
text. That is often a mess as you say.
Andre

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Subject: RE: PDF documents

Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was
accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file.
Even
when it works, it's not the most attractive document around.

Ted

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Subject: Re: PDF documents

That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the
document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR
software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille
if
she can upload the document.

I'll include the link for her here.

http://robobraille.org/

Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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Subject: RE: PDF documents


Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF.
Then
I
selected all using control-A. Then copied and pasted directly into a
blank Word doc. Then saved the Word Doc under the book title name.
Now it opens in Word remarkably fast and reads very well. It might be
searchable.
Hope
this helps.

I use latest J16, Office and Word 2010 on my I5 Dell laptop.

Best

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Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:57 PM
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Cc: Ann Byrne
Subject: Re: PDF documents

If you have JAWS 16, have it convert the document for you. Press
insert-spacebar, then the letter o for optical character recognition,
then d for document, and let it run. When JAWS has finished, the
document is not only readable, but it can be copied and saved into
another form, such as Word or text.

good luck!
At 08:30 PM 7/15/2015, you wrote:
My office has a program that is supposed to convert pdf documents to
searchable text. The issue is that my sighted colleague said that
she could do a search of this one large document and find different
words in
it.
However JAWS just read "graphic" Graphic" and gave me some numbers of
the graphics. I'm wondering what is happening here, does anyone have
any
ideas?
Thanks!

Bar




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Re: Which Firefox and Crome versions with JAWS 12.

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Chrome and JAWS 13 were not compatible for me.

Best to you from,

Carolyn

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Subject: RE: Which Firefox and Crome versions with JAWS 12.


Since Crome is a modern browser, I don't know if JAWS 12 works with any
version. However, even if it does, the support is probably very basic.

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Subject: Which Firefox and Crome versions with JAWS 12.

Hi and thanks in advance.



How well does JAWS 12 work with

Firefox version 39, and

With Crome version 43?



Also has any one successfully used JAWS 15 with I E 10?



Has the editfield issue with JAWS 15 on web pages been solved?



Thanks.

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Re: PDF documents

Dave...
 

Carolyn,

On this list email, replying directly to sender does not work.
If you read the "TO:" field after pressing Insert+Shift+R you will hear
that it's still going to the jfw list.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

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To: "Greg Nickel via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 05:25 PM
Subject: Re: PDF documents


You are welcome. I intended for that to go off list; hope this does.

I forgot to tell you that you lay your forefinger in the stimulator array
and use your right hand to maneuver the camera. There are two adjusting
knobs just above the stimulator array, the lower to adjust the thickness or
thinness of the material and the upper one to adjust the intensity of the
vibrations. In the back of it, there is a switch to reverse background and
image.


Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

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Cc: "Greg Nickel" <greg.nickel.works@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Thanks Carolyn. I'll check it out.


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Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:17 PM
To: Greg Nickel via Jfw
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: PDF documents

Greg, Optacon stands for optical to tacticle converter. I use the Optacon
R1D. It is an electronic device which is about the size of a text book. In
back of the machine is either a charger cord or just an electrical cord,
if
you have one without batteries. The machine is encased in a leather case
that snaps open and shut.

In front of it, there is a cable on it that feels sort of like a heavy
duty
headset cable. At the end of this approximately 18
inch long cable is a camera that is about the size of a pocket knife.
There
is a little knob at the top of the camera, so that the user can adjust it
to

accommodate print size.

Inside the main body of the Optacon toward the right side, as the device
faces you, there is a sort of metallic area that is about maybe an inch
across by two inches in length. This is called the stimulator array, and
it
contains 144 pins in six rows of 24pens. These
pins vibrate, as the shutter photographs the character where the camera is
place. So the user has a vibrating image of a printed letter, line, as in
a
9 x 12 room. In such a situation, different maneuvering of the camera is
required rather than reading across a straight line of printed material.

The device is a life saver for reading items like utility bills, getting
slip in window envelope correctly, checking to see if a pen writes, then
checking signature, checking to see the number on a check, and I could go
on
and on.

The Optacon is 70's technology. There is an Optacon Users' group:

optacon-l@freelists.org

It is a good idea to place maybe a telephone book across a page that maybe
you printed from the computer, so that you would be familiar with the
material to start to learn to read. If you don't know the print alphabet,
you could type it on the computer, one line in caps and one not in caps,
as
well as a line with numbers and then punctuations, followed by writing
what
the punctuation mark represents. If you know print, of course, that will
make
it easier. It takes some practice, which can be taxing to build the skill
needed to use the Optacon, but it is well worth the energy investment.

