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moderated Re: what is mp3gain

 

On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 04:37 PM, Mario wrote:
you don't have to keep reaching for the volume dial on your mp3 player every time it switches to a new song.
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Which, if you have to do it, is an annoyance to begin with, but if you are driving a car (or are a passenger) where a collection of MP3 music is on shuffle play for hours and hours it saves you from utter madness as well as the occasional shock if one album had a recording level significantly higher than another and those two songs play back to back.

MP3Gain Home Page
 
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moderated Google Sheets - how to adjust column width?

Tanguy LOHEAC
 

Hi there

Does anyone know how to automatically adjust column width in Google Sheets? The only steps i found on the web refer to actions with the mouse pointer, and I can't find any options in the menus.

Thanks in advance for your help


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moderated Re: Using Pandora with JAWS

Charles Krugman
 

That's the right one.
Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 1:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Pandora with JAWS

I couldn't find a script for jaws oncontinuum.net. They do have an app called Hope that is a stand alone player. I did buy it and it works fine so far.

On 2/1/2021 7:24 AM, Charles Krugman wrote:
There is a script that has been around for a while. I use it and am
very satisfied with it. There is a nominal fee for purchase but you
can try it first. Check out q-continuum.net.
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Crome
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 2:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Using Pandora with JAWS

Hello everyone,

I am helping a person to learn to use JAWS. She would like to use
Pandora to listen to music. She is running JAWS 2021 with Windows 10.
We downloaded the Pandora App and it appears somewhat usable but has
limited ease of access to the controls. I am wondering if there is a
list of usable hotkeys for this app, or if there may be a script that
I can acquire that will help her make this more usable?

Thanks much for any assistance that you can provide.
Roger












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moderated Re: Vocalizer and difference in pronunciation

JM Casey
 

I do understand. I have a hearing loss myself and when I’m watching movies or listening to audiodramas, especially old ones, I tend to use equaliser settings to bring out more of the high frequencies in dialogue. As for the Eloquence synth, it’s top “resolution’ if you want to call it that is 11khz roughly, and the rule of thumb is that you get half that in terms of top-most frequency audible, so around 5.5khz, which is still *(supposed* to be above the frequency of most connsonants, but in practical terms, your ear can probably still discern that something is missing.

I still think Eloquence is the best synth for everyday computer use because it’s more concerned with smoothness and practical use than actual pleasurable reading. I don’t set it to speak very fast, myself, but still much faster than Vocalizer, whihch, as it’s taken from actual human voice samples, sounds like absolute garbage speaking any faster than a person can speak. However I do switch to vocaliser when I want to listen to a book “on the go” or something with my bluetooth headset. Otherwise though I just stick to refreshable braille most of the time.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: February 2, 2021 04:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vocalizer and difference in pronunciation

 

Glad to understand the frequency aspect of why I might have issues hearing Eloquence clearly.  Ever so often I’ll test out voices again, but most have either too much inflection or must have some of this frequency difference.  Even in Vocalizer, I find the U.S. voices other than Nathan and Samantha seem more muffled to me.  Vocalizer.  

 

Robin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 11:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vocalizer and difference in pronunciation

 

Robin:

 

I don't like eloquence either.  The version that used to ship with k1000 was better, but the one with jaws sounds like audio above a certain frequency is completely missing.  I use Tom Premium High on Jaws and my phone both, it seems about the best, and since I can have it on both, things are usually mis-pronounced everywhere, which bothers me less.

 

I used to have a Dec express, I wish I could get that voice back, maybe without the problem of not being able to shut it up quickly, that might be the best of all worlds.

 

 

On 2/2/2021 10:07, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io wrote:

Chris,

It’s been a while, but, even on my iPhone, I think there is more inflection in the full or enhanced versions.  I was a Window Eyes user with Dec Talk for many years, so I don’t mind the robotic sounds of Eloquence, but there is something to the about the voices that I find hard or fuzzy to my hearing, not the diction, but the audio quality.  I like the sound clarity in Vocalizer Nathan the most, despite some of its pronunciation quirks. I like that the Compact voices are less emotive and more steady.  I’m also not one who listens to speech super-fast, so that isn’t a concern to me. I’m faster than the default for sure, but not the rocket speed I hear others use. I’m not diagnosed as hearing impaired, but have some sort of issues with my hearing of certain frequencies or tones.  I also like Microsoft Mobile Mike for clarity.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 5:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vocalizer and difference in pronunciation

 

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Hello.

