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Re: Learning JAWS scripting

Mario
 

Paul, since no one has responded, here's my thought:

in addition to your ideas, what the blind user who wants to get into writing JAWS scripts really needs is to learn basic concepts of programming in order to do the nifty stuff, like using functions, arrays, etc.

about 12 years ago when I tried my hand at scripting,there was a document called "Everything you wanted to know about scripting, ...", written by Kenneth A. Gould. I think it's still on FS's website or some where else... it was divided into two parts.

the first part dealt with the basic stuff, like how to get started, syntax, etc. but the second part dealt with stuff that assumed that the user had prior programming knowledge about concepts, techniques, etc. like the knowledge one would attain after programming for a while... a good while.

since you've programmed for about 3 decades,... I think it was you, ... you could fill in the missing explanation that a newbie would need to comprehend before attempting to try their hand at scripting.

creating a wiki sounds like a good idea, this way other experienced programmers could also contribute to the cause, working out explainations of different concepts, and whatever else would be important. but it should be that a newbie needs to register and login in order to read and/or contribute. and I'd also suggest that only the experienced programmers have the right to add/modify these materials that teach the needed concepts and explainations, effectively preventing mis information by any newbie. the experienced programmer who would want to contribute would have to send an email request , to you?, to be approved. if this last part doesn't sit well with you, something has to be done to ensure that the newbie is not mis informed of explainations and whatever else would be important to understand.

your thoughts?

On 8/12/2015 2:53 PM, Paul Martz via Jfw wrote:
Hi all. A few days ago, there was some discussion on learning JAWS
scripting. I've started learning it myself, and wanted to post some
thoughts.

First, I've decided to blog about JSL as I learn it. My blog page is here:
https://skewmatrix.wordpress.com/ . No advertisements or popups, just
straight information about JSL whenever I learn something interesting. The
"JSL #1" post enumerates the available JAWS Scripting Language resources
that I've found. Please post comments if you know of other resources.

Second, I'm toying with the idea of starting an online book project about
JSL, for example at wikibooks.com. The advantage of putting this book online
as a wikibook is that the information would be much more likely to stay
up-to-date and relevant; people could immediately correct any typos or
mistakes; and of course the book would be free to all and readily available
online. I have written technical books in the past, so this wouldn't be too
much of a stretch for me. (I just need to learn it first. Ha ha.)

The question is: In light of the wonderful documentation from Freedom
Scientific that is already available, what kind of content would I / we need
to provide in this new online resource in order to make it worthwhile? What
would you like to know about JSL that you can't already learn from the FS
docs? Would we want something like a brief overview of JAWS scripting? Or
maybe a "quick start guide" to get you up and running with the basics? Or
possibly a "scripting gems" kind of book, with several examples of JAWS
scripts? Or a language reference? Or all of the above? Of course, "we don't
need this, the FS docs are fine" is also an acceptable response.

Any thoughts or comments... Thanks...
-Paul



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Re: JAWS REPEATING

Dale Heltzer
 

Maybe not a bug, but also *not acceptable.



Dale E. Heltzer
deheltzer@msn.com

"A foolish consestency is tha hobgabljyn Qf littwe mjndz." - Ralph Waldo
Emerson via Howard Ashby Kranz

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Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 1:37 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Paul Martz
Subject: RE: JAWS REPEATING

As others have noted, I think the repetitive title reading is within the
realm of acceptable behavior and probably not a bug.

Honestly, I can't recall the last time I visited a web page and actually
wanted it to read the whole page top to bottom. When I land on a page, I
pretty much immediately start tabbing through the links, H through the
headings, or E to jump to an edit box. Any such key press causes JAWS to
immediately stop reading the title. You could also hit CONTROL of course.

I hope that helps.
-Paul


-----Original Message-----
I have had the same irritating experience.
Anyone else?

-----Original Message-----
Running latest jaws.
When I go to a web page, jaws speaks 3 times the beginning.

Why and is there a fix?

Thank you for saving my hearing!
Mark


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Re: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Daniel McBride
 

I second this emotion for Joseph, and all others, with their generous
sharing of information to help a computer dummy like myself. It is truly
appreciated.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 1:22 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hi Joeseph,

I really appreciate some of the more technical info you offer to the list!

Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

Cheers,

Russell

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 11:48 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hi Daniel,
Unfortunately, this isn't available on Windows 7, as Hybrid Boot was
introduced with Windows 8.x.
Regarding having Fast Startup on or off: it depends on your needs. You
should not use Fast Startup if:
* You are using multi-boot setup - other operating systems besides Windows
8.x/10 installed. This is more so on MACBooks and other computers.
* You are doing frequent hardware upgrades. If you do enable Fast Startup,
it'll not recognize new hardware, as Windows will think it is running on the
old hardware.
* Your disk space is precious. Hybrid Boot (Fast Startup) will use some disk
space (just enough for Windows system components to hibernate).
You might try using Fast Startup if:
* You need your computer to boot in seconds. Reports claim Windows 8 boots
in as little as seven seconds with Fast Startup turned on.
* Your computer uses UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface; to find
out, from Windows 8.x and later, from Start, type System Information).
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:50 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Mark:

How does one do this in Windows 7?

Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:57 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Mark
Subject: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hello Everyone,

Joe is quite correct. I did use the incorrect term to describe how to truly
shut down a computer.

I should never compose emails after 11:00pm (smile).

Below you will find the steps as previously posted but with the correct
terminology. I apologize for any confusion I may have caused.

By the way, as to the question of should one disable the Fast-Startup
feature; the only reason this topic got on-list was because someone asked
why Jaws kept announcing itself when she/he shut down the PC.

The following steps will work in both Windows 10 and Windows 8.x in order to
disable the Fast-startup option. Doing this will allow your computer to
truly be shut-down as it was in Windows 7 and earlier.

To disable Fast-startup, do the following:

1.
Access Windows 10 Power Options. This can easily be achieved using several
methods:
a.
Right click in the lower left corner of the screen (or simultaneously press
the Windows + X keys). This will bring up an 'Admin' menu. Simply select
Power Options from that menu.
b.
From within the Desktop; navigate to Control Panel>Power Options.
Or c.
From within the Start Screen; type "power", click on Settings, and select
Power Options from the list of results:

2.
In the 'Power Options' window; click on Choose what the power buttons do
(from the left hand panel):

3.
In the new window; click on Change settings that are currently unavailable:

4.
Uncheck Fast-startup.

That's all there is to it.

Enjoy,

Mark


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configuring windows 10 to truly shud down:

Kenny Peyattt jr.
 

Hi I have a laptop that runs windows 10, and it use the old bios firmware boot method to boot, and when I checked in the power options to see where this fast startup option was, I found the option and noticed that it was checked. I upgraded this machine from windows 7 to windows 10 and noticed that option. Should I turn this option of? And one more question.
I noticed that I see a password required radio button, and I don't have a password created on my machine. Should I turn this off as well?
Kenny Peyatt


Re: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Because Fast Startup stores the image of your computer memory on disk, and not in memory, I don't think this is going to affect battery usage.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Michal Nowicki" <mnowicki4@icloud.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 12:18 PM
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer


I don't think it would affect battery life significantly, but it might
improve it slightly. That said, it is probably not worthwhile disabling
fast startup just to preserve battery power.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Londa Peterson
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 1:56 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Londa Peterson <lpeterson@vrocp.org>
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

I've had this same experience with JAWS in demo mode. A restart will reset
the clock on the demo. By the way, does disabling fast start have any effect
on a laptop's battery? I find that I'll shut my computer down and unplug it
to take it somewhere, and when I get there I find that the battery has
drained-sometimes quite significantly. Would disabling fast start fix this?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 2:51 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Michal Nowicki
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Fast Startup should also be disabled if you are running JAWS (or any FS
products) in 40 minute demo mode because the system must shut down
completely in order for the clock in the demo software to reset. I found
this out the hard way when I purchased my laptop running Windows 8 and had
to temporarily use the JAWS demo before activating the software.

Now that I am using the paid release, though, I personally would never
disable fast startup because, as the name implies, my computer boots up much
faster than it would after a full shut down.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 12:48 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hi Daniel,
Unfortunately, this isn't available on Windows 7, as Hybrid Boot was
introduced with Windows 8.x.
Regarding having Fast Startup on or off: it depends on your needs. You
should not use Fast Startup if:
* You are using multi-boot setup - other operating systems besides Windows
8.x/10 installed. This is more so on MACBooks and other computers.
* You are doing frequent hardware upgrades. If you do enable Fast Startup,
it'll not recognize new hardware, as Windows will think it is running on the
old hardware.
* Your disk space is precious. Hybrid Boot (Fast Startup) will use some disk
space (just enough for Windows system components to hibernate).
You might try using Fast Startup if:
* You need your computer to boot in seconds. Reports claim Windows 8 boots
in as little as seven seconds with Fast Startup turned on.
* Your computer uses UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface; to find
out, from Windows 8.x and later, from Start, type System Information).
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:50 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Mark:

How does one do this in Windows 7?

Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:57 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Mark
Subject: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hello Everyone,

Joe is quite correct. I did use the incorrect term to describe how to truly
shut down a computer.

I should never compose emails after 11:00pm (smile).

Below you will find the steps as previously posted but with the correct
terminology. I apologize for any confusion I may have caused.

By the way, as to the question of should one disable the Fast-Startup
feature; the only reason this topic got on-list was because someone asked
why Jaws kept announcing itself when she/he shut down the PC.

The following steps will work in both Windows 10 and Windows 8.x in order to
disable the Fast-startup option. Doing this will allow your computer to
truly be shut-down as it was in Windows 7 and earlier.

To disable Fast-startup, do the following:

1.
Access Windows 10 Power Options. This can easily be achieved using several
methods:
a.
Right click in the lower left corner of the screen (or simultaneously press
the Windows + X keys). This will bring up an 'Admin' menu. Simply select
Power Options from that menu.
b.
From within the Desktop; navigate to Control Panel>Power Options.
Or c.
From within the Start Screen; type "power", click on Settings, and select
Power Options from the list of results:

2.
In the 'Power Options' window; click on Choose what the power buttons do
(from the left hand panel):

3.
In the new window; click on Change settings that are currently unavailable:

4.
Uncheck Fast-startup.

That's all there is to it.

