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Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

ratshtron <northstar1950@...>
 

yeh, i had to switch to google crome and works so much better than internet explorer or firefox. with jaws, i had to keep restarting jaws because of the stupid ads at the bottom of the screen that would through jaws in to a tagant of speaking stuff not on the screen. jaws would even crash completely at times as well.


Legend has it that on Thursday 11/5/2015 04:41 AM, Aidan via Jfw said:
----------------------------------------
I totally agree with you. I use it as my default brouzer for more than
a week now, and so far know problems. When downloading files its a
little different from explorer but stil very manageable. And the best
brouzer to log into banking websites. The android version is also
super. The only thing I'm very sad about is that supernova don't
support it well yet it seems.

On 05/11/2015, Debbie April Yuille via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
I look forward to hearing it.

Debbie
Skype: apparating.girl

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Sent: Thursday, 5 November 2015 8:50 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: David Moore <jesusloves1966@gmail.com>
Subject: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Hi all.
I have been experimenting with Google Chrome Browser, and I have found that
it is very accessible and easy to use. More than that, I can open the same
web site in half the time as with IE or Firefox. It never crashes, and it
is
more stable than any other browser. It is the best browser when it comes to
streaming videos and other media by far. The video never pauses for
example.
In IE, the same video pauses a few times for a few seconds. Also, Google
Chrome is the easiest browser to use. Yes, I am not kidding. Simply press
enter on the browser, and the home page opens. I have mine set to Google of
course. Now, just press alt and the screen reader will say chrome button.
If
you press down arrow, every setting and menu you will ever need is in that
one vertical column. The history, delete history, book marks, are all in
that one vertical menu just by pressing the alt key on the home page. All
navigation JAWS short cut keys work in Google Chrome. I have not found
anything yet that is not accessible. Also, every JAWS key command works in
Chrome just like in IE. You can just press alt + D for the address bar for
example. I will continue to play around with Google Chrome a little more,
and I will be ready to do an Audio tutorial for you guys. You will not
believe just how much better Google Chrome is over any other browser. You
will hear it with your own ears when I send you the tutorial probably by
Friday. I know some of you will use Chrome as your default browser. God
bless and have a great night. Talk to all of you soon.
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Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Maria Campbell
 

One good thing, Eric D'amery on the other list knows how we feel, even if we can't vent there as we can here.

On 11/5/2015 12:08 AM, Curtis Delzer via Jfw wrote:
I mean, talk about blowing smoke, that is . . . definitely.
That should always be a property of the new update, to make sure your
personalized settings are integrated, and just because something new is
so different, that only means that the developer must take care of the
customer base so that the differences can be handled by customized
settings which can be applied to the newer version. Talk about a crock
of double talk, "working on it," when if the plan had been to not
include a merge utility, that should have been in the stage of
development from the get go, not "we're working on it," now.
If a setting is so new, then double duh! some kind of utility to upgrade
and update settings should be employed, not thrown into the discard.
Thinking with their lack of ideas, it seems to me. How about that,
"thinking with their lack of ideas."
That's like saying, when the guy snores next to you as you whack him him
to wake him up,
"hey! hey!" "Wake up and go to sleep."
duh! and double duh! Pure and simple, someone just . . . screwed up, and
there is no denial that can make up for that.



At 08:01 PM 11/4/2015, you wrote:
Well, I'm sorry! FS telling us that they are "working on it" is just not
good enough!

Can you tell that I'm upset?

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Melissa Stott [mailto:mstott69@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 9:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

I agree with Mike. I'm sure that they are working on something.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi All,

There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells
about the
Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This comes
from What's new in Jaws 17.

Merge Utility No Longer Available

Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process.
This
included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these
changes,
the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from
prior
versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future
which
will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our
customers.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: merge utility


I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if
someone on
the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we
might
be able to get enough signitures to make an impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching
semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this point,
and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature
again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience
and ease
of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be
fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important
this is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to
start all
over again with the settings they've created over the course of years?
Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

That is what we all would like to know. And normally, they won't make
the replacement tool available in smaller updates. So I think we
probibly would have to wait a hole year for 18 to see this. That is
why I'm so angry.

