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Sending a scanned image

brian albriton
 

What is your preferred way of scanning a printed page and sending it as an
image. This might be a check as a for instance?





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Re: Merge Utility - GONE!!!!!!

Soronel Haetir
 

Given that whatever they are talking about is a year away I would say
wait and see what they are actually talking about before getting
worked up about it.

On 11/12/15, Jim Hamilton via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Ted:

In my view, "acceptable" is not good enough. There really SHOULD be an
alternative for those who do not want to/cannot use the cloud!

If users would pressure FS on this point, I believe that it will happen;
but, they will have to do so ASAP. FS does have a history of responding to
users' concerns. So, let's see if FS still takes their customers, and
their
customer service seriously!

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) [mailto:Ted.Lisle@ky.gov]
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 11:53 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility - GONE!!!!!!

If it comes to requiring, I'd agree, Jim. Having it as an alternative for
those who desire it would be acceptable though.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 12:29 PM
To: 'Aidan'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility - GONE!!!!!!

To be honest, I have ABSOLUTELY NO INTEREST in storing ANYTHING in "any
cloud". The security risks outway any other factor in my decision! So, if
JAWS 17 will "require" the use of "cloud storage", I will NOT use JAWS 17!

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Aidan [mailto:aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 4:14 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Merge Utility - GONE!!!!!!

Jim I agree. Really, unless if they will at least allow the cloud of your
choice? Then I can safe to dropbox or google drive, that will make more
sense, but even then, really their priorities stinks.

On 05/11/2015, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
wrote:
Give me a break; that's why The Good Lord invented hard drives.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Aidan
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 6:35 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Aidan
Subject: Re: Merge Utility - GONE!!!!!!

I heard that yes, the only thing is that it should've been ready by
now. But sound intresting.

On 05/11/2015, David Moore via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Hi guys,
When I was listening to the latest webinar about JAWS 17, Dan Clark
said something about that that they were replacing the merge utility
with something that would allow people to save all settings in the
cloud. So, I am not sure what they are thinking about, but it will be
totally different than the merge utility.


-----Original Message-----
From: Aidan via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 6:25 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Aidan
Subject: Re: Merge Utility - GONE!!!!!!

Jim. Know one noes when they will bring an replacement tool back. I
suspect probibly in version 18. Because they only say they working on
something more improved for customers. I don't know what that means,
but they of the rode.

On 05/11/2015, Jim Hamilton via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
There seems to be a storm brewing regarding the fact that the Merge
Utility is not part of JAWS V: 17. Why was this problem not worked
out before JAWS
17 was released? Clearly, FS knew that previous version settings
could not be "merged" as in previous versions; so, FS should have
fixed it before it became a problem!

Can you tell us in which very early-on JAWS Version: 17 update will
this fix appear? At this time, I am planning to wait until the "fix
is in" before upgrading to Version: 17. Of course, this will mean
waiting to install Windows 10; but, it cannot be helped!

Jim H


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Re: Key mapping question.

Soronel Haetir
 

I use a tool called SharpKeys for that, it is available at
https://sharpkeys.codeplex.com/

On 11/12/15, Michael Mote via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Good afternoon folks! I pose this question to the list because I know
they're a lot of smart folks on here who may be able to give me some
advice.
I have a new keyboard that does not have an applications key on it. I
would
like to map one of my keys on the spacebar row to serve as the apps key.
Does anyone know how I can do this? For now, I'm using shift plus F10 to
do
this, but it would be a lot easier to just have an apps key. Many thanks
for any help!









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Correction to Post.

Justin McDevitt <jusliz@...>
 

Hello Listmembers:



In my post from earlier today, I referred to Windows 365. Another member
brought it to my attention that in fact meant Office 365.



Are there any issues in configuring Office365 I need to be aware of. Kevin
mentioned that so far there does not appear to be a way to transfer
contacts from Outlook. Is there a way to sync contacts in my Home PC Outlook
account with the Office 365 email program?



Best, Justin



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Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Melissa Stott <mstott69@...>
 

It keeps me in good practice as to how to do things manually.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bissett, Tom via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:54 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bissett, Tom
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

If you recall we had the same situation going from jaws 12 to jaws 13. Because of the number and type of changes a merge was not possible. We are seeing the same situation again. I am sure FS will have a merge moving from 17 to 18.
I realize it is an inconvenience but really! Itss not a show stopper.
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of judith bron via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:37 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: judith bron
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

When Freedom scientific first began way back when their mission statement was to provide a program to the blind and visually impaired world that would allow them to work the computer using keystrokes rather than a mouse. We've come a long way since then but it seems that part of the mission statement has been lost in the mire. Business has to keep progressing but losing sight of your mission eventually reduces all the economic progress. There are other screen readers. I hope FS doesn't wake up one day to hear that their popularity and standing in the blind community has been replaced by another company.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 2:50 PM
To: 'Pablo Morales'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Pablo :

Sorry, I had replied to this in the incorrect manner; so, I am resending my reply to your message below.

****************

Anyone wishing to complain about "no Merge Utility in JAWS 17" should send their concerns to:

suggestions@freedomscientific.com

This was the advice, from JAWS Technical Support, that I got in response to my sending my concerns to them. So, I took the technical support person at his word, and sent my concerns accordingly. So far though, there has been no reply from FS!

