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Re: Caret Browsing

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

I've tried using Caret Browsing, and at times, it gets in the way of navigation and JAWS speech. I can't speak for anybody else, and I've never heard anyone else talk about using it.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

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Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 9:46 AM
Subject: Caret Browsing


Does Caret Browsing have any affect on Jaws or other screen readers? IE, Firefox, and Chrome have this option. Sometimes I turn it on when I need to turn off the virtual cursor on a challenging page. Is it OK to have Caret Browsing
all the time?



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Re: status line outlook

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

IMAP is like POP 3 something about the way the e-mail is structured.
Outlook has IMAP. I don't know what IMAP stands for. You probably know
POP is post office protocol. I don't think they can work together. In
other words if your web mail is a POP variety, I don't think it can be
directed to Outlook with IMAP. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

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Subject: RE: status line outlook

What's Immap?

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Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 12:23 PM
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Cc: Cristóbal
Subject: RE: status line outlook

If you're using imap, set your view to imap

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Subject: status line outlook

Now that my status line accessed by insert 3 has disappeared, is there
another way to learn how many messages I have in my inbox? Pressing tab
when Outlook is open tells me how many unread messages I have. JB

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Re: instead of social eyes

Tom Cruit
 

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Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 11:24 AM
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Cc: Kelly Pierce
Subject: Re: instead of social eyes

there is also the Facebook Messenger app for iOS. One can have voice chats with Facebook friends without burning minutes and send loads of direct messages to Facebook friends.

Kelly



On 11/11/15, Kristoffer Gustafsson via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Hi.
I've not got windows 10 yet. just windows 7.
/Kristoffer

2015-11-04 10:48 GMT+01:00, Kristoffer Gustafsson <kg.kristoffer@gmail.com>:
Hi.
Before there was social Eyes I could use to chat on facebook.
Now that is no longer available for sale.
Is there something else I can use to chat with friends?
/Kristoffer

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Re: status line outlook

judith bron
 

What's Immap?

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Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 12:23 PM
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Cc: Cristóbal
Subject: RE: status line outlook

If you're using imap, set your view to imap

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Subject: status line outlook

Now that my status line accessed by insert 3 has disappeared, is there
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when Outlook is open tells me how many unread messages I have. JB

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Caret Browsing

Robert Logue
 

Does Caret Browsing have any affect on Jaws or other screen readers? IE, Firefox, and Chrome have this option. Sometimes I turn it on when I need to turn off the virtual cursor on a challenging page. Is it OK to have Caret Browsing
all the time?


Re: status line outlook

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Judith. Try INSERT plus the number eight on the num pad.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

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Subject: status line outlook


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Re: instead of social eyes

Kelly Pierce
 

there is also the Facebook Messenger app for iOS. One can have voice
chats with Facebook friends without burning minutes and send loads of
direct messages to Facebook friends.

Kelly

On 11/11/15, Kristoffer Gustafsson via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Hi.
I've not got windows 10 yet. just windows 7.
/Kristoffer

2015-11-04 10:48 GMT+01:00, Kristoffer Gustafsson <kg.kristoffer@gmail.com>:
Hi.
Before there was social Eyes I could use to chat on facebook.
Now that is no longer available for sale.
Is there something else I can use to chat with friends?
/Kristoffer

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Re: status line outlook

Cristóbal
 

If you're using imap, set your view to imap

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Subject: status line outlook

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status line outlook

judith bron
 

Now that my status line accessed by insert 3 has disappeared, is there
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when Outlook is open tells me how many unread messages I have. JB

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Re: jaws and two graphics cards