On 05/11/2015, Tom Behler via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
But, when is the solution going to become available, and why was it not
implemented with the initial release of Jaws 17?

Not trying to be difficult here; just confused.


Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi All,

There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells about
the
Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This comes
from What's new in Jaws 17.

Merge Utility No Longer Available

Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process. This
included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these
changes,
the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from
prior
versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future which
will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our
customers.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: merge utility


I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone on
the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we
might
be able to get enough signitures to make an impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching
semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this point,
and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and
ease
of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be
fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this
is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start all
over again with the settings they've created over the course of years? Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Re: merge utility

Mike and Jenna <schwaltze@...>
 

Hi,

I was told they are working on a replacement as there were many things
changed in v17 that made it not work.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom Behler via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 8:33 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Tom Behler <tombehler@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: merge utility

I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone on
the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we might
be able to get enough signitures to make an impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching
semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this point,
and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and ease
of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be
fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start all
over again with the settings they've created over the course of years? Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Re: Do not upgrade to Office 2016

Gennie Eachus <geachus@...>
 

I subscribe to Office 365. That is why I upgraded. Didn't cost anything.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 9:58 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
Subject: RE: Do not upgrade to Office 2016

If you don't use Outlook, how about Access, Excel, Word? Are there any
compelling new features we can't live without? I no longer have the urge to
run out and buy the latest and greatest program or OS, so I must be
tantalized, if I'm going to bother to upgrade.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gennie Eachus
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 8:05 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Gennie Eachus
Subject: Do not upgrade to Office 2016

Hi,



I upgraded to Office 2016 yesterday. Outlook works only occasionally. Most
of the time when you open a message, you can't read the message. JAWS just
says, "blank". 2016 had to be uninstalled and office 2013 reinstalled. Word
in 2016 seemed to work all right. They have not improved the spell checker
though. Just like 2013. No alt-key to use.



Gennie

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Re: merge utility

Adrian Spratt
 

We shouldn't begrudge FS for aiming to make money. The profit motive is often a driving force for improvement, and technological accessibility wouldn't have come this far if developers hadn't been able to make enough to pay staff, fund research, etc. We can just focus on mistakes FS makes, as we would any other company, whether for- or not-for-profit. Any company in the mainstream marketplace would know that this sort of cavalier attitude would meet with public outcry. I hope anyone who feels as we do will ask FS to fix this defect in an upcoming update to JAWS 17. Again, the email address is
support@freedomscientific.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Aidan via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 6:21 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Aidan
Subject: Re: merge utility

Tom, a patition is a good thing but in this case I don't think it will
help. Fs is to in love with money and that is where the change must
come. I promis, if supernova get up to standard as they mostly are
then I will switch. I had enough. There were patitions for other buggs
they never fixed, and I did not here from those people ever that it
was fixed since then. I think ms and fs have some sort of an
agreement, that is why fs going strong and the reason why ms will
never improve narrator. They just give us bits and peaces to to try to
fool us and condition many blind people that ms is really caring about
accessibility. Now as far as jaws features goes, fs is doing the same
thing. If you look at the feature set they did in the last 2 or free
years, its becoming very clear, that only a few things are useful.
Flexable web look nice when you play with it, but really for the money
you pay it don't provide what most people would need. It just help you
to filter what you don't like on a sertin site, and if you visit that
site from another pc or with another screen reader, then you have to
learn the original layout anyway.

On 05/11/2015, Soronel Haetir via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Note that at least in the case of dictionary and script files you
don't actually have to start over, you just have to copy the files
yourself. I don't know if there are enough differences to actually
make that not work for .jcf files or not, I didn't try with those.

On 11/4/15, Adrian Spratt via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be
fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this
is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start
all
over again with the settings they've created over the course of years?
Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Tom Behler
 

But, when is the solution going to become available, and why was it not
implemented with the initial release of Jaws 17?

Not trying to be difficult here; just confused.


Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi All,

There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells about the
Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This comes
from What's new in Jaws 17.

Merge Utility No Longer Available

Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process. This
included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these changes,
the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from prior
versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future which
will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our
customers.

Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: merge utility


I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone on
the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we might
be able to get enough signitures to make an impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching
semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this point,
and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and ease
of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
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via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be
fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start all
over again with the settings they've created over the course of years? Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
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via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Re: Merge Utility - GONE!!!!!!

Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

I heard that yes, the only thing is that it should've been ready by
now. But sound intresting.

On 05/11/2015, David Moore via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Hi guys,
When I was listening to the latest webinar about JAWS 17, Dan Clark said
something about that that they were replacing the merge utility with
something that would allow people to save all settings in the cloud. So, I
am not sure what they are thinking about, but it will be totally different
than the merge utility.


-----Original Message-----
From: Aidan via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 6:25 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Aidan
Subject: Re: Merge Utility - GONE!!!!!!

Jim. Know one noes when they will bring an replacement tool back. I
suspect probibly in version 18. Because they only say they working on
something more improved for customers. I don't know what that means,
but they of the rode.

On 05/11/2015, Jim Hamilton via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
There seems to be a storm brewing regarding the fact that the Merge
Utility
is not part of JAWS V: 17. Why was this problem not worked out before
JAWS
17 was released? Clearly, FS knew that previous version settings could
not
be "merged" as in previous versions; so, FS should have fixed it before
it
became a problem!

Can you tell us in which very early-on JAWS Version: 17 update will this
fix
appear? At this time, I am planning to wait until the "fix is in" before
upgrading to Version: 17. Of course, this will mean waiting to install
Windows 10; but, it cannot be helped!

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Re: Merge Utility - GONE!!!!!!

David Moore
 

Hi guys,
When I was listening to the latest webinar about JAWS 17, Dan Clark said something about that that they were replacing the merge utility with something that would allow people to save all settings in the cloud. So, I am not sure what they are thinking about, but it will be totally different than the merge utility.

-----Original Message-----
From: Aidan via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 6:25 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Aidan
Subject: Re: Merge Utility - GONE!!!!!!

Jim. Know one noes when they will bring an replacement tool back. I
suspect probibly in version 18. Because they only say they working on
something more improved for customers. I don't know what that means,
but they of the rode.

On 05/11/2015, Jim Hamilton via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
There seems to be a storm brewing regarding the fact that the Merge Utility
is not part of JAWS V: 17. Why was this problem not worked out before JAWS
17 was released? Clearly, FS knew that previous version settings could not
be "merged" as in previous versions; so, FS should have fixed it before it
became a problem!

Can you tell us in which very early-on JAWS Version: 17 update will this
fix
appear? At this time, I am planning to wait until the "fix is in" before
upgrading to Version: 17. Of course, this will mean waiting to install
Windows 10; but, it cannot be helped!

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Re: Merge Utility - GONE!!!!!!

Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

Jim. Know one noes when they will bring an replacement tool back. I
suspect probibly in version 18. Because they only say they working on
something more improved for customers. I don't know what that means,
but they of the rode.

On 05/11/2015, Jim Hamilton via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
There seems to be a storm brewing regarding the fact that the Merge Utility
is not part of JAWS V: 17. Why was this problem not worked out before JAWS
17 was released? Clearly, FS knew that previous version settings could not
be "merged" as in previous versions; so, FS should have fixed it before it
became a problem!

Can you tell us in which very early-on JAWS Version: 17 update will this
fix
appear? At this time, I am planning to wait until the "fix is in" before
upgrading to Version: 17. Of course, this will mean waiting to install
Windows 10; but, it cannot be helped!

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Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Debbie April Yuille
 

I'm not the one who has used chrome. I replied to an email saying that I
looked forward to the chrome tutorial when it comes out.

Debbie
Skype: apparating.girl

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via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, 5 November 2015 9:46 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Kane Brolin <kbrolin65@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Debbie, what version of JAWS have you been using to get your positive
experience with Google Chrome? I had problems with some aspects of
this when I tried to use Chrome with JAWS 15, which is now a couple of
editions old.

Also, ladies and gentlemen, how do you feel about Google Docs and
Google Books? Are things getting more accessible to JAWS users on
these platforms?

