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Re: clean install vs upgrade:

Robert Cole
 

Its a good idea to use both of these programs, to be sure they give you the same key.
It is better to be safe than sorry.


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 7, 2015, at 11:07 AM, Joseph Lee via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Hi,
There are programs that'll do this, one of them is Magical Jellybean. On my
systems, I used Belarc Advisor.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 9:07 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Luis Difut <dragonwolfs@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: clean install vs upgrade:

How do you retrieve your windows 10 product key?

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Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 11:56 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Joseph Lee
Subject: RE: clean install vs upgrade:

Hi,
You'll need to upgrade first before you can retrieve your Windows 10 product
key.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Subject: clean install vs upgrade:

Hi How would you find the product key to enter before you install windows
10?
Kenny Peyatt

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Re: Installation of Windows 10

 

Hi,
You'll first want to upgrade to Windows 10, as then you'll be able to clean
install. Various sources tell me that a new activation mechanisms are used -
your computer hardware information will be used to generate a secure hash
which will then be sent to Microsoft and will be kept for you, and once
cleanly installed, Windows 10 will be activated without having to enter a
product key.
Cheers,
Joseph

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via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 8:56 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Andre Jarreau <andre.jarreau@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

I have a question about Win10 install. I have Win7 and can free upgrade.
Did someone say a Win10 could be installed without using Win7 or 8? I would
like to completely wipe out my hard drive then run a destroyer program to
assure the only thing on the disc is binary zeros. Then a clean Win7 can be
installed and a downloaded J16, new Outlook ect. Too many files on my hard
drive are corrupt. Outlook will run but freezes and crashes and is
sometimes extremely slow. Just want the best out of my machine.

Clarity would be greatly appreciated.

Andre

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mote
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 10:37 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Michael Mote
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

I wanted to point out something regarding Narrator. I have tried using the
Windows key plus Enter command to launch it on both my Windows 7 and 8.1
computers. It does not launch it on my Windows 7 machine, but it does on my
Windows 8.1 machine. I'm bringing this up for the benefit of those who are
upgrading from Windows 8.1 to version 10. Windows key plus enter may be an
option for you. I don't mean to confuse the issue at all, but did want to
share my experience here.


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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 9:46 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
There is no command to restart Narrator.
Speaking of installing Windows, I'll go through some FAQ's I got from this
list in this email:
* Compatible JFW release: Please use JAWS 16.0.4350 or later, or if you'd
like to wait, please hold off until JAWS 17 comes out (public beta or
official build will do).
* Clean install versus in-place upgrade: You can perform an in-place upgrade
all by yourself with a screen reader running. Your computer will restart
several times, and after some restarts, you'll hear silence from your
computer. Once this happens, press Windows+ENTER to launch Narrator, and if
your sound card is detected, Microsoft David will come up talking.
* Multiple clean install options: There are two ways of performing clean
install: bootable media or from Media Creation Tool. If using Media Creation
tool option, the steps are same as above, except none of your programs and
settings will be kept. If doing bootable media installation, then you'll
indeed need some sighted assistance for the first few prompts to choose your
language, entering your product key (don't have to enter it), choosing a
partition and others. Once your computer restarts several times, follow the
steps above to finish installing using Narrator (Windows 10 will come in
either a DVD or on a flash drive).
* Some finds with JAWS 16.0.4350: My brief testing shows the following (at
least on my computer):
1. In Start search box, JAWS does not announce search results automatically.
2. JAWS does not announce Action Center notifications, aa variation of
Windows 8.x's toast notifications. They are toasts in disguise because you
can press Windows+V to move to and interact with them, and press Windows+A
to open Action Center. These are basic issues that should have been fixed in
the first place, thus (in my opinion) disqualifying JAWS from being
compatible with Windows 10 for now (I'm sure FS is working on it).
3. You can use TAB and Shift+TAB to move among links in Microsoft Edge (no
virtual cursor, no forms mode, no support for MathML yet). There were tweets
floating around which criticized FS for not supporting Edge yet, but that's
expected (the biggest nightmare for screen reader vendors is whenever
Microsoft comes out with a new version of Windows; Windows 8.x users tasted
this, and it'll happen more frequently now that Microsoft will be updating
Windows constantly to add new features which may break accessibility).
For resident geeks here:
* In order to let your app support Windows 10, you need to modify app
manifest in your application, which is what JAWS 16.0.4350 could have done.
* UIA (User Interface Automation) is more prominent now, with universal apps
using UIA.
* Microsoft Edge is filled with UIA objects, thus you need to know how UIA
works (at least a high-level overview) when scripting for Windows 10 apps
and for supporting Edge.
If you'd like to hear Windows 10 in action, there are podcasts devoted to
this (including mine). I talked about Windows 10 (although from another
screen reader's perspective) on Tek Talk for August 3rd, which can be found
at www.accessibleworld.org.
Cheers,
Joseph
P.S. I believe we have some Windows Insiders who uses JAWS, so you can ask
them also.







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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Can you restart Narrator with windows+Enter?


On 8/6/2015 9:04 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong when
trying
to activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either stuck or
something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the screen.

Sent from my iPhone 6!

On Aug 6, 2015, at 6:56 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Joseph and Rob,

Thank you for describing the accessibility of the upgrade process. I
just completed it, and both JAWS and Windows 10 are working well.