Merv Keck <blind5sparrow@...>
 

Quite a few of the more recent computers have this video setup. Jaws 16 and 17 handle this configuration quite well. I have a Lenovo with 16 GB Ram and an SSD boot drive as well as an internal storage drive. It also has both an NVidia 2 GB video card as well as the Intel video. Both are enabled in device manager and both are working properly with no issues.
I am also running Windows 10 64 bit Home after upgrading from Windows 8.1 Home myself here on this Lenovo Z70.
In fact I recently discovered that a very bad lag which I was attributing to an accessibility bug between Jaws, Windows 10, and Microsoft new accessibility driver was in fact a piece of bloat ware that came pre-installed on this machine which I purchased from Amazon in June. It is called One Key Optimizer. It was controlling at least 27 aspects of my computer so harshly that it was not even allowing me to charge my battery toward the end. It also was controlling certain aspects of my video adapter. Once I removed that which is not even compatible with Windows 10 it was like I had a brand new machine.
Hope that helps
Merv

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Cc: Kristoffer Gustafsson <kg.kristoffer@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: jaws and two graphics cards

Hi.
If you look at the msi gt72 computer you can see that it has two cards. one intel Graphics, and one nvidia Graphics.
I'm wondering about how jaws and the video intersept will handle that thing.
/Kristoffer

2015-11-11 15:51 GMT+01:00, Mario via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>:
do you mean the mobo has 2 seperate onboard video connectors? I
haven't got the foggiest idea what JAWS will do. I like to see what
others might know. I guess JAWS will use the video that is the primary controller.
but then I don't know if JAWS can switch to using the other controller
like it can if there are 2 audio controllers.




On 11/11/2015 7:15 AM, Kristoffer Gustafsson via Jfw wrote:
Hi.
I'm not talking about a desktop now, but a laptop.
for example. the msi gt72 has two cards.
One if you want to run games, and a normal card.
what do you Think will happen if I press the switch button by accident.
to switch between those two will require a reboot.
/Kristoffer

2015-11-09 19:36 GMT+01:00, Kristoffer Gustafsson
<kg.kristoffer@gmail.com>:
Hi.
I'm wondering how it will go if I have a laptop with 2 Graphics cards.
There are some with the normal Graphics card, and then computers
with both the normal intel card, and a nvidia Graphics card.
how will jaws handle this?
/Kristoffer

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Re: Chrome is Useless!

Brad Martin
 

You are correct; I am using JAWS 15.

On 11/11/2015 10:23 AM, Gary King via Jfw wrote:
Brad,
When I open Google Chrome using the latest version of JAWS 16, I find that Google Chrome settings are loaded. What version of JAWS are you using? I think JAWS used Firefox settings in the past, but now has support for Chrome.

Gary King
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Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 11:01 PM
Subject: Chrome is Useless!


Curious about all the hubbub on this list (I hadn't read my Email in a week), I installed Google Chrome. Here are my observations:

1. Chrome never asked me a question, never asked if I wanted it to be my default browser, made itself my default--at least on the account under which I installed it, but otherwise was OK.

2. The first time it opened, it felt remarkably like Firefox, except of course for the single menu, which was fine.

3. Pressing Insert Q told me that the settings JAWS had loaded were for Firefox, although I was using Chrome. Kind of interesting.

4. Now that I've told Firefox to resume being the default browser, Chrome can't decide whether it wants to open on my Admin account or not. Sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't.

5. On my personal user account, Chrome will not open. Period. Makes it kind of hard to browse the web. Right click. Double Click. Enter. Nothing.

So I would say the one time it worked, it was fine, although it actually felt slower than Firefox for me, but I didn't get much chance to play with it before it went on strike. I'll keep it for another day and see if it decides to work again, but otherwise, I'm trashing it. I don't need the dead weight.



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Re: Chrome and combo boxes

Andre Jarreau <andre.jarreau@...>
 

I just hit the spacebar to open the combo list. Hit enter on what I want or
escape to exit. That's what I have seen on my machine. The worst issue
Ihave with Chrome is that it is slow. Hope this helps.