However, the more people who do share their concerns in this way, the more likely that FS will do something - constructive! So, come on people, strike a blow for those who need/want to keep access to their JAWS settings on their PCs!

Thank you.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Pablo Morales [mailto:pablocmd2014@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 2:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Writing to where?
I need merge utility, I can't not be ,re writing all commands or configurations every time, it is time consuming.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 1:23 PM
To: 'Tom Behler'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Dr. Tom Behler:

Thanks. Did you follow up by writing to the "suggestions" link in the body of that generic response? I think that this is where the power-to-change exists within FS.

"Power to the people!"

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 4:07 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Jim and all:

I sent my letter of discontent in early this morning, and got the generic response.

Hopefully others will do the same.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 3:37 PM
To: 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Well, I must say that it is most gratifying to see that lots of other JAWS users are upset with losing the Merge Utility! I hate to be the only one screaming in the wilderness. I have already used the below link to complain, and received the typical FS reply that someone would be in touch.
I agree that the more people who let FS know about their feelings on this, and any other, matter, makes a lot of sense. It is the noisy wheel that gets greased! Let's keep those cards and letters coming in!

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. [mailto:kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu]
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 11:31 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

What's the traffic volume like on the JAWS-Users group?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:41 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

Believe me, I would like to rollover & stick at least 1 of my 4 legs up 1 of someone's ass at Freedom Scientific but, it seems like, most of the time anyways, they don't give a rats ass about what we the consumer think & go on their merry way! I do agree that if people complained in more volume it might make more of an impact but, if these complaints fall upon deaf ears, so to speak, complaining won't change anything either, just as it hasn't changed crap like this in, forever, with FS. I can tell you 1 way of making
1 of the most important people within Fs, Eric Damry, aware of how you feel, & that is to join another email list, Jaws-Users. Eric Damry is a member of this list & is a somewhat frequent poster depending on the topic, to the list. Here is the necessary link to join if interested.

To join:

jaws-users-list-join@jaws-users.com

Click on the link above, put subscribe in the subject line, leave the message body empty, & send. You'll receive a confirmation email, reply to it & you should be good to go.

It's not a real high traffic list.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:09 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Mike,

Understood. The temptation to roll over and stick my four legs up in the air

is sometimes strong, but over time I've found that persistence and volume can prevail. By persistence, I mean one person demanding a fix. By volume, I

mean the more of us who complain, the more pressure FS will be under to fix it and ensure this kind of fiasco doesn't recur.

I do recall many versions ago that the merge utility cause havoc from one version to the next. The people at FS remember that event. I also know that persistence doesn't always work. I've had my own frustrations with FS over time.

But the merge utility was basic to the transition from version to version, and most of us JAWS users depended on it. It's bad enough that we must pay for a SMA every two versions, which FS has ensured means every two years, but now to go through such inconvenience as well?

As for the lister who proposed a petition, let him produce one. Otherwise, it's simple enough to write to FS and let our voices be heard. Again, the address is

support@freedomscientific.com

I admit I don't like being a rabble-rouser, but this really is annoying.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

I agree with you &, I don't find it acceptable either but, what else are we supposed to do? We can bitch until the cows come home & it won't change the fact, that Freedom Scientific already knows, they are not keeping up with their own products. I've complained about various screw-ups for many years, & when you send them a complaint you only get back an automated kiss ass email stating how they're working to resolve the problem. It seems to me that they have a need to stay on some kind of schedule, & that schedule is to put out a new version of Jaws around November of each year whether it's ready for consumer consumption or not!
Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:46 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Sorry, Mike, but I don't find this statement acceptable. Ease of transition from version to version is important. FS should have anticipated this concern and figured out a solution before it became our problem. As I believe it was Aidan who pointed out, it isn't as if the new features in JAWS 17 are exactly compelling. There are potential problems involved in skipping a version, so I still plan to install JAWS 17 one of these days.
Once again, I encourage anyone who feels as I do to contact FS Tech Support at

support@freedomscientific.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi All,

There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells about the Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This comes from What's new in Jaws 17.

Merge Utility No Longer Available

Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process. This included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these changes, the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from prior versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future which will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our customers.

Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: merge utility


I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone on the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we might be able to get enough signitures to make an impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this point, and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and ease of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start all over again with the settings they've created over the course of years? Note that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Re: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

Stan Holdeman
 

OK. I got it playing on my NLS player.

Thanks for your help.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 2:10 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Gerald Levy
Subject: Re: A tutorial on Google Chrome.


Because the tutorial is an MP3 file, you must save it in the Audio+Podcasts
folder on your flash drive, just like any other MP3 file. If your flash
drive does not already have a folder labled Audio+Podcasts, you need to
create one.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Holdeman via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 1:08 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Stan Holdeman
Subject: Re: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

How did you do that? I copied the tutorial to a drive where I have other NLS
books, but my player did not find the tutorial file .

Stan


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:52 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Gerald Levy
Subject: Re: A tutorial on Google Chrome.


I had no problem downloading this tutorial and listening to it on my NLS
Digital Talking Book player.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Holdeman via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:45 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Stan Holdeman
Subject: Re: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

When I try to run the tutorial Media Player gives me an error message and is
not able to run the tutorial.

Is this just me, or are others experiencing the problem?