Enjoy,

Mark


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Re: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@...>
 

I don't think it would affect battery life significantly, but it might
improve it slightly. That said, it is probably not worthwhile disabling
fast startup just to preserve battery power.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Londa Peterson
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 1:56 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Londa Peterson <lpeterson@vrocp.org>
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

I've had this same experience with JAWS in demo mode. A restart will reset
the clock on the demo. By the way, does disabling fast start have any effect
on a laptop's battery? I find that I'll shut my computer down and unplug it
to take it somewhere, and when I get there I find that the battery has
drained-sometimes quite significantly. Would disabling fast start fix this?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 2:51 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Michal Nowicki
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Fast Startup should also be disabled if you are running JAWS (or any FS
products) in 40 minute demo mode because the system must shut down
completely in order for the clock in the demo software to reset. I found
this out the hard way when I purchased my laptop running Windows 8 and had
to temporarily use the JAWS demo before activating the software.

Now that I am using the paid release, though, I personally would never
disable fast startup because, as the name implies, my computer boots up much
faster than it would after a full shut down.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 12:48 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hi Daniel,
Unfortunately, this isn't available on Windows 7, as Hybrid Boot was
introduced with Windows 8.x.
Regarding having Fast Startup on or off: it depends on your needs. You
should not use Fast Startup if:
* You are using multi-boot setup - other operating systems besides Windows
8.x/10 installed. This is more so on MACBooks and other computers.
* You are doing frequent hardware upgrades. If you do enable Fast Startup,
it'll not recognize new hardware, as Windows will think it is running on the
old hardware.
* Your disk space is precious. Hybrid Boot (Fast Startup) will use some disk
space (just enough for Windows system components to hibernate).
You might try using Fast Startup if:
* You need your computer to boot in seconds. Reports claim Windows 8 boots
in as little as seven seconds with Fast Startup turned on.
* Your computer uses UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface; to find
out, from Windows 8.x and later, from Start, type System Information).
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:50 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Mark:

How does one do this in Windows 7?

Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:57 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Mark
Subject: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hello Everyone,

Joe is quite correct. I did use the incorrect term to describe how to truly
shut down a computer.

I should never compose emails after 11:00pm (smile).

Below you will find the steps as previously posted but with the correct
terminology. I apologize for any confusion I may have caused.

By the way, as to the question of should one disable the Fast-Startup
feature; the only reason this topic got on-list was because someone asked
why Jaws kept announcing itself when she/he shut down the PC.

The following steps will work in both Windows 10 and Windows 8.x in order to
disable the Fast-startup option. Doing this will allow your computer to
truly be shut-down as it was in Windows 7 and earlier.

To disable Fast-startup, do the following:

1.
Access Windows 10 Power Options. This can easily be achieved using several
methods:
a.
Right click in the lower left corner of the screen (or simultaneously press
the Windows + X keys). This will bring up an 'Admin' menu. Simply select
Power Options from that menu.
b.
From within the Desktop; navigate to Control Panel>Power Options.
Or c.
From within the Start Screen; type "power", click on Settings, and select
Power Options from the list of results:

2.
In the 'Power Options' window; click on Choose what the power buttons do
(from the left hand panel):

3.
In the new window; click on Change settings that are currently unavailable:

4.
Uncheck Fast-startup.

That's all there is to it.

Enjoy,

Mark


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Re: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Londa Peterson
 

I've had this same experience with JAWS in demo mode. A restart will reset
the clock on the demo. By the way, does disabling fast start have any effect
on a laptop's battery? I find that I'll shut my computer down and unplug it
to take it somewhere, and when I get there I find that the battery has
drained-sometimes quite significantly. Would disabling fast start fix this?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 2:51 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Michal Nowicki
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Fast Startup should also be disabled if you are running JAWS (or any FS
products) in 40 minute demo mode because the system must shut down
completely in order for the clock in the demo software to reset. I found
this out the hard way when I purchased my laptop running Windows 8 and had
to temporarily use the JAWS demo before activating the software.

Now that I am using the paid release, though, I personally would never
disable fast startup because, as the name implies, my computer boots up much
faster than it would after a full shut down.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 12:48 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hi Daniel,
Unfortunately, this isn't available on Windows 7, as Hybrid Boot was
introduced with Windows 8.x.
Regarding having Fast Startup on or off: it depends on your needs. You
should not use Fast Startup if:
* You are using multi-boot setup - other operating systems besides Windows
8.x/10 installed. This is more so on MACBooks and other computers.
* You are doing frequent hardware upgrades. If you do enable Fast Startup,
it'll not recognize new hardware, as Windows will think it is running on the
old hardware.
* Your disk space is precious. Hybrid Boot (Fast Startup) will use some disk
space (just enough for Windows system components to hibernate).
You might try using Fast Startup if:
* You need your computer to boot in seconds. Reports claim Windows 8 boots
in as little as seven seconds with Fast Startup turned on.
* Your computer uses UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface; to find
out, from Windows 8.x and later, from Start, type System Information).
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:50 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Mark:

How does one do this in Windows 7?

Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:57 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Mark
Subject: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hello Everyone,

Joe is quite correct. I did use the incorrect term to describe how to truly
shut down a computer.

I should never compose emails after 11:00pm (smile).

Below you will find the steps as previously posted but with the correct
terminology. I apologize for any confusion I may have caused.

By the way, as to the question of should one disable the Fast-Startup
feature; the only reason this topic got on-list was because someone asked
why Jaws kept announcing itself when she/he shut down the PC.

The following steps will work in both Windows 10 and Windows 8.x in order to
disable the Fast-startup option. Doing this will allow your computer to
truly be shut-down as it was in Windows 7 and earlier.

To disable Fast-startup, do the following:

1.
Access Windows 10 Power Options. This can easily be achieved using several
methods:
a.
Right click in the lower left corner of the screen (or simultaneously press
the Windows + X keys). This will bring up an 'Admin' menu. Simply select
Power Options from that menu.
b.
From within the Desktop; navigate to Control Panel>Power Options.
Or c.
From within the Start Screen; type "power", click on Settings, and select
Power Options from the list of results:

2.
In the 'Power Options' window; click on Choose what the power buttons do
(from the left hand panel):

3.
In the new window; click on Change settings that are currently unavailable:

4.
Uncheck Fast-startup.

That's all there is to it.

Enjoy,

Mark


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Learning JAWS scripting

Paul Martz <skewmatrix@...>
 

Hi all. A few days ago, there was some discussion on learning JAWS
scripting. I've started learning it myself, and wanted to post some
thoughts.

First, I've decided to blog about JSL as I learn it. My blog page is here:
https://skewmatrix.wordpress.com/ . No advertisements or popups, just
straight information about JSL whenever I learn something interesting. The
"JSL #1" post enumerates the available JAWS Scripting Language resources
that I've found. Please post comments if you know of other resources.

Second, I'm toying with the idea of starting an online book project about
JSL, for example at wikibooks.com. The advantage of putting this book online
as a wikibook is that the information would be much more likely to stay
up-to-date and relevant; people could immediately correct any typos or
mistakes; and of course the book would be free to all and readily available
online. I have written technical books in the past, so this wouldn't be too
much of a stretch for me. (I just need to learn it first. Ha ha.)

The question is: In light of the wonderful documentation from Freedom
Scientific that is already available, what kind of content would I / we need
to provide in this new online resource in order to make it worthwhile? What
would you like to know about JSL that you can't already learn from the FS
docs? Would we want something like a brief overview of JAWS scripting? Or
maybe a "quick start guide" to get you up and running with the basics? Or
possibly a "scripting gems" kind of book, with several examples of JAWS
scripts? Or a language reference? Or all of the above? Of course, "we don't
need this, the FS docs are fine" is also an acceptable response.

Any thoughts or comments... Thanks...
-Paul


Re: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@...>
 

Fast Startup should also be disabled if you are running JAWS (or any FS
products) in 40 minute demo mode because the system must shut down
completely in order for the clock in the demo software to reset. I found
this out the hard way when I purchased my laptop running Windows 8 and had
to temporarily use the JAWS demo before activating the software.

Now that I am using the paid release, though, I personally would never
disable fast startup because, as the name implies, my computer boots up much
faster than it would after a full shut down.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 12:48 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hi Daniel,
Unfortunately, this isn't available on Windows 7, as Hybrid Boot was
introduced with Windows 8.x.
Regarding having Fast Startup on or off: it depends on your needs. You
should not use Fast Startup if:
* You are using multi-boot setup - other operating systems besides Windows
8.x/10 installed. This is more so on MACBooks and other computers.
* You are doing frequent hardware upgrades. If you do enable Fast Startup,
it'll not recognize new hardware, as Windows will think it is running on the
old hardware.
* Your disk space is precious. Hybrid Boot (Fast Startup) will use some disk
space (just enough for Windows system components to hibernate).
You might try using Fast Startup if:
* You need your computer to boot in seconds. Reports claim Windows 8 boots
in as little as seven seconds with Fast Startup turned on.
* Your computer uses UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface; to find
out, from Windows 8.x and later, from Start, type System Information).
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:50 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Mark:

How does one do this in Windows 7?

Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:57 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Mark
Subject: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hello Everyone,

Joe is quite correct. I did use the incorrect term to describe how to truly
shut down a computer.

I should never compose emails after 11:00pm (smile).

Below you will find the steps as previously posted but with the correct
terminology. I apologize for any confusion I may have caused.

By the way, as to the question of should one disable the Fast-Startup
feature; the only reason this topic got on-list was because someone asked
why Jaws kept announcing itself when she/he shut down the PC.

The following steps will work in both Windows 10 and Windows 8.x in order to
disable the Fast-startup option. Doing this will allow your computer to
truly be shut-down as it was in Windows 7 and earlier.

To disable Fast-startup, do the following:

1.
Access Windows 10 Power Options. This can easily be achieved using several
methods:
a.
Right click in the lower left corner of the screen (or simultaneously press
the Windows + X keys). This will bring up an 'Admin' menu. Simply select
Power Options from that menu.
b.
From within the Desktop; navigate to Control Panel>Power Options.
Or c.
From within the Start Screen; type "power", click on Settings, and select
Power Options from the list of results:

2.
In the 'Power Options' window; click on Choose what the power buttons do
(from the left hand panel):

3.
In the new window; click on Change settings that are currently unavailable:

4.
Uncheck Fast-startup.

That's all there is to it.

