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Re: Best email client with Jaws

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

When you hit Control Y, of course, you get the option to switch to other
portions of Outlook, but it also announces how message you have unread.
Admittedly, unlike good old Outlook Express it doesn't give a total, then
give the unread messages. I do like the calendar though.

I had one problem. I was told that to block a sender to send the e-mail to
Junk, which worked for a couple, but not on the last one I attempted to
send. I ended up permanently deleting it, but I wanted to block it.

Another thing I am wanting to do, which is not specific to Outlook, but does
apply to it is to know how to add words to my dictionary, since Control A is
not doing that; also I want to know what commands to give Spell Check to
make the change I want.

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Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:19 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Cliff Self <cliff@cablespeed.com>
Subject: Best email client with Jaws

Okay, I'm sick of stumbling around in Outlook. I can't find the number of
messages in my Inbox, I keep losing mail, and the whole ribbon just doesn't
make much sense to me. Is there another, more accessible, and hopefully
free mail client I can switch to?



Cliff



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Re: Advice on Lenovo Laptop with JAWS

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Lenovo must love those lap top keyboards; one came with this nice big computer, and it now hides behind my dresser, replaced by an ordinary keyboard.

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Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:09 PM
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Subject: Re: Advice on Lenovo Laptop with JAWS

Hi Richard,

When I bought my Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 last November I had the tech guys at the place I bought it, Future Shop, go into the BIOS and change the function key settings so that they revert to standard function key operation. I can’t quite recall exactly what this setting in the BIOS is called. Someone else already mentioned this, but I thought I’d suggest getting someone in the store where you purchase your laptop to do this for you.

Cheers,

Russell
On Aug 10, 2015, at 7:24 AM, Richard B. McDonald via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Hi!



I am getting a Lenovo laptop (L440). Could you please reply with any
hints, tips, tricks or precautions about using it with JAWS?



Many thanks,

Richard

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Re: notes

Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
 

Thanks to Steve for coming to our rescue.
Cheers Kevin.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: August-09-15 9:13 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Kimsan <kimsansong@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: notes

Kevin:
Lol. I'm still working on thawing my brain out, I seriously thought under
the view menue, which I've toyed around with btw, it would produce the
result.

However, in 2013, in the legal note I wrote, I just wrote down the time and
day, as in Sunday but not the date as in august 8th, 2015.
If anyone has 2010, could they muc up their view in the notes folder and see
if it will work?


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via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 7:32 PM
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Cc: Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: notes

Hello Kimsan,
It is too bad your brain is frozen; it looks like your memory is the only
one with that info, lol.
Cheers Kevin.

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Cc: Kimsan <kimsansong@gmail.com>
Subject: notes

I'm having a brain freeze at the moment, but, when writing a note in
outlook 2013, since I'm using outlook 2013, if I was dumb enough to not
input when I wrote it is there a setting to have jaws echo that information?

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Re: weird editing problem in word 2010

Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@...>
 

Sounds like you may have inadvertently enabled navigation keys. Navigation
keys in Word is a feature similar to the virtual cursor in HTML
environments. In fact, the keystroke to turn this feature on and off is the
same as the command to toggle the virtual cursor: JAWS key plus z. See if
that works.

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Hunthausen via Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 4:50 PM
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Cc: Drew Hunthausen <dhunthausen@gmail.com>
Subject: weird editing problem in word 2010

Dear list,

I am using the latest build of jaws 16 and am having a problem that I cannot
figure out in Ms word 2010. When I open a document, doesn't matter if it's a
new one or one I'm opening from before, I cannot edit it. When I try to type
or do anything jaws will say things like this key is not available in ms
word or there are no graphics in this document. I found if I hit f-10 to go
into the menus and then exit out again it fixes the problem temporarily.
Once I alt tab out of the document and back in I have to do this again. No
clue what setting I changed. Any help is greatly appreciated. thanks





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Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Thanks, Kevin; this one is a saver.