I will also give you information to where you can look into buying one,
and
the man will answer any questions. He is very well thought of by Optacon
users. His name is Richard Oehm.

oehmelec@samobile.net

Richard Oehm

Oehm Electronics

2194C Galveston Avenue

San Jose, California 95122-3617

Telephone: (408) 971-6250

Fax: (408) 271-9188



Feel free to contact me further in this regard, and I would encourage you
to

join the Optacon Users' list, which, by the way, has been very quiet
lately.

Perhaps you could scan some of the archives.



Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

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Cc: "Greg Nickel" <greg.nickel.works@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Hi Carolyn

Can you tell me more about the Opticon and how it works for you? Happy
to
chat off forum at greg.nickel.works@gmail.com




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Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:14 PM
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Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: PDF documents

With an Optacon, I can read floor plans.

Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

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Subject: RE: PDF documents


Can you tell me if JAWS 16converts the pictures into text boxes on the
Word
doc?

On the idea of conveying a picture other than visually, I could see a
tactile display coming in handy is for technical drawings like
architectural
or
otherwise that are line based drawings.

I do a lot of work with architectural and for now I have someone draw
over
the lines with a vinyl tactile marking tube. Any other ideas that might
be
better?
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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:18 PM
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Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

When you come down to it, how do you read a picture anyway? Sure, you
can
extract text, but how do you read, for example, a photograph? Place a
center fold on a scanner, and a male synth will emit a deep heart-felt
sigh!
All kidding aside, how could a screen reader convey meaningful
information.
I suppose a tactile display might be able to do it two-dimensionally.

Ted

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Jarreau
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:19 PM
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Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF
including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the
document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were
readable by Jaws but they are not.
I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like
BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind
people.
I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described
as
being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than
that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market.

Andre
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Nickel
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:31 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Greg Nickel
Subject: RE: PDF documents

How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I
have
been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but
converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it
does
it as accurately as you say.
because

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Jarreau
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:20 AM
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Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into
Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were
written
in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps
this
one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful.

Andre
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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:14 AM
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Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course,
that
was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a
bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old
Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable,
thanks
to 16.

Ted

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Jarreau
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:57 PM
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Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive
document
around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and
reads
with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into
text. That is often a mess as you say.
Andre

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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:30 PM
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Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was
accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file.
Even
when it works, it's not the most attractive document around.

Ted

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via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:31 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: PDF documents

That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the
document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR
software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille
if
she can upload the document.

I'll include the link for her here.

http://robobraille.org/

Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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Cc: "Andre Jarreau" <andre.jarreau@earthlink.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:25 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF.
Then
I
selected all using control-A. Then copied and pasted directly into a
blank Word doc. Then saved the Word Doc under the book title name.
Now it opens in Word remarkably fast and reads very well. It might be
searchable.
Hope
this helps.

I use latest J16, Office and Word 2010 on my I5 Dell laptop.

Best

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Byrne via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Ann Byrne
Subject: Re: PDF documents

If you have JAWS 16, have it convert the document for you. Press
insert-spacebar, then the letter o for optical character recognition,
then d for document, and let it run. When JAWS has finished, the
document is not only readable, but it can be copied and saved into
another form, such as Word or text.

good luck!
At 08:30 PM 7/15/2015, you wrote:
My office has a program that is supposed to convert pdf documents to
searchable text. The issue is that my sighted colleague said that
she could do a search of this one large document and find different
words in
it.
However JAWS just read "graphic" Graphic" and gave me some numbers of
the graphics. I'm wondering what is happening here, does anyone have
any
ideas?
Thanks!

Bar




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Re: Which Firefox and Crome versions with JAWS 12.

Brad Martin
 

I can't address JAWS 12 with anything. But JAWS 15 works fine with IE 10--probably even marginally better than with IE 11. As for the "edit field" issue, I don't have one, and never have.

Brad Martin

On 7/21/2015 9:12 PM, Tusing via Jfw wrote:
Hi and thanks in advance.


How well does JAWS 12 work with

Firefox version 39, and

With Crome version 43?


Also has any one successfully used JAWS 15 with I E 10?


Has the editfield issue with JAWS 15 on web pages been solved?


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Re: Which Firefox and Crome versions with JAWS 12.

Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@...>
 

Since Crome is a modern browser, I don't know if JAWS 12 works with any
version. However, even if it does, the support is probably very basic.

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Subject: Which Firefox and Crome versions with JAWS 12.