Enjoy,

Mark


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Re: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
 

Ditto

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: August-12-15 11:22 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hi Joeseph,

I really appreciate some of the more technical info you offer to the list!

Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

Cheers,

Russell

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 11:48 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hi Daniel,
Unfortunately, this isn't available on Windows 7, as Hybrid Boot was
introduced with Windows 8.x.
Regarding having Fast Startup on or off: it depends on your needs. You
should not use Fast Startup if:
* You are using multi-boot setup - other operating systems besides Windows
8.x/10 installed. This is more so on MACBooks and other computers.
* You are doing frequent hardware upgrades. If you do enable Fast Startup,
it'll not recognize new hardware, as Windows will think it is running on the
old hardware.
* Your disk space is precious. Hybrid Boot (Fast Startup) will use some disk
space (just enough for Windows system components to hibernate).
You might try using Fast Startup if:
* You need your computer to boot in seconds. Reports claim Windows 8 boots
in as little as seven seconds with Fast Startup turned on.
* Your computer uses UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface; to find
out, from Windows 8.x and later, from Start, type System Information).
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:50 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Mark:

How does one do this in Windows 7?

Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:57 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Mark
Subject: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hello Everyone,

Joe is quite correct. I did use the incorrect term to describe how to truly
shut down a computer.

I should never compose emails after 11:00pm (smile).

Below you will find the steps as previously posted but with the correct
terminology. I apologize for any confusion I may have caused.

By the way, as to the question of should one disable the Fast-Startup
feature; the only reason this topic got on-list was because someone asked
why Jaws kept announcing itself when she/he shut down the PC.

The following steps will work in both Windows 10 and Windows 8.x in order to
disable the Fast-startup option. Doing this will allow your computer to
truly be shut-down as it was in Windows 7 and earlier.

To disable Fast-startup, do the following:

1.
Access Windows 10 Power Options. This can easily be achieved using several
methods:
a.
Right click in the lower left corner of the screen (or simultaneously press
the Windows + X keys). This will bring up an 'Admin' menu. Simply select
Power Options from that menu.
b.
From within the Desktop; navigate to Control Panel>Power Options.
Or c.
From within the Start Screen; type "power", click on Settings, and select
Power Options from the list of results:

2.
In the 'Power Options' window; click on Choose what the power buttons do
(from the left hand panel):

3.
In the new window; click on Change settings that are currently unavailable:

4.
Uncheck Fast-startup.

That's all there is to it.

Enjoy,

Mark


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Re: JAWS REPEATING

Paul Martz <skewmatrix@...>
 

As others have noted, I think the repetitive title reading is within the
realm of acceptable behavior and probably not a bug.

Honestly, I can't recall the last time I visited a web page and actually
wanted it to read the whole page top to bottom. When I land on a page, I
pretty much immediately start tabbing through the links, H through the
headings, or E to jump to an edit box. Any such key press causes JAWS to
immediately stop reading the title. You could also hit CONTROL of course.

I hope that helps.
-Paul

-----Original Message-----
I have had the same irritating experience.
Anyone else?

-----Original Message-----
Running latest jaws.
When I go to a web page, jaws speaks 3 times the beginning.

Why and is there a fix?

Thank you for saving my hearing!
Mark


Re: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Hi Joeseph,

I really appreciate some of the more technical info you offer to the list!

Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

Cheers,

Russell

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 11:48 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hi Daniel,
Unfortunately, this isn't available on Windows 7, as Hybrid Boot was
introduced with Windows 8.x.
Regarding having Fast Startup on or off: it depends on your needs. You
should not use Fast Startup if:
* You are using multi-boot setup - other operating systems besides Windows
8.x/10 installed. This is more so on MACBooks and other computers.
* You are doing frequent hardware upgrades. If you do enable Fast Startup,
it'll not recognize new hardware, as Windows will think it is running on the
old hardware.
* Your disk space is precious. Hybrid Boot (Fast Startup) will use some disk
space (just enough for Windows system components to hibernate).
You might try using Fast Startup if:
* You need your computer to boot in seconds. Reports claim Windows 8 boots
in as little as seven seconds with Fast Startup turned on.
* Your computer uses UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface; to find
out, from Windows 8.x and later, from Start, type System Information).
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:50 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Mark:

How does one do this in Windows 7?

Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:57 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Mark
Subject: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hello Everyone,

Joe is quite correct. I did use the incorrect term to describe how to truly
shut down a computer.

I should never compose emails after 11:00pm (smile).

Below you will find the steps as previously posted but with the correct
terminology. I apologize for any confusion I may have caused.

By the way, as to the question of should one disable the Fast-Startup
feature; the only reason this topic got on-list was because someone asked
why Jaws kept announcing itself when she/he shut down the PC.

The following steps will work in both Windows 10 and Windows 8.x in order to
disable the Fast-startup option. Doing this will allow your computer to
truly be shut-down as it was in Windows 7 and earlier.

