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Re: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Londa Peterson
 

I've had this same experience with JAWS in demo mode. A restart will reset
the clock on the demo. By the way, does disabling fast start have any effect
on a laptop's battery? I find that I'll shut my computer down and unplug it
to take it somewhere, and when I get there I find that the battery has
drained-sometimes quite significantly. Would disabling fast start fix this?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 2:51 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Michal Nowicki
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Fast Startup should also be disabled if you are running JAWS (or any FS
products) in 40 minute demo mode because the system must shut down
completely in order for the clock in the demo software to reset. I found
this out the hard way when I purchased my laptop running Windows 8 and had
to temporarily use the JAWS demo before activating the software.

Now that I am using the paid release, though, I personally would never
disable fast startup because, as the name implies, my computer boots up much
faster than it would after a full shut down.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 12:48 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hi Daniel,
Unfortunately, this isn't available on Windows 7, as Hybrid Boot was
introduced with Windows 8.x.
Regarding having Fast Startup on or off: it depends on your needs. You
should not use Fast Startup if:
* You are using multi-boot setup - other operating systems besides Windows
8.x/10 installed. This is more so on MACBooks and other computers.
* You are doing frequent hardware upgrades. If you do enable Fast Startup,
it'll not recognize new hardware, as Windows will think it is running on the
old hardware.
* Your disk space is precious. Hybrid Boot (Fast Startup) will use some disk
space (just enough for Windows system components to hibernate).
You might try using Fast Startup if:
* You need your computer to boot in seconds. Reports claim Windows 8 boots
in as little as seven seconds with Fast Startup turned on.
* Your computer uses UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface; to find
out, from Windows 8.x and later, from Start, type System Information).
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:50 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Mark:

How does one do this in Windows 7?

Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:57 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Mark
Subject: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hello Everyone,

Joe is quite correct. I did use the incorrect term to describe how to truly
shut down a computer.

I should never compose emails after 11:00pm (smile).

Below you will find the steps as previously posted but with the correct
terminology. I apologize for any confusion I may have caused.

By the way, as to the question of should one disable the Fast-Startup
feature; the only reason this topic got on-list was because someone asked
why Jaws kept announcing itself when she/he shut down the PC.

The following steps will work in both Windows 10 and Windows 8.x in order to
disable the Fast-startup option. Doing this will allow your computer to
truly be shut-down as it was in Windows 7 and earlier.

To disable Fast-startup, do the following:

1.
Access Windows 10 Power Options. This can easily be achieved using several
methods:
a.
Right click in the lower left corner of the screen (or simultaneously press
the Windows + X keys). This will bring up an 'Admin' menu. Simply select
Power Options from that menu.
b.
From within the Desktop; navigate to Control Panel>Power Options.
Or c.
From within the Start Screen; type "power", click on Settings, and select
Power Options from the list of results:

2.
In the 'Power Options' window; click on Choose what the power buttons do
(from the left hand panel):

3.
In the new window; click on Change settings that are currently unavailable:

4.
Uncheck Fast-startup.

That's all there is to it.

Enjoy,

Mark


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Learning JAWS scripting

Paul Martz <skewmatrix@...>
 

Hi all. A few days ago, there was some discussion on learning JAWS
scripting. I've started learning it myself, and wanted to post some
thoughts.

First, I've decided to blog about JSL as I learn it. My blog page is here:
https://skewmatrix.wordpress.com/ . No advertisements or popups, just
straight information about JSL whenever I learn something interesting. The
"JSL #1" post enumerates the available JAWS Scripting Language resources
that I've found. Please post comments if you know of other resources.

Second, I'm toying with the idea of starting an online book project about
JSL, for example at wikibooks.com. The advantage of putting this book online
as a wikibook is that the information would be much more likely to stay
up-to-date and relevant; people could immediately correct any typos or
mistakes; and of course the book would be free to all and readily available
online. I have written technical books in the past, so this wouldn't be too
much of a stretch for me. (I just need to learn it first. Ha ha.)

The question is: In light of the wonderful documentation from Freedom
Scientific that is already available, what kind of content would I / we need
to provide in this new online resource in order to make it worthwhile? What
would you like to know about JSL that you can't already learn from the FS
docs? Would we want something like a brief overview of JAWS scripting? Or
maybe a "quick start guide" to get you up and running with the basics? Or
possibly a "scripting gems" kind of book, with several examples of JAWS
scripts? Or a language reference? Or all of the above? Of course, "we don't
need this, the FS docs are fine" is also an acceptable response.

Any thoughts or comments... Thanks...
-Paul


Re: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@...>
 

Fast Startup should also be disabled if you are running JAWS (or any FS
products) in 40 minute demo mode because the system must shut down
completely in order for the clock in the demo software to reset. I found
this out the hard way when I purchased my laptop running Windows 8 and had
to temporarily use the JAWS demo before activating the software.