Carolyn'

-----Original Message-----
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via Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 4:45 PM
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Cc: Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hello Carolyn,
To turn the virtual ribbon on or off;
1. Press insert F 2,
2. Press S approximately 3 times until you hear Settings Center, 3. Press
enter, 4. Type ribbon in the edit field that comes up, and down arrow to
select it, 5. You will probably be prompted to use the default, and
instructed to press control, shift, D; do so, 6. press space bar to choose
use virtual ribbon, or not, 7. Tab once for instructions or twice to the
okay button to implement your selection.
Cheers Kevin.

-----Original Message-----
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via Jfw
Sent: August-10-15 5:52 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Is there a way to get the traditional ribbon or whatever in 2013 and not
have this upper and lower ribbon?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 10:53 PM
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Cc: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

There's one more good reason to avoid FS's virtual ribbon. Using the MS
ribbon, we're using the same one that everyone in the world does. It means
we can share info with sighted people and take advantage of regular online
solutions when we encounter problems. I google solutions to Office problems
regularly, but the answers might do me little good if I'd resorted to the
virtual ribbon.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:33 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Les Kriegler
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

I think the instructions Bill is referring to is that as you tab, the
keystrokes for accessing the various options from within the ribbon are
given. Personally, I can live without that. I've had a real struggle with
the ribbons ever since I started to use them, and I think it's because
virtual ribbons were checked. I wondered why NVDA seemed to handle the
ribbons more effectively than Jaws, and now I think I understand why that
was the case. In retrospect, use of the virtual ribbons caused me more
trouble than they were worth. Perhaps FS will improve on that feature, but
for now, I won't be using that feature.

Les

-----Original Message-----
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via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 8:38 PM
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Cc: Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

So, Bill, if I lose JAWS instructions, I might not know what I'm doing or
where I am?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 7:13 PM
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Cc: Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi, Carolyn. You can either use the shortcuts, or you can use the arrow keys
plus the tab key to navigate the ribbon. You just lose some of the JAWS
instructions while navigating.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 4:03 PM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


So, if we take the check off the virtual ribbon, how do we navigate
for ribbon information?

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill
White via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 6:53 PM
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Cc: Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi, Les. The argument for not unchecking the Virtual Ribbon is this:
JAWS put in the "Virtual Ribbon" for those who wanted to manually
navigate the ribbons using the arrows and the Tab key. It is supposed
to make the menus more accessible, but I haven't found this to be true
in most instances.

Brad was saying that people may say to uncheck the Virtual Ribbon
without telling the person the down side of unchecking the Virtual
Ribbon. This may be true. However, some of the techs at FS tell you to
check the Virtual Ribbon, without telling you that this blocks the
function of some of the shortcuts.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Les Kriegler" <kriegler@nycap.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:14 PM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Okay, what are the consequences of unchecking the use of ribbons? I
followed Bill's instructions to uncheck it, and the shortcut keys are
easier to use, but I would like to know the argument for not doing
this. If it matters, I'm running Outlook 2013 with Jaws 16. Thanks.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 3:25 PM
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Cc: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Yes, but some people may want to stay with the virtual ribbon, which
is the FS attempt to make ribbon navigation easier for visually
impaired users.
Personally, I stayed with the regular ribbon, which is fine once you
get used to it. All I'm saying is that people considering unchecking
this option need to be aware of the consequences.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill
White via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

To check your settings for the Virtual Ribbon Menu in JAWS:

Press JAWS KEY plus F2. Arrow down to Settings Center and press Enter.
Press the letter M until it says Miscellaneous. Press Right Arrow to
Open Miscellaneous.

Arrow down to Virtual Ribbon Menu. It will probably tell you that
this setting is unavailable except in the default configuration of JAWS.

To load the default configuration: Press Shift plus Control plus the
letter D as in dog.