 

Yes, synthesizers try to guess context, if they just pronounced words, they wouldn't work near as well.  It becomes obvious when they guess wrong.  May I ask why you are using the compact version of the voice?  These are always inferior to the real versions, and most hardware won't have trouble with the full one.

 

 

On 2/1/2021 17:22, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io wrote:

Hi,

I’m using Vocalizer Nathan Compact with JAWS 2021.  This is not the first case, but is striking today, so it prompted me to pose the question.  I was reading through an Excel file for work of incoming new hires.  I thought there was a typo, because the name of one of the colleges was mispronounced if I read the cell.  If I read word by word, it says the word fine.  I pasted the name into Word and the same thing occurs. Reading in any manner except word by word, causes Vocalizer to mispronounce it.  I’ve switched to Eloquence, Microsoft Mobile, and VoiceWare, all of which do not have this issue.  As I noted, this is not the first case.  Do other people notice similar issues with Vocalizer?  Is there a technical reason why a word would be pronounced differently in word by word versus line by line or say all? 

 

Here is the college.  The last word is the issue.  I have fixed it in my dictionary manager for now by adding a third s to the word.

College of the Holy Cross

 

I really love the sound  of Nathan’s compact voice, but am quite surprised by some of the strange pronunciations it has for common words.  Even the opposite of “Female” is totally off and is the first thing I adjust in a new dictionary file.

 

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2021, Office 365.

Robin Van Lant

 




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moderated Re: what is mp3gain

Mario
 

MP3Gain analyzes mp3 files to determine how loud they sound to the human ear. It can then adjust the mp3 files so that they all have the same loudness without any quality loss. This way, you don't have to keep reaching for the volume dial on your mp3 player every time it switches to a new song.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Jeff Lukacsena [mailto:jlukacsena@comcast.net]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2021, 4:10 PM
Subject: what is mp3gain
Hi List,

I have seenseveral messages about a programcalled mp3 gain. Can someone
tell me what this program is and what it can do, and how do you get it?

Thanks,

Jeff Lukacsena


moderated Re: Vocalizer and difference in pronunciation

Van Lant, Robin
 

Glad to understand the frequency aspect of why I might have issues hearing Eloquence clearly.  Ever so often I’ll test out voices again, but most have either too much inflection or must have some of this frequency difference.  Even in Vocalizer, I find the U.S. voices other than Nathan and Samantha seem more muffled to me.  Vocalizer.  

 

Robin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 11:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vocalizer and difference in pronunciation

 

Robin:

 

I don't like eloquence either.  The version that used to ship with k1000 was better, but the one with jaws sounds like audio above a certain frequency is completely missing.  I use Tom Premium High on Jaws and my phone both, it seems about the best, and since I can have it on both, things are usually mis-pronounced everywhere, which bothers me less.

 

I used to have a Dec express, I wish I could get that voice back, maybe without the problem of not being able to shut it up quickly, that might be the best of all worlds.

 

 

On 2/2/2021 10:07, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io wrote:

Chris,

It’s been a while, but, even on my iPhone, I think there is more inflection in the full or enhanced versions.  I was a Window Eyes user with Dec Talk for many years, so I don’t mind the robotic sounds of Eloquence, but there is something to the about the voices that I find hard or fuzzy to my hearing, not the diction, but the audio quality.  I like the sound clarity in Vocalizer Nathan the most, despite some of its pronunciation quirks. I like that the Compact voices are less emotive and more steady.  I’m also not one who listens to speech super-fast, so that isn’t a concern to me. I’m faster than the default for sure, but not the rocket speed I hear others use. I’m not diagnosed as hearing impaired, but have some sort of issues with my hearing of certain frequencies or tones.  I also like Microsoft Mobile Mike for clarity.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 5:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vocalizer and difference in pronunciation

 

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Hello.

 

Yes, synthesizers try to guess context, if they just pronounced words, they wouldn't work near as well.  It becomes obvious when they guess wrong.  May I ask why you are using the compact version of the voice?  These are always inferior to the real versions, and most hardware won't have trouble with the full one.

