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Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

16 and above.

On 05/11/2015, Stan Holdeman via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
What versions of jaws and Windows must be running for Chrome to work so
well?

Stan


-----Original Message-----
From: Aidan via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 5:41 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Aidan
Subject: Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

I totally agree with you. I use it as my default brouzer for more than
a week now, and so far know problems. When downloading files its a
little different from explorer but stil very manageable. And the best
brouzer to log into banking websites. The android version is also
super. The only thing I'm very sad about is that supernova don't
support it well yet it seems.

On 05/11/2015, Debbie April Yuille via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
I look forward to hearing it.

Debbie
Skype: apparating.girl

-----Original Message-----
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via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, 5 November 2015 8:50 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: David Moore <jesusloves1966@gmail.com>
Subject: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Hi all.
I have been experimenting with Google Chrome Browser, and I have found
that
it is very accessible and easy to use. More than that, I can open the
same
web site in half the time as with IE or Firefox. It never crashes, and it
is
more stable than any other browser. It is the best browser when it comes
to
streaming videos and other media by far. The video never pauses for
example.
In IE, the same video pauses a few times for a few seconds. Also, Google
Chrome is the easiest browser to use. Yes, I am not kidding. Simply press
enter on the browser, and the home page opens. I have mine set to Google
of
course. Now, just press alt and the screen reader will say chrome button.
If
you press down arrow, every setting and menu you will ever need is in
that
one vertical column. The history, delete history, book marks, are all in
that one vertical menu just by pressing the alt key on the home page. All
navigation JAWS short cut keys work in Google Chrome. I have not found
anything yet that is not accessible. Also, every JAWS key command works
in
Chrome just like in IE. You can just press alt + D for the address bar
for
example. I will continue to play around with Google Chrome a little more,
and I will be ready to do an Audio tutorial for you guys. You will not
believe just how much better Google Chrome is over any other browser. You
will hear it with your own ears when I send you the tutorial probably by
Friday. I know some of you will use Chrome as your default browser. God
bless and have a great night. Talk to all of you soon.
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Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Stan Holdeman
 

What versions of jaws and Windows must be running for Chrome to work so well?

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: Aidan via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 5:41 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Aidan
Subject: Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

I totally agree with you. I use it as my default brouzer for more than
a week now, and so far know problems. When downloading files its a
little different from explorer but stil very manageable. And the best
brouzer to log into banking websites. The android version is also
super. The only thing I'm very sad about is that supernova don't
support it well yet it seems.

On 05/11/2015, Debbie April Yuille via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
I look forward to hearing it.

Debbie
Skype: apparating.girl

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, 5 November 2015 8:50 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: David Moore <jesusloves1966@gmail.com>
Subject: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Hi all.
I have been experimenting with Google Chrome Browser, and I have found that
it is very accessible and easy to use. More than that, I can open the same
web site in half the time as with IE or Firefox. It never crashes, and it
is
more stable than any other browser. It is the best browser when it comes to
streaming videos and other media by far. The video never pauses for
example.
In IE, the same video pauses a few times for a few seconds. Also, Google
Chrome is the easiest browser to use. Yes, I am not kidding. Simply press
enter on the browser, and the home page opens. I have mine set to Google of
course. Now, just press alt and the screen reader will say chrome button.
If
you press down arrow, every setting and menu you will ever need is in that
one vertical column. The history, delete history, book marks, are all in
that one vertical menu just by pressing the alt key on the home page. All
navigation JAWS short cut keys work in Google Chrome. I have not found
anything yet that is not accessible. Also, every JAWS key command works in
Chrome just like in IE. You can just press alt + D for the address bar for
example. I will continue to play around with Google Chrome a little more,
and I will be ready to do an Audio tutorial for you guys. You will not
believe just how much better Google Chrome is over any other browser. You
will hear it with your own ears when I send you the tutorial probably by
Friday. I know some of you will use Chrome as your default browser. God
bless and have a great night. Talk to all of you soon.
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Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

Hi. I didn't try jaws 15, maybe I should, but 16 and 17 works
wunderfull with it.