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via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 7:32 AM
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Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: Chrome and combo boxes

Alt-down arrow does nothing as a first key combination in the combo box I
just tried. It doesn't work until I first press enter. I handle combo boxes
by habit, so I can't be sure of this, but I think I always have to press
enter first and then alt-down arrow. I'll be curious how anyone using Chrome
handles combo boxes.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 8:25 AM
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Cc: Ann Byrne
Subject: Re: Chrome and combo boxes

Alt-down arrow is supposed to open a combo box. I wonder if you opened it
that way if the behavior would be different. Probably not, but it's worth a
try??? (LOL) At 04:41 AM 11/11/2015, you wrote:
Hi. While browsing with Chrome, I'm having difficulty exiting combo
boxes while preserving my choices. With IE, and I think also Firefox, I
usually (1) press enter, then (2) alt-down arrow, then
(3) arrow down to my choice, (4) keep focus there and (5) press alt-up
arrow. Step 5 preserves my choice and takes me out of the box.

With Chrome, step 5 doesn't work. Instead, I need to press enter on my
choice. However, I'm still in the combo box. Alt-up arrow doesn't take
me out, or if it does, I lose my choice. In one case, the wrong choice
is shown.

Just now, pressing enter on my choice and then tabbing to the next
field took me out of the combo box into the next field. Is this the
only way of exiting a combo box in Chrome while preserving your choice?
What if there isn't another field? (I haven't been able to test this
possibility yet.)
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Re: Chrome is Useless!

Gary King
 

Brad,
When I open Google Chrome using the latest version of JAWS 16, I find that Google Chrome settings are loaded. What version of JAWS are you using? I think JAWS used Firefox settings in the past, but now has support for Chrome.

Gary King
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Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 11:01 PM
Subject: Chrome is Useless!


Curious about all the hubbub on this list (I hadn't read my Email in a week), I installed Google Chrome. Here are my observations:

1. Chrome never asked me a question, never asked if I wanted it to be my default browser, made itself my default--at least on the account under which I installed it, but otherwise was OK.

2. The first time it opened, it felt remarkably like Firefox, except of course for the single menu, which was fine.

3. Pressing Insert Q told me that the settings JAWS had loaded were for Firefox, although I was using Chrome. Kind of interesting.

4. Now that I've told Firefox to resume being the default browser, Chrome can't decide whether it wants to open on my Admin account or not. Sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't.

5. On my personal user account, Chrome will not open. Period. Makes it kind of hard to browse the web. Right click. Double Click. Enter. Nothing.

So I would say the one time it worked, it was fine, although it actually felt slower than Firefox for me, but I didn't get much chance to play with it before it went on strike. I'll keep it for another day and see if it decides to work again, but otherwise, I'm trashing it. I don't need the dead weight.



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Correction: Chrome Is Not Totally Useless

Brad Martin
 

This morning, Chrome ended its strike, and decided it would open. So it's not totally useless. My comments previously had nothing to do with accessibility, and everything to do with the fact that the program refused to open last night. When it finally started (after I went into task manager and killed two Chrome Processes that were stuck open), it was hit or miss; sometimes I'd have to try two or three times before it would decide to open. Finally, on about the eighth attempt, I started getting questions and prompts from Chrome, and then it decided it would function.

So now that it opens pretty consistently, it's not totally useless. Honestly, though, since I have installed Adblock as an add-on to Firefox it seems faster than Chrome.

To Adrian's points, I'm not having any issues with Combo boxes at all in Chrome. For the Save Link As option, I route JAWS to PC (even though the JAWS cursor reads nothing), and then right-clicked, and I could save the item linked to. And what I was saying in the first part of my message last night was that the program installed without asking anything. It didn't ask if I wanted it to be my default browser; it just made itself so.

What I found most interesting (and helpful) is Chrome's treatment of the mobile version of Facebook. This is going to sound weird, but for instance, in Facebook mobile, if I'm using Chrome I can change my newsfeed between Most Recent and Top Stories. Typically, with other browsers I have to go to the full Facebook site for this option.

I find that Chrome reads a lot more useless information like "article" "article end" "story". And all of these items are on separate lines, so there ends up being a lot more arrowing down.

I'm not sure I'd make it my default, but I may install Adblock for it as well and see if it improves the speed.

Having said all that, I have an I5 desktop with 8 GB of RAM, so even IE does not feel sluggish, and since I installed Adblock in Firefox, Firefox stopped crashing too.