Hi and thanks in advance.



How well does JAWS 12 work with

Firefox version 39, and

With Crome version 43?



Also has any one successfully used JAWS 15 with I E 10?



Has the editfield issue with JAWS 15 on web pages been solved?



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Re: PDF documents

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Very interesting...Thanks again.
Greg

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via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:25 PM
To: Greg Nickel via Jfw
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: PDF documents

You are welcome. I intended for that to go off list; hope this does.

I forgot to tell you that you lay your forefinger in the stimulator array
and use your right hand to maneuver the camera. There are two adjusting
knobs just above the stimulator array, the lower to adjust the thickness or

thinness of the material and the upper one to adjust the intensity of the
vibrations. In the back of it, there is a switch to reverse background and
image.


Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Greg Nickel" <greg.nickel.works@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Thanks Carolyn. I'll check it out.


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Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:17 PM
To: Greg Nickel via Jfw
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: PDF documents

Greg, Optacon stands for optical to tacticle converter. I use the Optacon
R1D. It is an electronic device which is about the size of a text book. In
back of the machine is either a charger cord or just an electrical cord,
if
you have one without batteries. The machine is encased in a leather case
that snaps open and shut.

In front of it, there is a cable on it that feels sort of like a heavy
duty
headset cable. At the end of this approximately 18
inch long cable is a camera that is about the size of a pocket knife.
There
is a little knob at the top of the camera, so that the user can adjust it
to

accommodate print size.

Inside the main body of the Optacon toward the right side, as the device
faces you, there is a sort of metallic area that is about maybe an inch
across by two inches in length. This is called the stimulator array, and
it
contains 144 pins in six rows of 24pens. These
pins vibrate, as the shutter photographs the character where the camera is
place. So the user has a vibrating image of a printed letter, line, as in
a
9 x 12 room. In such a situation, different maneuvering of the camera is
required rather than reading across a straight line of printed material.

The device is a life saver for reading items like utility bills, getting
slip in window envelope correctly, checking to see if a pen writes, then
checking signature, checking to see the number on a check, and I could go
on
and on.

The Optacon is 70's technology. There is an Optacon Users' group:

optacon-l@freelists.org

It is a good idea to place maybe a telephone book across a page that maybe
you printed from the computer, so that you would be familiar with the
material to start to learn to read. If you don't know the print alphabet,
you could type it on the computer, one line in caps and one not in caps,
as
well as a line with numbers and then punctuations, followed by writing
what
the punctuation mark represents. If you know print, of course, that will
make
it easier. It takes some practice, which can be taxing to build the skill
needed to use the Optacon, but it is well worth the energy investment.

I will also give you information to where you can look into buying one,
and
the man will answer any questions. He is very well thought of by Optacon
users. His name is Richard Oehm.

oehmelec@samobile.net

Richard Oehm

Oehm Electronics

2194C Galveston Avenue

San Jose, California 95122-3617

Telephone: (408) 971-6250

Fax: (408) 271-9188



Feel free to contact me further in this regard, and I would encourage you
to

join the Optacon Users' list, which, by the way, has been very quiet
lately.

Perhaps you could scan some of the archives.



Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Greg Nickel" <greg.nickel.works@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Hi Carolyn

Can you tell me more about the Opticon and how it works for you? Happy
to
chat off forum at greg.nickel.works@gmail.com




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Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:14 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: PDF documents

With an Optacon, I can read floor plans.

Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Greg Nickel" <greg.nickel.works@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:24 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Can you tell me if JAWS 16converts the pictures into text boxes on the
Word
doc?

On the idea of conveying a picture other than visually, I could see a
tactile display coming in handy is for technical drawings like
architectural
or
otherwise that are line based drawings.

I do a lot of work with architectural and for now I have someone draw
over
the lines with a vinyl tactile marking tube. Any other ideas that might
be
better?
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When you come down to it, how do you read a picture anyway? Sure, you
can
extract text, but how do you read, for example, a photograph? Place a
center fold on a scanner, and a male synth will emit a deep heart-felt
sigh!
All kidding aside, how could a screen reader convey meaningful
information.
I suppose a tactile display might be able to do it two-dimensionally.

Ted

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I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF
including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the
document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were
readable by Jaws but they are not.
I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like
BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind
people.
I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described
as
being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than
that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market.

Andre
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How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I
have
been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but
converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it
does
it as accurately as you say.
because

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Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into
Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were
written
in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps
this
one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful.