I am much indebted to everyone who responds.

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Re: merge utility

Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

Tom, a patition is a good thing but in this case I don't think it will
help. Fs is to in love with money and that is where the change must
come. I promis, if supernova get up to standard as they mostly are
then I will switch. I had enough. There were patitions for other buggs
they never fixed, and I did not here from those people ever that it
was fixed since then. I think ms and fs have some sort of an
agreement, that is why fs going strong and the reason why ms will
never improve narrator. They just give us bits and peaces to to try to
fool us and condition many blind people that ms is really caring about
accessibility. Now as far as jaws features goes, fs is doing the same
thing. If you look at the feature set they did in the last 2 or free
years, its becoming very clear, that only a few things are useful.
Flexable web look nice when you play with it, but really for the money
you pay it don't provide what most people would need. It just help you
to filter what you don't like on a sertin site, and if you visit that
site from another pc or with another screen reader, then you have to
learn the original layout anyway.

On 05/11/2015, Soronel Haetir via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Note that at least in the case of dictionary and script files you
don't actually have to start over, you just have to copy the files
yourself. I don't know if there are enough differences to actually
make that not work for .jcf files or not, I didn't try with those.

On 11/4/15, Adrian Spratt via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be
fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this
is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start
all
over again with the settings they've created over the course of years?
Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

Yes, thanks david, I'm just as excited as you are. I wanted to switch
a long time ago, as its not good at all to use adobe flash anymore
with explorer and firefox sometimes have problems. We all know chrome
is the safest and update by itself and very often, and that is what
you need when it comes to a brouzer. Not like explorer wich updated so
little and wich soon will vannage. I also like the fact that it pops
up a window when it ask you to save your password on a site. It don't
just put a random notification somewhere wich you don't always know if
its there and how to interact with it. once I answered the password
promt it allow to continue. Yes, the single menu thing is a good idea.
And when you open settings for example, it give you a nicely layout in
a form of a web page where you can make ajustments easily.

On 05/11/2015, David Moore via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Hi there,
JAWS 16 and 17 both work great!


-----Original Message-----
From: Kane Brolin via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 5:45 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Kane Brolin
Subject: Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Debbie, what version of JAWS have you been using to get your positive
experience with Google Chrome? I had problems with some aspects of
this when I tried to use Chrome with JAWS 15, which is now a couple of
editions old.

Also, ladies and gentlemen, how do you feel about Google Docs and
Google Books? Are things getting more accessible to JAWS users on
these platforms?

I am much indebted to everyone who responds.

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Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

I totally agree. Thanks for those who support me. I think for most of
us its about time to move and talk with our wallits. I'm strongly
considering to move over to supernova. They don't upgrade every year
for the sake of meeting a stupid skedual, and therefore its cheaper to
upgrade whenever it arrives. Only thing is they stil need to support
some apps better before I can really make that switch.

On 05/11/2015, Curtis Delzer via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
I mean, talk about blowing smoke, that is . . . definitely.
That should always be a property of the new update, to make sure your
personalized settings are integrated, and just because something new
is so different, that only means that the developer must take care of
the customer base so that the differences can be handled by
customized settings which can be applied to the newer version. Talk
about a crock of double talk, "working on it," when if the plan had
been to not include a merge utility, that should have been in the
stage of development from the get go, not "we're working on it," now.
If a setting is so new, then double duh! some kind of utility to
upgrade and update settings should be employed, not thrown into the
discard.
Thinking with their lack of ideas, it seems to me. How about that,
"thinking with their lack of ideas."
That's like saying, when the guy snores next to you as you whack him
him to wake him up,
"hey! hey!" "Wake up and go to sleep."
duh! and double duh! Pure and simple, someone just . . . screwed up,
and there is no denial that can make up for that.



At 08:01 PM 11/4/2015, you wrote:
Well, I'm sorry! FS telling us that they are "working on it" is just not
good enough!

Can you tell that I'm upset?

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Melissa Stott [mailto:mstott69@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 9:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

I agree with Mike. I'm sure that they are working on something.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi All,

There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells about
the
Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This comes
from What's new in Jaws 17.