Now that I am using the paid release, though, I personally would never
disable fast startup because, as the name implies, my computer boots up much
faster than it would after a full shut down.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 12:48 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hi Daniel,
Unfortunately, this isn't available on Windows 7, as Hybrid Boot was
introduced with Windows 8.x.
Regarding having Fast Startup on or off: it depends on your needs. You
should not use Fast Startup if:
* You are using multi-boot setup - other operating systems besides Windows
8.x/10 installed. This is more so on MACBooks and other computers.
* You are doing frequent hardware upgrades. If you do enable Fast Startup,
it'll not recognize new hardware, as Windows will think it is running on the
old hardware.
* Your disk space is precious. Hybrid Boot (Fast Startup) will use some disk
space (just enough for Windows system components to hibernate).
You might try using Fast Startup if:
* You need your computer to boot in seconds. Reports claim Windows 8 boots
in as little as seven seconds with Fast Startup turned on.
* Your computer uses UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface; to find
out, from Windows 8.x and later, from Start, type System Information).
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:50 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Mark:

How does one do this in Windows 7?

Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:57 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Mark
Subject: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hello Everyone,

Joe is quite correct. I did use the incorrect term to describe how to truly
shut down a computer.

I should never compose emails after 11:00pm (smile).

Below you will find the steps as previously posted but with the correct
terminology. I apologize for any confusion I may have caused.

By the way, as to the question of should one disable the Fast-Startup
feature; the only reason this topic got on-list was because someone asked
why Jaws kept announcing itself when she/he shut down the PC.

The following steps will work in both Windows 10 and Windows 8.x in order to
disable the Fast-startup option. Doing this will allow your computer to
truly be shut-down as it was in Windows 7 and earlier.

To disable Fast-startup, do the following:

1.
Access Windows 10 Power Options. This can easily be achieved using several
methods:
a.
Right click in the lower left corner of the screen (or simultaneously press
the Windows + X keys). This will bring up an 'Admin' menu. Simply select
Power Options from that menu.
b.
From within the Desktop; navigate to Control Panel>Power Options.
Or c.
From within the Start Screen; type "power", click on Settings, and select
Power Options from the list of results:

2.
In the 'Power Options' window; click on Choose what the power buttons do
(from the left hand panel):

3.
In the new window; click on Change settings that are currently unavailable:

4.
Uncheck Fast-startup.

That's all there is to it.

Enjoy,

Mark


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Re: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
 

Ditto

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: August-12-15 11:22 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hi Joeseph,

I really appreciate some of the more technical info you offer to the list!

Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

Cheers,

Russell

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 11:48 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hi Daniel,
Unfortunately, this isn't available on Windows 7, as Hybrid Boot was
introduced with Windows 8.x.
Regarding having Fast Startup on or off: it depends on your needs. You
should not use Fast Startup if:
* You are using multi-boot setup - other operating systems besides Windows
8.x/10 installed. This is more so on MACBooks and other computers.
* You are doing frequent hardware upgrades. If you do enable Fast Startup,
it'll not recognize new hardware, as Windows will think it is running on the
old hardware.
* Your disk space is precious. Hybrid Boot (Fast Startup) will use some disk
space (just enough for Windows system components to hibernate).
You might try using Fast Startup if:
* You need your computer to boot in seconds. Reports claim Windows 8 boots
in as little as seven seconds with Fast Startup turned on.
* Your computer uses UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface; to find
out, from Windows 8.x and later, from Start, type System Information).
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:50 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Mark:

How does one do this in Windows 7?

Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:57 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Mark
Subject: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hello Everyone,

Joe is quite correct. I did use the incorrect term to describe how to truly
shut down a computer.

I should never compose emails after 11:00pm (smile).

Below you will find the steps as previously posted but with the correct
terminology. I apologize for any confusion I may have caused.

By the way, as to the question of should one disable the Fast-Startup
feature; the only reason this topic got on-list was because someone asked
why Jaws kept announcing itself when she/he shut down the PC.

The following steps will work in both Windows 10 and Windows 8.x in order to
disable the Fast-startup option. Doing this will allow your computer to
truly be shut-down as it was in Windows 7 and earlier.

To disable Fast-startup, do the following:

1.
Access Windows 10 Power Options. This can easily be achieved using several
methods:
a.
Right click in the lower left corner of the screen (or simultaneously press
the Windows + X keys). This will bring up an 'Admin' menu. Simply select
Power Options from that menu.
b.
From within the Desktop; navigate to Control Panel>Power Options.
Or c.
From within the Start Screen; type "power", click on Settings, and select
Power Options from the list of results:

2.
In the 'Power Options' window; click on Choose what the power buttons do
(from the left hand panel):

3.
In the new window; click on Change settings that are currently unavailable:

4.
Uncheck Fast-startup.

That's all there is to it.

Enjoy,

Mark


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Re: JAWS REPEATING

Paul Martz <skewmatrix@...>
 

As others have noted, I think the repetitive title reading is within the
realm of acceptable behavior and probably not a bug.

Honestly, I can't recall the last time I visited a web page and actually
wanted it to read the whole page top to bottom. When I land on a page, I
pretty much immediately start tabbing through the links, H through the
headings, or E to jump to an edit box. Any such key press causes JAWS to
immediately stop reading the title. You could also hit CONTROL of course.

I hope that helps.
-Paul

-----Original Message-----
I have had the same irritating experience.
Anyone else?

-----Original Message-----
Running latest jaws.
When I go to a web page, jaws speaks 3 times the beginning.

