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Re: PDF documents
Greg Nickel
Hi Carolyn
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Can you tell me more about the Opticon and how it works for you? Happy to chat off forum at greg.nickel.works@gmail.com
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:14 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Carolyn Arnold Subject: Re: PDF documents With an Optacon, I can read floor plans. Remember, life is what you make it, Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Nickel via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: "Greg Nickel" <greg.nickel.works@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:24 PM Subject: RE: PDF documents Can you tell me if JAWS 16converts the pictures into text boxes on the _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: PDF documents
Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
With an Optacon, I can read floor plans.
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Remember, life is what you make it, Carolyn
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From: "Greg Nickel via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: "Greg Nickel" <greg.nickel.works@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:24 PM Subject: RE: PDF documents Can you tell me if JAWS 16converts the pictures into text boxes on the Word
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Re: PDF documents
Andre Jarreau <andre.jarreau@...>
Sorry if I wasn't clear. To my knowledge no photograph is OCR readable. I
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think only text from graphics can be picked up by the OCR feature.
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Londa Peterson via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:43 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Londa Peterson Subject: RE: PDF documents If you mean using convenient OCR, I don't think it converts the pictures at all. I've never had anyone look to be sure, but I know I have gotten extraneous text at times that I thought was probably pictures that JAWS tried to OCR. Convenient OCR just puts the text into a virtual viewer. You can then paste it wherever you want. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Greg Nickel via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:24 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Greg Nickel Subject: RE: PDF documents Can you tell me if JAWS 16converts the pictures into text boxes on the Word doc? On the idea of conveying a picture other than visually, I could see a tactile display coming in handy is for technical drawings like architectural or otherwise that are line based drawings. I do a lot of work with architectural and for now I have someone draw over the lines with a vinyl tactile marking tube. Any other ideas that might be better? -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:18 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) Subject: RE: PDF documents When you come down to it, how do you read a picture anyway? Sure, you can extract text, but how do you read, for example, a photograph? Place a center fold on a scanner, and a male synth will emit a deep heart-felt sigh! All kidding aside, how could a screen reader convey meaningful information. I suppose a tactile display might be able to do it two-dimensionally. Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:19 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Andre Jarreau Subject: RE: PDF documents I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were readable by Jaws but they are not. I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind people. I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described as being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Greg Nickel via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:31 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Greg Nickel Subject: RE: PDF documents How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I have been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it does it as accurately as you say. because -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:20 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Andre Jarreau Subject: RE: PDF documents Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were written in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps this one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:14 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) Subject: RE: PDF documents No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course, that was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable, thanks to 16. Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:57 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Andre Jarreau Subject: RE: PDF documents Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive document around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and reads with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into text. That is often a mess as you say. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:30 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) Subject: RE: PDF documents Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file. Even when it works, it's not the most attractive document around. Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:31 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Bill White Subject: Re: PDF documents That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille if she can upload the document. I'll include the link for her here. http://robobraille.org/ Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Jarreau via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: "Andre Jarreau" <andre.jarreau@earthlink.net> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:25 PM Subject: RE: PDF documents Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF. I __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11946 (20150715) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: PDF documents
Andre Jarreau <andre.jarreau@...>
I can't tell you how it works. I haven't given it much thought. ...not
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that I could figure it out. If your architectural drawings can be put in a PDF then check out ViewPoint graphics embossers. They have two. One that just embosses and the other that will laser print the PDF onto embosser paper then emboss the images. They are expensive. $20K for the embosser with laser printed images on it.
