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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

My good computer guy is coming over today to import my address, and I will
try to ask him about that extra desktop.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 10:47 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@icloud.com>
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Brad,

One other feature Windows 10 introduces is virtual desktops. I have not yet
tried it out, but if I understand correctly, you could, for instance, have
separate desktops for work and personal data. I guess this feature is
intended to help users become and stay organized. I don't know, however, if
it is accessible.

Michal

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Brad Martin <brad@formyfriends.org>
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing
that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should
use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in Windows
7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate
that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to know
if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating system that
I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is that
Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where Windows 7 will
not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should cause me to
want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, "If it ain't broke, don't
fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users in
particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if it's just
something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if it will still
function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
--
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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

I came from XP, and wow, am I glad that I did. I never had 7, so I can't
speak for that. I've just been working on mine for about 24 hours, and I do
like it!

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 10:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Brad Martin <brad@formyfriends.org>
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing
that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should
use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in Windows
7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate
that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to know
if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating system that
I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is that
Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where Windows 7 will
not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should cause me to
want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, "If it ain't broke, don't
fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users in
particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if it's just
something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if it will still
function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
--
Brad Martin
brad@formyfriends.org <mailto:brad@formyfriends.org> My Facebook page where
I post online shopping coupons and deals:
facebook.com/ucoupons <http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons>
My SmarterBucks signup link <http://bit.ly/1w5FCPu>
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Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Les and Barbara. Could this problem with pressing:
ALT plus V, followed by C, followed by V,
be related to whether the Virtual Ribbon is checked or unchecked in your Default Configuration Menu?

This keyboard shortcut may work only if the Virtual Ribbon option under Miscellaneous is unchecked.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

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From: "Les Kriegler via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Les Kriegler" <kriegler@nycap.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Hi,

I'm having the same problem Barbara is having. I press Alt-V followed by C
and V and hear nothing. Tabbing yields a blank area which Jaws speaks.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:01 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kevin Hourigan
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hello Barbra,
I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013, and
pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up "Current view
group box", with a list of options,
Cheers Kevin.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Hansen
via Jfw
Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
To: Jfw lists <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Barbara Hansen <the2skibears@embarqmail.com>
Subject: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi List friends,



Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the suggestion to
change the view menu, I need to know how to do this. The suggestion, alt-V,
c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up the ribbons menu and enter on the
"view" menu, nothing happens. It just says "blank". I also tried arrowing
and tabbing and still says "blank".



Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Barbara

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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

 

Hi,
Yes - go to Settings (Windows+I)/Ease of Access/Other Options, then go to
Show Notifications For combo box. You can select between 5 seconds to 5
minutes (I may need to send a feedback regarding this control, as there is a
delay when changing them).
Cheers,
Joseph
P.S. Looks like I'm serving as "Windows 10 Answer Man" here...

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mario via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 9:57 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

can the time to display of toast notifications be adjusted like in windows
7?


On 8/9/2015 10:25 AM, Joseph Lee via Jfw wrote:
Hi,
Hmmm, how can I explain this...
A toast notification is like a help balloon except it doesn't really act
as
such. Once this appears, it'll go away after a few seconds, and you can
actually interact with it by pressing Windows+V while it is shown. You can
ignore them, and if you do, they'll live in Action Center until you clear
them all (pressing Windows+A will open Action Center).
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Aidan via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 2:22 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

So josef, if they don't have help balloons anymore but windows, then does
that mean that I will get a pop up window when something happens wich I
must
dismiss?

On 09/08/2015, Kimsan via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Lmao! That was a good one!

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael B.
via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 8:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Michael B. <mb69mach1@charter.net>
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi Brad,

Well, I suppose you could upgrade to Windows10, & ask Cortana how you
would benefit from the upgrade! LOL, hahaha hahaha hahaha, LOL Take
care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Portillo via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Portillo
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:45 PM
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Oh, I still have my good working Windows machine. I upgraded another
one I used when I had to fix my normal working machine. I totally
understand, Brad!