 

 

On 2/1/2021 17:22, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io wrote:

Hi,

I’m using Vocalizer Nathan Compact with JAWS 2021.  This is not the first case, but is striking today, so it prompted me to pose the question.  I was reading through an Excel file for work of incoming new hires.  I thought there was a typo, because the name of one of the colleges was mispronounced if I read the cell.  If I read word by word, it says the word fine.  I pasted the name into Word and the same thing occurs. Reading in any manner except word by word, causes Vocalizer to mispronounce it.  I’ve switched to Eloquence, Microsoft Mobile, and VoiceWare, all of which do not have this issue.  As I noted, this is not the first case.  Do other people notice similar issues with Vocalizer?  Is there a technical reason why a word would be pronounced differently in word by word versus line by line or say all? 

 

Here is the college.  The last word is the issue.  I have fixed it in my dictionary manager for now by adding a third s to the word.

College of the Holy Cross

 

I really love the sound  of Nathan’s compact voice, but am quite surprised by some of the strange pronunciations it has for common words.  Even the opposite of “Female” is totally off and is the first thing I adjust in a new dictionary file.

 

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2021, Office 365.

Robin Van Lant

 




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moderated Re: Using Pandora with JAWS

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

I couldn't find a script for jaws oncontinuum.net. They do have an app called Hope that is a stand alone player. I did buy it and it works fine so far.

On 2/1/2021 7:24 AM, Charles Krugman wrote:
There is a script that has been around for a while. I use it and am very
satisfied with it. There is a nominal fee for purchase but you can try it
first. Check out q-continuum.net.
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Crome
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 2:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Using Pandora with JAWS

Hello everyone,

I am helping a person to learn to use JAWS. She would like to use Pandora
to listen to music. She is running JAWS 2021 with Windows 10. We
downloaded the Pandora App and it appears somewhat usable but has limited
ease of access to the controls. I am wondering if there is a list of usable
hotkeys for this app, or if there may be a script that I can acquire that
will help her make this more usable?

Thanks much for any assistance that you can provide.
Roger







moderated what is mp3gain

Jeff Lukacsena
 

Hi List,

I have seenseveral messages about a programcalled mp3 gain. Can someone tell me what this program is and what it can do, and how do you get it?

Thanks,

Jeff Lukacsena

 


moderated Re: Optimal email setup for Windows 10 with JAWS

Edward Green
 

Hi Jim,

Once you’re in Outlook and have pressed JAWS key+f1 twice quickly, the Outlook help topic will be highlighted in  the JAWS help system.

You then need to press enter, then f6.

You will land in the contents of the Outlook help topic and can select the "Helpful hints" from there.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 February 2021 20:18:31 "Jim Rawls" <jazzpiano@...> wrote:

Edward, I tried what you said to do, and it didn’t work. I found outlook on the list, and when I hit enter, nothing happened. So I tried My application key and still nothing. How do I find outlook helpful hints? Jim

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 7:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Optimal email setup for Windows 10 with JAWS

 

Hi Jim,

As far as Outlook is concerned: Open Outlook, press JAWS key+f1 twice quickly to bring up the Outlook help topic and select "Outlook helpful hints."

This will run through what you need to set/change.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 February 2021 13:50:42 "James Benstead" <james.benstead@...> wrote:

I always try to use JAWS with the full version of Outlook, and to configure it in a certain way (e.g. no preview pane). Is there an accepted optimal way to configure Outlook to work with JAWS? Or does anyone have any specific tips that make Outlook work well with JAWS?

 

Also, would anyone advise using the built-in Windows Mail client with JAWS? I have problems using tab and F6 to navigate through everything, but I'm wondering if I'm missing something.

 

Jim

 

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moderated Re: Optimal email setup for Windows 10 with JAWS

Richard Turner
 

Try hitting f6 after you hit enter on outlook.

That should get you into the pane with the links to the various help topics.

 

 

 

Richard

 

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My web site, www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 12:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Optimal email setup for Windows 10 with JAWS

 

Edward, I tried what you said to do, and it didn’t work. I found outlook on the list, and when I hit enter, nothing happened. So I tried My application key and still nothing. How do I find outlook helpful hints? Jim

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 7:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Optimal email setup for Windows 10 with JAWS

 

Hi Jim,

As far as Outlook is concerned: Open Outlook, press JAWS key+f1 twice quickly to bring up the Outlook help topic and select "Outlook helpful hints."