-----Original Message-----
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Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 6:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
I just want to remind you that Narrator on Windows 10 is started and
stopped by pressing windows key and enter.
after starting the upgrade, I believe the PC restarted twice, after
that I waited about 20 minutes and pressed windows+Enter and Narrator
helped me finish the setup.
At one point, Narrator would not read the screen, so I quit and
restarted it with windows+Enter.
dont forget to make a backup before upgrading.


On 8/6/2015 4:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
Hi,

I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to
this
topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully
installed or upgraded to Windows 10 independently.
Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this
but
don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to
make sure I can do this with one or two screen readers.
Any tips will be helpful.
I've got my machine set and ready to go.
Jim


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clean installation vs. upgrade

Kenny Peyattt jr.
 

Hi I already upgraded to windows 10, thats is why I was wondering how you go about retrieving the product key just in case I need to do a clean install.
Kenny Peyatt


Re: clean install vs upgrade:

 

Hi,
There are programs that'll do this, one of them is Magical Jellybean. On my
systems, I used Belarc Advisor.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Luis Difut via
Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 9:07 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Luis Difut <dragonwolfs@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: clean install vs upgrade:

How do you retrieve your windows 10 product key?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 11:56 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Joseph Lee
Subject: RE: clean install vs upgrade:

Hi,
You'll need to upgrade first before you can retrieve your Windows 10 product
key.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 8:54 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Kenny <p.wildcat1234@gmail.com>
Subject: clean install vs upgrade:

Hi How would you find the product key to enter before you install windows
10?
Kenny Peyatt

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Re: clean install vs upgrade:

Luis Difut
 

How do you retrieve your windows 10 product key?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 11:56 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Joseph Lee
Subject: RE: clean install vs upgrade:

Hi,
You'll need to upgrade first before you can retrieve your Windows 10 product
key.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 8:54 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Kenny <p.wildcat1234@gmail.com>
Subject: clean install vs upgrade:

Hi How would you find the product key to enter before you install windows
10?
Kenny Peyatt

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Re: Installation of Windows 10

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Good to know it comes in something besides a raw download; a flash drive sounds like just the thing for a program that size. If I decide to get it, it would be the first time I've ever had a Windows disc, as previous versions have always been OEM.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 10:46 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Joseph Lee
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
There is no command to restart Narrator.
Speaking of installing Windows, I'll go through some FAQ's I got from this list in this email:
* Compatible JFW release: Please use JAWS 16.0.4350 or later, or if you'd like to wait, please hold off until JAWS 17 comes out (public beta or official build will do).
* Clean install versus in-place upgrade: You can perform an in-place upgrade all by yourself with a screen reader running. Your computer will restart several times, and after some restarts, you'll hear silence from your computer. Once this happens, press Windows+ENTER to launch Narrator, and if your sound card is detected, Microsoft David will come up talking.
* Multiple clean install options: There are two ways of performing clean
install: bootable media or from Media Creation Tool. If using Media Creation tool option, the steps are same as above, except none of your programs and settings will be kept. If doing bootable media installation, then you'll indeed need some sighted assistance for the first few prompts to choose your language, entering your product key (don't have to enter it), choosing a partition and others. Once your computer restarts several times, follow the steps above to finish installing using Narrator (Windows 10 will come in either a DVD or on a flash drive).
* Some finds with JAWS 16.0.4350: My brief testing shows the following (at least on my computer):
1. In Start search box, JAWS does not announce search results automatically.
2. JAWS does not announce Action Center notifications, aa variation of Windows 8.x's toast notifications. They are toasts in disguise because you can press Windows+V to move to and interact with them, and press Windows+A to open Action Center. These are basic issues that should have been fixed in the first place, thus (in my opinion) disqualifying JAWS from being compatible with Windows 10 for now (I'm sure FS is working on it).
3. You can use TAB and Shift+TAB to move among links in Microsoft Edge (no virtual cursor, no forms mode, no support for MathML yet). There were tweets floating around which criticized FS for not supporting Edge yet, but that's expected (the biggest nightmare for screen reader vendors is whenever Microsoft comes out with a new version of Windows; Windows 8.x users tasted this, and it'll happen more frequently now that Microsoft will be updating Windows constantly to add new features which may break accessibility).
For resident geeks here:
* In order to let your app support Windows 10, you need to modify app manifest in your application, which is what JAWS 16.0.4350 could have done.
* UIA (User Interface Automation) is more prominent now, with universal apps using UIA.
* Microsoft Edge is filled with UIA objects, thus you need to know how UIA works (at least a high-level overview) when scripting for Windows 10 apps and for supporting Edge.
If you'd like to hear Windows 10 in action, there are podcasts devoted to this (including mine). I talked about Windows 10 (although from another screen reader's perspective) on Tek Talk for August 3rd, which can be found at www.accessibleworld.org.
Cheers,
Joseph
P.S. I believe we have some Windows Insiders who uses JAWS, so you can ask them also.







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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Can you restart Narrator with windows+Enter?


On 8/6/2015 9:04 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong when
trying
to activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either stuck or something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the screen.

Sent from my iPhone 6!

On Aug 6, 2015, at 6:56 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Joseph and Rob,

Thank you for describing the accessibility of the upgrade process. I
just completed it, and both JAWS and Windows 10 are working well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via
Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 6:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
I just want to remind you that Narrator on Windows 10 is started and
stopped by pressing windows key and enter.
after starting the upgrade, I believe the PC restarted twice, after
that I waited about 20 minutes and pressed windows+Enter and Narrator
helped me finish the setup.
At one point, Narrator would not read the screen, so I quit and
restarted it with windows+Enter.
dont forget to make a backup before upgrading.