Stan


-----Original Message-----
From: David Moore via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 5:34 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: David Moore
Subject: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

Hi all,
Here is the tutorial on Google Chrome Browser that I have promised you. It
is a Audio MP3 file that will play on about anything. I go over how to save
files, and use Surfs Up to demonstrate everything you need to know about
using different combo boxes and all you need to know when using a browser. I
hope you enjoy it. It is an hour long. The link below is a drop box link. I
fixed my drop box, so this link should work fine. Enter on the link and a
page will open up. Go to almost to the bottom of the page and enter on the
download link. You can save it to your computer. I hope you can get even
more out of Google Chrome. Here is the link below.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ni7ydojdlehiqsc/Tutorial%20for%20Google%20Chrome.mp3?dl=0
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Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Bissett, Tom <tom.bissett@...>
 

If you recall we had the same situation going from jaws 12 to jaws 13. Because of the number and type of changes a merge was not possible. We are seeing the same situation again. I am sure FS will have a merge moving from 17 to 18.
I realize it is an inconvenience but really! Itss not a show stopper.
Tom Bisset

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of judith bron via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:37 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: judith bron
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

When Freedom scientific first began way back when their mission statement was to provide a program to the blind and visually impaired world that would allow them to work the computer using keystrokes rather than a mouse. We've come a long way since then but it seems that part of the mission statement has been lost in the mire. Business has to keep progressing but losing sight of your mission eventually reduces all the economic progress. There are other screen readers. I hope FS doesn't wake up one day to hear that their popularity and standing in the blind community has been replaced by another company.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 2:50 PM
To: 'Pablo Morales'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Pablo :

Sorry, I had replied to this in the incorrect manner; so, I am resending my reply to your message below.

****************

Anyone wishing to complain about "no Merge Utility in JAWS 17" should send their concerns to:

suggestions@freedomscientific.com

This was the advice, from JAWS Technical Support, that I got in response to my sending my concerns to them. So, I took the technical support person at his word, and sent my concerns accordingly. So far though, there has been no reply from FS!

However, the more people who do share their concerns in this way, the more likely that FS will do something - constructive! So, come on people, strike a blow for those who need/want to keep access to their JAWS settings on their PCs!

Thank you.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Pablo Morales [mailto:pablocmd2014@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 2:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Writing to where?
I need merge utility, I can't not be ,re writing all commands or configurations every time, it is time consuming.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 1:23 PM
To: 'Tom Behler'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Dr. Tom Behler:

Thanks. Did you follow up by writing to the "suggestions" link in the body of that generic response? I think that this is where the power-to-change exists within FS.

"Power to the people!"

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 4:07 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Jim and all:

I sent my letter of discontent in early this morning, and got the generic response.

Hopefully others will do the same.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 3:37 PM
To: 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Well, I must say that it is most gratifying to see that lots of other JAWS users are upset with losing the Merge Utility! I hate to be the only one screaming in the wilderness. I have already used the below link to complain, and received the typical FS reply that someone would be in touch.
I agree that the more people who let FS know about their feelings on this, and any other, matter, makes a lot of sense. It is the noisy wheel that gets greased! Let's keep those cards and letters coming in!

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. [mailto:kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu]
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 11:31 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

What's the traffic volume like on the JAWS-Users group?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:41 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

Believe me, I would like to rollover & stick at least 1 of my 4 legs up 1 of someone's ass at Freedom Scientific but, it seems like, most of the time anyways, they don't give a rats ass about what we the consumer think & go on their merry way! I do agree that if people complained in more volume it might make more of an impact but, if these complaints fall upon deaf ears, so to speak, complaining won't change anything either, just as it hasn't changed crap like this in, forever, with FS. I can tell you 1 way of making
1 of the most important people within Fs, Eric Damry, aware of how you feel, & that is to join another email list, Jaws-Users. Eric Damry is a member of this list & is a somewhat frequent poster depending on the topic, to the list. Here is the necessary link to join if interested.

To join:

jaws-users-list-join@jaws-users.com

Click on the link above, put subscribe in the subject line, leave the message body empty, & send. You'll receive a confirmation email, reply to it & you should be good to go.

It's not a real high traffic list.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:09 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Mike,

Understood. The temptation to roll over and stick my four legs up in the air

is sometimes strong, but over time I've found that persistence and volume can prevail. By persistence, I mean one person demanding a fix. By volume, I

mean the more of us who complain, the more pressure FS will be under to fix it and ensure this kind of fiasco doesn't recur.

I do recall many versions ago that the merge utility cause havoc from one version to the next. The people at FS remember that event. I also know that persistence doesn't always work. I've had my own frustrations with FS over time.

But the merge utility was basic to the transition from version to version, and most of us JAWS users depended on it. It's bad enough that we must pay for a SMA every two versions, which FS has ensured means every two years, but now to go through such inconvenience as well?

As for the lister who proposed a petition, let him produce one. Otherwise, it's simple enough to write to FS and let our voices be heard. Again, the address is

support@freedomscientific.com

I admit I don't like being a rabble-rouser, but this really is annoying.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

I agree with you &, I don't find it acceptable either but, what else are we supposed to do? We can bitch until the cows come home & it won't change the fact, that Freedom Scientific already knows, they are not keeping up with their own products. I've complained about various screw-ups for many years, & when you send them a complaint you only get back an automated kiss ass email stating how they're working to resolve the problem. It seems to me that they have a need to stay on some kind of schedule, & that schedule is to put out a new version of Jaws around November of each year whether it's ready for consumer consumption or not!
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:46 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Sorry, Mike, but I don't find this statement acceptable. Ease of transition from version to version is important. FS should have anticipated this concern and figured out a solution before it became our problem. As I believe it was Aidan who pointed out, it isn't as if the new features in JAWS 17 are exactly compelling. There are potential problems involved in skipping a version, so I still plan to install JAWS 17 one of these days.
Once again, I encourage anyone who feels as I do to contact FS Tech Support at

support@freedomscientific.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi All,

There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells about the Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This comes from What's new in Jaws 17.