This will run through what you need to set/change.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 February 2021 13:50:42 "James Benstead" <james.benstead@...> wrote:

I always try to use JAWS with the full version of Outlook, and to configure it in a certain way (e.g. no preview pane). Is there an accepted optimal way to configure Outlook to work with JAWS? Or does anyone have any specific tips that make Outlook work well with JAWS?

 

Also, would anyone advise using the built-in Windows Mail client with JAWS? I have problems using tab and F6 to navigate through everything, but I'm wondering if I'm missing something.

 

Jim

 

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moderated Re: Optimal email setup for Windows 10 with JAWS

Jim Rawls
 

Edward, I tried what you said to do, and it didn’t work. I found outlook on the list, and when I hit enter, nothing happened. So I tried My application key and still nothing. How do I find outlook helpful hints? Jim

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 7:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Optimal email setup for Windows 10 with JAWS

 

Hi Jim,

As far as Outlook is concerned: Open Outlook, press JAWS key+f1 twice quickly to bring up the Outlook help topic and select "Outlook helpful hints."

This will run through what you need to set/change.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 February 2021 13:50:42 "James Benstead" <james.benstead@...> wrote:

I always try to use JAWS with the full version of Outlook, and to configure it in a certain way (e.g. no preview pane). Is there an accepted optimal way to configure Outlook to work with JAWS? Or does anyone have any specific tips that make Outlook work well with JAWS?

 

Also, would anyone advise using the built-in Windows Mail client with JAWS? I have problems using tab and F6 to navigate through everything, but I'm wondering if I'm missing something.

 

Jim

 

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moderated Re: Vocalizer and difference in pronunciation

JM Casey
 

Oh yeah, this was a much older version, and it ran on my Windows 98 machine. It was the exact same synth as could be found in the old reading machiens that Kurzweil made, which I’m sure was Dectalk. Too bad they gave it up as that was a rather nice synth, especially for something that came about in the 1980s and basically never changed, audio-wise.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: February 2, 2021 01:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vocalizer and difference in pronunciation

 

No Kurzweil nowadays comes with ETI Eloquence and Voice Ware Kate Paul and latterly James in later versions (AKA Neospeech).

I started out with version 11 I think but am on version 14 now. It is possible Dec Talk was available in earlier incarnations.

I have never had access to Dec Talk with Kurzweil but would have been interested in giving it a try if it was available.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: 02 February 2021 18:45
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vocalizer and difference in pronunciation

 

I thought K1000 shipped with software DecTalk? At least, that’s what it sounds like. I had it in the early 2000s and it was sure not Eloquence then.

 

I like Eloquence for every day use. The reason you can’t hear those high frequencies is – well, they’re not there. It’s an 11khz synth. It’s been around forever and comes from a time when that was pretty n ormal, and there hasn’t really been any need to change it. I have the IBM TTS for nVDA that sounds a lot like Eloquence, but withs ome small pronunciation differences and a little bit more frequency response.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: February 2, 2021 01:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vocalizer and difference in pronunciation

 

Robin:

 

I don't like eloquence either.  The version that used to ship with k1000 was better, but the one with jaws sounds like audio above a certain frequency is completely missing.  I use Tom Premium High on Jaws and my phone both, it seems about the best, and since I can have it on both, things are usually mis-pronounced everywhere, which bothers me less.

 

I used to have a Dec express, I wish I could get that voice back, maybe without the problem of not being able to shut it up quickly, that might be the best of all worlds.

 

 

On 2/2/2021 10:07, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io wrote:

Chris,

It’s been a while, but, even on my iPhone, I think there is more inflection in the full or enhanced versions.  I was a Window Eyes user with Dec Talk for many years, so I don’t mind the robotic sounds of Eloquence, but there is something to the about the voices that I find hard or fuzzy to my hearing, not the diction, but the audio quality.  I like the sound clarity in Vocalizer Nathan the most, despite some of its pronunciation quirks. I like that the Compact voices are less emotive and more steady.  I’m also not one who listens to speech super-fast, so that isn’t a concern to me. I’m faster than the default for sure, but not the rocket speed I hear others use. I’m not diagnosed as hearing impaired, but have some sort of issues with my hearing of certain frequencies or tones.  I also like Microsoft Mobile Mike for clarity.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 5:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vocalizer and difference in pronunciation

 

WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments.

 

Hello.