Why and is there a fix?

Thank you for saving my hearing!
Mark


Re: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Hi Joeseph,

I really appreciate some of the more technical info you offer to the list!

Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

Cheers,

Russell

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 11:48 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hi Daniel,
Unfortunately, this isn't available on Windows 7, as Hybrid Boot was
introduced with Windows 8.x.
Regarding having Fast Startup on or off: it depends on your needs. You
should not use Fast Startup if:
* You are using multi-boot setup - other operating systems besides Windows
8.x/10 installed. This is more so on MACBooks and other computers.
* You are doing frequent hardware upgrades. If you do enable Fast Startup,
it'll not recognize new hardware, as Windows will think it is running on the
old hardware.
* Your disk space is precious. Hybrid Boot (Fast Startup) will use some disk
space (just enough for Windows system components to hibernate).
You might try using Fast Startup if:
* You need your computer to boot in seconds. Reports claim Windows 8 boots
in as little as seven seconds with Fast Startup turned on.
* Your computer uses UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface; to find
out, from Windows 8.x and later, from Start, type System Information).
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:50 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Mark:

How does one do this in Windows 7?

Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:57 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Mark
Subject: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hello Everyone,

Joe is quite correct. I did use the incorrect term to describe how to truly
shut down a computer.

I should never compose emails after 11:00pm (smile).

Below you will find the steps as previously posted but with the correct
terminology. I apologize for any confusion I may have caused.

By the way, as to the question of should one disable the Fast-Startup
feature; the only reason this topic got on-list was because someone asked
why Jaws kept announcing itself when she/he shut down the PC.

The following steps will work in both Windows 10 and Windows 8.x in order to
disable the Fast-startup option. Doing this will allow your computer to
truly be shut-down as it was in Windows 7 and earlier.

To disable Fast-startup, do the following:

1.
Access Windows 10 Power Options. This can easily be achieved using several
methods:
a.
Right click in the lower left corner of the screen (or simultaneously press
the Windows + X keys). This will bring up an 'Admin' menu. Simply select
Power Options from that menu.
b.
From within the Desktop; navigate to Control Panel>Power Options.
Or c.
From within the Start Screen; type "power", click on Settings, and select
Power Options from the list of results:

2.
In the 'Power Options' window; click on Choose what the power buttons do
(from the left hand panel):

3.
In the new window; click on Change settings that are currently unavailable:

4.
Uncheck Fast-startup.

That's all there is to it.

Enjoy,

Mark


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Re: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

 

Hi Daniel,
Unfortunately, this isn't available on Windows 7, as Hybrid Boot was
introduced with Windows 8.x.
Regarding having Fast Startup on or off: it depends on your needs. You
should not use Fast Startup if:
* You are using multi-boot setup - other operating systems besides Windows
8.x/10 installed. This is more so on MACBooks and other computers.
* You are doing frequent hardware upgrades. If you do enable Fast Startup,
it'll not recognize new hardware, as Windows will think it is running on the
old hardware.
* Your disk space is precious. Hybrid Boot (Fast Startup) will use some disk
space (just enough for Windows system components to hibernate).
You might try using Fast Startup if:
* You need your computer to boot in seconds. Reports claim Windows 8 boots
in as little as seven seconds with Fast Startup turned on.
* Your computer uses UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface; to find
out, from Windows 8.x and later, from Start, type System Information).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:50 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: RE: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Mark:

How does one do this in Windows 7?

Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:57 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Mark
Subject: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hello Everyone,

Joe is quite correct. I did use the incorrect term to describe how to truly
shut down a computer.

I should never compose emails after 11:00pm (smile).

Below you will find the steps as previously posted but with the correct
terminology. I apologize for any confusion I may have caused.

By the way, as to the question of should one disable the Fast-Startup
feature; the only reason this topic got on-list was because someone asked
why Jaws kept announcing itself when she/he shut down the PC.

The following steps will work in both Windows 10 and Windows 8.x in order to
disable the Fast-startup option. Doing this will allow your computer to
truly be shut-down as it was in Windows 7 and earlier.

To disable Fast-startup, do the following:

1.
Access Windows 10 Power Options. This can easily be achieved using several
methods:
a.
Right click in the lower left corner of the screen (or simultaneously press
the Windows + X keys). This will bring up an 'Admin' menu. Simply select
Power Options from that menu.
b.
From within the Desktop; navigate to Control Panel>Power Options.
Or c.
From within the Start Screen; type "power", click on Settings, and select
Power Options from the list of results:

2.
In the 'Power Options' window; click on Choose what the power buttons do
(from the left hand panel):

3.
In the new window; click on Change settings that are currently unavailable:

4.
Uncheck Fast-startup.

That's all there is to it.

Enjoy,

Mark


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Re: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Daniel McBride
 

Mark:

How does one do this in Windows 7?

Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:57 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Mark
Subject: Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8
Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hello Everyone,

Joe is quite correct. I did use the incorrect term to describe how to truly
shut down a computer.

I should never compose emails after 11:00pm (smile).

Below you will find the steps as previously posted but with the correct
terminology. I apologize for any confusion I may have caused.