Once your default configuration is loaded, you can Press the Up and
Down Arrow to see if your Virtual Ribbon Menu is checked or not. You
want it to be unchecked if you want all of the keyboard shortcuts to
work
properly.
If
it is checked, press the Space Bar to uncheck it. Then Tab to OK and
press Enter to save these settings.

I hope this helps you.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Where is it that you go to check about the virtual ribbon?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill
White via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 1:33 PM
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Cc: Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi, Les and Barbara. Could this problem with pressing:
ALT plus V, followed by C, followed by V, be related to whether the
Virtual Ribbon is checked or unchecked in your Default Configuration
Menu?

This keyboard shortcut may work only if the Virtual Ribbon option
under Miscellaneous is unchecked.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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From: "Les Kriegler via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Les Kriegler" <kriegler@nycap.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Hi,

I'm having the same problem Barbara is having. I press Alt-V
followed by C and V and hear nothing. Tabbing yields a blank area
which Jaws speaks.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
Hourigan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:01 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kevin Hourigan
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hello Barbra,
I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013,
and pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up
"Current view group box", with a list of options, Cheers Kevin.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
Barbara Hansen via Jfw
Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
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Cc: Barbara Hansen <the2skibears@embarqmail.com>
Subject: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi List friends,



Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the
suggestion to change the view menu, I need to know how to do this.
The suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up
the ribbons menu and enter on the "view" menu, nothing happens. It
just says "blank". I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says
"blank".



Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Barbara

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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Same here. I say, "it's a big world out there," and head out to something
else like reading, crocheting, practicing piano, cleaning, telephone and on
and on.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 4:17 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Jim Hamilton <jim.hamilton@rogers.com>
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Dave:

You have more patience than I. If JAWS does not return within a minute or
so, I do a (you should excuse the expression) blind shutdown of JAWS, go to
the DESKTOP, where I have already placed the focus, and reopened JAWS. Mind
you, if a good pair of eyes is ready/willing/able, not to mention actually
present, I am not shy about asking for help in case something is going on -
un related to JAWS.

However, when no "eyes" are around, it feels like the world has been shut
off; so, I know what you mean by waiting for nothing. I usually try to find
something else to do.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 2:02 PM
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Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Jim,

Pretty much hit-or-miss. It would depend on the Operating System + Video
Device Driver + JAWS Version + Program Version + Unknown Gremlins.

Very hard to duplicate symptoms with so many variables. I do know that JAWS
16 tendency to close and reopen without any warning is a bit of a thorn in
my side. There are times when it won't come back at all, and I'm sitting
there with my hands poised, waiting for nothing.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Jim Hamilton" <jim.hamilton@rogers.com>
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 10:43 AM
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Dave:

Very enlightening! For some reason, I never got around to, nor frankly
considered, uninstalling previous versions of JAWS, and this may have proven
to be "far-sighted" after all. I think that I may adopt your 3 most-recent
version strategy myself. However, once someone moves to Windows 10,
previous JAWS versions will not work - from what I gather.

However, it may be a while before I upgrade to Windows 10. So, for now, are
there some applications that typically misbehave with the latest JAWS
offering? Or, as with many things, it is pretty much a hit or miss
situation?

Thanks.

Jim H

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Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Jim,

As to previous versions -- simply because the current install is running
fine, it does not mean that it will run so with all applications. I
occasionally run JAWS 15 when JAWS 16 is misbehaving in a particular
program. I delete versions older than 3 major revisions back, just to keep
things simpler. And I still have all the executables for last revisions of
all major versions going back to 3.5. Of course that's just my
anal-retentive nature at work, having sufficient hard disk space to justify
that level of insanity.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

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Cc: "Jim Hamilton" <jim.hamilton@rogers.com>
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 09:30 AM
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Don't mean to be "smart"; but, why would you want to use previous versions
of JAWS if you have the latest version running successfully. I'm sure that
there is a really good reason for it! :) :)

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What I lose is the ability to use previous versions of JAWS.