 

Yes, synthesizers try to guess context, if they just pronounced words, they wouldn't work near as well.  It becomes obvious when they guess wrong.  May I ask why you are using the compact version of the voice?  These are always inferior to the real versions, and most hardware won't have trouble with the full one.

 

 

On 2/1/2021 17:22, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io wrote:

Hi,

I’m using Vocalizer Nathan Compact with JAWS 2021.  This is not the first case, but is striking today, so it prompted me to pose the question.  I was reading through an Excel file for work of incoming new hires.  I thought there was a typo, because the name of one of the colleges was mispronounced if I read the cell.  If I read word by word, it says the word fine.  I pasted the name into Word and the same thing occurs. Reading in any manner except word by word, causes Vocalizer to mispronounce it.  I’ve switched to Eloquence, Microsoft Mobile, and VoiceWare, all of which do not have this issue.  As I noted, this is not the first case.  Do other people notice similar issues with Vocalizer?  Is there a technical reason why a word would be pronounced differently in word by word versus line by line or say all? 

 

Here is the college.  The last word is the issue.  I have fixed it in my dictionary manager for now by adding a third s to the word.

College of the Holy Cross

 

I really love the sound  of Nathan’s compact voice, but am quite surprised by some of the strange pronunciations it has for common words.  Even the opposite of “Female” is totally off and is the first thing I adjust in a new dictionary file.

 

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2021, Office 365.

Robin Van Lant

 




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moderated Re: MP3gain installation

 

On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 01:46 PM, David Griffith wrote:
It is certainly not beta but best of luck anyway
-
Version 1.3.4 is beta, and has been for several years.   I'm not saying it doesn't work, but it is beta by the developer's own download page.  His direct statement, "Normal MP3Gain install for version 1.3.4 Do not use this version unless you really need the experimental Unicode support. There seem to be some cases where this version accidentally shortens the filename. I'm still figuring it out."

I am presuming you don't mean 1.03.0004, which would be absolutely ancient by now.  That's so early I don't even remember the one dot zero plus releases.  I took that as a typo.  Current production is Version 1.2.5.  If you happen to be using a one dot zero three release, you really should update to version 1.2.5.  If you have version 1.3.4 and it's not giving you any issues, then just leave well enough alone.
 
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moderated Re: Vocalizer and difference in pronunciation

David Griffith
 

No Kurzweil nowadays comes with ETI Eloquence and Voice Ware Kate Paul and latterly James in later versions (AKA Neospeech).

I started out with version 11 I think but am on version 14 now. It is possible Dec Talk was available in earlier incarnations.

I have never had access to Dec Talk with Kurzweil but would have been interested in giving it a try if it was available.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: 02 February 2021 18:45
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vocalizer and difference in pronunciation

 

I thought K1000 shipped with software DecTalk? At least, that’s what it sounds like. I had it in the early 2000s and it was sure not Eloquence then.

 

I like Eloquence for every day use. The reason you can’t hear those high frequencies is – well, they’re not there. It’s an 11khz synth. It’s been around forever and comes from a time when that was pretty n ormal, and there hasn’t really been any need to change it. I have the IBM TTS for nVDA that sounds a lot like Eloquence, but withs ome small pronunciation differences and a little bit more frequency response.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: February 2, 2021 01:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vocalizer and difference in pronunciation

 

Robin:

 

I don't like eloquence either.  The version that used to ship with k1000 was better, but the one with jaws sounds like audio above a certain frequency is completely missing.  I use Tom Premium High on Jaws and my phone both, it seems about the best, and since I can have it on both, things are usually mis-pronounced everywhere, which bothers me less.

 

I used to have a Dec express, I wish I could get that voice back, maybe without the problem of not being able to shut it up quickly, that might be the best of all worlds.

 

 

On 2/2/2021 10:07, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io wrote:

Chris,

It’s been a while, but, even on my iPhone, I think there is more inflection in the full or enhanced versions.  I was a Window Eyes user with Dec Talk for many years, so I don’t mind the robotic sounds of Eloquence, but there is something to the about the voices that I find hard or fuzzy to my hearing, not the diction, but the audio quality.  I like the sound clarity in Vocalizer Nathan the most, despite some of its pronunciation quirks. I like that the Compact voices are less emotive and more steady.  I’m also not one who listens to speech super-fast, so that isn’t a concern to me. I’m faster than the default for sure, but not the rocket speed I hear others use. I’m not diagnosed as hearing impaired, but have some sort of issues with my hearing of certain frequencies or tones.  I also like Microsoft Mobile Mike for clarity.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 5:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vocalizer and difference in pronunciation

 

WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments.