Merge Utility No Longer Available

Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process. This included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these changes, the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from prior versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future which will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our customers.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: merge utility


I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone on the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we might be able to get enough signitures to make an impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this point, and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and ease of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start all over again with the settings they've created over the course of years? Note that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Re: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

HAMILTON
 

I was able to hear this MP3, using JAWS 16 on a 64-bit, Windows 8.1 system.
I simply clicked on the link.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Holdeman [mailto:sholdeman@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:45 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

When I try to run the tutorial Media Player gives me an error message and is

not able to run the tutorial.

Is this just me, or are others experiencing the problem?

Stan


-----Original Message-----
From: David Moore via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 5:34 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: David Moore
Subject: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

Hi all,
Here is the tutorial on Google Chrome Browser that I have promised you. It
is a Audio MP3 file that will play on about anything. I go over how to save
files, and use Surfs Up to demonstrate everything you need to know about
using different combo boxes and all you need to know when using a browser. I

hope you enjoy it. It is an hour long. The link below is a drop box link. I
fixed my drop box, so this link should work fine. Enter on the link and a
page will open up. Go to almost to the bottom of the page and enter on the
download link. You can save it to your computer. I hope you can get even
more out of Google Chrome. Here is the link below.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ni7ydojdlehiqsc/Tutorial%20for%20Google%20Chrome.m
p3?dl=0
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Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

judith bron
 

When Freedom scientific first began way back when their mission statement
was to provide a program to the blind and visually impaired world that would
allow them to work the computer using keystrokes rather than a mouse. We've
come a long way since then but it seems that part of the mission statement
has been lost in the mire. Business has to keep progressing but losing
sight of your mission eventually reduces all the economic progress. There
are other screen readers. I hope FS doesn't wake up one day to hear that
their popularity and standing in the blind community has been replaced by
another company.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 2:50 PM
To: 'Pablo Morales'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Pablo :

Sorry, I had replied to this in the incorrect manner; so, I am resending my
reply to your message below.

****************

Anyone wishing to complain about "no Merge Utility in JAWS 17" should send
their concerns to:

suggestions@freedomscientific.com

This was the advice, from JAWS Technical Support, that I got in response to
my sending my concerns to them. So, I took the technical support person at
his word, and sent my concerns accordingly. So far though, there has been
no reply from FS!

However, the more people who do share their concerns in this way, the more
likely that FS will do something - constructive! So, come on people, strike
a blow for those who need/want to keep access to their JAWS settings on
their PCs!

Thank you.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Pablo Morales [mailto:pablocmd2014@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 2:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Writing to where?
I need merge utility, I can't not be ,re writing all commands or
configurations every time, it is time consuming.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 1:23 PM
To: 'Tom Behler'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Dr. Tom Behler:

Thanks. Did you follow up by writing to the "suggestions" link in the body
of that generic response? I think that this is where the power-to-change
exists within FS.

"Power to the people!"

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 4:07 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Jim and all:

I sent my letter of discontent in early this morning, and got the generic
response.

Hopefully others will do the same.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 3:37 PM
To: 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Well, I must say that it is most gratifying to see that lots of other JAWS
users are upset with losing the Merge Utility! I hate to be the only one
screaming in the wilderness. I have already used the below link to
complain, and received the typical FS reply that someone would be in touch.
I agree that the more people who let FS know about their feelings on this,
and any other, matter, makes a lot of sense. It is the noisy wheel that
gets greased! Let's keep those cards and letters coming in!

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. [mailto:kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu]
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 11:31 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

What's the traffic volume like on the JAWS-Users group?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:41 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

Believe me, I would like to rollover & stick at least 1 of my 4 legs up 1 of
someone's ass at Freedom Scientific but, it seems like, most of the time
anyways, they don't give a rats ass about what we the consumer think & go on
their merry way! I do agree that if people complained in more volume it
might make more of an impact but, if these complaints fall upon deaf ears,
so to speak, complaining won't change anything either, just as it hasn't
changed crap like this in, forever, with FS. I can tell you 1 way of making
1 of the most important people within Fs, Eric Damry, aware of how you feel,
& that is to join another email list, Jaws-Users. Eric Damry is a member of
this list & is a somewhat frequent poster depending on the topic, to the
list. Here is the necessary link to join if interested.

To join:

jaws-users-list-join@jaws-users.com

Click on the link above, put subscribe in the subject line, leave the
message body empty, & send. You'll receive a confirmation email, reply to
it & you should be good to go.

It's not a real high traffic list.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:09 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Mike,

Understood. The temptation to roll over and stick my four legs up in the air

is sometimes strong, but over time I've found that persistence and volume
can prevail. By persistence, I mean one person demanding a fix. By volume, I

mean the more of us who complain, the more pressure FS will be under to fix
it and ensure this kind of fiasco doesn't recur.