On 8/9/2015 8:21 PM, Gary King via Jfw wrote:
The free feed is to lure the deer into the killing ground. I don't
think the free Windows 10 upgrade offer is quite that sinister though.
Just good old Microsoft's way of trying to keep it's dominant
position.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
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Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:06 AM
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Are you saying Win10 smells? Hard to make out the meaning of this,
um, adage.

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McBride via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:05 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

As I pointed out earlier, a deer gets free feed at his local deer
stand feeder.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers
to the end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the
time? I'm waiting for the first service pack (MS always comes out
with one) and FS's first rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will
appear within the year.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill
White via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade,
Windows10 won't be free anymore.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Brad Martin" <brad@formyfriends.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest,
and I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail
program; you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF
documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like
to know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new
operating system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only
benefit I can see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond
January of 2020, where Windows
7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should
cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, "If
it ain't broke, don't fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like
to know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial
in the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your
functioning computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in
mall?
--
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Re: Advice on Lenovo Laptop with JAWS

Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@...>
 

On HP laptops, it is called Action Keys Mode. I don't know about Lenovo, though.

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Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 4:09 PM
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Cc: Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Advice on Lenovo Laptop with JAWS

Hi Richard,

When I bought my Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 last November I had the tech guys at the place I bought it, Future Shop, go into the BIOS and change the function key settings so that they revert to standard function key operation. I can’t quite recall exactly what this setting in the BIOS is called. Someone else already mentioned this, but I thought I’d suggest getting someone in the store where you purchase your laptop to do this for you.

Cheers,

Russell
On Aug 10, 2015, at 7:24 AM, Richard B. McDonald via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Hi!



I am getting a Lenovo laptop (L440). Could you please reply with any
hints, tips, tricks or precautions about using it with JAWS?



Many thanks,

Richard

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Re: Best email client with Jaws

Melissa Stott <mstott69@...>
 

I use Windows Live Mail.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 10, 2015, at 5:19 PM, Cliff Self via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Okay, I'm sick of stumbling around in Outlook. I can't find the number of
messages in my Inbox, I keep losing mail, and the whole ribbon just doesn't
make much sense to me. Is there another, more accessible, and hopefully
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weird editing problem in word 2010

Drew Hunthausen
 

Dear list,

I am using the latest build of jaws 16 and am having a problem that I cannot
figure out in Ms word 2010. When I open a document, doesn't matter if it's a
new one or one I'm opening from before, I cannot edit it. When I try to type
or do anything jaws will say things like this key is not available in ms
word or there are no graphics in this document. I found if I hit f-10 to go
into the menus and then exit out again it fixes the problem temporarily.
Once I alt tab out of the document and back in I have to do this again. No
clue what setting I changed. Any help is greatly appreciated. thanks





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Re: Best email client with Jaws

dennis
 

try thunderbird.

On 8/10/2015 4:19 PM, Cliff Self via Jfw wrote:
Okay, I'm sick of stumbling around in Outlook. I can't find the number of
messages in my Inbox, I keep losing mail, and the whole ribbon just doesn't
make much sense to me. Is there another, more accessible, and hopefully
free mail client I can switch to?


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Re: Advice on Lenovo Laptop with JAWS