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad
Martin via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Brad Martin
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Thanks for that. I'm not sure I see the usefulness in that. If I
wanted to have separate somethings, I'd just create a second user
account so I could have separate documents folders, downloads, etc.
Still not convinced I need this. I may buy a cheap refurb so I can
play with Windows 10 when I get bored, but as far as working my good
Windows 7 machine over as an experiment? "Ain't nobody got time for
that."
LOL.

Brad

On 8/8/2015 9:46 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw wrote:
Brad,

One other feature Windows 10 introduces is virtual desktops. I have
not
yet
tried it out, but if I understand correctly, you could, for instance,
have separate desktops for work and personal data. I guess this
feature is intended to help users become and stay organized. I don't
know, however,
if
it is accessible.

Michal

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad
Martin via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Brad Martin <brad@formyfriends.org>
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest,
and I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing
that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you
should
use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in
Windows
7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like
to
know
if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system
that
I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is
that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that
should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying,
"If it ain't broke,
don't
fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users
in particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if
it's just something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if
it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in
mall?
--
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brad@formyfriends.org <mailto:brad@formyfriends.org> My Facebook page
where
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facebook.com/ucoupons <http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons>
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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

 

Hi,
Yes, you'll hear a sound when they appear.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Onwardbob via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 9:48 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Onwardbob <onwardbob@roadrunner.com>
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Joseph, I haven't gone for W-10 yet. Is there an audio clue when one of
those notifications pops up?

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 7:25 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Joseph Lee
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,
Hmmm, how can I explain this...
A toast notification is like a help balloon except it doesn't really act as
such. Once this appears, it'll go away after a few seconds, and you can
actually interact with it by pressing Windows+V while it is shown. You can
ignore them, and if you do, they'll live in Action Center until you clear
them all (pressing Windows+A will open Action Center).
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Aidan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 2:22 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

So josef, if they don't have help balloons anymore but windows, then does
that mean that I will get a pop up window when something happens wich I must
dismiss?

On 09/08/2015, Kimsan via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Lmao! That was a good one!

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael B.
via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 8:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Michael B. <mb69mach1@charter.net>
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi Brad,

Well, I suppose you could upgrade to Windows10, & ask Cortana how you
would benefit from the upgrade! LOL, hahaha hahaha hahaha, LOL Take
care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Portillo via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Portillo
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:45 PM
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Oh, I still have my good working Windows machine. I upgraded another
one I used when I had to fix my normal working machine. I totally
understand, Brad!


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad
Martin via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Brad Martin
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Thanks for that. I'm not sure I see the usefulness in that. If I
wanted to have separate somethings, I'd just create a second user
account so I could have separate documents folders, downloads, etc.
Still not convinced I need this. I may buy a cheap refurb so I can
play with Windows 10 when I get bored, but as far as working my good
Windows 7 machine over as an experiment? "Ain't nobody got time for that."
LOL.

Brad

On 8/8/2015 9:46 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw wrote:
Brad,

One other feature Windows 10 introduces is virtual desktops. I have
not
yet
tried it out, but if I understand correctly, you could, for instance,
have separate desktops for work and personal data. I guess this
feature is intended to help users become and stay organized. I don't
know, however,
if
it is accessible.

Michal

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad
Martin via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Brad Martin <brad@formyfriends.org>
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest,
and I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing
that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you
should
use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in
Windows
7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like
to
know
if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system
that
I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is
that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that
should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying,
"If it ain't broke,
don't
fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users
in particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if
it's just something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if
it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in
mall?
--
Brad Martin
brad@formyfriends.org <mailto:brad@formyfriends.org> My Facebook page
where
I post online shopping coupons and deals:
facebook.com/ucoupons <http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons>
My SmarterBucks signup link <http://bit.ly/1w5FCPu>
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Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Les Kriegler <kriegler@...>
 

Hi,

I'm having the same problem Barbara is having. I press Alt-V followed by C
and V and hear nothing. Tabbing yields a blank area which Jaws speaks.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:01 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kevin Hourigan
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hello Barbra,
I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013, and
pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up "Current view
group box", with a list of options,
Cheers Kevin.