By the way, as to the question of should one disable the Fast-Startup
feature; the only reason this topic got on-list was because someone asked
why Jaws kept announcing itself when she/he shut down the PC.

The following steps will work in both Windows 10 and Windows 8.x in order to
disable the Fast-startup option. Doing this will allow your computer to
truly be shut-down as it was in Windows 7 and earlier.

To disable Fast-startup, do the following:

1.
Access Windows 10 Power Options. This can easily be achieved using several
methods:
a.
Right click in the lower left corner of the screen (or simultaneously press
the Windows + X keys). This will bring up an 'Admin' menu. Simply select
Power Options from that menu.
b.
From within the Desktop; navigate to Control Panel>Power Options.
Or c.
From within the Start Screen; type "power", click on Settings, and select
Power Options from the list of results:

2.
In the 'Power Options' window; click on Choose what the power buttons do
(from the left hand panel):

3.
In the new window; click on Change settings that are currently unavailable:

4.
Uncheck Fast-startup.

That's all there is to it.

Enjoy,

Mark


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Re: JAWS REPEATING

Adrian Spratt
 

I'm finding webpages load much faster now that I've given up on the automatic setting in forms mode and reverted to "Manual." It seems JAWS added several seconds to the loading process, and a lot more verbiage, as it figured out where to land on a forms field. Curiously, even with the "manual" setting, in many cases JAWS still takes me right to the field I want, and all I need do is press enter.

For anyone interested, these forms mode settings are in the JAWS key+v quick settings dialog.

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Subject: RE: JAWS REPEATING

I don't know if this is in all cases but I have observed that web pages often load from different sources. Each time a load from one of the sources completes the title is announced causing jaws to repeat the title several times depending on how many sources the page is being loaded from. As an example you go to a page with some standard text but has an advertisement loading from a different source, this will cause jaws to announce the title when the page is loaded and again when the ad is loaded.
Regards
Tom Bisset
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I have had the same irritating experience.
Anyone else?



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Running latest jaws.
When I go to a web page, jaws speaks 3 times the beginning.

Why and is there a fix?

Thank you for saving my hearing!
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Correction: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Mark <facebookmark@...>
 

Hello Everyone,

Joe is quite correct. I did use the incorrect term to describe how to truly
shut down a computer.

I should never compose emails after 11:00pm (smile).

Below you will find the steps as previously posted but with the correct
terminology. I apologize for any confusion I may have caused.

By the way, as to the question of should one disable the Fast-Startup
feature; the only reason this topic got on-list was because someone asked
why Jaws kept announcing itself when she/he shut down the PC.

The following steps will work in both Windows 10 and Windows 8.x in order to
disable the Fast-startup option. Doing this will allow your computer to
truly be shut-down as it was in Windows 7 and earlier.

To disable Fast-startup, do the following:

1.
Access Windows 10 Power Options. This can easily be achieved using several
methods:
a.
Right click in the lower left corner of the screen (or simultaneously press
the Windows + X keys). This will bring up an 'Admin' menu. Simply select
Power Options from that menu.
b.
From within the Desktop; navigate to Control Panel>Power Options.
Or c.
From within the Start Screen; type "power", click on Settings, and select
Power Options from the list of results:

2.
In the 'Power Options' window; click on Choose what the power buttons do
(from the left hand panel):

3.
In the new window; click on Change settings that are currently unavailable:

4.
Uncheck Fast-startup.

That's all there is to it.

Enjoy,

Mark


Re: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

I was wondering the exact same thing.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:02 AM
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Cc: Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

More to the point, given that fast shutdown still results in a system that is drawing no power (unlike a sleeping system which is still maintaining ram coherence) what exactly do you see as the downside to using it?

On 8/12/15, Mark Furness via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
I followed your steps and I could not find “fast user switching.

Mark
On Aug 12, 2015, at 3:23 AM, Mark via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Hello Everyone,

The following steps will work in both Windows 10 and Windows 8.x in
order to disable the Fast-User switching option. Doing this will
allow your computer to truly be shut-down as it was in Windows 7 and
earlier.

To disable Fast-User Switching, do the following:

1.
Access Windows 10 Power Options. This can easily be achieved using
several
methods:
a.
Right click in the lower left corner of the screen (or simultaneously
press the Windows + X keys). This will bring up an 'Admin' menu.
Simply select Power Options from that menu.
b.
From within the Desktop; navigate to Control Panel>Power Options.
Or c.
From within the Start Screen; type "power", click on Settings, and
select Power Options from the list of results:

2.
In the 'Power Options' window; click on Choose what the power buttons
do (from the left hand panel):

3.
In the new window; click on Change settings that are currently
unavailable:

4.
Uncheck Fast user switching.

That's all there is to it.

Enjoy,

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Re: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Daniel McBride
 

Joe:

Do you recommend having fast start up on or off?