Andre
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Subject: RE: PDF documents

No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course,
that
was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a
bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old
Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable,
thanks
to 16.

Ted

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Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive
document
around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and
reads
with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into
text. That is often a mess as you say.
Andre

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Subject: RE: PDF documents

Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was
accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file.
Even
when it works, it's not the most attractive document around.

Ted

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That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the
document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR
software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille
if
she can upload the document.

I'll include the link for her here.

http://robobraille.org/

Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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Subject: RE: PDF documents


Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF.
Then
I
selected all using control-A. Then copied and pasted directly into a
blank Word doc. Then saved the Word Doc under the book title name.
Now it opens in Word remarkably fast and reads very well. It might be
searchable.
Hope
this helps.

I use latest J16, Office and Word 2010 on my I5 Dell laptop.

Best

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Subject: Re: PDF documents

If you have JAWS 16, have it convert the document for you. Press
insert-spacebar, then the letter o for optical character recognition,
then d for document, and let it run. When JAWS has finished, the
document is not only readable, but it can be copied and saved into
another form, such as Word or text.

good luck!
At 08:30 PM 7/15/2015, you wrote:
My office has a program that is supposed to convert pdf documents to
searchable text. The issue is that my sighted colleague said that
she could do a search of this one large document and find different
words in
it.
However JAWS just read "graphic" Graphic" and gave me some numbers of
the graphics. I'm wondering what is happening here, does anyone have
any
ideas?
Thanks!

Bar




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Which Firefox and Crome versions with JAWS 12.

Tusing <ptusing@...>
 

Hi and thanks in advance.



How well does JAWS 12 work with

Firefox version 39, and

With Crome version 43?



Also has any one successfully used JAWS 15 with I E 10?



Has the editfield issue with JAWS 15 on web pages been solved?



Thanks.

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Re: PDF documents -last one on this, sorry, obviously Insert Shift R didn't work although it said it did.

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Best to you from,

Carolyn

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Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: PDF documents


You are welcome. I intended for that to go off list; hope this does.

I forgot to tell you that you lay your forefinger in the stimulator array
and use your right hand to maneuver the camera. There are two adjusting
knobs just above the stimulator array, the lower to adjust the thickness or
thinness of the material and the upper one to adjust the intensity of the
vibrations. In the back of it, there is a switch to reverse background and
image.


Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

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Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Thanks Carolyn. I'll check it out.


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Arnold
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Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:17 PM
To: Greg Nickel via Jfw
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: PDF documents

Greg, Optacon stands for optical to tacticle converter. I use the Optacon
R1D. It is an electronic device which is about the size of a text book. In
back of the machine is either a charger cord or just an electrical cord,
if
you have one without batteries. The machine is encased in a leather case
that snaps open and shut.

In front of it, there is a cable on it that feels sort of like a heavy
duty
headset cable. At the end of this approximately 18
inch long cable is a camera that is about the size of a pocket knife.
There
is a little knob at the top of the camera, so that the user can adjust it
to

accommodate print size.

Inside the main body of the Optacon toward the right side, as the device
faces you, there is a sort of metallic area that is about maybe an inch
across by two inches in length. This is called the stimulator array, and
it
contains 144 pins in six rows of 24pens. These
pins vibrate, as the shutter photographs the character where the camera is
place. So the user has a vibrating image of a printed letter, line, as in
a
9 x 12 room. In such a situation, different maneuvering of the camera is
required rather than reading across a straight line of printed material.

The device is a life saver for reading items like utility bills, getting
slip in window envelope correctly, checking to see if a pen writes, then
checking signature, checking to see the number on a check, and I could go
on
and on.

The Optacon is 70's technology. There is an Optacon Users' group:

optacon-l@freelists.org

It is a good idea to place maybe a telephone book across a page that maybe
you printed from the computer, so that you would be familiar with the
material to start to learn to read. If you don't know the print alphabet,
you could type it on the computer, one line in caps and one not in caps,
as
well as a line with numbers and then punctuations, followed by writing
what
the punctuation mark represents. If you know print, of course, that will
make
it easier. It takes some practice, which can be taxing to build the skill
needed to use the Optacon, but it is well worth the energy investment.

I will also give you information to where you can look into buying one,
and
the man will answer any questions. He is very well thought of by Optacon
users. His name is Richard Oehm.

oehmelec@samobile.net

Richard Oehm

Oehm Electronics

2194C Galveston Avenue

San Jose, California 95122-3617

Telephone: (408) 971-6250

Fax: (408) 271-9188



Feel free to contact me further in this regard, and I would encourage you
to

join the Optacon Users' list, which, by the way, has been very quiet
lately.