On 8/6/2015 4:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
Hi,

I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to
this
topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully
installed or upgraded to Windows 10 independently.
Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this
but
don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to
make sure I can do this with one or two screen readers.
Any tips will be helpful.
I've got my machine set and ready to go.
Jim


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Re: outlook 2013 email reading curiosity

Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
 

Hello Kimsan,
I have Windows 7, 64 bit, the latest Jaws, and Office 365, and have not
experienced that in Outlook 2013, but am experiencing it in Word
occasionally, which makes proof reading problematic.
Cheers Kevin.

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Sent: August-07-15 1:27 AM
To: jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Kimsan <kimsansong@gmail.com>
Subject: outlook 2013 email reading curiosity

Does anyone have outlook 2013, if so, when you open up an email and read it
or if it reads automatically for you, do you find that jaws reads it twice
as to say, pay attention! I'm only going to read it one more time to you!

It didn't do that in 2010, only here in 2013. Honestly, when it does that,
my brain gets confused lol.

FYI, using windows 10 pro and jaws 4350

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Re: clean install vs upgrade:

 

Hi,
You'll need to upgrade first before you can retrieve your Windows 10 product
key.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 8:54 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Kenny <p.wildcat1234@gmail.com>
Subject: clean install vs upgrade:

Hi How would you find the product key to enter before you install windows
10?
Kenny Peyatt

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Re: Installation of Windows 10

Andre Jarreau <andre.jarreau@...>
 

I have a question about Win10 install. I have Win7 and can free upgrade.
Did someone say a Win10 could be installed without using Win7 or 8? I would
like to completely wipe out my hard drive then run a destroyer program to
assure the only thing on the disc is binary zeros. Then a clean Win7 can be
installed and a downloaded J16, new Outlook ect. Too many files on my hard
drive are corrupt. Outlook will run but freezes and crashes and is
sometimes extremely slow. Just want the best out of my machine.

Clarity would be greatly appreciated.

Andre

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mote
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 10:37 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Michael Mote
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

I wanted to point out something regarding Narrator. I have tried using the
Windows key plus Enter command to launch it on both my Windows 7 and 8.1
computers. It does not launch it on my Windows 7 machine, but it does on my
Windows 8.1 machine. I'm bringing this up for the benefit of those who are
upgrading from Windows 8.1 to version 10. Windows key plus enter may be an
option for you. I don't mean to confuse the issue at all, but did want to
share my experience here.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 9:46 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
There is no command to restart Narrator.
Speaking of installing Windows, I'll go through some FAQ's I got from this
list in this email:
* Compatible JFW release: Please use JAWS 16.0.4350 or later, or if you'd
like to wait, please hold off until JAWS 17 comes out (public beta or
official build will do).
* Clean install versus in-place upgrade: You can perform an in-place upgrade
all by yourself with a screen reader running. Your computer will restart
several times, and after some restarts, you'll hear silence from your
computer. Once this happens, press Windows+ENTER to launch Narrator, and if
your sound card is detected, Microsoft David will come up talking.
* Multiple clean install options: There are two ways of performing clean
install: bootable media or from Media Creation Tool. If using Media Creation
tool option, the steps are same as above, except none of your programs and
settings will be kept. If doing bootable media installation, then you'll
indeed need some sighted assistance for the first few prompts to choose your
language, entering your product key (don't have to enter it), choosing a
partition and others. Once your computer restarts several times, follow the
steps above to finish installing using Narrator (Windows 10 will come in
either a DVD or on a flash drive).
* Some finds with JAWS 16.0.4350: My brief testing shows the following (at
least on my computer):
1. In Start search box, JAWS does not announce search results automatically.
2. JAWS does not announce Action Center notifications, aa variation of
Windows 8.x's toast notifications. They are toasts in disguise because you
can press Windows+V to move to and interact with them, and press Windows+A
to open Action Center. These are basic issues that should have been fixed in
the first place, thus (in my opinion) disqualifying JAWS from being
compatible with Windows 10 for now (I'm sure FS is working on it).
3. You can use TAB and Shift+TAB to move among links in Microsoft Edge (no
virtual cursor, no forms mode, no support for MathML yet). There were tweets
floating around which criticized FS for not supporting Edge yet, but that's
expected (the biggest nightmare for screen reader vendors is whenever
Microsoft comes out with a new version of Windows; Windows 8.x users tasted
this, and it'll happen more frequently now that Microsoft will be updating
Windows constantly to add new features which may break accessibility).
For resident geeks here:
* In order to let your app support Windows 10, you need to modify app
manifest in your application, which is what JAWS 16.0.4350 could have done.
* UIA (User Interface Automation) is more prominent now, with universal apps
using UIA.
* Microsoft Edge is filled with UIA objects, thus you need to know how UIA
works (at least a high-level overview) when scripting for Windows 10 apps
and for supporting Edge.
If you'd like to hear Windows 10 in action, there are podcasts devoted to
this (including mine). I talked about Windows 10 (although from another
screen reader's perspective) on Tek Talk for August 3rd, which can be found
at www.accessibleworld.org.
Cheers,
Joseph
P.S. I believe we have some Windows Insiders who uses JAWS, so you can ask
them also.







-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Can you restart Narrator with windows+Enter?


On 8/6/2015 9:04 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong when
trying
to activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either stuck or
something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the screen.