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Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
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Cc: Barbara Hansen <the2skibears@embarqmail.com>
Subject: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi List friends,



Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the suggestion to
change the view menu, I need to know how to do this. The suggestion, alt-V,
c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up the ribbons menu and enter on the
"view" menu, nothing happens. It just says "blank". I also tried arrowing
and tabbing and still says "blank".



Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Barbara

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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Hi Adrian,

I think it's more the age of the computer being updated than whether it's
Windows 7 or 8.1... I have an old Lenovo laptop... 10 years old, and I don't
think I'd like to update it to Windows 10... I had Windows 7 on it and
updated it to Windows 8.1 and was sorry because it ran so slow with Windows
8.1.

If you have a relatively new laptop or desktop running Windows 7 I wouldn't
hesitate updating to Windows 10, if you're so inclined.

Cheers,

Russell

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 9:03 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Russell,

To me, you make an argument for Win7 users to stay with Win7 but for Win8
and Win8.1 users maybe to think about it. Nothing I've read suggests any
immediate gains for Win7 users and several negatives. In time, upgrading to
Win10 will be unavoidable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:20 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi Brad,

I purchased a new laptop last November, a Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 running Windows
8.1. While I did get accustomed to Windows 8.1, I wasn't crazy about it. I
updated to Windows 10, and like the fact that the start menu is back. When I
press the Windows key, I am placed in a search field, similar to Windows 7.
If I down arrow, I am placed in a list of my 6 most used programs, which is
really convenient. I am finding Cortana to work quite well... when she isn't
able to answer my query, she opens up a search page in Bing... wish the
search results could be switched to Google, but at least for now, Bing is
the only choice.

I am looking forward to trying Edge once Jaws support is available for it.

I think whether or not to update to Windows 10 is a very personal choice,
and, I also feel that we shouldn't be advised not to update just because we
use Jaws. Having said that though, I don't think I would have updated if my
laptop wasn't fairly new.

I've been reading the various forums and many people are experiencing
troubles with the Windows 10 update, not only users of assistive technology,
so, as I say, the choice to update is a personal one.

For me, I'm glad I updated, but we'll see how things go once Microsoft
starts pushing out those updates! Ha ha.

Like you say, fun, fun, fun! :)

Russell
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Brad Martin <brad@formyfriends.org>
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program;
you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that
now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can
see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that
should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying,
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like
to know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Russell Solowoniuk
 

I agree Maria. :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 9:24 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Maria Campbell <lucky1@ct.metrocast.net>
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Windows 10 is an indication of the future of Microsoft with the
introduction of Cortana and the Edge browser. There's no getting around
that, no matter if and when one upgrades. And these two new features
will revolutionize Windows computing when they are perfected.
There are always growing pains with a new system, and the sooner one
deals, the better, especially considering free versus having to pay the
longer one waits.
That is the value of this list, helping with those growing pains.

On 8/9/2015 11:03 AM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote:
Russell,

To me, you make an argument for Win7 users to stay with Win7 but for Win8
and Win8.1 users maybe to think about it. Nothing I've read suggests any
immediate gains for Win7 users and several negatives. In time, upgrading to
Win10 will be unavoidable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:20 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi Brad,

I purchased a new laptop last November, a Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 running
Windows
8.1. While I did get accustomed to Windows 8.1, I wasn't crazy about it. I
updated to Windows 10, and like the fact that the start menu is back. When
I
press the Windows key, I am placed in a search field, similar to Windows
7.
If I down arrow, I am placed in a list of my 6 most used programs, which
is
really convenient. I am finding Cortana to work quite well... when she
isn't
able to answer my query, she opens up a search page in Bing... wish the
search results could be switched to Google, but at least for now, Bing is
the only choice.