On 05/11/2015, Kane Brolin via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Debbie, what version of JAWS have you been using to get your positive
experience with Google Chrome? I had problems with some aspects of
this when I tried to use Chrome with JAWS 15, which is now a couple of
editions old.

Also, ladies and gentlemen, how do you feel about Google Docs and
Google Books? Are things getting more accessible to JAWS users on
these platforms?

I am much indebted to everyone who responds.

-Kane

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Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Kane Brolin
 

Debbie, what version of JAWS have you been using to get your positive
experience with Google Chrome? I had problems with some aspects of
this when I tried to use Chrome with JAWS 15, which is now a couple of
editions old.

Also, ladies and gentlemen, how do you feel about Google Docs and
Google Books? Are things getting more accessible to JAWS users on
these platforms?

I am much indebted to everyone who responds.

-Kane


Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

I totally agree with you. I use it as my default brouzer for more than
a week now, and so far know problems. When downloading files its a
little different from explorer but stil very manageable. And the best
brouzer to log into banking websites. The android version is also
super. The only thing I'm very sad about is that supernova don't
support it well yet it seems.

On 05/11/2015, Debbie April Yuille via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
I look forward to hearing it.

Debbie
Skype: apparating.girl

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, 5 November 2015 8:50 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: David Moore <jesusloves1966@gmail.com>
Subject: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Hi all.
I have been experimenting with Google Chrome Browser, and I have found that
it is very accessible and easy to use. More than that, I can open the same
web site in half the time as with IE or Firefox. It never crashes, and it
is
more stable than any other browser. It is the best browser when it comes to
streaming videos and other media by far. The video never pauses for
example.
In IE, the same video pauses a few times for a few seconds. Also, Google
Chrome is the easiest browser to use. Yes, I am not kidding. Simply press
enter on the browser, and the home page opens. I have mine set to Google of
course. Now, just press alt and the screen reader will say chrome button.
If
you press down arrow, every setting and menu you will ever need is in that
one vertical column. The history, delete history, book marks, are all in
that one vertical menu just by pressing the alt key on the home page. All
navigation JAWS short cut keys work in Google Chrome. I have not found
anything yet that is not accessible. Also, every JAWS key command works in
Chrome just like in IE. You can just press alt + D for the address bar for
example. I will continue to play around with Google Chrome a little more,
and I will be ready to do an Audio tutorial for you guys. You will not
believe just how much better Google Chrome is over any other browser. You
will hear it with your own ears when I send you the tutorial probably by
Friday. I know some of you will use Chrome as your default browser. God
bless and have a great night. Talk to all of you soon.
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Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Debbie April Yuille
 

I look forward to hearing it.

Debbie
Skype: apparating.girl

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, 5 November 2015 8:50 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: David Moore <jesusloves1966@gmail.com>
Subject: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Hi all.
I have been experimenting with Google Chrome Browser, and I have found that
it is very accessible and easy to use. More than that, I can open the same
web site in half the time as with IE or Firefox. It never crashes, and it is
more stable than any other browser. It is the best browser when it comes to
streaming videos and other media by far. The video never pauses for example.
In IE, the same video pauses a few times for a few seconds. Also, Google
Chrome is the easiest browser to use. Yes, I am not kidding. Simply press
enter on the browser, and the home page opens. I have mine set to Google of
course. Now, just press alt and the screen reader will say chrome button. If
you press down arrow, every setting and menu you will ever need is in that
one vertical column. The history, delete history, book marks, are all in
that one vertical menu just by pressing the alt key on the home page. All
navigation JAWS short cut keys work in Google Chrome. I have not found
anything yet that is not accessible. Also, every JAWS key command works in
Chrome just like in IE. You can just press alt + D for the address bar for
example. I will continue to play around with Google Chrome a little more,
and I will be ready to do an Audio tutorial for you guys. You will not
believe just how much better Google Chrome is over any other browser. You
will hear it with your own ears when I send you the tutorial probably by
Friday. I know some of you will use Chrome as your default browser. God
bless and have a great night. Talk to all of you soon.
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Google Chrome is totally accessible