 

Hello.

 

Yes, synthesizers try to guess context, if they just pronounced words, they wouldn't work near as well.  It becomes obvious when they guess wrong.  May I ask why you are using the compact version of the voice?  These are always inferior to the real versions, and most hardware won't have trouble with the full one.

 

 

On 2/1/2021 17:22, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io wrote:

Hi,

I’m using Vocalizer Nathan Compact with JAWS 2021.  This is not the first case, but is striking today, so it prompted me to pose the question.  I was reading through an Excel file for work of incoming new hires.  I thought there was a typo, because the name of one of the colleges was mispronounced if I read the cell.  If I read word by word, it says the word fine.  I pasted the name into Word and the same thing occurs. Reading in any manner except word by word, causes Vocalizer to mispronounce it.  I’ve switched to Eloquence, Microsoft Mobile, and VoiceWare, all of which do not have this issue.  As I noted, this is not the first case.  Do other people notice similar issues with Vocalizer?  Is there a technical reason why a word would be pronounced differently in word by word versus line by line or say all? 

 

Here is the college.  The last word is the issue.  I have fixed it in my dictionary manager for now by adding a third s to the word.

College of the Holy Cross

 

I really love the sound  of Nathan’s compact voice, but am quite surprised by some of the strange pronunciations it has for common words.  Even the opposite of “Female” is totally off and is the first thing I adjust in a new dictionary file.

 

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2021, Office 365.

Robin Van Lant

 




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moderated Re: MP3gain installation

David Griffith
 

It is certainly not beta but best of luck anyway.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Audiobookfan
Sent: 01 February 2021 21:55
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MP3gain installation

 

I was trying to install version 1.2.5. I think the version you mention

below is a beta and I'd prefer not to use beta software. I only need the

basic functionality of mp3gain.

 

Also, no one has addressed my question about whether I need the updated

files in the full installation of mp3gain or if the version included in

Windows 10 will work. This is an important question to me because I

don't want to have to deal with trying to undo something I've done.

 

Thanks,

Jeff

 

 

On 2/1/2021 8:11 AM, David Griffith wrote:

> MP3Gain GUI Version 1.03.0004 is working fine here.

>

> What version are you trying to install?

>

> David G.

>

> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for

> Windows 10

>

> *From: *Audiobookfan <mailto:listening4it@...>

> *Sent: *01 February 2021 08:52

> *To: *jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

> *Subject: *MP3gain installation

>

> I'm wanting to install mp3gain on my Windows 10 computer and I'm

>

> wondering if there are any issues/risks or gotchas that I should know

>

> about. I launched the installer and got a dialog that indicated that

>

> some necessary files might be missing or out of date. It did give me the

>

> option to install anyway. I'm thinking that I read something in the past

>

> about updating these files might mess up Jaws functionality, but I'm not

>

> sure about that. Can anyone confirm or deny this issue? Should I grab

>

> the full version of mp3gain or just go ahead and install the standard

>

> version? Will the standard version work with the files that come with

>

> Windows 10?

>

> Do I need to be cautious of the download from SourceForge? I also am

>

> concerned that some installers might be bundled with bloatware. Is this

>

> a concern I need to worry about? If so, can anyone point me to a clean

>

> version of mp3gain?

>

> Is there anything else I should be aware of before installing mp3gain?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Jeff

>

>

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: Vocalizer and difference in pronunciation

JM Casey
 

I thought K1000 shipped with software DecTalk? At least, that’s what it sounds like. I had it in the early 2000s and it was sure not Eloquence then.

 

I like Eloquence for every day use. The reason you can’t hear those high frequencies is – well, they’re not there. It’s an 11khz synth. It’s been around forever and comes from a time when that was pretty n ormal, and there hasn’t really been any need to change it. I have the IBM TTS for nVDA that sounds a lot like Eloquence, but withs ome small pronunciation differences and a little bit more frequency response.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: February 2, 2021 01:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vocalizer and difference in pronunciation

 

Robin:

 

I don't like eloquence either.  The version that used to ship with k1000 was better, but the one with jaws sounds like audio above a certain frequency is completely missing.  I use Tom Premium High on Jaws and my phone both, it seems about the best, and since I can have it on both, things are usually mis-pronounced everywhere, which bothers me less.