Sent from my iPhone 6!

On Aug 6, 2015, at 6:56 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Joseph and Rob,

Thank you for describing the accessibility of the upgrade process. I
just completed it, and both JAWS and Windows 10 are working well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via
Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 6:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
I just want to remind you that Narrator on Windows 10 is started and
stopped by pressing windows key and enter.
after starting the upgrade, I believe the PC restarted twice, after
that I waited about 20 minutes and pressed windows+Enter and Narrator
helped me finish the setup.
At one point, Narrator would not read the screen, so I quit and
restarted it with windows+Enter.
dont forget to make a backup before upgrading.


On 8/6/2015 4:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
Hi,

I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to
this
topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully
installed or upgraded to Windows 10 independently.
Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this
but
don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to
make sure I can do this with one or two screen readers.
Any tips will be helpful.
I've got my machine set and ready to go.
Jim


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clean install vs upgrade:

Kenny Peyattt jr.
 

Hi How would you find the product key to enter before you install windows 10?
Kenny Peyatt


Re: Installation of Windows 10

 

Hi,
Ah yes, thankns for this reminder (for those upgrading from 7, if
Windows+ENTER isn't working, ress Windows+U, then launch Narrator).
Cheers,
Josoeph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mote
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 8:37 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Michael Mote <miketmote73@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

I wanted to point out something regarding Narrator. I have tried using the
Windows key plus Enter command to launch it on both my Windows 7 and 8.1
computers. It does not launch it on my Windows 7 machine, but it does on my
Windows 8.1 machine. I'm bringing this up for the benefit of those who are
upgrading from Windows 8.1 to version 10. Windows key plus enter may be an
option for you. I don't mean to confuse the issue at all, but did want to
share my experience here.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 9:46 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
There is no command to restart Narrator.
Speaking of installing Windows, I'll go through some FAQ's I got from this
list in this email:
* Compatible JFW release: Please use JAWS 16.0.4350 or later, or if you'd
like to wait, please hold off until JAWS 17 comes out (public beta or
official build will do).
* Clean install versus in-place upgrade: You can perform an in-place upgrade
all by yourself with a screen reader running. Your computer will restart
several times, and after some restarts, you'll hear silence from your
computer. Once this happens, press Windows+ENTER to launch Narrator, and if
your sound card is detected, Microsoft David will come up talking.
* Multiple clean install options: There are two ways of performing clean
install: bootable media or from Media Creation Tool. If using Media Creation
tool option, the steps are same as above, except none of your programs and
settings will be kept. If doing bootable media installation, then you'll
indeed need some sighted assistance for the first few prompts to choose your
language, entering your product key (don't have to enter it), choosing a
partition and others. Once your computer restarts several times, follow the
steps above to finish installing using Narrator (Windows 10 will come in
either a DVD or on a flash drive).
* Some finds with JAWS 16.0.4350: My brief testing shows the following (at
least on my computer):
1. In Start search box, JAWS does not announce search results automatically.
2. JAWS does not announce Action Center notifications, aa variation of
Windows 8.x's toast notifications. They are toasts in disguise because you
can press Windows+V to move to and interact with them, and press Windows+A
to open Action Center. These are basic issues that should have been fixed in
the first place, thus (in my opinion) disqualifying JAWS from being
compatible with Windows 10 for now (I'm sure FS is working on it).
3. You can use TAB and Shift+TAB to move among links in Microsoft Edge (no
virtual cursor, no forms mode, no support for MathML yet). There were tweets
floating around which criticized FS for not supporting Edge yet, but that's
expected (the biggest nightmare for screen reader vendors is whenever
Microsoft comes out with a new version of Windows; Windows 8.x users tasted
this, and it'll happen more frequently now that Microsoft will be updating
Windows constantly to add new features which may break accessibility).
For resident geeks here:
* In order to let your app support Windows 10, you need to modify app
manifest in your application, which is what JAWS 16.0.4350 could have done.
* UIA (User Interface Automation) is more prominent now, with universal apps
using UIA.
* Microsoft Edge is filled with UIA objects, thus you need to know how UIA
works (at least a high-level overview) when scripting for Windows 10 apps
and for supporting Edge.
If you'd like to hear Windows 10 in action, there are podcasts devoted to
this (including mine). I talked about Windows 10 (although from another
screen reader's perspective) on Tek Talk for August 3rd, which can be found
at www.accessibleworld.org.
Cheers,
Joseph
P.S. I believe we have some Windows Insiders who uses JAWS, so you can ask
them also.







-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Can you restart Narrator with windows+Enter?


On 8/6/2015 9:04 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong when
trying
to activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either stuck or
something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the screen.

Sent from my iPhone 6!

On Aug 6, 2015, at 6:56 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Joseph and Rob,

Thank you for describing the accessibility of the upgrade process. I
just completed it, and both JAWS and Windows 10 are working well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via
Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 6:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
I just want to remind you that Narrator on Windows 10 is started and
stopped by pressing windows key and enter.
after starting the upgrade, I believe the PC restarted twice, after
that I waited about 20 minutes and pressed windows+Enter and Narrator
helped me finish the setup.
At one point, Narrator would not read the screen, so I quit and
restarted it with windows+Enter.
dont forget to make a backup before upgrading.