David Moore
 

Hi all.
I have been experimenting with Google Chrome Browser, and I have found that it is very accessible and easy to use. More than that, I can open the same web site in half the time as with IE or Firefox. It never crashes, and it is more stable than any other browser. It is the best browser when it comes to streaming videos and other media by far. The video never pauses for example. In IE, the same video pauses a few times for a few seconds. Also, Google Chrome is the easiest browser to use. Yes, I am not kidding. Simply press enter on the browser, and the home page opens. I have mine set to Google of course. Now, just press alt and the screen reader will say chrome button. If you press down arrow, every setting and menu you will ever need is in that one vertical column. The history, delete history, book marks, are all in that one vertical menu just by pressing the alt key on the home page. All navigation JAWS short cut keys work in Google Chrome. I have not found anything yet that is not accessible. Also, every JAWS key command works in Chrome just like in IE. You can just press alt + D for the address bar for example. I will continue to play around with Google Chrome a little more, and I will be ready to do an Audio tutorial for you guys. You will not believe just how much better Google Chrome is over any other browser. You will hear it with your own ears when I send you the tutorial probably by Friday. I know some of you will use Chrome as your default browser. God bless and have a great night. Talk to all of you soon.
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Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Curtis Delzer
 

I mean, talk about blowing smoke, that is . . . definitely.
That should always be a property of the new update, to make sure your personalized settings are integrated, and just because something new is so different, that only means that the developer must take care of the customer base so that the differences can be handled by customized settings which can be applied to the newer version. Talk about a crock of double talk, "working on it," when if the plan had been to not include a merge utility, that should have been in the stage of development from the get go, not "we're working on it," now.
If a setting is so new, then double duh! some kind of utility to upgrade and update settings should be employed, not thrown into the discard.
Thinking with their lack of ideas, it seems to me. How about that, "thinking with their lack of ideas."
That's like saying, when the guy snores next to you as you whack him him to wake him up,
"hey! hey!" "Wake up and go to sleep."
duh! and double duh! Pure and simple, someone just . . . screwed up, and there is no denial that can make up for that.



At 08:01 PM 11/4/2015, you wrote:
Well, I'm sorry! FS telling us that they are "working on it" is just not
good enough!

Can you tell that I'm upset?

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Melissa Stott [mailto:mstott69@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 9:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

I agree with Mike. I'm sure that they are working on something.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi All,

There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells about the
Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This comes
from What's new in Jaws 17.

Merge Utility No Longer Available

Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process. This
included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these changes,
the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from prior
versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future which
will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our
customers.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: merge utility


I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone on
the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we might
be able to get enough signitures to make an impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching
semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this point,
and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and ease
of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be
fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start all
over again with the settings they've created over the course of years? Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Re: is there a guide for working in Windows 10?

Curtis Delzer
 

and if you've an issue with that, you can download the entire *.zip full of info which he has so fantastically put together here on SendSpace.
https://www.sendspace.com/file/gwx9x3

At 02:58 PM 11/4/2015, you wrote:
Hi all.
If you enter on the link I sent, it will take you to my drop box page. Go almost to the bottom of the web page and enter on download. That should let you save the entire folder to your computer. Ask if you have anymore questions. Take care.


-----Original Message----- From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 5:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Subject: RE: is there a guide for working in Windows 10?

This looks great. Thanks.

Is there a way to download the folder all at once? If not, it seems there are 3 links with each item. Which link would be used to download that item?

Thanks again, Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 3:52 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: is there a guide for working in Windows 10?

Hi all.
Here is a drop box link to a folder with 24 tutorials concerning how to install win 10 and everything you need to know how to use it and customize it. You will learn about everything there is to know about win 10. Here is the link and you do not need drop box to download this folder. Take care and let me know how this works for you. Here is the link below.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/x0g6lsnu4map1lm/AADalvpAHamNco1OwroiJ7AUa?dl=0

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter tesar via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 8:10 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Peter tesar
Subject: Re: is there a guide for working in Windows 10?

Hello,

The best way is to search the web for Windows 10 and the word "guide" or other words like "basic", "easy" or "beginner".

The web is your best bet and learn to use it. There is a lot of information out there.