Merv Keck <blind5sparrow@...>
 

Hi,
This is probably not the most popular choice, however, since it works for me very well I will present it as a viable alternative, smile! I recently purchased a 16 GB Lenovo Z70 from amazon and it is a very nice machine. The only issue I had with it was the integrated sound used a smart audio driver that was almost like the audio ducking on an iPhone. When Jaws was talking during a system sound event my Jaws would reduce speech volume by at least half and sometimes stay down there for a minute or more. It was Dolby 5.1 sound just had it quirks. However, my correction for that is another subject.
To address your subject, this is a 17.3 inch display and the surface of the laptop is rather large. In fact the touch screen in front of the full keyboard is the largest and widest I have ever seen on a laptop. And I had one of those big dell 20 inch all in one models that you needed two hands to pick up back in the days of Vista.
So in order to keep from constantly bumping this massive touch screen I just started using an external keyboard which I preferred anyway. Since this keyboard does not have a function key it does not force me to use the F keys as media keys so I did not need to mess around in the bios. As an added bonus if I do want to use them as media keys like today when I wanted to mute Jaws in a hurry during a phone call I reached over and muted it on the laptop and then when I got off the phone I reached over and unmuted it on the laptop. So I basically have the best of both worlds this way.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:09 PM
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Cc: Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Advice on Lenovo Laptop with JAWS

Hi Richard,

When I bought my Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 last November I had the tech guys at the place I bought it, Future Shop, go into the BIOS and change the function key settings so that they revert to standard function key operation. I can’t quite recall exactly what this setting in the BIOS is called. Someone else already mentioned this, but I thought I’d suggest getting someone in the store where you purchase your laptop to do this for you.

Cheers,

Russell
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I am getting a Lenovo laptop (L440). Could you please reply with any
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Best email client with Jaws

Cliff Self
 

Okay, I'm sick of stumbling around in Outlook. I can't find the number of
messages in my Inbox, I keep losing mail, and the whole ribbon just doesn't
make much sense to me. Is there another, more accessible, and hopefully
free mail client I can switch to?



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Re: Advice on Lenovo Laptop with JAWS

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Hi Richard,

When I bought my Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 last November I had the tech guys at the place I bought it, Future Shop, go into the BIOS and change the function key settings so that they revert to standard function key operation. I can’t quite recall exactly what this setting in the BIOS is called. Someone else already mentioned this, but I thought I’d suggest getting someone in the store where you purchase your laptop to do this for you.

Cheers,

Russell

On Aug 10, 2015, at 7:24 AM, Richard B. McDonald via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Hi!



I am getting a Lenovo laptop (L440). Could you please reply with any hints,
tips, tricks or precautions about using it with JAWS?



Many thanks,

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Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
 

Hello Carolyn,
To turn the virtual ribbon on or off;
1. Press insert F 2,
2. Press S approximately 3 times until you hear Settings Center,
3. Press enter,
4. Type ribbon in the edit field that comes up, and down arrow to select
it,
5. You will probably be prompted to use the default, and instructed to press
control, shift, D; do so,
6. press space bar to choose use virtual ribbon, or not,
7. Tab once for instructions or twice to the okay button to implement your
selection.
Cheers Kevin.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: August-10-15 5:52 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Is there a way to get the traditional ribbon or whatever in 2013 and not
have this upper and lower ribbon?

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via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 10:53 PM
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Cc: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

There's one more good reason to avoid FS's virtual ribbon. Using the MS
ribbon, we're using the same one that everyone in the world does. It means
we can share info with sighted people and take advantage of regular online
solutions when we encounter problems. I google solutions to Office problems
regularly, but the answers might do me little good if I'd resorted to the
virtual ribbon.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:33 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Les Kriegler
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

I think the instructions Bill is referring to is that as you tab, the
keystrokes for accessing the various options from within the ribbon are
given. Personally, I can live without that. I've had a real struggle with
the ribbons ever since I started to use them, and I think it's because
virtual ribbons were checked. I wondered why NVDA seemed to handle the
ribbons more effectively than Jaws, and now I think I understand why that
was the case. In retrospect, use of the virtual ribbons caused me more
trouble than they were worth. Perhaps FS will improve on that feature, but
for now, I won't be using that feature.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 8:38 PM
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Cc: Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

So, Bill, if I lose JAWS instructions, I might not know what I'm doing or
where I am?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 7:13 PM
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Cc: Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi, Carolyn. You can either use the shortcuts, or you can use the arrow keys
plus the tab key to navigate the ribbon. You just lose some of the JAWS
instructions while navigating.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 4:03 PM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


So, if we take the check off the virtual ribbon, how do we navigate
for ribbon information?