I'm keeping Chrome for now, but at this point Firefox is still my default browser.

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Re: JAWS and speech input?

Ron Worley Home <ron65@...>
 

You can use Dragon with JAWS; but, you will have to arrow around to see if
it dictated what you intended to say. Keep in mind that J-Say is a program
intended to echo back what you said into the microphone and to echo when it
is typed or completed. If J-Say isn't on that computer, then you will still
need to use the cursers or JAWS commands to navigate the computer. Also, if
you are accessing a program or switching windows, JAWS will speak like
normal usually. The Latest version of J-Say is 13.1. When everything is
working fine, it is a pretty cool thing to see.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 5:50 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Les Kriegler
Subject: RE: JAWS and speech input?

Ann, you can use Dragon with Jaws, but it's my understanding that you won't
receive automatic speech feedback unless you use J-Say with Dragon.

Les

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne via
Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 6:58 PM
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Subject: JAWS and speech input?

Is anyone using JAWS with a speech input program such as Dragon dictate. is
it still necessary to use J-say with Jaws and Dragon?


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Re: Chrome is Useless!

ratshtron <northstar1950@...>
 

hmmm, i switched to crome as well because with ie it was very sluggish and firefox started placing ads at the bottom the pages that would make my litetalk go crazy with speaking stuff not on the screen. crome does work great for me as well.


Legend has it that on Wednesday 11/11/2015 04:57 AM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw said:
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Hi, Brad.

I began experimenting with Chrome as a skeptic, but it works so fast that I've kept experimenting and just yesterday made it my default. My system is Win7, 64-bit, and I'm using the latest release of JAWS 16. The last thing I want is to be a crusader on something like this, but let me just comment on two of your points.

I'm not exactly sure what you're saying with your first point. But even if Chrome isn't asking if you want it to be your default, you can make it so by pressing enter on "settings" in the menu, then searching for default on the Google page that comes up.

As for your third point, Firefox is not named when I press insert-q.

I haven't tried to make another browser my default after doing so for Chrome, so I can't comment on your fourth and fifth points.

Still, while claims that Chrome is "fully" accessible are exaggerated, it isn't "useless." It seems to me that all three main browsers present accessibility problems, and it's a question of picking your poison. A lot might depend on how a particular browser works with the websites a screenreader user tends to visit most often. But I'm perplexed Why Firefox and Chrome should be interacting with each other on your system to the detriment of Chrome.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 12:02 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Brad Martin
Subject: Chrome is Useless!

Curious about all the hubbub on this list (I hadn't read my Email in a
week), I installed Google Chrome. Here are my observations:

1. Chrome never asked me a question, never asked if I wanted it to be my
default browser, made itself my default--at least on the account under
which I installed it, but otherwise was OK.

2. The first time it opened, it felt remarkably like Firefox, except of
course for the single menu, which was fine.

3. Pressing Insert Q told me that the settings JAWS had loaded were for
Firefox, although I was using Chrome. Kind of interesting.

4. Now that I've told Firefox to resume being the default browser,
Chrome can't decide whether it wants to open on my Admin account or not.
Sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't.

5. On my personal user account, Chrome will not open. Period. Makes it
kind of hard to browse the web. Right click. Double Click. Enter. Nothing.

So I would say the one time it worked, it was fine, although it actually
felt slower than Firefox for me, but I didn't get much chance to play
with it before it went on strike. I'll keep it for another day and see
if it decides to work again, but otherwise, I'm trashing it. I don't
need the dead weight.



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Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Judith. Mozy is in the cloud, but is not another form of the cloud. Any Online service which stores files for later retrieval is part of the cloud.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

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Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 6:07 AM
Subject: RE: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7


Is Mozy another form of the cloud?