To disable Fast-startup, do the following:

1.
Access Windows 10 Power Options. This can easily be achieved using several
methods:
a.
Right click in the lower left corner of the screen (or simultaneously press
the Windows + X keys). This will bring up an 'Admin' menu. Simply select
Power Options from that menu.
b.
From within the Desktop; navigate to Control Panel>Power Options.
Or c.
From within the Start Screen; type "power", click on Settings, and select
Power Options from the list of results:

2.
In the 'Power Options' window; click on Choose what the power buttons do
(from the left hand panel):

3.
In the new window; click on Change settings that are currently unavailable:

4.
Uncheck Fast-startup.

That's all there is to it.

Enjoy,

Mark


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Re: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

 

Hi Daniel,
Unfortunately, this isn't available on Windows 7, as Hybrid Boot was
introduced with Windows 8.x.
Regarding having Fast Startup on or off: it depends on your needs. You
should not use Fast Startup if:
* You are using multi-boot setup - other operating systems besides Windows
8.x/10 installed. This is more so on MACBooks and other computers.
* You are doing frequent hardware upgrades. If you do enable Fast Startup,
it'll not recognize new hardware, as Windows will think it is running on the
old hardware.
* Your disk space is precious. Hybrid Boot (Fast Startup) will use some disk
space (just enough for Windows system components to hibernate).
You might try using Fast Startup if:
* You need your computer to boot in seconds. Reports claim Windows 8 boots
in as little as seven seconds with Fast Startup turned on.
* Your computer uses UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface; to find
out, from Windows 8.x and later, from Start, type System Information).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:50 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Mark:

How does one do this in Windows 7?

Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:57 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Mark
Subject: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hello Everyone,

Joe is quite correct. I did use the incorrect term to describe how to truly
shut down a computer.

I should never compose emails after 11:00pm (smile).

Below you will find the steps as previously posted but with the correct
terminology. I apologize for any confusion I may have caused.

By the way, as to the question of should one disable the Fast-Startup
feature; the only reason this topic got on-list was because someone asked
why Jaws kept announcing itself when she/he shut down the PC.

The following steps will work in both Windows 10 and Windows 8.x in order to
disable the Fast-startup option. Doing this will allow your computer to
truly be shut-down as it was in Windows 7 and earlier.

To disable Fast-startup, do the following:

1.
Access Windows 10 Power Options. This can easily be achieved using several
methods:
a.
Right click in the lower left corner of the screen (or simultaneously press
the Windows + X keys). This will bring up an 'Admin' menu. Simply select
Power Options from that menu.
b.
From within the Desktop; navigate to Control Panel>Power Options.
Or c.
From within the Start Screen; type "power", click on Settings, and select
Power Options from the list of results:

2.
In the 'Power Options' window; click on Choose what the power buttons do
(from the left hand panel):

3.
In the new window; click on Change settings that are currently unavailable:

4.
Uncheck Fast-startup.

That's all there is to it.

Enjoy,

Mark


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Re: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Daniel McBride
 

Mark:

How does one do this in Windows 7?

Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:57 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Mark
Subject: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hello Everyone,

Joe is quite correct. I did use the incorrect term to describe how to truly
shut down a computer.

I should never compose emails after 11:00pm (smile).

Below you will find the steps as previously posted but with the correct
terminology. I apologize for any confusion I may have caused.

By the way, as to the question of should one disable the Fast-Startup
feature; the only reason this topic got on-list was because someone asked
why Jaws kept announcing itself when she/he shut down the PC.

The following steps will work in both Windows 10 and Windows 8.x in order to
disable the Fast-startup option. Doing this will allow your computer to
truly be shut-down as it was in Windows 7 and earlier.

To disable Fast-startup, do the following:

1.
Access Windows 10 Power Options. This can easily be achieved using several
methods:
a.
Right click in the lower left corner of the screen (or simultaneously press
the Windows + X keys). This will bring up an 'Admin' menu. Simply select
Power Options from that menu.
b.
From within the Desktop; navigate to Control Panel>Power Options.
Or c.
From within the Start Screen; type "power", click on Settings, and select
Power Options from the list of results:

2.
In the 'Power Options' window; click on Choose what the power buttons do
(from the left hand panel):

3.
In the new window; click on Change settings that are currently unavailable:

4.
Uncheck Fast-startup.

That's all there is to it.

Enjoy,

Mark


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Re: JAWS REPEATING

Adrian Spratt
 

I'm finding webpages load much faster now that I've given up on the automatic setting in forms mode and reverted to "Manual." It seems JAWS added several seconds to the loading process, and a lot more verbiage, as it figured out where to land on a forms field. Curiously, even with the "manual" setting, in many cases JAWS still takes me right to the field I want, and all I need do is press enter.

For anyone interested, these forms mode settings are in the JAWS key+v quick settings dialog.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:41 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bissett, Tom
Subject: RE: JAWS REPEATING

I don't know if this is in all cases but I have observed that web pages often load from different sources. Each time a load from one of the sources completes the title is announced causing jaws to repeat the title several times depending on how many sources the page is being loaded from. As an example you go to a page with some standard text but has an advertisement loading from a different source, this will cause jaws to announce the title when the page is loaded and again when the ad is loaded.
Regards
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of DALE HELTZER via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:35 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: DALE HELTZER
Subject: RE: JAWS REPEATING

I have had the same irritating experience.
Anyone else?