I do recall many versions ago that the merge utility cause havoc from one
version to the next. The people at FS remember that event. I also know that
persistence doesn't always work. I've had my own frustrations with FS over
time.

But the merge utility was basic to the transition from version to version,
and most of us JAWS users depended on it. It's bad enough that we must pay
for a SMA every two versions, which FS has ensured means every two years,
but now to go through such inconvenience as well?

As for the lister who proposed a petition, let him produce one. Otherwise,
it's simple enough to write to FS and let our voices be heard. Again, the
address is

support@freedomscientific.com

I admit I don't like being a rabble-rouser, but this really is annoying.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

I agree with you &, I don't find it acceptable either but, what else are we
supposed to do? We can bitch until the cows come home & it won't change the
fact, that Freedom Scientific already knows, they are not keeping up with
their own products. I've complained about various screw-ups for many years,
& when you send them a complaint you only get back an automated kiss ass
email stating how they're working to resolve the problem. It seems to me
that they have a need to stay on some kind of schedule, & that schedule is
to put out a new version of Jaws around November of each year whether it's
ready for consumer consumption or not!
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:46 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Sorry, Mike, but I don't find this statement acceptable. Ease of transition
from version to version is important. FS should have anticipated this
concern and figured out a solution before it became our problem. As I
believe it was Aidan who pointed out, it isn't as if the new features in
JAWS 17 are exactly compelling. There are potential problems involved in
skipping a version, so I still plan to install JAWS 17 one of these days.
Once again, I encourage anyone who feels as I do to contact FS Tech Support
at

support@freedomscientific.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi All,

There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells about the
Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This comes
from What's new in Jaws 17.

Merge Utility No Longer Available

Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process. This
included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these changes,
the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from prior
versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future which
will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our
customers.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: merge utility


I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone on
the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we might
be able to get enough signitures to make an impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching
semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this point,
and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and ease
of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be
fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start all
over again with the settings they've created over the course of years? Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Re: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

HAMILTON
 

Thank you. I am not sure if I want to use a "google" product, given their
privacy policy; but, with all I have been hearing, I should check this out.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: David Moore [mailto:jesusloves1966@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 5:35 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

Hi all,
Here is the tutorial on Google Chrome Browser that I have promised you. It
is a Audio MP3 file that will play on about anything. I go over how to save
files, and use Surfs Up to demonstrate everything you need to know about
using different combo boxes and all you need to know when using a browser. I
hope you enjoy it. It is an hour long. The link below is a drop box link. I
fixed my drop box, so this link should work fine. Enter on the link and a
page will open up. Go to almost to the bottom of the page and enter on the
download link. You can save it to your computer. I hope you can get even
more out of Google Chrome. Here is the link below.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ni7ydojdlehiqsc/Tutorial%20for%20Google%20Chrome.m
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Re: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Microsoft Accessibility - 800-936-5900.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kramlinger,
Keith G., M.D. via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 2:03 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. <kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu>
Subject: RE: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

Someone had posted a message on this list a month back or so. I can't
find it in my list now, or I'd tell you what it was. Could try a Google
Search, unless someone else here has it. Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Stan
Holdeman via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 12:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Stan Holdeman
Subject: Re: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

Where did you find the number for Microsoft Accessibility Support?

Stan


-----Original Message-----
From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 11:05 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Subject: RE: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

I had that same problem a few weeks back, and I called Microsoft
Accessibility Support for some help. They ran a few programs remotely
that removed some corrupted files and made sure Windows Updates were
current.
That's with a Windows 7 64-bit, Windows Media Player, and the latest Jaws
16. Might be worth considering. Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Stan
Holdeman via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:59 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Stan Holdeman
Subject: Re: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

OK, I did save it to my computer. So I deleted that file and went back
and downloaded it all over again.

Same result. Media Player has stopped working says the dialogue that
comes up right after MP starts.

Do I need to sign up for a drop box account before downloading?

Stan


-----Original Message-----
From: David Moore via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:53 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

Hi,
I always save the file and then play it. Maybe it has something to do
with running instead of saving, I really don't know. Try saving it to
your computer. It should play in about any player. I tried saving it
myself and pressed enter on the saved MP3 file and it played in my VLC
media player.
Take care and let me know if it still doesn't work after saving the file.
David Moore, Moderator


-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Holdeman via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:45 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Stan Holdeman
Subject: Re: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

When I try to run the tutorial Media Player gives me an error message and
is not able to run the tutorial.

Is this just me, or are others experiencing the problem?

Stan


-----Original Message-----
From: David Moore via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 5:34 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: David Moore
Subject: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

Hi all,
Here is the tutorial on Google Chrome Browser that I have promised you.
It is a Audio MP3 file that will play on about anything. I go over how to
save files, and use Surfs Up to demonstrate everything you need to know
about using different combo boxes and all you need to know when using a
browser. I hope you enjoy it. It is an hour long. The link below is a
drop box link. I fixed my drop box, so this link should work fine. Enter
on the link and a page will open up. Go to almost to the bottom of the
page and enter on the download link. You can save it to your computer. I
hope you can get even more out of Google Chrome. Here is the link below.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ni7ydojdlehiqsc/Tutorial%20for%20Google%20Chrom
e.mp3?dl=0
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Re: speaking "cell" in internet explorer tables

Gennie Eachus <geachus@...>
 

According to Eric Damery on Main Menu, that has been taken out. That may be
for the next update though. Do you have smart navigation turned on? If so,
see if turning that off helps.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Corner
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 11:22 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Barbara Corner <bcorner@columbus.rr.com>
Subject: speaking "cell" in internet explorer tables

I just upgraded to JAWS 17 and am having issues with how JAWS handles tables
in internet explorer.