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Greg Nickel via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:24 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Greg Nickel Subject: RE: PDF documents Can you tell me if JAWS 16converts the pictures into text boxes on the Word doc? On the idea of conveying a picture other than visually, I could see a tactile display coming in handy is for technical drawings like architectural or otherwise that are line based drawings. I do a lot of work with architectural and for now I have someone draw over the lines with a vinyl tactile marking tube. Any other ideas that might be better? -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:18 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) Subject: RE: PDF documents When you come down to it, how do you read a picture anyway? Sure, you can extract text, but how do you read, for example, a photograph? Place a center fold on a scanner, and a male synth will emit a deep heart-felt sigh! All kidding aside, how could a screen reader convey meaningful information. I suppose a tactile display might be able to do it two-dimensionally. Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:19 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Andre Jarreau Subject: RE: PDF documents I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were readable by Jaws but they are not. I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind people. I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described as being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Greg Nickel via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:31 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Greg Nickel Subject: RE: PDF documents How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I have been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it does it as accurately as you say. because -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:20 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Andre Jarreau Subject: RE: PDF documents Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were written in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps this one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:14 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) Subject: RE: PDF documents No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course, that was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable, thanks to 16. Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:57 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Andre Jarreau Subject: RE: PDF documents Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive document around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and reads with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into text. That is often a mess as you say. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:30 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) Subject: RE: PDF documents Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file. Even when it works, it's not the most attractive document around. Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:31 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Bill White Subject: Re: PDF documents That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille if she can upload the document. I'll include the link for her here. http://robobraille.org/ Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Jarreau via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: "Andre Jarreau" <andre.jarreau@earthlink.net> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:25 PM Subject: RE: PDF documents Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF. I __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11946 (20150715) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: PDF documents
Andre Jarreau <andre.jarreau@...>
Yeah the tactile Pad is curious. It may be possible there might be a slight
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height dimension in addition to the two dimensions expected. ViewPoint makes a very high quality embosser used for reading atomic scatter graphics for blind Physicists. It also will print anything in a PDF in very high quality. Colors are displayed by height of the very fine dots. Black is the tallest, white is the lowest and all other colors are slightly different heights in between. I actually used one to read a blueprint from an electric power plant. Cool stuff. The technology is there today. I hope the new Bump-Pad or what ever it's called, uses it and useful images can be determined by the blind.
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:18 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) Subject: RE: PDF documents When you come down to it, how do you read a picture anyway? Sure, you can extract text, but how do you read, for example, a photograph? Place a center fold on a scanner, and a male synth will emit a deep heart-felt sigh! All kidding aside, how could a screen reader convey meaningful information. I suppose a tactile display might be able to do it two-dimensionally. Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:19 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Andre Jarreau Subject: RE: PDF documents I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were readable by Jaws but they are not. I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind people. I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described as being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Greg Nickel via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:31 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Greg Nickel Subject: RE: PDF documents How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I have been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it does it as accurately as you say. because -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:20 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Andre Jarreau Subject: RE: PDF documents Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were written in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps this one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:14 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) Subject: RE: PDF documents No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course, that was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable, thanks to 16. Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:57 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Andre Jarreau Subject: RE: PDF documents Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive document around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and reads with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into text. That is often a mess as you say. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:30 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) Subject: RE: PDF documents Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file. Even when it works, it's not the most attractive document around. Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:31 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Bill White Subject: Re: PDF documents That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille if she can upload the document. I'll include the link for her here. http://robobraille.org/ Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Jarreau via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: "Andre Jarreau" <andre.jarreau@earthlink.net> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:25 PM Subject: RE: PDF documents Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF. I __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11946 (20150715) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: PDF documents
Londa Peterson
If you mean using convenient OCR, I don't think it converts the pictures at
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all. I've never had anyone look to be sure, but I know I have gotten extraneous text at times that I thought was probably pictures that JAWS tried to OCR. Convenient OCR just puts the text into a virtual viewer. You can then paste it wherever you want.
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Greg Nickel via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:24 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Greg Nickel Subject: RE: PDF documents Can you tell me if JAWS 16converts the pictures into text boxes on the Word doc? On the idea of conveying a picture other than visually, I could see a tactile display coming in handy is for technical drawings like architectural or otherwise that are line based drawings. I do a lot of work with architectural and for now I have someone draw over the lines with a vinyl tactile marking tube. Any other ideas that might be better? -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:18 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) Subject: RE: PDF documents When you come down to it, how do you read a picture anyway? Sure, you can extract text, but how do you read, for example, a photograph? Place a center fold on a scanner, and a male synth will emit a deep heart-felt sigh! All kidding aside, how could a screen reader convey meaningful information. I suppose a tactile display might be able to do it two-dimensionally. Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:19 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Andre Jarreau Subject: RE: PDF documents I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were readable by Jaws but they are not. I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind people. I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described as being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Greg Nickel via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:31 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Greg Nickel Subject: RE: PDF documents How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I have been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it does it as accurately as you say. because -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:20 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Andre Jarreau Subject: RE: PDF documents Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were written in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps this one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:14 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) Subject: RE: PDF documents No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course, that was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable, thanks to 16. Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:57 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Andre Jarreau Subject: RE: PDF documents Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive document around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and reads with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into text. That is often a mess as you say. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:30 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) Subject: RE: PDF documents Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file. Even when it works, it's not the most attractive document around. Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:31 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Bill White Subject: Re: PDF documents That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille if she can upload the document. I'll include the link for her here. http://robobraille.org/ Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Jarreau via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: "Andre Jarreau" <andre.jarreau@earthlink.net> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:25 PM Subject: RE: PDF documents Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF. 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Re: PDF documents
Greg Nickel
Can you tell me if JAWS 16converts the pictures into text boxes on the Word
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doc? On the idea of conveying a picture other than visually, I could see a tactile display coming in handy is for technical drawings like architectural or otherwise that are line based drawings. I do a lot of work with architectural and for now I have someone draw over the lines with a vinyl tactile marking tube. Any other ideas that might be better?