Dale E. Heltzer
deheltzer@msn.com

"A foolish consestency is tha hobgabljyn Qf littwe mjndz." - Ralph Waldo Emerson via Howard Ashby Kranz

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark Furness via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 12:59 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mark Furness
Subject: JAWS REPEATING

Running latest jaws.
When I go to a web page, jaws speaks 3 times the beginning.

Why and is there a fix?

Thank you for saving my hearing!
Mark

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Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Mark <facebookmark@...>
 

Hello Everyone,

Joe is quite correct. I did use the incorrect term to describe how to truly
shut down a computer.

I should never compose emails after 11:00pm (smile).

Below you will find the steps as previously posted but with the correct
terminology. I apologize for any confusion I may have caused.

By the way, as to the question of should one disable the Fast-Startup
feature; the only reason this topic got on-list was because someone asked
why Jaws kept announcing itself when she/he shut down the PC.

The following steps will work in both Windows 10 and Windows 8.x in order to
disable the Fast-startup option. Doing this will allow your computer to
truly be shut-down as it was in Windows 7 and earlier.

To disable Fast-startup, do the following:

1.
Access Windows 10 Power Options. This can easily be achieved using several
methods:
a.
Right click in the lower left corner of the screen (or simultaneously press
the Windows + X keys). This will bring up an 'Admin' menu. Simply select
Power Options from that menu.
b.
From within the Desktop; navigate to Control Panel>Power Options.
Or c.
From within the Start Screen; type "power", click on Settings, and select
Power Options from the list of results:

2.
In the 'Power Options' window; click on Choose what the power buttons do
(from the left hand panel):

3.
In the new window; click on Change settings that are currently unavailable:

4.
Uncheck Fast-startup.

That's all there is to it.

Enjoy,

Mark


Re: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

I was wondering the exact same thing.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:02 AM
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Cc: Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

More to the point, given that fast shutdown still results in a system that is drawing no power (unlike a sleeping system which is still maintaining ram coherence) what exactly do you see as the downside to using it?

On 8/12/15, Mark Furness via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
I followed your steps and I could not find “fast user switching.

Mark
On Aug 12, 2015, at 3:23 AM, Mark via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Hello Everyone,

The following steps will work in both Windows 10 and Windows 8.x in
order to disable the Fast-User switching option. Doing this will
allow your computer to truly be shut-down as it was in Windows 7 and
earlier.

To disable Fast-User Switching, do the following:

1.
Access Windows 10 Power Options. This can easily be achieved using
several
methods:
a.
Right click in the lower left corner of the screen (or simultaneously
press the Windows + X keys). This will bring up an 'Admin' menu.
Simply select Power Options from that menu.
b.
From within the Desktop; navigate to Control Panel>Power Options.
Or c.
From within the Start Screen; type "power", click on Settings, and
select Power Options from the list of results:

2.
In the 'Power Options' window; click on Choose what the power buttons
do (from the left hand panel):

3.
In the new window; click on Change settings that are currently
unavailable:

4.
Uncheck Fast user switching.

That's all there is to it.

Enjoy,

Mark


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Re: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Daniel McBride
 

Joe:

Do you recommend having fast start up on or off?