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill
White via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 6:53 PM
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Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi, Les. The argument for not unchecking the Virtual Ribbon is this:
JAWS put in the "Virtual Ribbon" for those who wanted to manually
navigate the ribbons using the arrows and the Tab key. It is supposed
to make the menus more accessible, but I haven't found this to be true
in most instances.

Brad was saying that people may say to uncheck the Virtual Ribbon
without telling the person the down side of unchecking the Virtual
Ribbon. This may be true. However, some of the techs at FS tell you to
check the Virtual Ribbon, without telling you that this blocks the
function of some of the shortcuts.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Les Kriegler" <kriegler@nycap.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:14 PM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Okay, what are the consequences of unchecking the use of ribbons? I
followed Bill's instructions to uncheck it, and the shortcut keys are
easier to use, but I would like to know the argument for not doing
this. If it matters, I'm running Outlook 2013 with Jaws 16. Thanks.

Les

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Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Yes, but some people may want to stay with the virtual ribbon, which
is the FS attempt to make ribbon navigation easier for visually
impaired users.
Personally, I stayed with the regular ribbon, which is fine once you
get used to it. All I'm saying is that people considering unchecking
this option need to be aware of the consequences.

-----Original Message-----
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White via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

To check your settings for the Virtual Ribbon Menu in JAWS:

Press JAWS KEY plus F2. Arrow down to Settings Center and press Enter.
Press the letter M until it says Miscellaneous. Press Right Arrow to
Open Miscellaneous.

Arrow down to Virtual Ribbon Menu. It will probably tell you that
this setting is unavailable except in the default configuration of JAWS.

To load the default configuration: Press Shift plus Control plus the
letter D as in dog.

Once your default configuration is loaded, you can Press the Up and
Down Arrow to see if your Virtual Ribbon Menu is checked or not. You
want it to be unchecked if you want all of the keyboard shortcuts to
work
properly.
If
it is checked, press the Space Bar to uncheck it. Then Tab to OK and
press Enter to save these settings.

I hope this helps you.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Where is it that you go to check about the virtual ribbon?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill
White via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 1:33 PM
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Cc: Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi, Les and Barbara. Could this problem with pressing:
ALT plus V, followed by C, followed by V, be related to whether the
Virtual Ribbon is checked or unchecked in your Default Configuration
Menu?

This keyboard shortcut may work only if the Virtual Ribbon option
under Miscellaneous is unchecked.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Les Kriegler" <kriegler@nycap.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Hi,

I'm having the same problem Barbara is having. I press Alt-V
followed by C and V and hear nothing. Tabbing yields a blank area
which Jaws speaks.

Les

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
Hourigan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:01 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kevin Hourigan
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hello Barbra,
I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013,
and pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up
"Current view group box", with a list of options, Cheers Kevin.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
Barbara Hansen via Jfw
Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
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Cc: Barbara Hansen <the2skibears@embarqmail.com>
Subject: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi List friends,



Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the
suggestion to change the view menu, I need to know how to do this.
The suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up
the ribbons menu and enter on the "view" menu, nothing happens. It
just says "blank". I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says
"blank".



Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Barbara

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Re: Advice on Lenovo Laptop with JAWS

Robert Logue
 

You may need to change the way the function keys work. By default they are used as media keys and you have to press and hold fn key to get a standard function key. However, you can change this setting in the bios or what ever it is called on newer computers.

Bob

On 8/10/2015 7:24 AM, Richard B. McDonald via Jfw wrote:
Hi!


I am getting a Lenovo laptop (L440). Could you please reply with any hints,
tips, tricks or precautions about using it with JAWS?


Many thanks,

Richard

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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

HAMILTON
 

Dave:

You have more patience than I. If JAWS does not return within a minute or
so, I do a (you should excuse the expression) blind shutdown of JAWS, go to
the DESKTOP, where I have already placed the focus, and reopened JAWS. Mind
you, if a good pair of eyes is ready/willing/able, not to mention actually
present, I am not shy about asking for help in case something is going on -
un related to JAWS.