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 9:21 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Peter Donahue
Subject: RE: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Hello Jim and everyone,

It's possible to have it both ways. JAWS could be directed to store
a user's settings locally for those who prefer that setup or store them in
the cloud for users wanting easy access to them in the event of a computer
crash or if one buys a new computer. During installation if the cloud option
is selected JFW could be directed to retrieve your user settings from the
cloud so they can be reloaded with ease. This doesn't need to be an
either/or proposition.


Peter Donahue



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via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 5:50 PM
To: 'Bill White'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Having JAWS totally in the cloud would scare the daylights out of me!
However, having JAWS settings in the cloud is no less of a security concern!

In my view, the ONLY thing that makes sense is to have a "fail-safe" way to
access your JAWS settings which is "resident" on your PC/lap top/tablet.
That way, people, who DO NOT want to use the cloud, will not be forced to do
so, and access to these settings would be available even if your PC/lap
top/tablet is not connected to the internet at the time.

I ask you... is the cloud REALLY NECESSARY? My response is clearly NO!

Jim H

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From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 7:16 PM
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Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Hi, Drew. Freedom Scientific is not going to run JAWS in the cloud. Only the

settings will be stored in the cloud. So you wouldn't be able to log on with

different devices and not have JAWS on your PC.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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Subject: RE: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7


The biggest advantage of having Jaws in the cloud in my opinion would
be that it wouldn't be effecting the operation of your PC. It would
also be much easier to use Jaws on multiple computers as you would
just need to log into the cloud on whatever computer you are using. As
far as security goes, for real hackers as long as a computer is
connected to the internet periodically it doesn't matter weather the
info is on the cloud or the hard drive they can still access it.
Should be interesting what will happen with this, but I am all for the
cloud.

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Hamilton via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 3:35 PM
To: 'Peter Donahue'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Good evening Peter:

Over the last several years, we have seen a lot of news about some
exceedingly security-conscious organizations, e.g. US Government,
being hacked into. So, I do not believe that anything is "perfectly"
safe; but,
I
do believe that I am better off when I keep personal information very
close to home. In my view, no "cloud" is hacker-proof.

This feature may be seen by many as a good idea; but, I strongly
believe that users should be given the choice of where their JAWS
settings are saved! This kind of stuff is just too important to put
out into an ethernet cloud - public, or private! If I do not have an
internet signal, what will happen? Will I just have to wait until my
signal returns before I can use JAWS again. And, what happens if JAWS
access is needed in an emergency?

In short, there MUST be a "fail-safe" way to access JAWS settings when
desired/required!

To be honest, finding a way to keep the Merge Utility would seem to be
a more "current" problem to resolve, rather than "where" JAWS settings
are stored. It still confounds me that it would be left out in JAWS
17; but, I am only a "user".

For years, I have considered JAWS to be about the best screen reader,
despite its various problems. However, my perception of how Version
17 has been planned, and especially regarding how much it appears that
this version was just not very-well thought out, is causing second
thoughts on my part.

Perhaps, I'm a dinosaur; but, I bet that other JAWS users have the
same concern that I have expressed. Frankly, I want to KEEP my
privacy as long as I can, and I also would prefer that control of my
"necessary" aids be left in MY hands.

It is my hope that FS will keep these concerns in mind when going forward.
For instance, are there any plans to "re-introduce" the Merge Utility
in an upcoming "update" to Version 17? And, despite your confidence
in "cloud storage" of JAWS settings, might there be some thought to
giving users that "fail-safe" of which I wrote?

That's all for now. Thanks for listening.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Donahue [mailto:pdonahue2@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 5:51 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Good afternoon,

There are public and private clouds. FS would obviously use a
private cloud to address privacy concerns. We use a number of cloud
applications and have not had issues with our privacy being
compromized or our devices being hacked. Being able to have JAWS
reload user settings and configurations from the cloud would be a
welcome feature in a future version.

Peter Donahue




Jim Hamilton via Jfw wrote:
Sorry folks! My overriding concern is "privacy", of which there is
NONE
in
the cloud! And, it's yet more information available "out there" for
anyone,
with the skills, to find about me, or anyone else!

OK; so, I'm a technical dinosaur; bbut, I'm not alone.