I am looking forward to trying Edge once Jaws support is available for it.

I think whether or not to update to Windows 10 is a very personal choice,
and, I also feel that we shouldn't be advised not to update just because
we
use Jaws. Having said that though, I don't think I would have updated if
my
laptop wasn't fairly new.

I've been reading the various forums and many people are experiencing
troubles with the Windows 10 update, not only users of assistive
technology,
so, as I say, the choice to update is a personal one.

For me, I'm glad I updated, but we'll see how things go once Microsoft
starts pushing out those updates! Ha ha.

Like you say, fun, fun, fun! :)

Russell
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Brad Martin <brad@formyfriends.org>
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program;
you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that
now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can
see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that
should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying,
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like
to know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
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Re: Installation of Windows 10

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Hi Maria,

You can find the tool, as well as other Windows 10 update info on the following FS page...

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Support/TechnicalSupport/Windows10Upgrade

HTH

Russell

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 9:05 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Maria Campbell <lucky1@ct.metrocast.net>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

That's very interesting. Where does one find this tool?


On 8/9/2015 10:42 AM, Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw wrote:
FS has a tool you can download and run that will automatically uninstall all versions of Jaws prior to Jaws 16.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 1:17 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@icloud.com>
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Yes.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 6:53 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Also, having read the news release from FS, may I infer that one should cleanly and completely uninstall earlier versions of JAWS?

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 7:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Michal Nowicki
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Mark and Joe,

How did you know when to start Narrator? Did you launch it before starting the update?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark Furness via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 5:10 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Mark Furness <flintman57@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

I did it all by myself.
I upgraded from windows 7 home premium, running Jaws 16. Thanks to the people on the list as I had to do a repair on jaws.
I tried using narrator and that helped a little. But, I’m use to jaws, thus found it frustrating.

In short you can do it by yourself.

Mark
On Aug 6, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Hi,

I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to this topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully installed or upgraded to Windows 10 independently.
Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this but don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to make sure I can do this with one or two screen readers.
Any tips will be helpful.
I've got my machine set and ready to go.
Jim


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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Mario
 

can the time to display of toast notifications be adjusted like in windows 7?

On 8/9/2015 10:25 AM, Joseph Lee via Jfw wrote:
Hi,
Hmmm, how can I explain this...
A toast notification is like a help balloon except it doesn't really act as
such. Once this appears, it'll go away after a few seconds, and you can
actually interact with it by pressing Windows+V while it is shown. You can
ignore them, and if you do, they'll live in Action Center until you clear
them all (pressing Windows+A will open Action Center).
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Aidan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 2:22 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

So josef, if they don't have help balloons anymore but windows, then does
that mean that I will get a pop up window when something happens wich I must
dismiss?

On 09/08/2015, Kimsan via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Lmao! That was a good one!

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael B.
via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 8:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Michael B. <mb69mach1@charter.net>
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi Brad,

Well, I suppose you could upgrade to Windows10, & ask Cortana how you
would benefit from the upgrade! LOL, hahaha hahaha hahaha, LOL Take
care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Portillo via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Portillo
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:45 PM
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Oh, I still have my good working Windows machine. I upgraded another
one I used when I had to fix my normal working machine. I totally
understand, Brad!


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad
Martin via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Brad Martin
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Thanks for that. I'm not sure I see the usefulness in that. If I
wanted to have separate somethings, I'd just create a second user
account so I could have separate documents folders, downloads, etc.
Still not convinced I need this. I may buy a cheap refurb so I can
play with Windows 10 when I get bored, but as far as working my good
Windows 7 machine over as an experiment? "Ain't nobody got time for that."
LOL.