Peter T.

On 11/2/2015 6:06 AM, John Gurd via Jfw wrote:
Has anyone come across a gide for Jaws users to be able to quickly
familiarise themselves with Windows 10. I've just upgraded from
Windows 7 and it's taking a while to figure out where everything is.


Thanks


John


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Re: merge utility

Soronel Haetir
 

Note that at least in the case of dictionary and script files you
don't actually have to start over, you just have to copy the files
yourself. I don't know if there are enough differences to actually
make that not work for .jcf files or not, I didn't try with those.

On 11/4/15, Adrian Spratt via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be
fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start all
over again with the settings they've created over the course of years? Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Adrian,

Believe me, I would like to rollover & stick at least 1 of my 4 legs up 1 of
someone's ass at Freedom Scientific but, it seems like, most of the time
anyways, they don't give a rats ass about what we the consumer think & go on
their merry way! I do agree that if people complained in more volume it
might make more of an impact but, if these complaints fall upon deaf ears,
so to speak, complaining won't change anything either, just as it hasn't
changed crap like this in, forever, with FS. I can tell you 1 way of making
1 of the most important people within Fs, Eric Damry, aware of how you feel,
& that is to join another email list, Jaws-Users. Eric Damry is a member of
this list & is a somewhat frequent poster depending on the topic, to the
list. Here is the necessary link to join if interested.

To join:

jaws-users-list-join@jaws-users.com

Click on the link above, put subscribe in the subject line, leave the
message body empty, & send. You'll receive a confirmation email, reply to
it & you should be good to go.

It's not a real high traffic list.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:09 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Mike,

Understood. The temptation to roll over and stick my four legs up in the air
is sometimes strong, but over time I've found that persistence and volume
can prevail. By persistence, I mean one person demanding a fix. By volume, I
mean the more of us who complain, the more pressure FS will be under to fix
it and ensure this kind of fiasco doesn't recur.

I do recall many versions ago that the merge utility cause havoc from one
version to the next. The people at FS remember that event. I also know that
persistence doesn't always work. I've had my own frustrations with FS over
time.

But the merge utility was basic to the transition from version to version,
and most of us JAWS users depended on it. It's bad enough that we must pay
for a SMA every two versions, which FS has ensured means every two years,
but now to go through such inconvenience as well?

As for the lister who proposed a petition, let him produce one. Otherwise,
it's simple enough to write to FS and let our voices be heard. Again, the
address is

support@freedomscientific.com

I admit I don't like being a rabble-rouser, but this really is annoying.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

I agree with you &, I don't find it acceptable either but, what else are we
supposed to do? We can bitch until the cows come home & it won't change the
fact, that Freedom Scientific already knows, they are not keeping up with
their own products. I've complained about various screw-ups for many years,
& when you send them a complaint you only get back an automated kiss ass
email stating how they're working to resolve the problem. It seems to me
that they have a need to stay on some kind of schedule, & that schedule is
to put out a new version of Jaws around November of each year whether it's
ready for consumer consumption or not!
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:46 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Sorry, Mike, but I don't find this statement acceptable. Ease of transition
from version to version is important. FS should have anticipated this
concern and figured out a solution before it became our problem. As I
believe it was Aidan who pointed out, it isn't as if the new features in
JAWS 17 are exactly compelling. There are potential problems involved in
skipping a version, so I still plan to install JAWS 17 one of these days.
Once again, I encourage anyone who feels as I do to contact FS Tech Support
at

support@freedomscientific.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi All,

There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells about the
Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This comes
from What's new in Jaws 17.

Merge Utility No Longer Available

Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process. This
included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these changes,
the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from prior
versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future which
will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our
customers.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: merge utility


I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone on
the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we might
be able to get enough signitures to make an impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching
semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this point,
and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and ease
of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be
fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start all
over again with the settings they've created over the course of years? Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Adrian Spratt
 

Mike,

Understood. The temptation to roll over and stick my four legs up in the air is sometimes strong, but over time I've found that persistence and volume can prevail. By persistence, I mean one person demanding a fix. By volume, I mean the more of us who complain, the more pressure FS will be under to fix it and ensure this kind of fiasco doesn't recur.