 

I used to have a Dec express, I wish I could get that voice back, maybe without the problem of not being able to shut it up quickly, that might be the best of all worlds.

 

 

On 2/2/2021 10:07, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io wrote:

Chris,

It’s been a while, but, even on my iPhone, I think there is more inflection in the full or enhanced versions.  I was a Window Eyes user with Dec Talk for many years, so I don’t mind the robotic sounds of Eloquence, but there is something to the about the voices that I find hard or fuzzy to my hearing, not the diction, but the audio quality.  I like the sound clarity in Vocalizer Nathan the most, despite some of its pronunciation quirks. I like that the Compact voices are less emotive and more steady.  I’m also not one who listens to speech super-fast, so that isn’t a concern to me. I’m faster than the default for sure, but not the rocket speed I hear others use. I’m not diagnosed as hearing impaired, but have some sort of issues with my hearing of certain frequencies or tones.  I also like Microsoft Mobile Mike for clarity.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 5:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vocalizer and difference in pronunciation

 

WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments.

 

Hello.

 

Yes, synthesizers try to guess context, if they just pronounced words, they wouldn't work near as well.  It becomes obvious when they guess wrong.  May I ask why you are using the compact version of the voice?  These are always inferior to the real versions, and most hardware won't have trouble with the full one.

 

 

On 2/1/2021 17:22, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io wrote:

Hi,

I’m using Vocalizer Nathan Compact with JAWS 2021.  This is not the first case, but is striking today, so it prompted me to pose the question.  I was reading through an Excel file for work of incoming new hires.  I thought there was a typo, because the name of one of the colleges was mispronounced if I read the cell.  If I read word by word, it says the word fine.  I pasted the name into Word and the same thing occurs. Reading in any manner except word by word, causes Vocalizer to mispronounce it.  I’ve switched to Eloquence, Microsoft Mobile, and VoiceWare, all of which do not have this issue.  As I noted, this is not the first case.  Do other people notice similar issues with Vocalizer?  Is there a technical reason why a word would be pronounced differently in word by word versus line by line or say all? 

 

Here is the college.  The last word is the issue.  I have fixed it in my dictionary manager for now by adding a third s to the word.

College of the Holy Cross

 

I really love the sound  of Nathan’s compact voice, but am quite surprised by some of the strange pronunciations it has for common words.  Even the opposite of “Female” is totally off and is the first thing I adjust in a new dictionary file.

 

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2021, Office 365.

Robin Van Lant

 




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moderated Re: Outlook Files Default Folder

Richard Turner
 

I’d call Microsoft Accessibility for this one, though someone probably knows how to do that without messing things up.

 

 

 

Richard

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 9:48 AM
To: JList <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Outlook Files Default Folder

 

Hi All,

 

Running Windows 10 latest 20H2 and J2021 latest.  How can I change the default Outlook Files folder from the Documents location and move the default folder location somewhere else? 

Also, how can i turn off the size of each message being spoken?

 

 All help is greatly appreciated.  Thanks much.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.


moderated Re: Vocalizer and difference in pronunciation

Chris Hill
 

Robin:


I don't like eloquence either.  The version that used to ship with k1000 was better, but the one with jaws sounds like audio above a certain frequency is completely missing.  I use Tom Premium High on Jaws and my phone both, it seems about the best, and since I can have it on both, things are usually mis-pronounced everywhere, which bothers me less.


I used to have a Dec express, I wish I could get that voice back, maybe without the problem of not being able to shut it up quickly, that might be the best of all worlds.



On 2/2/2021 10:07, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io wrote:

Chris,

It’s been a while, but, even on my iPhone, I think there is more inflection in the full or enhanced versions.  I was a Window Eyes user with Dec Talk for many years, so I don’t mind the robotic sounds of Eloquence, but there is something to the about the voices that I find hard or fuzzy to my hearing, not the diction, but the audio quality.  I like the sound clarity in Vocalizer Nathan the most, despite some of its pronunciation quirks. I like that the Compact voices are less emotive and more steady.  I’m also not one who listens to speech super-fast, so that isn’t a concern to me. I’m faster than the default for sure, but not the rocket speed I hear others use. I’m not diagnosed as hearing impaired, but have some sort of issues with my hearing of certain frequencies or tones.  I also like Microsoft Mobile Mike for clarity.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 5:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vocalizer and difference in pronunciation

 

WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments.