Brad

On 8/8/2015 9:46 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw wrote:
Brad,

One other feature Windows 10 introduces is virtual desktops. I have
not
yet
tried it out, but if I understand correctly, you could, for instance,
have separate desktops for work and personal data. I guess this
feature is intended to help users become and stay organized. I don't
know, however,
if
it is accessible.

Michal

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad
Martin via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Brad Martin <brad@formyfriends.org>
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest,
and I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing
that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you
should
use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in
Windows
7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like
to
know
if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system
that
I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is
that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that
should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying,
"If it ain't broke,
don't
fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users
in particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if
it's just something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if
it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in
mall?
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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Adrian. I wasn't saying that Windows10 would be free until 2020. I was saying that, because it is free now, that is why some people are jumping on the band wagon. On the other hand, if people wait until 2020, when Windows7 is no longer supported, they will have to pay for Windows10.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 9:05 PM
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers to the end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time? I'm waiting for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) and FS's first rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within the year.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade,
Windows10 won't be free anymore.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Brad Martin" <brad@formyfriends.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you
should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in
Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents. (I'm doing
that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate that
Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see
is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where Windows
7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should cause
me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, "If it ain't
broke, don't fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS
users in particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if
it's just something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if it
will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
--
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My Facebook page where I post online shopping coupons and deals:
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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Onwardbob
 

Joseph, I haven't gone for W-10 yet. Is there an audio clue when one of
those notifications pops up?

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 7:25 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Joseph Lee
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,
Hmmm, how can I explain this...
A toast notification is like a help balloon except it doesn't really act as
such. Once this appears, it'll go away after a few seconds, and you can
actually interact with it by pressing Windows+V while it is shown. You can
ignore them, and if you do, they'll live in Action Center until you clear
them all (pressing Windows+A will open Action Center).
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Aidan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 2:22 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

So josef, if they don't have help balloons anymore but windows, then does
that mean that I will get a pop up window when something happens wich I must
dismiss?

On 09/08/2015, Kimsan via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Lmao! That was a good one!

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael B.
via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 8:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Michael B. <mb69mach1@charter.net>
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi Brad,

Well, I suppose you could upgrade to Windows10, & ask Cortana how you
would benefit from the upgrade! LOL, hahaha hahaha hahaha, LOL Take
care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Portillo via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Portillo
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:45 PM
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Oh, I still have my good working Windows machine. I upgraded another
one I used when I had to fix my normal working machine. I totally
understand, Brad!


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad
Martin via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Brad Martin
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Thanks for that. I'm not sure I see the usefulness in that. If I
wanted to have separate somethings, I'd just create a second user
account so I could have separate documents folders, downloads, etc.
Still not convinced I need this. I may buy a cheap refurb so I can
play with Windows 10 when I get bored, but as far as working my good
Windows 7 machine over as an experiment? "Ain't nobody got time for that."
LOL.

Brad

On 8/8/2015 9:46 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw wrote:
Brad,

One other feature Windows 10 introduces is virtual desktops. I have
not
yet
tried it out, but if I understand correctly, you could, for instance,
have separate desktops for work and personal data. I guess this
feature is intended to help users become and stay organized. I don't
know, however,
if
it is accessible.

Michal

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Martin via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Brad Martin <brad@formyfriends.org>
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest,
and I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing
that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you
should
use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in
Windows
7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like
to
know
if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system
that
I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is
that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that
should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying,
"If it ain't broke,
don't
fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users
in particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if
it's just something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if
it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in
mall?
--
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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Adrian Spratt
 

FS says that only the current release of JAWS 16 works with Windows 10. MS is making Win10 upgrades free for a year. It's a pity that FS doesn't have the resources to make a similar offer for a Win10-compatible version of JAWS.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of stintonjoe--- via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:41 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: stintonjoe@btinternet.com
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

well I haven't upgraded myself and the main reason for that is my version
with jaws came out when windows 7 came out and I don't even know if it will
even work with newer versions of windows, although I haven't looked in to
it!! and I am in no position to pay for a upgrade yet.
so any way i will stick wiht windows 7 and jaws 12.0 for now. and will look
in to upgrading when I am forced to do so, and at this moment I am not even
sure I will stay with windos any way.

well just my thoughts for what iss worth cheers Joe

cheers Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Kimsan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 4:09 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kimsan
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Sounds to me, as if it is personal preference and we have some on one side
of the tracks who likes to have the latest updates, other reasons could be
the OS will only be supported for a certain period of time, which we have
like 5 years for windows 7.