Dan

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Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:07 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Joseph Lee
Subject: RE: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown
Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hi Debbie and list:
That's because Mark might have been confused in terminology: it's actually
called Fast Startup. Let me explain what it truly does (a bit technical
here, but will try to boil this down a bit):
When Windows boots, it needs to read in needed data one at a time in
multiple phases. First, whether you are booting into Safe Mode is
determined, then Windows kernel (the heart of the operating system), called
NTOSKrnl.exe (Windows NT Operating System Kernel) determines type of CPU,
amount of RAM, devices present and so on. Once the kernel is ready, it'll
ask the video card to display the Windows logo on screen, then other parts
of Windows responsible for loading user profiles will display a login prompt
(if configured to do so), and if the user successfully logs in, Windows will
start programs that will start automatically (including JAWS) and apply user
settings (this is collectively called a "session", and there is a subsystem
in Windows (called Session Manager Subsystem or SMSS.exe) that manages this;
when you use Windows, at least two sessions become active: session 0
(services) and session N (where N is the currently logged in user).
During shutdown, Windows will first close programs you were using, and if an
app does not respond, it'll pop up a dialog saying one or more apps are not
responding and ask if you wish to shutdown anyway (you may get this prompt
from time to time). Once the user logs off, Windows will terminate services
(including JAWS if told to run as a service), save user settings (including
registry changes) and turn your computer off completely. This is a full
startup/shutdown cycle.
As opposed to the above cycle, Microsoft has found a way to just turn off
user session (Windows 8.0 and later). When the computer shuts down, if Fast
Startup (technically called Hybrid Boot) is in use, Windows will log off the
user (save profiles, close programs, etc.), then the system services will
enter hibernation (where current physical memory content is stored on a
disk). Next time the computer boots, Windows system services will resume
from where they have left off, then users will be prompted to log in. This
is useful on newer computers which uses a newer firmware type called Unified
Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI), as the boot process is simpler than
older BIOS (Basic Input/Output System) firmware (I'll not go into details on
how these firmware boots, as this is too off topic here; ask me offlist) or
those using SSD's (Solid State Drives).
The reason why you hear "JAWS for Windows" when you turn off your computer
is because you have Fast Startup (or Hybrid Boot) turned on. To change this
behavior, follow Mark's instructions, but look for Fast Startup instead.
Hybrid Boot should not be confused with Fast User Switching (Windows XP and
later): Fast User Switching lets someone else log into your computer via a
different user account (provided there are multiple user accounts) without
stopping programs you were using (you'll be logged off first). On PC's
(client Windows versions), only one user can use the computer at a time, but
on server systems, multiple users can log in simultaneously (this includes
Remote Desktop accounts).
References:
Full startup/shutdown sequence:
* Ionescu, Alex, Solomon, David A., Russinovich, Mark E. Windows Internals,
Sixth Edition Part 2 (Windows 7), Microsoft Press, 2012.
Hybrid Boot:
* Sinofsky, Steven. Delivering fast boot times in Windows 8, MSDN Building
Windows 8 blog, September 8, 2011. URL:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/09/08/delivering-fast-boot-times-in-
windows-8.aspx
* Woods, Ben. Windows 8 'hybrid' mode brings faster boot, ZDNet, September
9, 2011. URL:
http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-8-hybrid-mode-brings-faster-boot/
* Shultz, Greg. How Windows 8 Hybrid Shutdown / Fast Boot feature works,
TechRepublic, October 24, 2013. URL:
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/windows-and-office/how-windows-8-hybrid-shu
tdown-fast-boot-feature-works/
UEFI boot process:
* UEFI boot: how does that actually work, then (Adam W), January 25, 2014.
URL:
https://www.happyassassin.net/2014/01/25/uefi-boot-how-does-that-actually-wo
rk-then/
Windows sessions:
* Hameed, C. Sessions, Desktops and Windows Stations, Ask the Performance
Team, TechNet, July 24, 2007. URL:
http://blogs.technet.com/b/askperf/archive/2007/07/24/sessions-desktops-and-
windows-stations.aspx
Although these references refer to old Windows releases (Windows Vista, 7
and 8.x), it applies to Windows 10, and some of these are quite technical.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Joseph



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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Debbie April
Yuille via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 1:13 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Debbie April Yuille
Subject: RE: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown
Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hi Mark

I've followed your steps, but I don't see an option to disable fast user
switching. I do however see an option to turn off fast start up though.

Thanks
Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, 12 August 2015 5:23 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Mark <facebookmark@candleshoreblog.com>
Subject: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown Menu
To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hello Everyone,

The following steps will work in both Windows 10 and Windows 8.x in order to
disable the Fast-User switching option. Doing this will allow your computer
to truly be shut-down as it was in Windows 7 and earlier.

To disable Fast-User Switching, do the following:

1.
Access Windows 10 Power Options. This can easily be achieved using several
methods:
a.
Right click in the lower left corner of the screen (or simultaneously press
the Windows + X keys). This will bring up an 'Admin' menu. Simply select
Power Options from that menu.
b.
From within the Desktop; navigate to Control Panel>Power Options.
Or c.
From within the Start Screen; type "power", click on Settings, and select
Power Options from the list of results:

2.
In the 'Power Options' window; click on Choose what the power buttons do
(from the left hand panel):

3.
In the new window; click on Change settings that are currently unavailable:

4.
Uncheck Fast user switching.

That's all there is to it.

Enjoy,

Mark


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Re: shutting down.....

Daniel McBride
 

Mark:

I believe it is normal. That has been occurring since I started using JAWS
when I shut down. I started in 2002 with JAWS 4 and am currently on JAWS 14.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:27 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: Re: shutting down.....