Perhaps you could scan some of the archives.



Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

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Subject: RE: PDF documents


Hi Carolyn

Can you tell me more about the Opticon and how it works for you? Happy
to
chat off forum at greg.nickel.works@gmail.com




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With an Optacon, I can read floor plans.

Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

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Subject: RE: PDF documents


Can you tell me if JAWS 16converts the pictures into text boxes on the
Word
doc?

On the idea of conveying a picture other than visually, I could see a
tactile display coming in handy is for technical drawings like
architectural
or
otherwise that are line based drawings.

I do a lot of work with architectural and for now I have someone draw
over
the lines with a vinyl tactile marking tube. Any other ideas that might
be
better?
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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
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Subject: RE: PDF documents

When you come down to it, how do you read a picture anyway? Sure, you
can
extract text, but how do you read, for example, a photograph? Place a
center fold on a scanner, and a male synth will emit a deep heart-felt
sigh!
All kidding aside, how could a screen reader convey meaningful
information.
I suppose a tactile display might be able to do it two-dimensionally.

Ted

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Subject: RE: PDF documents

I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF
including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the
document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were
readable by Jaws but they are not.
I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like
BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind
people.
I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described
as
being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than
that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market.

Andre
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How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I
have
been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but
converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it
does
it as accurately as you say.
because

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Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into
Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were
written
in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps
this
one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful.

Andre
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Subject: RE: PDF documents

No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course,
that
was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a
bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old
Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable,
thanks
to 16.

Ted

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Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive
document
around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and
reads
with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into
text. That is often a mess as you say.
Andre

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Subject: RE: PDF documents

Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was
accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file.
Even
when it works, it's not the most attractive document around.

Ted

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That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the
document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR
software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille
if
she can upload the document.

I'll include the link for her here.

http://robobraille.org/

Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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Subject: RE: PDF documents


Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF.
Then
I
selected all using control-A. Then copied and pasted directly into a
blank Word doc. Then saved the Word Doc under the book title name.
Now it opens in Word remarkably fast and reads very well. It might be
searchable.
Hope
this helps.

I use latest J16, Office and Word 2010 on my I5 Dell laptop.

Best

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Subject: Re: PDF documents

If you have JAWS 16, have it convert the document for you. Press
insert-spacebar, then the letter o for optical character recognition,
then d for document, and let it run. When JAWS has finished, the
document is not only readable, but it can be copied and saved into
another form, such as Word or text.

good luck!
At 08:30 PM 7/15/2015, you wrote:
My office has a program that is supposed to convert pdf documents to
searchable text. The issue is that my sighted colleague said that
she could do a search of this one large document and find different
words in
it.
However JAWS just read "graphic" Graphic" and gave me some numbers of
the graphics. I'm wondering what is happening here, does anyone have
any
ideas?
Thanks!

Bar




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Re: PDF documents

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

You are welcome. I intended for that to go off list; hope this does.

I forgot to tell you that you lay your forefinger in the stimulator array and use your right hand to maneuver the camera. There are two adjusting knobs just above the stimulator array, the lower to adjust the thickness or thinness of the material and the upper one to adjust the intensity of the vibrations. In the back of it, there is a switch to reverse background and image.


Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

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From: "Greg Nickel via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Greg Nickel" <greg.nickel.works@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Thanks Carolyn. I'll check it out.


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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:17 PM
To: Greg Nickel via Jfw
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: PDF documents

Greg, Optacon stands for optical to tacticle converter. I use the Optacon
R1D. It is an electronic device which is about the size of a text book. In
back of the machine is either a charger cord or just an electrical cord, if
you have one without batteries. The machine is encased in a leather case
that snaps open and shut.

In front of it, there is a cable on it that feels sort of like a heavy duty
headset cable. At the end of this approximately 18
inch long cable is a camera that is about the size of a pocket knife. There
is a little knob at the top of the camera, so that the user can adjust it to

accommodate print size.

Inside the main body of the Optacon toward the right side, as the device
faces you, there is a sort of metallic area that is about maybe an inch
across by two inches in length. This is called the stimulator array, and it
contains 144 pins in six rows of 24pens. These
pins vibrate, as the shutter photographs the character where the camera is
place. So the user has a vibrating image of a printed letter, line, as in a
9 x 12 room. In such a situation, different maneuvering of the camera is
required rather than reading across a straight line of printed material.