Merge Utility No Longer Available

Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process.
This
included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these
changes,
the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from
prior
versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future which
will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our
customers.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: merge utility


I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone
on
the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we
might
be able to get enough signitures to make an impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching
semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this point,
and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature
again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and
ease
of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be
fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this
is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start
all
over again with the settings they've created over the course of years?
Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

David Moore
 

Hi there,
JAWS 16 and 17 both work great!

-----Original Message-----
From: Kane Brolin via Jfw Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 5:45 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Kane Brolin Subject: Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Debbie, what version of JAWS have you been using to get your positive
experience with Google Chrome? I had problems with some aspects of
this when I tried to use Chrome with JAWS 15, which is now a couple of
editions old.

Also, ladies and gentlemen, how do you feel about Google Docs and
Google Books? Are things getting more accessible to JAWS users on
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I am much indebted to everyone who responds.

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Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

David Moore
 

Hi there,
Also, I am using Windows 10 now, but It worked great with Windows 8.1 as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Aidan via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 5:55 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Aidan
Subject: Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

16 and above.

On 05/11/2015, Stan Holdeman via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
What versions of jaws and Windows must be running for Chrome to work so
well?

Stan


-----Original Message-----
From: Aidan via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 5:41 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Aidan
Subject: Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

I totally agree with you. I use it as my default brouzer for more than
a week now, and so far know problems. When downloading files its a
little different from explorer but stil very manageable. And the best
brouzer to log into banking websites. The android version is also
super. The only thing I'm very sad about is that supernova don't
support it well yet it seems.

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I look forward to hearing it.

Debbie
Skype: apparating.girl

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, 5 November 2015 8:50 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: David Moore <jesusloves1966@gmail.com>
Subject: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Hi all.
I have been experimenting with Google Chrome Browser, and I have found
that
it is very accessible and easy to use. More than that, I can open the
same
web site in half the time as with IE or Firefox. It never crashes, and it
is
more stable than any other browser. It is the best browser when it comes
to
streaming videos and other media by far. The video never pauses for
example.
In IE, the same video pauses a few times for a few seconds. Also, Google
Chrome is the easiest browser to use. Yes, I am not kidding. Simply press
enter on the browser, and the home page opens. I have mine set to Google
of
course. Now, just press alt and the screen reader will say chrome button.
If
you press down arrow, every setting and menu you will ever need is in
that
one vertical column. The history, delete history, book marks, are all in
that one vertical menu just by pressing the alt key on the home page. All
navigation JAWS short cut keys work in Google Chrome. I have not found
anything yet that is not accessible. Also, every JAWS key command works
in
Chrome just like in IE. You can just press alt + D for the address bar
for
example. I will continue to play around with Google Chrome a little more,
and I will be ready to do an Audio tutorial for you guys. You will not
believe just how much better Google Chrome is over any other browser. You
will hear it with your own ears when I send you the tutorial probably by
Friday. I know some of you will use Chrome as your default browser. God
bless and have a great night. Talk to all of you soon.
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Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

David Moore
 

Hi Aidan,
JAWS 17 works great, you are right about that. Have you noticed how everything you need is under that chrome menu. Help, history, and everything is under there. I am so glad you see this too. Have a great one!

-----Original Message-----
From: Aidan via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 5:50 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Aidan
Subject: Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Hi. I didn't try jaws 15, maybe I should, but 16 and 17 works
wunderfull with it.

On 05/11/2015, Kane Brolin via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Debbie, what version of JAWS have you been using to get your positive
experience with Google Chrome? I had problems with some aspects of
this when I tried to use Chrome with JAWS 15, which is now a couple of
editions old.

Also, ladies and gentlemen, how do you feel about Google Docs and
Google Books? Are things getting more accessible to JAWS users on
these platforms?

I am much indebted to everyone who responds.

-Kane

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Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

16 and above.

On 05/11/2015, Stan Holdeman via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
What versions of jaws and Windows must be running for Chrome to work so
well?

Stan


-----Original Message-----
From: Aidan via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 5:41 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Aidan
Subject: Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

I totally agree with you. I use it as my default brouzer for more than
a week now, and so far know problems. When downloading files its a
little different from explorer but stil very manageable. And the best
brouzer to log into banking websites. The android version is also
super. The only thing I'm very sad about is that supernova don't
support it well yet it seems.