It does that with Windows 8.1 as well.


Sent from Jim's iPhone


On Aug 11, 2015, at 4:27 PM, Carolyn Arnold via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Mine does that too and no musical sound coming or going.

Best from,

Carolyn


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Furness via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 3:58 PM
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Cc: Mark Furness <flintman57@gmail.com>
Subject: shutting down.....

When I shut down my windows10 computer The last thing it says is Jaws
for windows: is this normal?

Mark

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Re: JAWS REPEATING

Bissett, Tom <tom.bissett@...>
 

I don't know if this is in all cases but I have observed that web pages often load from different sources. Each time a load from one of the sources completes the title is announced causing jaws to repeat the title several times depending on how many sources the page is being loaded from. As an example you go to a page with some standard text but has an advertisement loading from a different source, this will cause jaws to announce the title when the page is loaded and again when the ad is loaded.
Regards
Tom Bisset

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of DALE HELTZER via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:35 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: DALE HELTZER
Subject: RE: JAWS REPEATING

I have had the same irritating experience.
Anyone else?



Dale E. Heltzer
deheltzer@msn.com

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Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 12:59 PM
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Cc: Mark Furness
Subject: JAWS REPEATING

Running latest jaws.
When I go to a web page, jaws speaks 3 times the beginning.

Why and is there a fix?

Thank you for saving my hearing!
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Re: JAWS REPEATING

Dale Heltzer
 

I have had the same irritating experience.
Anyone else?



Dale E. Heltzer
deheltzer@msn.com

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Emerson via Howard Ashby Kranz

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via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 12:59 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mark Furness
Subject: JAWS REPEATING

Running latest jaws.
When I go to a web page, jaws speaks 3 times the beginning.

Why and is there a fix?

Thank you for saving my hearing!
Mark

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Re: How To Stop Windows 10 from Sharing Your Bandwidth With Others Without Your Permission

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Well, I've been at it for a little over 70 years, so Braille I can do. It is
easier for me to have computer instructions in Braille, so that I can go
through a process step by step LOL.

Best from,

Carolyn

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimsan via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 3:14 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Kimsan <kimsansong@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: How To Stop Windows 10 from Sharing Your Bandwidth With Others
Without Your Permission

Wow!
You wrote all of that in braille?
I'm not one to brag, but I'm slow at braille writing.
,

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via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 3:45 PM
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Subject: RE: How To Stop Windows 10 from Sharing Your Bandwidth With Others
Without Your Permission

Mark, this information is brailled and in my notebook, so that I can follow
your instructions to the T. Thanks.

Best from,

Carolyn


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Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 5:19 PM
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Cc: Mark <facebookmark@candleshoreblog.com>
Subject: How To Stop Windows 10 from Sharing Your Bandwidth With Others
Without Your Permission

Hello My Fellow Windows 10 Users,

You know, I was becoming less and less enthusiastic about Windows 10 as it
does so many things, in terms of sharing our personal information, and now,
it seems, even our band-width without our expressed permission, until I
discovered how to control it's somewhat hidden options.

Please read the following, carefully, to discover how to disable this, in my
opinion, very unwelcomed feature.

Mark

How to Disable Windows 10 Update Delivery Optimization (WUDO)

By default, Windows 10 is using your bandwidth by way of a new 'feature'
called Windows Update Delivery Optimization (WUDO). In a nutshell, Windows
10 is uploading files in the background to other Windows 10 users. This
brief guide will explain how to disable the Windows Update Delivery
Optimization service.

1.
Click the Windows 10 "Start Button" and select Settings

2.
Select Update & security from the Settings menu.

3.
Click Advanced options

4.
Click Choose how updates are delivered

5.
Finally, toggle Updates from more than one place to Off

6.
All done!


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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Pablo Morales
 

Well guys,
I have tried windows 10 and jaws 16 in 3 different computers. One on a old
computer from the Precambrian, the second a Dell i7, with 8GB ram, and the
third a Lenovo desktop with an i7 with 8 GB of ram also.
I have found several problems with jaws. Some times when I press insert f10,
to get the list of windows opened, jaws reads information no updated, other
times jaws reads things that were on the screen before, like dialogs or
messages, but those dialogs or messages are already close when it happen.
Some times on the log in screen, jaws reads default window, and nothing
else, if I press insert tab, jaws reads again, default window, but I have no
way to know where is the Pc cursor. I have to press tab several times until
jaws catch the Pc cursor again. Sometimes alt tab doesn't work very well,
and I have repaired jaws in all these computers.
Conclusion, I uninstalled windows 10 in my all 3 computers, and I will not
try to install windows 10 again, until news releases of windows or jaws
appear.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 1:17 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Dave:

You have more patience than I. If JAWS does not return within a minute or
so, I do a (you should excuse the expression) blind shutdown of JAWS, go to
the DESKTOP, where I have already placed the focus, and reopened JAWS. Mind
you, if a good pair of eyes is ready/willing/able, not to mention actually
present, I am not shy about asking for help in case something is going on -
un related to JAWS.