The device is a life saver for reading items like utility bills, getting
slip in window envelope correctly, checking to see if a pen writes, then
checking signature, checking to see the number on a check, and I could go on
and on.

The Optacon is 70's technology. There is an Optacon Users' group:

optacon-l@freelists.org

It is a good idea to place maybe a telephone book across a page that maybe
you printed from the computer, so that you would be familiar with the
material to start to learn to read. If you don't know the print alphabet,
you could type it on the computer, one line in caps and one not in caps, as
well as a line with numbers and then punctuations, followed by writing what
the punctuation mark represents. If you know print, of course, that will
make
it easier. It takes some practice, which can be taxing to build the skill
needed to use the Optacon, but it is well worth the energy investment.

I will also give you information to where you can look into buying one, and
the man will answer any questions. He is very well thought of by Optacon
users. His name is Richard Oehm.

oehmelec@samobile.net

Richard Oehm

Oehm Electronics

2194C Galveston Avenue

San Jose, California 95122-3617

Telephone: (408) 971-6250

Fax: (408) 271-9188



Feel free to contact me further in this regard, and I would encourage you to

join the Optacon Users' list, which, by the way, has been very quiet lately.

Perhaps you could scan some of the archives.



Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Nickel via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
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Cc: "Greg Nickel" <greg.nickel.works@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Hi Carolyn

Can you tell me more about the Opticon and how it works for you? Happy to
chat off forum at greg.nickel.works@gmail.com




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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
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Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:14 PM
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Subject: Re: PDF documents

With an Optacon, I can read floor plans.

Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Nickel via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:24 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Can you tell me if JAWS 16converts the pictures into text boxes on the
Word
doc?

On the idea of conveying a picture other than visually, I could see a
tactile display coming in handy is for technical drawings like
architectural
or
otherwise that are line based drawings.

I do a lot of work with architectural and for now I have someone draw
over
the lines with a vinyl tactile marking tube. Any other ideas that might
be
better?
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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:18 PM
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Subject: RE: PDF documents

When you come down to it, how do you read a picture anyway? Sure, you
can
extract text, but how do you read, for example, a photograph? Place a
center fold on a scanner, and a male synth will emit a deep heart-felt
sigh!
All kidding aside, how could a screen reader convey meaningful
information.
I suppose a tactile display might be able to do it two-dimensionally.

Ted

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Jarreau
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Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:19 PM
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Subject: RE: PDF documents

I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF
including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the
document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were
readable by Jaws but they are not.
I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like
BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind
people.
I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described
as
being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than
that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market.

Andre
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Greg Nickel
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Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:31 PM
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Subject: RE: PDF documents

How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I
have
been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but
converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it
does
it as accurately as you say.
because

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre
Jarreau
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Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:20 AM
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Subject: RE: PDF documents

Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into
Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were
written
in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps
this
one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful.

Andre
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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:14 AM
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Subject: RE: PDF documents

No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course,
that
was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a
bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old
Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable,
thanks
to 16.

Ted

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre
Jarreau
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Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:57 PM
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Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive
document
around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and
reads
with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into
text. That is often a mess as you say.
Andre

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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:30 PM
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Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was
accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file.
Even
when it works, it's not the most attractive document around.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White
via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:31 PM
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Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: PDF documents

That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the
document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR
software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille
if
she can upload the document.

I'll include the link for her here.

http://robobraille.org/

Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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Cc: "Andre Jarreau" <andre.jarreau@earthlink.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:25 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF.
Then
I
selected all using control-A. Then copied and pasted directly into a
blank Word doc. Then saved the Word Doc under the book title name.
Now it opens in Word remarkably fast and reads very well. It might be
searchable.
Hope
this helps.

I use latest J16, Office and Word 2010 on my I5 Dell laptop.

Best

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann
Byrne via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:57 PM
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Cc: Ann Byrne
Subject: Re: PDF documents

If you have JAWS 16, have it convert the document for you. Press
insert-spacebar, then the letter o for optical character recognition,
then d for document, and let it run. When JAWS has finished, the
document is not only readable, but it can be copied and saved into
another form, such as Word or text.

good luck!
At 08:30 PM 7/15/2015, you wrote:
My office has a program that is supposed to convert pdf documents to
searchable text. The issue is that my sighted colleague said that
she could do a search of this one large document and find different
words in
it.
However JAWS just read "graphic" Graphic" and gave me some numbers of
the graphics. I'm wondering what is happening here, does anyone have
any
ideas?
Thanks!

Bar




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