I have two websites which are made up of tables, one is for our email and
JAWS used to put the name of the sender, the subject , the date etc on
separate lines so I could read it easily and click on the button to open it.
Now JFW 17 puts it all on one line and says "cell" "cell" which is pretty
annoying. Any hints for this?
Thanks!

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Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Nermin
 

Hi all,

I feel this opinion will not be very popular, however, foreign language users of JAWS have always been advised not to import settings from prior versions.
The reason being that some options are not present in older versions, which in turn leads to strange behaviour as soon as the import is done.
I always copy scripts or dictionary files that are not part of the original JAWS manually and redo settings from scratch as suggested.
This would mean that a cloud-based solution would only make sense once the settings have been stored and configured to one's preference.
But I am not a real fan of could solutions, one never knows what FS would save along with personal settings.

Regards,
Nermin


Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

HAMILTON
 

Peter :

However, without the "Merge Utility", users will still have to save their
settings in the cloud if they do not want to do all the work needed to re-do
set-up their settings for every new JAWS version that gets released, or if
they strongly object to using the cloud at all. I really do think that
"priority" should be placed on returning the Merge Utility! It could be
done in 1 of the "earliest" general updates to V: 17.

Of course, I am assuming that FS really cares about users' feedback! In
fact, I do not recall this much fuss being raised about almost any other
change made to JAWS over the years.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Donahue [mailto:pdonahue2@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 9:21 PM
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Subject: RE: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Hello Jim and everyone,

It's possible to have it both ways. JAWS could be directed to store
a user's settings locally for those who prefer that setup or store them in
the cloud for users wanting easy access to them in the event of a computer
crash or if one buys a new computer. During installation if the cloud option
is selected JFW could be directed to retrieve your user settings from the
cloud so they can be reloaded with ease. This doesn't need to be an
either/or proposition.


Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 5:50 PM
To: 'Bill White'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Having JAWS totally in the cloud would scare the daylights out of me!
However, having JAWS settings in the cloud is no less of a security concern!

In my view, the ONLY thing that makes sense is to have a "fail-safe" way to
access your JAWS settings which is "resident" on your PC/lap top/tablet.
That way, people, who DO NOT want to use the cloud, will not be forced to do
so, and access to these settings would be available even if your PC/lap
top/tablet is not connected to the internet at the time.

I ask you... is the cloud REALLY NECESSARY? My response is clearly NO!

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 7:16 PM
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Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Hi, Drew. Freedom Scientific is not going to run JAWS in the cloud. Only the

settings will be stored in the cloud. So you wouldn't be able to log on with

different devices and not have JAWS on your PC.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
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Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:11 PM
Subject: RE: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7


The biggest advantage of having Jaws in the cloud in my opinion would
be that it wouldn't be effecting the operation of your PC. It would
also be much easier to use Jaws on multiple computers as you would
just need to log into the cloud on whatever computer you are using. As
far as security goes, for real hackers as long as a computer is
connected to the internet periodically it doesn't matter weather the
info is on the cloud or the hard drive they can still access it.
Should be interesting what will happen with this, but I am all for the
cloud.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Hamilton via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 3:35 PM
To: 'Peter Donahue'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Good evening Peter:

Over the last several years, we have seen a lot of news about some
exceedingly security-conscious organizations, e.g. US Government,
being hacked into. So, I do not believe that anything is "perfectly"
safe; but,
I
do believe that I am better off when I keep personal information very
close to home. In my view, no "cloud" is hacker-proof.

This feature may be seen by many as a good idea; but, I strongly
believe that users should be given the choice of where their JAWS
settings are saved! This kind of stuff is just too important to put
out into an ethernet cloud - public, or private! If I do not have an
internet signal, what will happen? Will I just have to wait until my
signal returns before I can use JAWS again. And, what happens if JAWS
access is needed in an emergency?

In short, there MUST be a "fail-safe" way to access JAWS settings when
desired/required!

To be honest, finding a way to keep the Merge Utility would seem to be
a more "current" problem to resolve, rather than "where" JAWS settings
are stored. It still confounds me that it would be left out in JAWS
17; but, I am only a "user".

For years, I have considered JAWS to be about the best screen reader,
despite its various problems. However, my perception of how Version
17 has been planned, and especially regarding how much it appears that
this version was just not very-well thought out, is causing second
thoughts on my part.

Perhaps, I'm a dinosaur; but, I bet that other JAWS users have the
same concern that I have expressed. Frankly, I want to KEEP my
privacy as long as I can, and I also would prefer that control of my
"necessary" aids be left in MY hands.

It is my hope that FS will keep these concerns in mind when going forward.
For instance, are there any plans to "re-introduce" the Merge Utility
in an upcoming "update" to Version 17? And, despite your confidence
in "cloud storage" of JAWS settings, might there be some thought to
giving users that "fail-safe" of which I wrote?