However, when no "eyes" are around, it feels like the world has been shut
off; so, I know what you mean by waiting for nothing. I usually try to find
something else to do.

Jim H

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via Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 2:02 PM
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Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Jim,

Pretty much hit-or-miss. It would depend on the Operating System + Video
Device Driver + JAWS Version + Program Version + Unknown Gremlins.

Very hard to duplicate symptoms with so many variables. I do know that JAWS
16 tendency to close and reopen without any warning is a bit of a thorn in
my side. There are times when it won't come back at all, and I'm sitting
there with my hands poised, waiting for nothing.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

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Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 10:43 AM
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Dave:

Very enlightening! For some reason, I never got around to, nor frankly
considered, uninstalling previous versions of JAWS, and this may have proven
to be "far-sighted" after all. I think that I may adopt your 3 most-recent
version strategy myself. However, once someone moves to Windows 10,
previous JAWS versions will not work - from what I gather.

However, it may be a while before I upgrade to Windows 10. So, for now, are
there some applications that typically misbehave with the latest JAWS
offering? Or, as with many things, it is pretty much a hit or miss
situation?

Thanks.

Jim H

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Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Jim,

As to previous versions -- simply because the current install is running
fine, it does not mean that it will run so with all applications. I
occasionally run JAWS 15 when JAWS 16 is misbehaving in a particular
program. I delete versions older than 3 major revisions back, just to keep
things simpler. And I still have all the executables for last revisions of
all major versions going back to 3.5. Of course that's just my
anal-retentive nature at work, having sufficient hard disk space to justify
that level of insanity.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

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Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 09:30 AM
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Don't mean to be "smart"; but, why would you want to use previous versions
of JAWS if you have the latest version running successfully. I'm sure that
there is a really good reason for it! :) :)

Jim H

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via Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 11:19 AM
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Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What I lose is the ability to use previous versions of JAWS.


On 8/9/2015 8:21 PM, Gary King via Jfw wrote:
The free feed is to lure the deer into the killing ground. I don't
think the free Windows 10 upgrade offer is quite that sinister
though. Just good old Microsoft's way of trying to keep it's dominant
position.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
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Cc: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:06 AM
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Are you saying Win10 smells? Hard to make out the meaning of this,
um, adage.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel
McBride via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:05 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

As I pointed out earlier, a deer gets free feed at his local deer stand
feeder.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers
to the
end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time? I'm
waiting
for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) and FS's first
rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within the year.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill
White via
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Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade,
Windows10 won't be free anymore.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and
I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program;
you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that
now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can
see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows
7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should
cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, "If it
ain't broke, don't fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to
know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in
mall?
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Re: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Soronel Haetir
 

More to the point, given that fast shutdown still results in a system
that is drawing no power (unlike a sleeping system which is still
maintaining ram coherence) what exactly do you see as the downside to
using it?

On 8/12/15, Mark Furness via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
I followed your steps and I could not find “fast user switching.

Mark
On Aug 12, 2015, at 3:23 AM, Mark via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Hello Everyone,

The following steps will work in both Windows 10 and Windows 8.x in order
to
disable the Fast-User switching option. Doing this will allow your
computer
to truly be shut-down as it was in Windows 7 and earlier.

To disable Fast-User Switching, do the following:

1.
Access Windows 10 Power Options. This can easily be achieved using several
methods:
a.
Right click in the lower left corner of the screen (or simultaneously
press
the Windows + X keys). This will bring up an 'Admin' menu. Simply select
Power Options from that menu.
b.
From within the Desktop; navigate to Control Panel>Power Options.
Or c.
From within the Start Screen; type "power", click on Settings, and select
Power Options from the list of results:

2.
In the 'Power Options' window; click on Choose what the power buttons do
(from the left hand panel):

3.
In the new window; click on Change settings that are currently
unavailable:

4.
Uncheck Fast user switching.

That's all there is to it.

Enjoy,

Mark


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Re: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Mark Furness
 

I followed your steps and I could not find “fast user switching.

Mark

On Aug 12, 2015, at 3:23 AM, Mark via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Hello Everyone,

The following steps will work in both Windows 10 and Windows 8.x in order to
disable the Fast-User switching option. Doing this will allow your computer
to truly be shut-down as it was in Windows 7 and earlier.

To disable Fast-User Switching, do the following:

1.
Access Windows 10 Power Options. This can easily be achieved using several
methods:
a.
Right click in the lower left corner of the screen (or simultaneously press
the Windows + X keys). This will bring up an 'Admin' menu. Simply select
Power Options from that menu.
b.
From within the Desktop; navigate to Control Panel>Power Options.
Or c.
From within the Start Screen; type "power", click on Settings, and select
Power Options from the list of results:

2.
In the 'Power Options' window; click on Choose what the power buttons do
(from the left hand panel):

3.
In the new window; click on Change settings that are currently unavailable:

4.
Uncheck Fast user switching.

That's all there is to it.