I'm not speaking for others, so nobody attack me, I just upgraded to see
what the big woop was.
Personally, you made some good points.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 7:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Brad Martin <brad@formyfriends.org>
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing
that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should
use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in Windows
7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate
that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to know
if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating system that
I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is that
Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where Windows 7 will
not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should cause me to
want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, "If it ain't broke, don't
fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users in
particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if it's just
something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if it will still
function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
--
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Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
 

Hello Barbra,
I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013, and
pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up "Current view
group box", with a list of options,
Cheers Kevin.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Hansen
via Jfw
Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
To: Jfw lists <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Barbara Hansen <the2skibears@embarqmail.com>
Subject: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi List friends,



Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the suggestion to
change the view menu, I need to know how to do this. The suggestion, alt-V,
c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up the ribbons menu and enter on the
"view" menu, nothing happens. It just says "blank". I also tried arrowing
and tabbing and still says "blank".



Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Barbara

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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Tom Behler
 

Yup, and that's exactly how Microsoft gets you in the end!

Don't you just love it?

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade,
Windows10 won't be free anymore.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Martin via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Brad Martin" <brad@formyfriends.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and
I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program;
you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that
now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can
see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows
7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should
cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, "If it
ain't broke, don't fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to
know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
--
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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

stintonjoe@...
 

well I haven't upgraded myself and the main reason for that is my version with jaws came out when windows 7 came out and I don't even know if it will even work with newer versions of windows, although I haven't looked in to it!! and I am in no position to pay for a upgrade yet.
so any way i will stick wiht windows 7 and jaws 12.0 for now. and will look in to upgrading when I am forced to do so, and at this moment I am not even sure I will stay with windos any way.

well just my thoughts for what iss worth cheers Joe

cheers Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Kimsan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 4:09 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kimsan
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Sounds to me, as if it is personal preference and we have some on one side
of the tracks who likes to have the latest updates, other reasons could be
the OS will only be supported for a certain period of time, which we have
like 5 years for windows 7.

I'm not speaking for others, so nobody attack me, I just upgraded to see
what the big woop was.
Personally, you made some good points.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 7:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Brad Martin <brad@formyfriends.org>
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing
that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should
use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in Windows
7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate
that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to know
if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating system that
I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is that
Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where Windows 7 will
not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should cause me to
want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, "If it ain't broke, don't
fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users in
particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if it's just
something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if it will still
function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
--
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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Tom Behler
 

Brad:

Your question here is an excellent one, and, I agree. I also have to
believe that many others have this question in mind as well.

I will read the responses of others with interest.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 10:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Brad Martin
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing
that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should
use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in Windows
7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate
that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to know
if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating system that
I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is that
Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where Windows 7 will
not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should cause me to
want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, "If it ain't broke, don't
fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users in
particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if it's just
something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if it will still
function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
--
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Re: Installation of Windows 10

Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
 

Thank you Joseph for all of your input, much appreciated.
Cheers Kevin.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: August-08-15 7:16 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
And when you type something, does JAWS read results automatically? I and
other WinTen users observed it doesn't.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 7:09 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@icloud.com>
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

When I bring up the start menu, JAWS says, "Search Box".