However, when no "eyes" are around, it feels like the world has been shut
off; so, I know what you mean by waiting for nothing. I usually try to find
something else to do.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 2:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Jim,

Pretty much hit-or-miss. It would depend on the Operating System + Video
Device Driver + JAWS Version + Program Version + Unknown Gremlins.

Very hard to duplicate symptoms with so many variables. I do know that JAWS
16 tendency to close and reopen without any warning is a bit of a thorn in
my side. There are times when it won't come back at all, and I'm sitting
there with my hands poised, waiting for nothing.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Hamilton via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Jim Hamilton" <jim.hamilton@rogers.com>
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 10:43 AM
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Dave:

Very enlightening! For some reason, I never got around to, nor frankly
considered, uninstalling previous versions of JAWS, and this may have proven
to be "far-sighted" after all. I think that I may adopt your 3 most-recent
version strategy myself. However, once someone moves to Windows 10,
previous JAWS versions will not work - from what I gather.

However, it may be a while before I upgrade to Windows 10. So, for now, are
there some applications that typically misbehave with the latest JAWS
offering? Or, as with many things, it is pretty much a hit or miss
situation?

Thanks.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 1:02 PM
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Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Jim,

As to previous versions -- simply because the current install is running
fine, it does not mean that it will run so with all applications. I
occasionally run JAWS 15 when JAWS 16 is misbehaving in a particular
program. I delete versions older than 3 major revisions back, just to keep
things simpler. And I still have all the executables for last revisions of
all major versions going back to 3.5. Of course that's just my
anal-retentive nature at work, having sufficient hard disk space to justify
that level of insanity.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Jim Hamilton" <jim.hamilton@rogers.com>
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 09:30 AM
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Don't mean to be "smart"; but, why would you want to use previous versions
of JAWS if you have the latest version running successfully. I'm sure that
there is a really good reason for it! :) :)

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of john.falter
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 11:19 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: john.falter <john.falter@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What I lose is the ability to use previous versions of JAWS.


On 8/9/2015 8:21 PM, Gary King via Jfw wrote:
The free feed is to lure the deer into the killing ground. I don't
think the free Windows 10 upgrade offer is quite that sinister
though. Just good old Microsoft's way of trying to keep it's dominant
position.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Spratt via Jfw"
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:06 AM
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Are you saying Win10 smells? Hard to make out the meaning of this,
um, adage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel
McBride via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:05 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

As I pointed out earlier, a deer gets free feed at his local deer stand
feeder.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers
to the
end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time? I'm
waiting
for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) and FS's first
rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within the year.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill
White via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade,
Windows10 won't be free anymore.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Brad Martin" <brad@formyfriends.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and
I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program;
you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that
now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can
see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows
7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should
cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, "If it
ain't broke, don't fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to
know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in
mall?
--
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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

john.falter
 

Hi Jim:
I find that some functions work better on V16 while others work better on V15.
And if you have clients with problems, you may need to test on different versions.

On 8/10/2015 12:30 PM, Jim Hamilton via Jfw wrote:
Don't mean to be "smart"; but, why would you want to use previous versions
of JAWS if you have the latest version running successfully. I'm sure that
there is a really good reason for it! :) :)

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of john.falter
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 11:19 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: john.falter <john.falter@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What I lose is the ability to use previous versions of JAWS.


