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Chrome is Useless!

Brad Martin
 

Curious about all the hubbub on this list (I hadn't read my Email in a week), I installed Google Chrome. Here are my observations:

1. Chrome never asked me a question, never asked if I wanted it to be my default browser, made itself my default--at least on the account under which I installed it, but otherwise was OK.

2. The first time it opened, it felt remarkably like Firefox, except of course for the single menu, which was fine.

3. Pressing Insert Q told me that the settings JAWS had loaded were for Firefox, although I was using Chrome. Kind of interesting.

4. Now that I've told Firefox to resume being the default browser, Chrome can't decide whether it wants to open on my Admin account or not. Sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't.

5. On my personal user account, Chrome will not open. Period. Makes it kind of hard to browse the web. Right click. Double Click. Enter. Nothing.

So I would say the one time it worked, it was fine, although it actually felt slower than Firefox for me, but I didn't get much chance to play with it before it went on strike. I'll keep it for another day and see if it decides to work again, but otherwise, I'm trashing it. I don't need the dead weight.



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Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Peter Donahue
 

Hello Jim and everyone,

It's possible to have it both ways. JAWS could be directed to store
a user's settings locally for those who prefer that setup or store them in
the cloud for users wanting easy access to them in the event of a computer
crash or if one buys a new computer. During installation if the cloud option
is selected JFW could be directed to retrieve your user settings from the
cloud so they can be reloaded with ease. This doesn't need to be an
either/or proposition.


Peter Donahue

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 5:50 PM
To: 'Bill White'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Having JAWS totally in the cloud would scare the daylights out of me!
However, having JAWS settings in the cloud is no less of a security concern!

In my view, the ONLY thing that makes sense is to have a "fail-safe" way to
access your JAWS settings which is "resident" on your PC/lap top/tablet.
That way, people, who DO NOT want to use the cloud, will not be forced to do
so, and access to these settings would be available even if your PC/lap
top/tablet is not connected to the internet at the time.

I ask you... is the cloud REALLY NECESSARY? My response is clearly NO!

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 7:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Hi, Drew. Freedom Scientific is not going to run JAWS in the cloud. Only the

settings will be stored in the cloud. So you wouldn't be able to log on with

different devices and not have JAWS on your PC.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Hunthausen via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Drew Hunthausen" <dhunthausen@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:11 PM
Subject: RE: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7


The biggest advantage of having Jaws in the cloud in my opinion would
be that it wouldn't be effecting the operation of your PC. It would
also be much easier to use Jaws on multiple computers as you would
just need to log into the cloud on whatever computer you are using. As
far as security goes, for real hackers as long as a computer is
connected to the internet periodically it doesn't matter weather the
info is on the cloud or the hard drive they can still access it.
Should be interesting what will happen with this, but I am all for the
cloud.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Hamilton via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 3:35 PM
To: 'Peter Donahue'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Good evening Peter:

Over the last several years, we have seen a lot of news about some
exceedingly security-conscious organizations, e.g. US Government,
being hacked into. So, I do not believe that anything is "perfectly"
safe; but,
I
do believe that I am better off when I keep personal information very
close to home. In my view, no "cloud" is hacker-proof.

This feature may be seen by many as a good idea; but, I strongly
believe that users should be given the choice of where their JAWS
settings are saved! This kind of stuff is just too important to put
out into an ethernet cloud - public, or private! If I do not have an
internet signal, what will happen? Will I just have to wait until my
signal returns before I can use JAWS again. And, what happens if JAWS
access is needed in an emergency?

In short, there MUST be a "fail-safe" way to access JAWS settings when
desired/required!

To be honest, finding a way to keep the Merge Utility would seem to be
a more "current" problem to resolve, rather than "where" JAWS settings
are stored. It still confounds me that it would be left out in JAWS
17; but, I am only a "user".

For years, I have considered JAWS to be about the best screen reader,
despite its various problems. However, my perception of how Version
17 has been planned, and especially regarding how much it appears that
this version was just not very-well thought out, is causing second
thoughts on my part.

Perhaps, I'm a dinosaur; but, I bet that other JAWS users have the
same concern that I have expressed. Frankly, I want to KEEP my
privacy as long as I can, and I also would prefer that control of my
"necessary" aids be left in MY hands.