 

Hello.

 

Yes, synthesizers try to guess context, if they just pronounced words, they wouldn't work near as well.  It becomes obvious when they guess wrong.  May I ask why you are using the compact version of the voice?  These are always inferior to the real versions, and most hardware won't have trouble with the full one.

 

 

On 2/1/2021 17:22, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io wrote:

Hi,

I’m using Vocalizer Nathan Compact with JAWS 2021.  This is not the first case, but is striking today, so it prompted me to pose the question.  I was reading through an Excel file for work of incoming new hires.  I thought there was a typo, because the name of one of the colleges was mispronounced if I read the cell.  If I read word by word, it says the word fine.  I pasted the name into Word and the same thing occurs. Reading in any manner except word by word, causes Vocalizer to mispronounce it.  I’ve switched to Eloquence, Microsoft Mobile, and VoiceWare, all of which do not have this issue.  As I noted, this is not the first case.  Do other people notice similar issues with Vocalizer?  Is there a technical reason why a word would be pronounced differently in word by word versus line by line or say all? 

 

Here is the college.  The last word is the issue.  I have fixed it in my dictionary manager for now by adding a third s to the word.

College of the Holy Cross

 

I really love the sound  of Nathan’s compact voice, but am quite surprised by some of the strange pronunciations it has for common words.  Even the opposite of “Female” is totally off and is the first thing I adjust in a new dictionary file.

 

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2021, Office 365.

Robin Van Lant

 




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moderated Outlook Files Default Folder

Mike B.
 

Hi All,
 
Running Windows 10 latest 20H2 and J2021 latest.  How can I change the default Outlook Files folder from the Documents location and move the default folder location somewhere else? 
Also, how can i turn off the size of each message being spoken?
 
 All help is greatly appreciated.  Thanks much.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.


moderated Re: Vocalizer and difference in pronunciation

Van Lant, Robin
 

Chris,

It’s been a while, but, even on my iPhone, I think there is more inflection in the full or enhanced versions.  I was a Window Eyes user with Dec Talk for many years, so I don’t mind the robotic sounds of Eloquence, but there is something to the about the voices that I find hard or fuzzy to my hearing, not the diction, but the audio quality.  I like the sound clarity in Vocalizer Nathan the most, despite some of its pronunciation quirks. I like that the Compact voices are less emotive and more steady.  I’m also not one who listens to speech super-fast, so that isn’t a concern to me. I’m faster than the default for sure, but not the rocket speed I hear others use. I’m not diagnosed as hearing impaired, but have some sort of issues with my hearing of certain frequencies or tones.  I also like Microsoft Mobile Mike for clarity.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 5:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vocalizer and difference in pronunciation

 

WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments.

 

Hello.

 

Yes, synthesizers try to guess context, if they just pronounced words, they wouldn't work near as well.  It becomes obvious when they guess wrong.  May I ask why you are using the compact version of the voice?  These are always inferior to the real versions, and most hardware won't have trouble with the full one.

 

 

On 2/1/2021 17:22, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io wrote:

Hi,

I’m using Vocalizer Nathan Compact with JAWS 2021.  This is not the first case, but is striking today, so it prompted me to pose the question.  I was reading through an Excel file for work of incoming new hires.  I thought there was a typo, because the name of one of the colleges was mispronounced if I read the cell.  If I read word by word, it says the word fine.  I pasted the name into Word and the same thing occurs. Reading in any manner except word by word, causes Vocalizer to mispronounce it.  I’ve switched to Eloquence, Microsoft Mobile, and VoiceWare, all of which do not have this issue.  As I noted, this is not the first case.  Do other people notice similar issues with Vocalizer?  Is there a technical reason why a word would be pronounced differently in word by word versus line by line or say all? 

 

Here is the college.  The last word is the issue.  I have fixed it in my dictionary manager for now by adding a third s to the word.

College of the Holy Cross

 

I really love the sound  of Nathan’s compact voice, but am quite surprised by some of the strange pronunciations it has for common words.  Even the opposite of “Female” is totally off and is the first thing I adjust in a new dictionary file.

 

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2021, Office 365.

Robin Van Lant

 




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