I do recall many versions ago that the merge utility cause havoc from one version to the next. The people at FS remember that event. I also know that persistence doesn't always work. I've had my own frustrations with FS over time.

But the merge utility was basic to the transition from version to version, and most of us JAWS users depended on it. It's bad enough that we must pay for a SMA every two versions, which FS has ensured means every two years, but now to go through such inconvenience as well?

As for the lister who proposed a petition, let him produce one. Otherwise, it's simple enough to write to FS and let our voices be heard. Again, the address is

support@freedomscientific.com

I admit I don't like being a rabble-rouser, but this really is annoying.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

I agree with you &, I don't find it acceptable either but, what else are we
supposed to do? We can bitch until the cows come home & it won't change the
fact, that Freedom Scientific already knows, they are not keeping up with
their own products. I've complained about various screw-ups for many years,
& when you send them a complaint you only get back an automated kiss ass
email stating how they're working to resolve the problem. It seems to me
that they have a need to stay on some kind of schedule, & that schedule is
to put out a new version of Jaws around November of each year whether it's
ready for consumer consumption or not!
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:46 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Sorry, Mike, but I don't find this statement acceptable. Ease of transition
from version to version is important. FS should have anticipated this
concern and figured out a solution before it became our problem. As I
believe it was Aidan who pointed out, it isn't as if the new features in
JAWS 17 are exactly compelling. There are potential problems involved in
skipping a version, so I still plan to install JAWS 17 one of these days.
Once again, I encourage anyone who feels as I do to contact FS Tech Support
at

support@freedomscientific.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi All,

There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells about the
Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This comes
from What's new in Jaws 17.

Merge Utility No Longer Available

Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process. This
included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these changes,
the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from prior
versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future which
will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our
customers.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: merge utility


I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone on
the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we might
be able to get enough signitures to make an impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching
semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this point,
and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and ease
of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be
fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start all
over again with the settings they've created over the course of years? Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Jim,

Yes, we can tell but, you are not the only 1! I used to get really pissed
off but, it's become so regular with FS that I just don't let it get to me
any more. Jaws 17 doesn't work for all my needs so, I have it installed
but, I use Jaws 16 as my default & only play with Jaws 17 out of boredom.
I'm sure they will get J17 figured out, probably right before they release
the beta of J18! LOL, hahaha hahaha hahaha, LOL
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Hamilton via Jfw
To: 'Melissa Stott' ; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 8:01 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Well, I'm sorry! FS telling us that they are "working on it" is just not
good enough!

Can you tell that I'm upset?

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Melissa Stott [mailto:mstott69@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 9:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

I agree with Mike. I'm sure that they are working on something.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi All,

There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells about the
Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This comes
from What's new in Jaws 17.

Merge Utility No Longer Available

Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process. This
included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these changes,
the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from prior
versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future which
will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our
customers.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: merge utility


I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone on
the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we might
be able to get enough signitures to make an impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching
semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this point,
and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and ease
of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be
fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start all
over again with the settings they've created over the course of years? Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Adrian,

I agree with you &, I don't find it acceptable either but, what else are we
supposed to do? We can bitch until the cows come home & it won't change the
fact, that Freedom Scientific already knows, they are not keeping up with
their own products. I've complained about various screw-ups for many years,
& when you send them a complaint you only get back an automated kiss ass
email stating how they're working to resolve the problem. It seems to me
that they have a need to stay on some kind of schedule, & that schedule is
to put out a new version of Jaws around November of each year whether it's
ready for consumer consumption or not!
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:46 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Sorry, Mike, but I don't find this statement acceptable. Ease of transition
from version to version is important. FS should have anticipated this
concern and figured out a solution before it became our problem. As I
believe it was Aidan who pointed out, it isn't as if the new features in
JAWS 17 are exactly compelling. There are potential problems involved in
skipping a version, so I still plan to install JAWS 17 one of these days.
Once again, I encourage anyone who feels as I do to contact FS Tech Support
at

support@freedomscientific.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi All,

There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells about the
Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This comes
from What's new in Jaws 17.