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:18 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) Subject: RE: PDF documents When you come down to it, how do you read a picture anyway? Sure, you can extract text, but how do you read, for example, a photograph? Place a center fold on a scanner, and a male synth will emit a deep heart-felt sigh! All kidding aside, how could a screen reader convey meaningful information. I suppose a tactile display might be able to do it two-dimensionally. Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:19 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Andre Jarreau Subject: RE: PDF documents I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were readable by Jaws but they are not. I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind people. I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described as being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Greg Nickel via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:31 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Greg Nickel Subject: RE: PDF documents How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I have been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it does it as accurately as you say. because -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:20 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Andre Jarreau Subject: RE: PDF documents Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were written in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps this one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:14 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) Subject: RE: PDF documents No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course, that was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable, thanks to 16. Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:57 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Andre Jarreau Subject: RE: PDF documents Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive document around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and reads with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into text. That is often a mess as you say. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:30 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) Subject: RE: PDF documents Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file. Even when it works, it's not the most attractive document around. Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:31 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Bill White Subject: Re: PDF documents That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille if she can upload the document. I'll include the link for her here. http://robobraille.org/ Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Jarreau via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: "Andre Jarreau" <andre.jarreau@earthlink.net> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:25 PM Subject: RE: PDF documents Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF. I __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11946 (20150715) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: PDF documents
Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
When you come down to it, how do you read a picture anyway? Sure, you can extract text, but how do you read, for example, a photograph? Place a center fold on a scanner, and a male synth will emit a deep heart-felt sigh! All kidding aside, how could a screen reader convey meaningful information. I suppose a tactile display might be able to do it two-dimensionally.
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Ted
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:19 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Andre Jarreau Subject: RE: PDF documents I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were readable by Jaws but they are not. I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind people. I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described as being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Greg Nickel via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:31 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Greg Nickel Subject: RE: PDF documents How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I have been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it does it as accurately as you say. because -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:20 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Andre Jarreau Subject: RE: PDF documents Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were written in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps this one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:14 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) Subject: RE: PDF documents No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course, that was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable, thanks to 16. Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:57 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Andre Jarreau Subject: RE: PDF documents Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive document around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and reads with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into text. That is often a mess as you say. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:30 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) Subject: RE: PDF documents Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file. Even when it works, it's not the most attractive document around. Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:31 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Bill White Subject: Re: PDF documents That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille if she can upload the document. I'll include the link for her here. http://robobraille.org/ Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Jarreau via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: "Andre Jarreau" <andre.jarreau@earthlink.net> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:25 PM Subject: RE: PDF documents Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF. I __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11946 (20150715) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: PDF documents
Greg Nickel
Thanks guys. Sounds like updating would be worthwhile.
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 11:19 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Andre Jarreau Subject: RE: PDF documents I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were readable by Jaws but they are not. I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind people. I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described as being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Greg Nickel via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:31 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Greg Nickel Subject: RE: PDF documents How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I have been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it does it as accurately as you say. because -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:20 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Andre Jarreau Subject: RE: PDF documents Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were written in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps this one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:14 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) Subject: RE: PDF documents No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course, that was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable, thanks to 16. Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:57 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Andre Jarreau Subject: RE: PDF documents Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive document around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and reads with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into text. That is often a mess as you say. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:30 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) Subject: RE: PDF documents Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file. Even when it works, it's not the most attractive document around. Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:31 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Bill White Subject: Re: PDF documents That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille if she can upload the document. I'll include the link for her here. http://robobraille.org/ Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Jarreau via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: "Andre Jarreau" <andre.jarreau@earthlink.net> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:25 PM Subject: RE: PDF documents Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF. I __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11946 (20150715) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: PDF documents
Andre Jarreau <andre.jarreau@...>
I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF
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including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were readable by Jaws but they are not. I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind people. I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described as being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market. Andre
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Greg Nickel via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:31 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Greg Nickel Subject: RE: PDF documents How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I have been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it does it as accurately as you say. because -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:20 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Andre Jarreau Subject: RE: PDF documents Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were written in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps this one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:14 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) Subject: RE: PDF documents No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course, that was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable, thanks to 16. Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:57 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Andre Jarreau Subject: RE: PDF documents Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive document around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and reads with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into text. That is often a mess as you say. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:30 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) Subject: RE: PDF documents Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file. Even when it works, it's not the most attractive document around. Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:31 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Bill White Subject: Re: PDF documents That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille if she can upload the document. I'll include the link for her here. http://robobraille.org/ Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Jarreau via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: "Andre Jarreau" <andre.jarreau@earthlink.net> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:25 PM Subject: RE: PDF documents Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF. I __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11946 (20150715) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: PDF documents
Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
Hi, Andre. Greg is asking how JAWS16 does with converting graphics, not how Word does at converting graphics.