That's all for now. Thanks for listening.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Donahue [mailto:pdonahue2@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 5:51 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Good afternoon,

There are public and private clouds. FS would obviously use a
private cloud to address privacy concerns. We use a number of cloud
applications and have not had issues with our privacy being
compromized or our devices being hacked. Being able to have JAWS
reload user settings and configurations from the cloud would be a
welcome feature in a future version.

Peter Donahue




Jim Hamilton via Jfw wrote:
Sorry folks! My overriding concern is "privacy", of which there is
NONE
in
the cloud! And, it's yet more information available "out there" for
anyone,
with the skills, to find about me, or anyone else!

OK; so, I'm a technical dinosaur; bbut, I'm not alone.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: David Moore [mailto:jesusloves1966@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 5:22 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Hi all,
Having all settings, scripts, and all changes we make to JAWS stored
in
the
cloud excites me a lot. If FS created a service for us to do this, We
would
never lose our settings and our own scripts ever again. I agree.
Bring it on.


-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Donahue via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 5:09 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Peter Donahue
Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Hello everyone,

For some having JAWS store your user settings in the cloud is big.
I have made this suggestion to FS for some time and would like to see
it become a reality. Your authorization code would be stored with
your user settings allowing JAWS to retrieve information such as
saved settings whenever you upgrade to a new version or install and
authorize it on another device. Bring it on FS!

Peter Donahue



Soronel Haetir via Jfw wrote:
The only possible benefit I could see of allowing jaws to save
settings to the cloud is if they loosen the licensing system so that
it is easier for a single user to use many devices.

On 11/6/15, Jim Hamilton via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
For one, I will continue to ignore requests to store "anything" in
the cloud! There is already far too much information out there,
online, about myself, and don't want any additional windows into my
life. If FS has this in mind for saving/changing our JAWS
settings, I will strongly protest.
Of
course, before protesting, I will wait to see what happens.

Jim H
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Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

HAMILTON
 

Pablo :

Sorry, I had replied to this in the incorrect manner; so, I am resending my
reply to your message below.

****************

Anyone wishing to complain about "no Merge Utility in JAWS 17" should send
their concerns to:

suggestions@freedomscientific.com

This was the advice, from JAWS Technical Support, that I got in response to
my sending my concerns to them. So, I took the technical support person at
his word, and sent my concerns accordingly. So far though, there has been
no reply from FS!

However, the more people who do share their concerns in this way, the more
likely that FS will do something - constructive! So, come on people, strike
a blow for those who need/want to keep access to their JAWS settings on
their PCs!

Thank you.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Pablo Morales [mailto:pablocmd2014@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 2:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Writing to where?
I need merge utility, I can't not be ,re writing all commands or
configurations every time, it is time consuming.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 1:23 PM
To: 'Tom Behler'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Dr. Tom Behler:

Thanks. Did you follow up by writing to the "suggestions" link in the body
of that generic response? I think that this is where the power-to-change
exists within FS.

"Power to the people!"

Jim H

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From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 4:07 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Jim and all:

I sent my letter of discontent in early this morning, and got the generic
response.

Hopefully others will do the same.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


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via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 3:37 PM
To: 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Well, I must say that it is most gratifying to see that lots of other JAWS
users are upset with losing the Merge Utility! I hate to be the only one
screaming in the wilderness. I have already used the below link to
complain, and received the typical FS reply that someone would be in touch.
I agree that the more people who let FS know about their feelings on this,
and any other, matter, makes a lot of sense. It is the noisy wheel that
gets greased! Let's keep those cards and letters coming in!

Jim H

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From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. [mailto:kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu]
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 11:31 AM
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Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

What's the traffic volume like on the JAWS-Users group?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:41 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

Believe me, I would like to rollover & stick at least 1 of my 4 legs up 1 of
someone's ass at Freedom Scientific but, it seems like, most of the time
anyways, they don't give a rats ass about what we the consumer think & go on
their merry way! I do agree that if people complained in more volume it
might make more of an impact but, if these complaints fall upon deaf ears,
so to speak, complaining won't change anything either, just as it hasn't
changed crap like this in, forever, with FS. I can tell you 1 way of making
1 of the most important people within Fs, Eric Damry, aware of how you feel,
& that is to join another email list, Jaws-Users. Eric Damry is a member of
this list & is a somewhat frequent poster depending on the topic, to the
list. Here is the necessary link to join if interested.

To join:

jaws-users-list-join@jaws-users.com

Click on the link above, put subscribe in the subject line, leave the
message body empty, & send. You'll receive a confirmation email, reply to
it & you should be good to go.

It's not a real high traffic list.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:09 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Mike,

Understood. The temptation to roll over and stick my four legs up in the air

is sometimes strong, but over time I've found that persistence and volume
can prevail. By persistence, I mean one person demanding a fix. By volume, I

mean the more of us who complain, the more pressure FS will be under to fix
it and ensure this kind of fiasco doesn't recur.

I do recall many versions ago that the merge utility cause havoc from one
version to the next. The people at FS remember that event. I also know that
persistence doesn't always work. I've had my own frustrations with FS over
time.

But the merge utility was basic to the transition from version to version,
and most of us JAWS users depended on it. It's bad enough that we must pay
for a SMA every two versions, which FS has ensured means every two years,
but now to go through such inconvenience as well?