On 05/11/2015, Debbie April Yuille via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
I look forward to hearing it.

Debbie
Skype: apparating.girl

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, 5 November 2015 8:50 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: David Moore <jesusloves1966@gmail.com>
Subject: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Hi all.
I have been experimenting with Google Chrome Browser, and I have found
that
it is very accessible and easy to use. More than that, I can open the
same
web site in half the time as with IE or Firefox. It never crashes, and it
is
more stable than any other browser. It is the best browser when it comes
to
streaming videos and other media by far. The video never pauses for
example.
In IE, the same video pauses a few times for a few seconds. Also, Google
Chrome is the easiest browser to use. Yes, I am not kidding. Simply press
enter on the browser, and the home page opens. I have mine set to Google
of
course. Now, just press alt and the screen reader will say chrome button.
If
you press down arrow, every setting and menu you will ever need is in
that
one vertical column. The history, delete history, book marks, are all in
that one vertical menu just by pressing the alt key on the home page. All
navigation JAWS short cut keys work in Google Chrome. I have not found
anything yet that is not accessible. Also, every JAWS key command works
in
Chrome just like in IE. You can just press alt + D for the address bar
for
example. I will continue to play around with Google Chrome a little more,
and I will be ready to do an Audio tutorial for you guys. You will not
believe just how much better Google Chrome is over any other browser. You
will hear it with your own ears when I send you the tutorial probably by
Friday. I know some of you will use Chrome as your default browser. God
bless and have a great night. Talk to all of you soon.
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Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Stan Holdeman
 

What versions of jaws and Windows must be running for Chrome to work so well?

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: Aidan via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 5:41 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Aidan
Subject: Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

I totally agree with you. I use it as my default brouzer for more than
a week now, and so far know problems. When downloading files its a
little different from explorer but stil very manageable. And the best
brouzer to log into banking websites. The android version is also
super. The only thing I'm very sad about is that supernova don't
support it well yet it seems.

On 05/11/2015, Debbie April Yuille via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
I look forward to hearing it.

Debbie
Skype: apparating.girl

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, 5 November 2015 8:50 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: David Moore <jesusloves1966@gmail.com>
Subject: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Hi all.
I have been experimenting with Google Chrome Browser, and I have found that
it is very accessible and easy to use. More than that, I can open the same
web site in half the time as with IE or Firefox. It never crashes, and it
is
more stable than any other browser. It is the best browser when it comes to
streaming videos and other media by far. The video never pauses for
example.
In IE, the same video pauses a few times for a few seconds. Also, Google
Chrome is the easiest browser to use. Yes, I am not kidding. Simply press
enter on the browser, and the home page opens. I have mine set to Google of
course. Now, just press alt and the screen reader will say chrome button.
If
you press down arrow, every setting and menu you will ever need is in that
one vertical column. The history, delete history, book marks, are all in
that one vertical menu just by pressing the alt key on the home page. All
navigation JAWS short cut keys work in Google Chrome. I have not found
anything yet that is not accessible. Also, every JAWS key command works in
Chrome just like in IE. You can just press alt + D for the address bar for
example. I will continue to play around with Google Chrome a little more,
and I will be ready to do an Audio tutorial for you guys. You will not
believe just how much better Google Chrome is over any other browser. You
will hear it with your own ears when I send you the tutorial probably by
Friday. I know some of you will use Chrome as your default browser. God
bless and have a great night. Talk to all of you soon.
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Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

Hi. I didn't try jaws 15, maybe I should, but 16 and 17 works
wunderfull with it.

On 05/11/2015, Kane Brolin via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Debbie, what version of JAWS have you been using to get your positive
experience with Google Chrome? I had problems with some aspects of
this when I tried to use Chrome with JAWS 15, which is now a couple of
editions old.

Also, ladies and gentlemen, how do you feel about Google Docs and
Google Books? Are things getting more accessible to JAWS users on
these platforms?

I am much indebted to everyone who responds.

-Kane

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