Jim H

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From: David Moore [mailto:jesusloves1966@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 5:22 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Hi all,
Having all settings, scripts, and all changes we make to JAWS stored
in
the
cloud excites me a lot. If FS created a service for us to do this, We
would
never lose our settings and our own scripts ever again. I agree.
Bring it on.


-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Donahue via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 5:09 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Peter Donahue
Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Hello everyone,

For some having JAWS store your user settings in the cloud is big.
I have made this suggestion to FS for some time and would like to see
it become a reality. Your authorization code would be stored with
your user settings allowing JAWS to retrieve information such as
saved settings whenever you upgrade to a new version or install and
authorize it on another device. Bring it on FS!

Peter Donahue



Soronel Haetir via Jfw wrote:
The only possible benefit I could see of allowing jaws to save
settings to the cloud is if they loosen the licensing system so that
it is easier for a single user to use many devices.

On 11/6/15, Jim Hamilton via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
For one, I will continue to ignore requests to store "anything" in
the cloud! There is already far too much information out there,
online, about myself, and don't want any additional windows into my
life. If FS has this in mind for saving/changing our JAWS
settings, I will strongly protest.
Of
course, before protesting, I will wait to see what happens.

Jim H
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Re: Chrome and "save target as"

Dennis Clark <dennis@...>
 

Hi Adrian,
I'm not clear what you are trying to download when you say the "target of a link." I tend to think of a link as including the path to a file followed by the name of the file. So are you wanting to download the "text" of the path and filename which will be saved as a link in a particular location?

I am curious if you have noticed all the contents of the Chrome download folder. It appears that when a file is downloaded, the URL where the file was downloaded from is also saved and listed immediately below the file. Perhaps this is also done by other browsers, though my versions of IE and Firefox don't, but both are quite old.
Best,
Dennis

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Subject: RE: Chrome and "save target as"


True. But there are times when the download link can create problems. I wish I could give the link I encountered this morning as an example, but it's a password-protected, members-only website. that "save target as" option in the right mouse click menu has saved my bacon many times.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 8:24 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Ann Byrne
Subject: Re: Chrome and "save target as"

When you download with chrome--that is, press enter on the download
link--Chrome doesn't indicate that a file is downloading. Control-j
will tell you that it is, though.
At 05:19 AM 11/11/2015, you wrote:
Now I've just encountered a situation where I wanted to save the
target of a link to my downloads folder. Both IE and Firefox have
this feature. I can't find any sign of it in Chrome. The right-mouse
and application keys produce nothing. Any ideas?
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Re: jaws and two graphics cards

Kristoffer Gustafsson
 

Hi.
If you look at the msi gt72 computer you can see that it has two
cards. one intel Graphics, and one nvidia Graphics.
I'm wondering about how jaws and the video intersept will handle that thing.
/Kristoffer

2015-11-11 15:51 GMT+01:00, Mario via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>:

do you mean the mobo has 2 seperate onboard video connectors? I haven't
got the foggiest idea what JAWS will do. I like to see what others might
know. I guess JAWS will use the video that is the primary controller.
but then I don't know if JAWS can switch to using the other controller
like it can if there are 2 audio controllers.




On 11/11/2015 7:15 AM, Kristoffer Gustafsson via Jfw wrote:
Hi.
I'm not talking about a desktop now, but a laptop.
for example. the msi gt72 has two cards.
One if you want to run games, and a normal card.
what do you Think will happen if I press the switch button by accident.
to switch between those two will require a reboot.
/Kristoffer

2015-11-09 19:36 GMT+01:00, Kristoffer Gustafsson
<kg.kristoffer@gmail.com>:
Hi.
I'm wondering how it will go if I have a laptop with 2 Graphics cards.
There are some with the normal Graphics card, and then computers with
both the normal intel card, and a nvidia Graphics card.
how will jaws handle this?
/Kristoffer

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Inbox fixed!

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I called Microsoft Disabilities with regard to getting my messages in
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ribbons and said to checked received. I am so thankful that it is fixed!



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