Enjoy,

Mark


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Re: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

 

Hi Debbie and list:
That's because Mark might have been confused in terminology: it's actually
called Fast Startup. Let me explain what it truly does (a bit technical
here, but will try to boil this down a bit):
When Windows boots, it needs to read in needed data one at a time in
multiple phases. First, whether you are booting into Safe Mode is
determined, then Windows kernel (the heart of the operating system), called
NTOSKrnl.exe (Windows NT Operating System Kernel) determines type of CPU,
amount of RAM, devices present and so on. Once the kernel is ready, it'll
ask the video card to display the Windows logo on screen, then other parts
of Windows responsible for loading user profiles will display a login prompt
(if configured to do so), and if the user successfully logs in, Windows will
start programs that will start automatically (including JAWS) and apply user
settings (this is collectively called a "session", and there is a subsystem
in Windows (called Session Manager Subsystem or SMSS.exe) that manages this;
when you use Windows, at least two sessions become active: session 0
(services) and session N (where N is the currently logged in user).
During shutdown, Windows will first close programs you were using, and if an
app does not respond, it'll pop up a dialog saying one or more apps are not
responding and ask if you wish to shutdown anyway (you may get this prompt
from time to time). Once the user logs off, Windows will terminate services
(including JAWS if told to run as a service), save user settings (including
registry changes) and turn your computer off completely. This is a full
startup/shutdown cycle.
As opposed to the above cycle, Microsoft has found a way to just turn off
user session (Windows 8.0 and later). When the computer shuts down, if Fast
Startup (technically called Hybrid Boot) is in use, Windows will log off the
user (save profiles, close programs, etc.), then the system services will
enter hibernation (where current physical memory content is stored on a
disk). Next time the computer boots, Windows system services will resume
from where they have left off, then users will be prompted to log in. This
is useful on newer computers which uses a newer firmware type called Unified
Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI), as the boot process is simpler than
older BIOS (Basic Input/Output System) firmware (I'll not go into details on
how these firmware boots, as this is too off topic here; ask me offlist) or
those using SSD's (Solid State Drives).
The reason why you hear "JAWS for Windows" when you turn off your computer
is because you have Fast Startup (or Hybrid Boot) turned on. To change this
behavior, follow Mark's instructions, but look for Fast Startup instead.
Hybrid Boot should not be confused with Fast User Switching (Windows XP and
later): Fast User Switching lets someone else log into your computer via a
different user account (provided there are multiple user accounts) without
stopping programs you were using (you'll be logged off first). On PC's
(client Windows versions), only one user can use the computer at a time, but
on server systems, multiple users can log in simultaneously (this includes
Remote Desktop accounts).
References:
Full startup/shutdown sequence:
* Ionescu, Alex, Solomon, David A., Russinovich, Mark E. Windows Internals,
Sixth Edition Part 2 (Windows 7), Microsoft Press, 2012.
Hybrid Boot:
* Sinofsky, Steven. Delivering fast boot times in Windows 8, MSDN Building
Windows 8 blog, September 8, 2011. URL:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/09/08/delivering-fast-boot-times-in-
windows-8.aspx
* Woods, Ben. Windows 8 'hybrid' mode brings faster boot, ZDNet, September
9, 2011. URL:
http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-8-hybrid-mode-brings-faster-boot/
* Shultz, Greg. How Windows 8 Hybrid Shutdown / Fast Boot feature works,
TechRepublic, October 24, 2013. URL:
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/windows-and-office/how-windows-8-hybrid-shu
tdown-fast-boot-feature-works/
UEFI boot process:
* UEFI boot: how does that actually work, then (Adam W), January 25, 2014.
URL:
https://www.happyassassin.net/2014/01/25/uefi-boot-how-does-that-actually-wo
rk-then/
Windows sessions:
* Hameed, C. Sessions, Desktops and Windows Stations, Ask the Performance
Team, TechNet, July 24, 2007. URL:
http://blogs.technet.com/b/askperf/archive/2007/07/24/sessions-desktops-and-
windows-stations.aspx
Although these references refer to old Windows releases (Windows Vista, 7
and 8.x), it applies to Windows 10, and some of these are quite technical.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Debbie April
Yuille via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 1:13 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Debbie April Yuille
Subject: RE: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown
Menu To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hi Mark

I've followed your steps, but I don't see an option to disable fast user
switching. I do however see an option to turn off fast start up though.

Thanks
Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, 12 August 2015 5:23 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Mark <facebookmark@candleshoreblog.com>
Subject: How To Configure Either The Windows 10 or Windows 8 Shutdown Menu
To Truly Turn Off Your Computer

Hello Everyone,

The following steps will work in both Windows 10 and Windows 8.x in order to
disable the Fast-User switching option. Doing this will allow your computer
to truly be shut-down as it was in Windows 7 and earlier.

To disable Fast-User Switching, do the following:

1.
Access Windows 10 Power Options. This can easily be achieved using several
methods:
a.
Right click in the lower left corner of the screen (or simultaneously press
the Windows + X keys). This will bring up an 'Admin' menu. Simply select
Power Options from that menu.
b.
From within the Desktop; navigate to Control Panel>Power Options.
Or c.
From within the Start Screen; type "power", click on Settings, and select
Power Options from the list of results:

2.
In the 'Power Options' window; click on Choose what the power buttons do
(from the left hand panel):

3.
In the new window; click on Change settings that are currently unavailable:

4.
Uncheck Fast user switching.

That's all there is to it.

Enjoy,

Mark


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