On 8/6/2015 4:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
Hi,

I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to
this
topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully
installed or upgraded to Windows 10 independently.
Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this
but
don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to
make sure I can do this with one or two screen readers.
Any tips will be helpful.
I've got my machine set and ready to go.
Jim


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Re: Windows 10 Clean Install vs. In-Place Upgrade

 

Hi,
You can choose between in-place upgrade or clean install. After selecting
"Upgrade my PC", you'll be asked if you'd like to keep your apps and
settings or remove them all (first option is in-place upgrade, and the
second is clean install).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 8:17 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Windows 10 Clean Install vs. In-Place Upgrade

Joseph,

So in your summary, you say that using the Media Creation Tool will not keep
your programs and settings? It would end up being a factory default install
of Windows 10 and require installing all my programs from scratch? Does not
sound like what I want to do.

Or are you saying that I can use the Media Creation Tool to do an In-Place
Upgrade and not lose all my programs? Please clarify.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 07:46 AM
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10


Hi,
There is no command to restart Narrator.
Speaking of installing Windows, I'll go through some FAQ's I got from this
list in this email:
* Compatible JFW release: Please use JAWS 16.0.4350 or later, or if you'd
like to wait, please hold off until JAWS 17 comes out (public beta or
official build will do).
* Clean install versus in-place upgrade: You can perform an in-place upgrade
all by yourself with a screen reader running. Your computer will restart
several times, and after some restarts, you'll hear silence from your
computer. Once this happens, press Windows+ENTER to launch Narrator, and if
your sound card is detected, Microsoft David will come up talking.
* Multiple clean install options: There are two ways of performing clean
install: bootable media or from Media Creation Tool. If using Media Creation
tool option, the steps are same as above, except none of your programs and
settings will be kept. If doing bootable media installation, then you'll
indeed need some sighted assistance for the first few prompts to choose your
language, entering your product key (don't have to enter it), choosing a
partition and others. Once your computer restarts several times, follow the
steps above to finish installing using Narrator (Windows 10 will come in
either a DVD or on a flash drive).
* Some finds with JAWS 16.0.4350: My brief testing shows the following (at
least on my computer):
1. In Start search box, JAWS does not announce search results automatically.
2. JAWS does not announce Action Center notifications, aa variation of
Windows 8.x's toast notifications. They are toasts in disguise because you
can press Windows+V to move to and interact with them, and press Windows+A
to open Action Center. These are basic issues that should have been fixed in
the first place, thus (in my opinion) disqualifying JAWS from being
compatible with Windows 10 for now (I'm sure FS is working on it).
3. You can use TAB and Shift+TAB to move among links in Microsoft Edge (no
virtual cursor, no forms mode, no support for MathML yet). There were tweets
floating around which criticized FS for not supporting Edge yet, but that's
expected (the biggest nightmare for screen reader vendors is whenever
Microsoft comes out with a new version of Windows; Windows 8.x users tasted
this, and it'll happen more frequently now that Microsoft will be updating
Windows constantly to add new features which may break accessibility).
For resident geeks here:
* In order to let your app support Windows 10, you need to modify app
manifest in your application, which is what JAWS 16.0.4350 could have done.
* UIA (User Interface Automation) is more prominent now, with universal apps
using UIA.
* Microsoft Edge is filled with UIA objects, thus you need to know how UIA
works (at least a high-level overview) when scripting for Windows 10 apps
and for supporting Edge.
If you'd like to hear Windows 10 in action, there are podcasts devoted to
this (including mine). I talked about Windows 10 (although from another
screen reader's perspective) on Tek Talk for August 3rd, which can be found
at www.accessibleworld.org.
Cheers,
Joseph
P.S. I believe we have some Windows Insiders who uses JAWS, so you can ask
them also.







-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Can you restart Narrator with windows+Enter?


On 8/6/2015 9:04 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong when trying
to activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either stuck or
something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the screen.

Sent from my iPhone 6!

On Aug 6, 2015, at 6:56 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Joseph and Rob,

Thank you for describing the accessibility of the upgrade process. I
just completed it, and both JAWS and Windows 10 are working well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via
Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 6:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
I just want to remind you that Narrator on Windows 10 is started and
stopped by pressing windows key and enter.
after starting the upgrade, I believe the PC restarted twice, after
that I waited about 20 minutes and pressed windows+Enter and Narrator
helped me finish the setup.
At one point, Narrator would not read the screen, so I quit and
restarted it with windows+Enter.
dont forget to make a backup before upgrading.


On 8/6/2015 4:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
Hi,

I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to
this
topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully
installed or upgraded to Windows 10 independently.
Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this
but
don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to
make sure I can do this with one or two screen readers.
Any tips will be helpful.
I've got my machine set and ready to go.
Jim


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Re: Installation of Windows 10