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Re: PDF documents
Greg Nickel
How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I have
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been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it does it as accurately as you say. because
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:20 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Andre Jarreau Subject: RE: PDF documents Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were written in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps this one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:14 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) Subject: RE: PDF documents No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course, that was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable, thanks to 16. Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:57 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Andre Jarreau Subject: RE: PDF documents Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive document around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and reads with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into text. That is often a mess as you say. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:30 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) Subject: RE: PDF documents Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file. Even when it works, it's not the most attractive document around. Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:31 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Bill White Subject: Re: PDF documents That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille if she can upload the document. I'll include the link for her here. http://robobraille.org/ Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Jarreau via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: "Andre Jarreau" <andre.jarreau@earthlink.net> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:25 PM Subject: RE: PDF documents Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF. I __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11946 (20150715) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: PDF documents
Andre Jarreau <andre.jarreau@...>
Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into
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Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were written in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps this one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful. Andre
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:14 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) Subject: RE: PDF documents No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course, that was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable, thanks to 16. Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:57 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Andre Jarreau Subject: RE: PDF documents Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive document around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and reads with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into text. That is often a mess as you say. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:30 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) Subject: RE: PDF documents Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file. Even when it works, it's not the most attractive document around. Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:31 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Bill White Subject: Re: PDF documents That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille if she can upload the document. I'll include the link for her here. http://robobraille.org/ Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Jarreau via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: "Andre Jarreau" <andre.jarreau@earthlink.net> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:25 PM Subject: RE: PDF documents Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF. I __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11946 (20150715) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: Anyone know why some e-mails have this weird stuff?
Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
It is plain text; thanks for explanation.
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Remember, life is what you make it, Carolyn
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From: "Maria Campbell via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: "Maria Campbell" <lucky1@ct.metrocast.net> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:59 AM Subject: Re: Anyone know why some e-mails have this weird stuff? You may have your message body as plain text. Changing that to html may stop that, but it is less secure.
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Vertical Tab
Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
Greetings All,
How do I stop Jaws from announcing "Vertical tab", please? I am using Windows 7 64 bit, JAWS Version 16.0.4350.400, and Office 365. Thank you, Cheers Kevin. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20150721/a0d6f5dd/attachment.html>
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Re: Pound Sign in Jaws
Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
You'd better know it!
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold via Jfw Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 11:12 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Carolyn Arnold Subject: Re: Pound Sign in Jaws That Insert 4 is a keeper, isn't it? Remember, life is what you make it, Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 8:51 AM Subject: RE: Pound Sign in Jaws Thanks. I'd never used that much--cool list! _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: PDF documents
Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course, that was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable, thanks to 16.
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Ted
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:57 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Andre Jarreau Subject: RE: PDF documents Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive document around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and reads with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into text. That is often a mess as you say. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:30 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) Subject: RE: PDF documents Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file. Even when it works, it's not the most attractive document around. Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:31 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Bill White Subject: Re: PDF documents That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille if she can upload the document. I'll include the link for her here. http://robobraille.org/ Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Jarreau via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: "Andre Jarreau" <andre.jarreau@earthlink.net> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:25 PM Subject: RE: PDF documents Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF. I __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11946 (20150715) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: Using JAWS with Avaya Agent One X
Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
What is Avaya?
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Remember, life is what you make it, Carolyn
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From: "Michael Mote via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: "Michael Mote" <miketmote73@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:06 AM Subject: Using JAWS with Avaya Agent One X Hi folks! I was wondering if anyone here on the list had experience using
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Re: Pound Sign in Jaws
Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
That Insert 4 is a keeper, isn't it?
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Remember, life is what you make it, Carolyn
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From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 8:51 AM Subject: RE: Pound Sign in Jaws Thanks. I'd never used that much--cool list!
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Re: Anyone know why some e-mails have this weird stuff?
Maria Campbell
You may have your message body as plain text. Changing that to html may stop that, but it is less secure.
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On 7/21/2015 10:55 AM, Carolyn Arnold via Jfw wrote:
I never got this stuff until a year or so ago. Is there anything I can do to stop it, block it, or skip it? Thanks. See below: --
Sunny Day Maria Campbell lucky1@ct.metrocast.net Trials without God will break you. Trials with God will make you.
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