Dan

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
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Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:07 AM
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Cc: Joseph Lee
Subject: RE: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown
Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hi Debbie and list:
That's because Mark might have been confused in terminology: it's actually
called Fast Startup. Let me explain what it truly does (a bit technical
here, but will try to boil this down a bit):
When Windows boots, it needs to read in needed data one at a time in
multiple phases. First, whether you are booting into Safe Mode is
determined, then Windows kernel (the heart of the operating system), called
NTOSKrnl.exe (Windows NT Operating System Kernel) determines type of CPU,
amount of RAM, devices present and so on. Once the kernel is ready, it'll
ask the video card to display the Windows logo on screen, then other parts
of Windows responsible for loading user profiles will display a login prompt
(if configured to do so), and if the user successfully logs in, Windows will
start programs that will start automatically (including JAWS) and apply user
settings (this is collectively called a "session", and there is a subsystem
in Windows (called Session Manager Subsystem or SMSS.exe) that manages this;
when you use Windows, at least two sessions become active: session 0
(services) and session N (where N is the currently logged in user).
During shutdown, Windows will first close programs you were using, and if an
app does not respond, it'll pop up a dialog saying one or more apps are not
responding and ask if you wish to shutdown anyway (you may get this prompt
from time to time). Once the user logs off, Windows will terminate services
(including JAWS if told to run as a service), save user settings (including
registry changes) and turn your computer off completely. This is a full
startup/shutdown cycle.
As opposed to the above cycle, Microsoft has found a way to just turn off
user session (Windows 8.0 and later). When the computer shuts down, if Fast
Startup (technically called Hybrid Boot) is in use, Windows will log off the
user (save profiles, close programs, etc.), then the system services will
enter hibernation (where current physical memory content is stored on a
disk). Next time the computer boots, Windows system services will resume
from where they have left off, then users will be prompted to log in. This
is useful on newer computers which uses a newer firmware type called Unified
Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI), as the boot process is simpler than
older BIOS (Basic Input/Output System) firmware (I'll not go into details on
how these firmware boots, as this is too off topic here; ask me offlist) or
those using SSD's (Solid State Drives).
The reason why you hear "JAWS for Windows" when you turn off your computer
is because you have Fast Startup (or Hybrid Boot) turned on. To change this
behavior, follow Mark's instructions, but look for Fast Startup instead.
Hybrid Boot should not be confused with Fast User Switching (Windows XP and
later): Fast User Switching lets someone else log into your computer via a
different user account (provided there are multiple user accounts) without
stopping programs you were using (you'll be logged off first). On PC's
(client Windows versions), only one user can use the computer at a time, but
on server systems, multiple users can log in simultaneously (this includes
Remote Desktop accounts).
References:
Full startup/shutdown sequence:
* Ionescu, Alex, Solomon, David A., Russinovich, Mark E. Windows Internals,
Sixth Edition Part 2 (Windows 7), Microsoft Press, 2012.
Hybrid Boot:
* Sinofsky, Steven. Delivering fast boot times in Windows 8, MSDN Building
Windows 8 blog, September 8, 2011. URL:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/09/08/delivering-fast-boot-times-in-
windows-8.aspx
* Woods, Ben. Windows 8 'hybrid' mode brings faster boot, ZDNet, September
9, 2011. URL:
http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-8-hybrid-mode-brings-faster-boot/
* Shultz, Greg. How Windows 8 Hybrid Shutdown / Fast Boot feature works,
TechRepublic, October 24, 2013. URL:
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/windows-and-office/how-windows-8-hybrid-shu
tdown-fast-boot-feature-works/
UEFI boot process:
* UEFI boot: how does that actually work, then (Adam W), January 25, 2014.
URL:
https://www.happyassassin.net/2014/01/25/uefi-boot-how-does-that-actually-wo
rk-then/
Windows sessions:
* Hameed, C. Sessions, Desktops and Windows Stations, Ask the Performance
Team, TechNet, July 24, 2007. URL:
http://blogs.technet.com/b/askperf/archive/2007/07/24/sessions-desktops-and-
windows-stations.aspx
Although these references refer to old Windows releases (Windows Vista, 7
and 8.x), it applies to Windows 10, and some of these are quite technical.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Joseph



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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Debbie April
Yuille via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 1:13 AM
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Cc: Debbie April Yuille
Subject: RE: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown
Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hi Mark

I've followed your steps, but I don't see an option to disable fast user
switching. I do however see an option to turn off fast start up though.

Thanks
Debbie

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, 12 August 2015 5:23 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Mark <facebookmark@candleshoreblog.com>
Subject: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown Menu
To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hello Everyone,

The following steps will work in both Windows 10 and Windows 8.x in order to
disable the Fast-User switching option. Doing this will allow your computer
to truly be shut-down as it was in Windows 7 and earlier.

To disable Fast-User Switching, do the following:

1.
Access Windows 10 Power Options. This can easily be achieved using several
methods:
a.
Right click in the lower left corner of the screen (or simultaneously press
the Windows + X keys). This will bring up an 'Admin' menu. Simply select
Power Options from that menu.
b.
From within the Desktop; navigate to Control Panel>Power Options.
Or c.
From within the Start Screen; type "power", click on Settings, and select
Power Options from the list of results:

2.
In the 'Power Options' window; click on Choose what the power buttons do
(from the left hand panel):

3.
In the new window; click on Change settings that are currently unavailable:

4.
Uncheck Fast user switching.

That's all there is to it.

Enjoy,

Mark


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Re: shutting down.....

Daniel McBride
 

Mark:

I believe it is normal. That has been occurring since I started using JAWS
when I shut down. I started in 2002 with JAWS 4 and am currently on JAWS 14.

Dan

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:27 PM
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Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: Re: shutting down.....

It does that with Windows 8.1 as well.


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On Aug 11, 2015, at 4:27 PM, Carolyn Arnold via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Mine does that too and no musical sound coming or going.

Best from,

Carolyn


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Furness via Jfw
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Subject: shutting down.....

When I shut down my windows10 computer The last thing it says is Jaws
for windows: is this normal?

Mark

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Re: JAWS REPEATING

Bissett, Tom <tom.bissett@...>
 

I don't know if this is in all cases but I have observed that web pages often load from different sources. Each time a load from one of the sources completes the title is announced causing jaws to repeat the title several times depending on how many sources the page is being loaded from. As an example you go to a page with some standard text but has an advertisement loading from a different source, this will cause jaws to announce the title when the page is loaded and again when the ad is loaded.
Regards
Tom Bisset

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of DALE HELTZER via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:35 AM
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Subject: RE: JAWS REPEATING

I have had the same irritating experience.
Anyone else?



Dale E. Heltzer
deheltzer@msn.com

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark Furness via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 12:59 PM
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Subject: JAWS REPEATING

Running latest jaws.
When I go to a web page, jaws speaks 3 times the beginning.

Why and is there a fix?

Thank you for saving my hearing!
Mark

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