Michael Mote
 

I wanted to point out something regarding Narrator. I have tried using the
Windows key plus Enter command to launch it on both my Windows 7 and 8.1
computers. It does not launch it on my Windows 7 machine, but it does on my
Windows 8.1 machine. I'm bringing this up for the benefit of those who are
upgrading from Windows 8.1 to version 10. Windows key plus enter may be an
option for you. I don't mean to confuse the issue at all, but did want to
share my experience here.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 9:46 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
There is no command to restart Narrator.
Speaking of installing Windows, I'll go through some FAQ's I got from this
list in this email:
* Compatible JFW release: Please use JAWS 16.0.4350 or later, or if you'd
like to wait, please hold off until JAWS 17 comes out (public beta or
official build will do).
* Clean install versus in-place upgrade: You can perform an in-place upgrade
all by yourself with a screen reader running. Your computer will restart
several times, and after some restarts, you'll hear silence from your
computer. Once this happens, press Windows+ENTER to launch Narrator, and if
your sound card is detected, Microsoft David will come up talking.
* Multiple clean install options: There are two ways of performing clean
install: bootable media or from Media Creation Tool. If using Media Creation
tool option, the steps are same as above, except none of your programs and
settings will be kept. If doing bootable media installation, then you'll
indeed need some sighted assistance for the first few prompts to choose your
language, entering your product key (don't have to enter it), choosing a
partition and others. Once your computer restarts several times, follow the
steps above to finish installing using Narrator (Windows 10 will come in
either a DVD or on a flash drive).
* Some finds with JAWS 16.0.4350: My brief testing shows the following (at
least on my computer):
1. In Start search box, JAWS does not announce search results automatically.
2. JAWS does not announce Action Center notifications, aa variation of
Windows 8.x's toast notifications. They are toasts in disguise because you
can press Windows+V to move to and interact with them, and press Windows+A
to open Action Center. These are basic issues that should have been fixed in
the first place, thus (in my opinion) disqualifying JAWS from being
compatible with Windows 10 for now (I'm sure FS is working on it).
3. You can use TAB and Shift+TAB to move among links in Microsoft Edge (no
virtual cursor, no forms mode, no support for MathML yet). There were tweets
floating around which criticized FS for not supporting Edge yet, but that's
expected (the biggest nightmare for screen reader vendors is whenever
Microsoft comes out with a new version of Windows; Windows 8.x users tasted
this, and it'll happen more frequently now that Microsoft will be updating
Windows constantly to add new features which may break accessibility).
For resident geeks here:
* In order to let your app support Windows 10, you need to modify app
manifest in your application, which is what JAWS 16.0.4350 could have done.
* UIA (User Interface Automation) is more prominent now, with universal apps
using UIA.
* Microsoft Edge is filled with UIA objects, thus you need to know how UIA
works (at least a high-level overview) when scripting for Windows 10 apps
and for supporting Edge.
If you'd like to hear Windows 10 in action, there are podcasts devoted to
this (including mine). I talked about Windows 10 (although from another
screen reader's perspective) on Tek Talk for August 3rd, which can be found
at www.accessibleworld.org.
Cheers,
Joseph
P.S. I believe we have some Windows Insiders who uses JAWS, so you can ask
them also.







-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Can you restart Narrator with windows+Enter?


On 8/6/2015 9:04 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong when
trying
to activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either stuck or
something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the screen.

Sent from my iPhone 6!

On Aug 6, 2015, at 6:56 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Joseph and Rob,

Thank you for describing the accessibility of the upgrade process. I
just completed it, and both JAWS and Windows 10 are working well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via
Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 6:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
I just want to remind you that Narrator on Windows 10 is started and
stopped by pressing windows key and enter.
after starting the upgrade, I believe the PC restarted twice, after
that I waited about 20 minutes and pressed windows+Enter and Narrator
helped me finish the setup.
At one point, Narrator would not read the screen, so I quit and
restarted it with windows+Enter.
dont forget to make a backup before upgrading.


On 8/6/2015 4:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
Hi,

I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to
this
topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully
installed or upgraded to Windows 10 independently.
Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this
but
don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to
make sure I can do this with one or two screen readers.
Any tips will be helpful.
I've got my machine set and ready to go.
Jim


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Windows 10 Clean Install vs. In-Place Upgrade

Dave...
 

Joseph,

So in your summary, you say that using the Media Creation Tool will not keep
your programs and settings? It would end up being a factory default install
of Windows 10 and require installing all my programs from scratch? Does not
sound like what I want to do.

Or are you saying that I can use the Media Creation Tool to do an In-Place
Upgrade and not lose all my programs? Please clarify.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 07:46 AM
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10


Hi,
There is no command to restart Narrator.
Speaking of installing Windows, I'll go through some FAQ's I got from this
list in this email:
* Compatible JFW release: Please use JAWS 16.0.4350 or later, or if you'd
like to wait, please hold off until JAWS 17 comes out (public beta or
official build will do).
* Clean install versus in-place upgrade: You can perform an in-place upgrade
all by yourself with a screen reader running. Your computer will restart
several times, and after some restarts, you'll hear silence from your
computer. Once this happens, press Windows+ENTER to launch Narrator, and if
your sound card is detected, Microsoft David will come up talking.
* Multiple clean install options: There are two ways of performing clean
install: bootable media or from Media Creation Tool. If using Media Creation
tool option, the steps are same as above, except none of your programs and
settings will be kept. If doing bootable media installation, then you'll
indeed need some sighted assistance for the first few prompts to choose your
language, entering your product key (don't have to enter it), choosing a
partition and others. Once your computer restarts several times, follow the
steps above to finish installing using Narrator (Windows 10 will come in
either a DVD or on a flash drive).
* Some finds with JAWS 16.0.4350: My brief testing shows the following (at
least on my computer):
1. In Start search box, JAWS does not announce search results automatically.
2. JAWS does not announce Action Center notifications, aa variation of
Windows 8.x's toast notifications. They are toasts in disguise because you
can press Windows+V to move to and interact with them, and press Windows+A
to open Action Center. These are basic issues that should have been fixed in
the first place, thus (in my opinion) disqualifying JAWS from being
compatible with Windows 10 for now (I'm sure FS is working on it).
3. You can use TAB and Shift+TAB to move among links in Microsoft Edge (no
virtual cursor, no forms mode, no support for MathML yet). There were tweets
floating around which criticized FS for not supporting Edge yet, but that's
expected (the biggest nightmare for screen reader vendors is whenever
Microsoft comes out with a new version of Windows; Windows 8.x users tasted
this, and it'll happen more frequently now that Microsoft will be updating
Windows constantly to add new features which may break accessibility).
For resident geeks here:
* In order to let your app support Windows 10, you need to modify app
manifest in your application, which is what JAWS 16.0.4350 could have done.
* UIA (User Interface Automation) is more prominent now, with universal apps
using UIA.
* Microsoft Edge is filled with UIA objects, thus you need to know how UIA
works (at least a high-level overview) when scripting for Windows 10 apps
and for supporting Edge.
If you'd like to hear Windows 10 in action, there are podcasts devoted to
this (including mine). I talked about Windows 10 (although from another
screen reader's perspective) on Tek Talk for August 3rd, which can be found
at www.accessibleworld.org.
Cheers,
Joseph
P.S. I believe we have some Windows Insiders who uses JAWS, so you can ask
them also.