It is my hope that FS will keep these concerns in mind when going forward.
For instance, are there any plans to "re-introduce" the Merge Utility
in an upcoming "update" to Version 17? And, despite your confidence
in "cloud storage" of JAWS settings, might there be some thought to
giving users that "fail-safe" of which I wrote?

That's all for now. Thanks for listening.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Donahue [mailto:pdonahue2@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 5:51 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Good afternoon,

There are public and private clouds. FS would obviously use a
private cloud to address privacy concerns. We use a number of cloud
applications and have not had issues with our privacy being
compromized or our devices being hacked. Being able to have JAWS
reload user settings and configurations from the cloud would be a
welcome feature in a future version.

Peter Donahue




Jim Hamilton via Jfw wrote:
Sorry folks! My overriding concern is "privacy", of which there is
NONE
in
the cloud! And, it's yet more information available "out there" for
anyone,
with the skills, to find about me, or anyone else!

OK; so, I'm a technical dinosaur; bbut, I'm not alone.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: David Moore [mailto:jesusloves1966@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 5:22 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Hi all,
Having all settings, scripts, and all changes we make to JAWS stored
in
the
cloud excites me a lot. If FS created a service for us to do this, We
would
never lose our settings and our own scripts ever again. I agree.
Bring it on.


-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Donahue via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 5:09 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Peter Donahue
Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Hello everyone,

For some having JAWS store your user settings in the cloud is big.
I have made this suggestion to FS for some time and would like to see
it become a reality. Your authorization code would be stored with
your user settings allowing JAWS to retrieve information such as
saved settings whenever you upgrade to a new version or install and
authorize it on another device. Bring it on FS!

Peter Donahue



Soronel Haetir via Jfw wrote:
The only possible benefit I could see of allowing jaws to save
settings to the cloud is if they loosen the licensing system so that
it is easier for a single user to use many devices.

On 11/6/15, Jim Hamilton via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
For one, I will continue to ignore requests to store "anything" in
the cloud! There is already far too much information out there,
online, about myself, and don't want any additional windows into my
life. If FS has this in mind for saving/changing our JAWS
settings, I will strongly protest.
Of
course, before protesting, I will wait to see what happens.

Jim H
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Re: Chrome and Twitter

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Andre. Use the following page to download Q.U.B.E.

http://theqube.oire.org/

Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andre Jarreau via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Andre Jarreau" <andre.jarreau@earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 5:09 PM
Subject: RE: Chrome and Twitter


Does anyone have a link to download Qube? I find a website but no download
link.

Forgive my not understanding this simple thing. I am missing something.
I'm using Chrome to find it. Can IE be used to find it and download it and
have it work with Chrome? Or do client programs need a browser for download
at all?

Any input would be appreciated.

Andre Jarreau
Business, Music & Engineering

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 4:29 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: Chrome and Twitter

Hi Andre,
I really like the Qube. I know you will too. If you have any questions at
all, please ask me. Many of the key commands use Windows + ctrl, + some
letter. Let me know if you can download it. If you press Windows + ctrl + n,

it will bring up all of the key commands, and if you tab, you can change any

key command to one that you like. Take care, and have a great one.


-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Jarreau via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 10:48 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: Chrome and Twitter

Hi David,

The Qube is most interesting and I will be checking it out. I don't know
skype but I'm sure I will be contacting you during the turn_key process.

Andre

Andre Jarreau
Business, Music and Engineering


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:44 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: Chrome and Twitter

Hi Andre,
You are so welcome. If you want a free twitter client, there are two others
that I would recommend that are just as good as Chicken Nugget. I know that
Chicken Nugget does cost money. Here are two more to check out that are
free. The first client is TW blue. The second one is one I use, and it is
called The Qube. Both of those are free downloads and are very good. I
really like the Qube, because you can use it with all key commands. You do
not have to work with the menus at all. I can send and reply to tweets so
fast using the Qube. Get a hold of me anytime at my personal email or on
Skype. My Skype ID is:
david.moore3507. Take care.


-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Jarreau via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 4:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: Chrome and Twitter

Hi David,

This is what I found using Control-L in Chrome. On my machine it works with
a minor twist. After hitting Control-L and typing or pasting a URL into the
edit field you must hit the down arrow key one time for JAWS to speak what
you have entered. Then hitting the enter key at this point takes you where
you want to go.