As for the lister who proposed a petition, let him produce one. Otherwise,
it's simple enough to write to FS and let our voices be heard. Again, the
address is

support@freedomscientific.com

I admit I don't like being a rabble-rouser, but this really is annoying.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

I agree with you &, I don't find it acceptable either but, what else are we
supposed to do? We can bitch until the cows come home & it won't change the
fact, that Freedom Scientific already knows, they are not keeping up with
their own products. I've complained about various screw-ups for many years,
& when you send them a complaint you only get back an automated kiss ass
email stating how they're working to resolve the problem. It seems to me
that they have a need to stay on some kind of schedule, & that schedule is
to put out a new version of Jaws around November of each year whether it's
ready for consumer consumption or not!
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:46 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Sorry, Mike, but I don't find this statement acceptable. Ease of transition
from version to version is important. FS should have anticipated this
concern and figured out a solution before it became our problem. As I
believe it was Aidan who pointed out, it isn't as if the new features in
JAWS 17 are exactly compelling. There are potential problems involved in
skipping a version, so I still plan to install JAWS 17 one of these days.
Once again, I encourage anyone who feels as I do to contact FS Tech Support
at

support@freedomscientific.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi All,

There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells about the
Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This comes
from What's new in Jaws 17.

Merge Utility No Longer Available

Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process. This
included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these changes,
the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from prior
versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future which
will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our
customers.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: merge utility


I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone on
the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we might
be able to get enough signitures to make an impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching
semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this point,
and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and ease
of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be
fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start all
over again with the settings they've created over the course of years? Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 16

HAMILTON
 

Anyone wishing to complain about "no Merge Utility in JAWS 17" should send
their concerns to:

suggestions@freedomscientific.com

This was the advice, from JAWS Technical Support, that I got in response to
my sending my concerns to them. So, I took the technical support person at
his word, and sent my concerns accordingly. So far though, there has been
no reply from FS!

However, the more people who do share their concerns in this way, the more
likely that FS will do something - constructive! So, come on people, strike
a blow for those who need/want to keep access to their JAWS settings on
their PCs!

Thank you.

Jim H

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Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 4:19 PM
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Subject: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 16

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Key mapping question.

Michael Mote
 

Good afternoon folks! I pose this question to the list because I know
they're a lot of smart folks on here who may be able to give me some advice.
I have a new keyboard that does not have an applications key on it. I would
like to map one of my keys on the spacebar row to serve as the apps key.
Does anyone know how I can do this? For now, I'm using shift plus F10 to do
this, but it would be a lot easier to just have an apps key. Many thanks
for any help!









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Re: Email Ascending vs. Descending

HAMILTON
 

Carolyn:

To be honest, I do not know if the "sort order" has anything to do with
"messages grouped by conversation", or not.

Can you not change to "descending" by clicking on the "view menu" item, down
arrow 3 times to "arrangement submenu", right arrow once, and down arrow 3
times to "reverse sort". If you click on that, the order of messages in
"that" folder should reverse - to "descending" if it is currently on
"ascending".

Good luck.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold [mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net]
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 3:45 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Email Ascending vs. Descending

It says "show conversation not checked."

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Carlson via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 11:52 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Email Ascending vs. Descending

Carolyn,

Again it sounds like you have your messages grouped by conversation, and
you need to turn that off to get back to a descending order.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 08:27 AM
Subject: RE: Email Ascending vs. Descending


It said "show as conversations box, not available."

Thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Carlson via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 11:21 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Email Ascending vs. Descending

MS-Outlook, or WLM, or Outlook Express? If OE, then View menu, Current
view, look for group by conversation and uncheck.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 07:35 AM
Subject: RE: Email Ascending vs. Descending


How would I do that, David?

This morning, I couldn't get into my Inbox; it said it was collapsed,
restarted, same problem. I Alted this and that, finally hit Shift F10,
and it said expand, so I entered, and at least I can get into them now. I
will try grouping. I would appreciate instruction if you know how to do
that so that I won't just try to figure it out and maybe mess up
something. Thank you.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Carlson via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 11:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Email Ascending vs. Descending

Carolyn,

Are you grouping your messages, perhaps? If they are grouped so that each
subject requires expanding, then it will default to ascending, regardless
of your view settings. If you have descending set and are not grouping,
then I would expect them to be sorted descending.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 09:40 AM
Subject: Outlook 2013.


Yesterday, we ran a full systems scan. Since that time, I noticed that
the e-mails in my Inbox, not my others, were in descending order. I went
in and checked back on ascending. Yet, they are still coming in
descending order. Anyone have any idea how I can make it do my way,
e-mails in ascending order. I checked back, and ascending is checked.
Thanks for any ideas.



Best from,



Carolyn



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Amazon issues

Sandra Streeter
 

Hello, all:

For the first time, I am really miffed at Amazon. Has anyone visited recently? They have a new sign-in feature, which, of COURSE, involves captias with no audio equivalent! They give you a link for “having trouble or sight-impaired,” but the only thing there is options for contacting them, which I did, with an “assertive-gram”, which, if you’re experiencing this issue, you might want to follow up on with one of your own so they will listen to us, hopefully. I stated the situation is unacceptable, since many of us are Christmas shopping now, and requested that they immediately remedy things. If anyone has managed to get around the captia and still do check-out, please do email the list and let us know how you did it! Thanks!



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Microsoft disability number

Maria Campbell
 

That number is 800-936-5900.

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