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Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:14 AM
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Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Can you restart Narrator with windows+Enter?


On 8/6/2015 9:04 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong when trying
to activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either stuck or
something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the screen.

Sent from my iPhone 6!

On Aug 6, 2015, at 6:56 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Joseph and Rob,

Thank you for describing the accessibility of the upgrade process. I
just completed it, and both JAWS and Windows 10 are working well.

-----Original Message-----
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Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 6:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
I just want to remind you that Narrator on Windows 10 is started and
stopped by pressing windows key and enter.
after starting the upgrade, I believe the PC restarted twice, after
that I waited about 20 minutes and pressed windows+Enter and Narrator
helped me finish the setup.
At one point, Narrator would not read the screen, so I quit and
restarted it with windows+Enter.
dont forget to make a backup before upgrading.


On 8/6/2015 4:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
Hi,

I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to
this
topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully
installed or upgraded to Windows 10 independently.
Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this
but
don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to
make sure I can do this with one or two screen readers.
Any tips will be helpful.
I've got my machine set and ready to go.
Jim


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Re: Installation of Windows 10

 

Hi,
There is no command to restart Narrator.
Speaking of installing Windows, I'll go through some FAQ's I got from this
list in this email:
* Compatible JFW release: Please use JAWS 16.0.4350 or later, or if you'd
like to wait, please hold off until JAWS 17 comes out (public beta or
official build will do).
* Clean install versus in-place upgrade: You can perform an in-place upgrade
all by yourself with a screen reader running. Your computer will restart
several times, and after some restarts, you'll hear silence from your
computer. Once this happens, press Windows+ENTER to launch Narrator, and if
your sound card is detected, Microsoft David will come up talking.
* Multiple clean install options: There are two ways of performing clean
install: bootable media or from Media Creation Tool. If using Media Creation
tool option, the steps are same as above, except none of your programs and
settings will be kept. If doing bootable media installation, then you'll
indeed need some sighted assistance for the first few prompts to choose your
language, entering your product key (don't have to enter it), choosing a
partition and others. Once your computer restarts several times, follow the
steps above to finish installing using Narrator (Windows 10 will come in
either a DVD or on a flash drive).
* Some finds with JAWS 16.0.4350: My brief testing shows the following (at
least on my computer):
1. In Start search box, JAWS does not announce search results automatically.
2. JAWS does not announce Action Center notifications, aa variation of
Windows 8.x's toast notifications. They are toasts in disguise because you
can press Windows+V to move to and interact with them, and press Windows+A
to open Action Center. These are basic issues that should have been fixed in
the first place, thus (in my opinion) disqualifying JAWS from being
compatible with Windows 10 for now (I'm sure FS is working on it).
3. You can use TAB and Shift+TAB to move among links in Microsoft Edge (no
virtual cursor, no forms mode, no support for MathML yet). There were tweets
floating around which criticized FS for not supporting Edge yet, but that's
expected (the biggest nightmare for screen reader vendors is whenever
Microsoft comes out with a new version of Windows; Windows 8.x users tasted
this, and it'll happen more frequently now that Microsoft will be updating
Windows constantly to add new features which may break accessibility).
For resident geeks here:
* In order to let your app support Windows 10, you need to modify app
manifest in your application, which is what JAWS 16.0.4350 could have done.
* UIA (User Interface Automation) is more prominent now, with universal apps
using UIA.
* Microsoft Edge is filled with UIA objects, thus you need to know how UIA
works (at least a high-level overview) when scripting for Windows 10 apps
and for supporting Edge.
If you'd like to hear Windows 10 in action, there are podcasts devoted to
this (including mine). I talked about Windows 10 (although from another
screen reader's perspective) on Tek Talk for August 3rd, which can be found
at www.accessibleworld.org.
Cheers,
Joseph
P.S. I believe we have some Windows Insiders who uses JAWS, so you can ask
them also.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Can you restart Narrator with windows+Enter?


On 8/6/2015 9:04 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong when trying
to activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either stuck or
something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the screen.

Sent from my iPhone 6!