I'm not sure how it works on other machines but this is how it works on
mine. And works well.

Also thanks for the link for web accessible twitter and the Twitter client
Chicken Nugget you sent. I am checking out both to see which way is best.
Very encouraged and can't wait to see the podcast you come up with for
Chrome.

Andre

Andre Jarreau
Business, music and engineering
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 12:27 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: Chrome and Twitter

Hi there,
Are you trying to get to Twitter's web site? If you are, just press ctrl + L
and type www.twitter.com It should go to the Twitter web site just like any
other site. I just tried it and it did. However, the Twitter main web site
is very difficult to use.
You should try this web site:
www.easychirp.com
That is an accessible web site that links into your twitter account, but it
is much easier to navigate and to use than the main Twitter site. Even
better, is to use a client like Chicken Nugget to work with your Twitter
account, because you can send and receive tweets, reply to tweets, and all
you want to do right in a desk top program instead of being on the web at
all. Take care.


-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Jarreau via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 4:13 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: Chrome and Twitter

I may be doing something wrong. At the Google home page in Chrome I want to
go to Twitter.com and can't seem to get there. Tried keystrokes common in
IE but didn't work in Chrome.



Does anyone know the keystroke commands to get to Twitter? Thanks



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Re: Chrome and Twitter

Andre Jarreau <andre.jarreau@...>
 

Does anyone have a link to download Qube? I find a website but no download
link.

Forgive my not understanding this simple thing. I am missing something.
I'm using Chrome to find it. Can IE be used to find it and download it and
have it work with Chrome? Or do client programs need a browser for download
at all?

Any input would be appreciated.

Andre Jarreau
Business, Music & Engineering

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 4:29 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: Chrome and Twitter

Hi Andre,
I really like the Qube. I know you will too. If you have any questions at
all, please ask me. Many of the key commands use Windows + ctrl, + some
letter. Let me know if you can download it. If you press Windows + ctrl + n,

it will bring up all of the key commands, and if you tab, you can change any

key command to one that you like. Take care, and have a great one.


-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Jarreau via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 10:48 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: Chrome and Twitter

Hi David,

The Qube is most interesting and I will be checking it out. I don't know
skype but I'm sure I will be contacting you during the turn_key process.

Andre

Andre Jarreau
Business, Music and Engineering


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:44 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: Chrome and Twitter

Hi Andre,
You are so welcome. If you want a free twitter client, there are two others
that I would recommend that are just as good as Chicken Nugget. I know that
Chicken Nugget does cost money. Here are two more to check out that are
free. The first client is TW blue. The second one is one I use, and it is
called The Qube. Both of those are free downloads and are very good. I
really like the Qube, because you can use it with all key commands. You do
not have to work with the menus at all. I can send and reply to tweets so
fast using the Qube. Get a hold of me anytime at my personal email or on
Skype. My Skype ID is:
david.moore3507. Take care.


-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Jarreau via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 4:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: Chrome and Twitter

Hi David,

This is what I found using Control-L in Chrome. On my machine it works with
a minor twist. After hitting Control-L and typing or pasting a URL into the
edit field you must hit the down arrow key one time for JAWS to speak what
you have entered. Then hitting the enter key at this point takes you where
you want to go.

I'm not sure how it works on other machines but this is how it works on
mine. And works well.

Also thanks for the link for web accessible twitter and the Twitter client
Chicken Nugget you sent. I am checking out both to see which way is best.
Very encouraged and can't wait to see the podcast you come up with for
Chrome.

Andre

Andre Jarreau
Business, music and engineering
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 12:27 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: Chrome and Twitter

Hi there,
Are you trying to get to Twitter's web site? If you are, just press ctrl + L
and type www.twitter.com It should go to the Twitter web site just like any
other site. I just tried it and it did. However, the Twitter main web site
is very difficult to use.
You should try this web site:
www.easychirp.com
That is an accessible web site that links into your twitter account, but it
is much easier to navigate and to use than the main Twitter site. Even
better, is to use a client like Chicken Nugget to work with your Twitter
account, because you can send and receive tweets, reply to tweets, and all
you want to do right in a desk top program instead of being on the web at
all. Take care.


-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Jarreau via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 4:13 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: Chrome and Twitter

I may be doing something wrong. At the Google home page in Chrome I want to
go to Twitter.com and can't seem to get there. Tried keystrokes common in
IE but didn't work in Chrome.