Merge Utility No Longer Available

Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process. This
included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these changes,
the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from prior
versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future which
will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our
customers.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: merge utility


I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone on
the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we might
be able to get enough signitures to make an impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching
semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this point,
and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and ease
of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be
fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start all
over again with the settings they've created over the course of years? Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Re: merge utility

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Jim,

Here you go:

Support@FreedomScientific.com


Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Hamilton via Jfw
To: 'Adrian Spratt' ; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:50 PM
Subject: RE: merge utility


It might be useful here to have someone send out the e-mail address that can
be used to express our displeasure with FS tech support. I'm sure that
someone has it!

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be
fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start all
over again with the settings they've created over the course of years? Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Merge Utility - GONE!!!!!!

HAMILTON
 

There seems to be a storm brewing regarding the fact that the Merge Utility
is not part of JAWS V: 17. Why was this problem not worked out before JAWS
17 was released? Clearly, FS knew that previous version settings could not
be "merged" as in previous versions; so, FS should have fixed it before it
became a problem!

Can you tell us in which very early-on JAWS Version: 17 update will this fix
appear? At this time, I am planning to wait until the "fix is in" before
upgrading to Version: 17. Of course, this will mean waiting to install
Windows 10; but, it cannot be helped!

Jim H


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Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

HAMILTON
 

Well, I'm sorry! FS telling us that they are "working on it" is just not
good enough!

Can you tell that I'm upset?

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Melissa Stott [mailto:mstott69@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 9:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

I agree with Mike. I'm sure that they are working on something.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi All,

There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells about the
Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This comes
from What's new in Jaws 17.

Merge Utility No Longer Available

Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process. This
included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these changes,
the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from prior
versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future which
will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our
customers.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: merge utility


I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone on
the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we might
be able to get enough signitures to make an impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching
semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this point,
and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and ease
of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be
fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start all
over again with the settings they've created over the course of years? Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

_______________________________________________
Jfw mailing list
Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
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Trials without God will break you. Trials with God will make you.

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Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

HAMILTON
 

Why was this problem not worked out before JAWS 17 was released? Clearly,
FS knew that previous version settings could not be "merged"; so, they could
have fixed it before it became a problem! Sometimes I wonder which is
worse, MicroSoft or FS!

From this thread, I get the impression that FS is starting to fall behind -
again.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B [mailto:mb69mach1@charter.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 9:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi All,

There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells about the

Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This comes
from What's new in Jaws 17.

Merge Utility No Longer Available

Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process. This
included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these changes,
the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from prior
versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future which
will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our
customers.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: merge utility


I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone on
the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we might
be able to get enough signitures to make an impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching
semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this point,
and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and ease
of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be
fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start all
over again with the settings they've created over the course of years? Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

_______________________________________________
Jfw mailing list
Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Trials without God will break you. Trials with God will make you.

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Re: merge utility

HAMILTON
 

It might be useful here to have someone send out the e-mail address that can
be used to express our displeasure with FS tech support. I'm sure that
someone has it!

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be
fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start all
over again with the settings they've created over the course of years? Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

_______________________________________________
Jfw mailing list
Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
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Trials without God will break you. Trials with God will make you.

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Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Adrian Spratt
 

Sorry, Mike, but I don't find this statement acceptable. Ease of transition from version to version is important. FS should have anticipated this concern and figured out a solution before it became our problem. As I believe it was Aidan who pointed out, it isn't as if the new features in JAWS 17 are exactly compelling. There are potential problems involved in skipping a version, so I still plan to install JAWS 17 one of these days. Once again, I encourage anyone who feels as I do to contact FS Tech Support at

support@freedomscientific.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi All,

There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells about the
Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This comes
from What's new in Jaws 17.

Merge Utility No Longer Available

Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process. This
included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these changes,
the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from prior
versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future which
will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our
customers.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: merge utility


I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone on
the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we might
be able to get enough signitures to make an impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching
semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this point,
and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and ease
of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be
fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start all
over again with the settings they've created over the course of years? Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

_______________________________________________
Jfw mailing list
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