On Aug 6, 2015, at 6:56 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Joseph and Rob,

Thank you for describing the accessibility of the upgrade process. I
just completed it, and both JAWS and Windows 10 are working well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via
Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 6:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
I just want to remind you that Narrator on Windows 10 is started and
stopped by pressing windows key and enter.
after starting the upgrade, I believe the PC restarted twice, after
that I waited about 20 minutes and pressed windows+Enter and Narrator
helped me finish the setup.
At one point, Narrator would not read the screen, so I quit and
restarted it with windows+Enter.
dont forget to make a backup before upgrading.


On 8/6/2015 4:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
Hi,

I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to
this
topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully
installed or upgraded to Windows 10 independently.
Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this
but
don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to
make sure I can do this with one or two screen readers.
Any tips will be helpful.
I've got my machine set and ready to go.
Jim


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Re: Installation of Windows 10

Jim Portillo
 

No, it doesn't start or restart narrator.

Sent from my iPhone 6!

On Aug 7, 2015, at 7:14 AM, Rob via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Can you restart Narrator with windows+Enter?


On 8/6/2015 9:04 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong when trying to activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either stuck or something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the screen.

Sent from my iPhone 6!

On Aug 6, 2015, at 6:56 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Joseph and Rob,

Thank you for describing the accessibility of the upgrade process. I just
completed it, and both JAWS and Windows 10 are working well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 6:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
I just want to remind you that Narrator on Windows 10 is started and
stopped by pressing windows key and enter.
after starting the upgrade, I believe the PC restarted twice, after that
I waited about 20 minutes and pressed windows+Enter and Narrator helped
me finish the setup.
At one point, Narrator would not read the screen, so I quit and
restarted it with windows+Enter.
dont forget to make a backup before upgrading.


On 8/6/2015 4:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
Hi,

I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to this
topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully installed
or upgraded to Windows 10 independently.
Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this but
don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to make
sure I can do this with one or two screen readers.
Any tips will be helpful.
I've got my machine set and ready to go.
Jim


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Re: facebook and reading someone else's timeline

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Kimsan. To use the J,K navigation, you must have JAWS16, and you must have the option "allow application reserved keystroaks" checked in your settings under html options, Miscellaneous.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 1:52 AM
Subject: RE: facebook and reading someone else's timeline


I'm not understanding this j, k navigation tip.
When I press it, it says jump to line, but when I hit the pass through
command and then press it, it works. Also, this is only for the regular fb
page correct? Not the mobile site?
I think Adrian Sprat posted that link to the article where it talks about
the j, k stuff but I know longer have it. Can you help a brother out by
explaining how to use this method for navigation, or send the link for the
information.
Thank you.
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Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 11:26 AM
To: JAWS Users <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Paul Martz <skewmatrix@gmail.com>
Subject: facebook and reading someone else's timeline

Hi all. Another facebook accessibility questions.

Once I go to someone else's timeline or facebook page (anything other than
my own timeline, actually), how do I quickly navigate through the posted
news items on that page?

I understand that I can use j and k on my own news feed to move between
articles. But if I'm on someone else's timeline, j and k have no effect, and
as a result, there doesn't appear to be an easy way to move between articles
on a timeline.

Is anyone else seeing this? Any workarounds would be appreciated.
-Paul



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Re: Installation of Windows 10

Robert Cole
 

Can you restart Narrator with windows+Enter?

On 8/6/2015 9:04 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong when trying to activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either stuck or something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the screen.

Sent from my iPhone 6!

On Aug 6, 2015, at 6:56 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Joseph and Rob,

Thank you for describing the accessibility of the upgrade process. I just
completed it, and both JAWS and Windows 10 are working well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 6:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
I just want to remind you that Narrator on Windows 10 is started and
stopped by pressing windows key and enter.
after starting the upgrade, I believe the PC restarted twice, after that
I waited about 20 minutes and pressed windows+Enter and Narrator helped
me finish the setup.
At one point, Narrator would not read the screen, so I quit and
restarted it with windows+Enter.
dont forget to make a backup before upgrading.


On 8/6/2015 4:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
Hi,

I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to this
topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully installed
or upgraded to Windows 10 independently.
Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this but
don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to make
sure I can do this with one or two screen readers.
Any tips will be helpful.
I've got my machine set and ready to go.
Jim


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Re: audio program query

Mario
 

Joseph, take a look at PowerMixer:
www.actualsolution.com/power-mixer/

there are some youtube tutorials done by someone that sounds like writer bren (I'm not sure of the spelling) on how to set it up, etc. She did make 1 and 3 others not related to setting it up. I don't know if she made more.

if you're looking for something free, there's sound volume view by the same makers, but haven't used it or don't know of any tutorials.

On 8/6/2015 9:12 PM, joseph weakland via Jfw wrote:
does anyone know of an audio program that works like quickmix did that will work on a win7 32 bit or 64 bit system?
i found out quickmix not recommended for win7:(
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Re: Installation of Windows 10

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Also, having read the news release from FS, may I infer that one should cleanly and completely uninstall earlier versions of JAWS?

Ted

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Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 7:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Michal Nowicki
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Mark and Joe,

How did you know when to start Narrator? Did you launch it before starting the update?

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Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

I did it all by myself.
I upgraded from windows 7 home premium, running Jaws 16. Thanks to the people on the list as I had to do a repair on jaws.
I tried using narrator and that helped a little. But, I’m use to jaws, thus found it frustrating.

In short you can do it by yourself.

Mark
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Hi,

I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to this topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully installed or upgraded to Windows 10 independently.
Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this but don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to make sure I can do this with one or two screen readers.
Any tips will be helpful.
I've got my machine set and ready to go.
Jim


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