On 8/9/2015 8:21 PM, Gary King via Jfw wrote:
The free feed is to lure the deer into the killing ground. I don't
think the free Windows 10 upgrade offer is quite that sinister
though. Just good old Microsoft's way of trying to keep it's dominant
position.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Spratt via Jfw"
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:06 AM
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Are you saying Win10 smells? Hard to make out the meaning of this,
um, adage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel
McBride via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:05 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

As I pointed out earlier, a deer gets free feed at his local deer stand
feeder.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers
to the
end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time? I'm
waiting
for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) and FS's first
rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within the year.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill
White via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade,
Windows10 won't be free anymore.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Brad Martin" <brad@formyfriends.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and
I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program;
you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that
now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can
see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows
7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should
cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, "If it
ain't broke, don't fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to
know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in
mall?
--
Brad Martin
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Update on My Focus Issue with Outlook 2013

Les Kriegler <kriegler@...>
 

Yesterday, I reported that when launching Outlook 2013, rather than reaching
the Inbox, focus was lost and I had to Alt-Tab away from that window to
refocus the Inbox. Since Office 2010 was removed, I decided to run a Jaws
repair from the command line which I indicated I would try. A Sentinel
Driver was installed, and I was initially concerned as Windows XP was
referenced which I am not running. When the process was completed and I was
instructed to re-start Windows 8.1, I launched Outlook 2013 and the Inbox
did come up as I had hoped it would. I've launched Outlook twice and focus
goes to the Inbox. So hopefully, the Jaws repair has resolved this issue.
Thanks.

Les


Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Speaking of search Engines, there is a sort of funny acronym based on Yahoo:
"You Always Have Other Options".
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Hamilton via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Jim Hamilton" <jim.hamilton@rogers.com>
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 8:46 AM
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


With all of the concerns about Google's Privacy Policy, and there have been
many, I should think that we all should be thankful for "BING"! A small
price to pay, especially if you like the rest of Windows 10.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 10:20 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi Brad,

I purchased a new laptop last November, a Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 running Windows
8.1. While I did get accustomed to Windows 8.1, I wasn't crazy about it. I
updated to Windows 10, and like the fact that the start menu is back. When I
press the Windows key, I am placed in a search field, similar to Windows 7.
If I down arrow, I am placed in a list of my 6 most used programs, which is
really convenient. I am finding Cortana to work quite well... when she isn't
able to answer my query, she opens up a search page in Bing... wish the
search results could be switched to Google, but at least for now, Bing is
the only choice.

I am looking forward to trying Edge once Jaws support is available for it.

I think whether or not to update to Windows 10 is a very personal choice,
and, I also feel that we shouldn't be advised not to update just because we
use Jaws. Having said that though, I don't think I would have updated if my
laptop wasn't fairly new.

I've been reading the various forums and many people are experiencing
troubles with the Windows 10 update, not only users of assistive technology,
so, as I say, the choice to update is a personal one.

For me, I'm glad I updated, but we'll see how things go once Microsoft
starts pushing out those updates! Ha ha.

Like you say, fun, fun, fun! :)

Russell
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Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program;
you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that
now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can
see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that
should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying,
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like
to know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
--
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Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I was wondering if the ribbon was maximized.

Ted

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 1:33 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi, Les and Barbara. Could this problem with pressing:
ALT plus V, followed by C, followed by V, be related to whether the Virtual Ribbon is checked or unchecked in your Default Configuration Menu?

This keyboard shortcut may work only if the Virtual Ribbon option under Miscellaneous is unchecked.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Kriegler via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Les Kriegler" <kriegler@nycap.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Hi,

I'm having the same problem Barbara is having. I press Alt-V followed
by C and V and hear nothing. Tabbing yields a blank area which Jaws
speaks.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
Hourigan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:01 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kevin Hourigan
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hello Barbra,
I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013, and
pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up "Current
view group box", with a list of options, Cheers Kevin.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Barbara
Hansen via Jfw
Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
To: Jfw lists <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Barbara Hansen <the2skibears@embarqmail.com>
Subject: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi List friends,



Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the suggestion
to change the view menu, I need to know how to do this. The
suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up the
ribbons menu and enter on the "view" menu, nothing happens. It just
says "blank". I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says
"blank".



Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Barbara

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