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 5:29 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
I was able to reproduce this on my brief testing with JAWS, so this isn't
unique to your system. I hope FS knows how to use UIA to resolve this...
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 3:19 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Pablo Morales
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

I have the same problem, I repaired jaws several times, but I can't read the
start menu, some times jaws says cortana, other timesjaws says start, but
anything else jaws is able to read. I know that my computer is a little bit
old, it has quad core, that I bought in 2008. Originally this computer came
with windows vista, and I bought windows 7, and now I am trying to with
windows 10. Looks like this computer is working fine, some times works a
little bit slow, but with jaws I can't read anything in the start menu, no
matter if I repair jaws.
My question is, it could be a hardware problem due to the age of this
computer?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 4:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Joseph Lee
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
Yes, and there are other issues that should be fixed soon, some of which are
issues with somewhat fundamental Windows 10 features, which makes me wonder
if FS came out with a half-baked solution last month (I hope FS is doing
something these days to fix them and to support Edge).
Cheers,
Joseph
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Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Hi all,

I upgraded my Win 8.1 to 10, but JAWS refuses to announce the start menu.
It will sometimes say Cortana, but other than that it stays pretty silent.
I've already uninstalled JAWS completely, restarted and reinstalled JAWS,
but the problem still persists.

Anyone ran into that on their path to Windows 10?
I am using a netbook with Win 10 32 bit on it, a Medion 98700.

Regards,
Nermin


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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Maria Campbell
 

Windows 10 is an indication of the future of Microsoft with the introduction of Cortana and the Edge browser. There's no getting around that, no matter if and when one upgrades. And these two new features will revolutionize Windows computing when they are perfected.
There are always growing pains with a new system, and the sooner one deals, the better, especially considering free versus having to pay the longer one waits.
That is the value of this list, helping with those growing pains.

On 8/9/2015 11:03 AM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote:
Russell,

To me, you make an argument for Win7 users to stay with Win7 but for Win8 and Win8.1 users maybe to think about it. Nothing I've read suggests any immediate gains for Win7 users and several negatives. In time, upgrading to Win10 will be unavoidable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:20 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi Brad,

I purchased a new laptop last November, a Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 running Windows
8.1. While I did get accustomed to Windows 8.1, I wasn't crazy about it. I
updated to Windows 10, and like the fact that the start menu is back. When I
press the Windows key, I am placed in a search field, similar to Windows 7.
If I down arrow, I am placed in a list of my 6 most used programs, which is
really convenient. I am finding Cortana to work quite well... when she isn't
able to answer my query, she opens up a search page in Bing... wish the
search results could be switched to Google, but at least for now, Bing is
the only choice.

I am looking forward to trying Edge once Jaws support is available for it.

I think whether or not to update to Windows 10 is a very personal choice,
and, I also feel that we shouldn't be advised not to update just because we
use Jaws. Having said that though, I don't think I would have updated if my
laptop wasn't fairly new.

I've been reading the various forums and many people are experiencing
troubles with the Windows 10 update, not only users of assistive technology,
so, as I say, the choice to update is a personal one.

For me, I'm glad I updated, but we'll see how things go once Microsoft
starts pushing out those updates! Ha ha.

Like you say, fun, fun, fun! :)

Russell
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Brad Martin <brad@formyfriends.org>
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program;
you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that
now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can
see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that
should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying,
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like
to know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
--

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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Daniel McBride
 

Dave:

There is no deeper meaning. Simply because something is free doesn't
necessarily make it worthy of consumption.

Daniel

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via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 9:35 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Daniel,

That's nice for the deer. Is there a deeper meaning to the obvious?

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

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Cc: "Daniel McBride" <dlmlaw@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 07:04 AM
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


As I pointed out earlier, a deer gets free feed at his local deer stand
feeder.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers to the
end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time? I'm waiting
for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) and FS's first
rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within the year.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade,
Windows10 won't be free anymore.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Brad Martin" <brad@formyfriends.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and
I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program;
you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that
now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can
see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows
7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should
cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, "If it
ain't broke, don't fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to
know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
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