Does anyone know the keystroke commands to get to Twitter? Thanks


Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Drew Hunthausen
 

I haven't read up on the features of the cloud or any details, but one
significant benefit in my opinion is the ability to access your settings
from any computer. When I go somewhere that I can't take my lap top but need
to use a computer having Jaws settings in the cloud would allow me to use
the demo version of jaws and still use my own settings. Also for people
using public computers like at a work place or a school with jaws on them
would be able to have all their own settings. The cloud is really no less
safe than having it stored on the computer if a skilled hacker wants access.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 3:50 PM
To: 'Bill White'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Having JAWS totally in the cloud would scare the daylights out of me!
However, having JAWS settings in the cloud is no less of a security concern!

In my view, the ONLY thing that makes sense is to have a "fail-safe" way to
access your JAWS settings which is "resident" on your PC/lap top/tablet.
That way, people, who DO NOT want to use the cloud, will not be forced to do
so, and access to these settings would be available even if your PC/lap
top/tablet is not connected to the internet at the time.

I ask you... is the cloud REALLY NECESSARY? My response is clearly NO!

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 7:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Hi, Drew. Freedom Scientific is not going to run JAWS in the cloud. Only the

settings will be stored in the cloud. So you wouldn't be able to log on with

different devices and not have JAWS on your PC.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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From: "Drew Hunthausen via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Drew Hunthausen" <dhunthausen@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:11 PM
Subject: RE: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7


The biggest advantage of having Jaws in the cloud in my opinion would
be that it wouldn't be effecting the operation of your PC. It would
also be much easier to use Jaws on multiple computers as you would
just need to log into the cloud on whatever computer you are using. As
far as security goes, for real hackers as long as a computer is
connected to the internet periodically it doesn't matter weather the
info is on the cloud or the hard drive they can still access it.
Should be interesting what will happen with this, but I am all for the
cloud.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Hamilton via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 3:35 PM
To: 'Peter Donahue'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Good evening Peter:

Over the last several years, we have seen a lot of news about some
exceedingly security-conscious organizations, e.g. US Government,
being hacked into. So, I do not believe that anything is "perfectly"
safe; but,
I
do believe that I am better off when I keep personal information very
close to home. In my view, no "cloud" is hacker-proof.

This feature may be seen by many as a good idea; but, I strongly
believe that users should be given the choice of where their JAWS
settings are saved! This kind of stuff is just too important to put
out into an ethernet cloud - public, or private! If I do not have an
internet signal, what will happen? Will I just have to wait until my
signal returns before I can use JAWS again. And, what happens if JAWS
access is needed in an emergency?

In short, there MUST be a "fail-safe" way to access JAWS settings when
desired/required!

To be honest, finding a way to keep the Merge Utility would seem to be
a more "current" problem to resolve, rather than "where" JAWS settings
are stored. It still confounds me that it would be left out in JAWS
17; but, I am only a "user".

For years, I have considered JAWS to be about the best screen reader,
despite its various problems. However, my perception of how Version
17 has been planned, and especially regarding how much it appears that
this version was just not very-well thought out, is causing second
thoughts on my part.

Perhaps, I'm a dinosaur; but, I bet that other JAWS users have the
same concern that I have expressed. Frankly, I want to KEEP my
privacy as long as I can, and I also would prefer that control of my
"necessary" aids be left in MY hands.

It is my hope that FS will keep these concerns in mind when going forward.
For instance, are there any plans to "re-introduce" the Merge Utility
in an upcoming "update" to Version 17? And, despite your confidence
in "cloud storage" of JAWS settings, might there be some thought to
giving users that "fail-safe" of which I wrote?

That's all for now. Thanks for listening.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Donahue [mailto:pdonahue2@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 5:51 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Good afternoon,

There are public and private clouds. FS would obviously use a
private cloud to address privacy concerns. We use a number of cloud
applications and have not had issues with our privacy being
compromized or our devices being hacked. Being able to have JAWS
reload user settings and configurations from the cloud would be a
welcome feature in a future version.

Peter Donahue




Jim Hamilton via Jfw wrote:
Sorry folks! My overriding concern is "privacy", of which there is
NONE
in
the cloud! And, it's yet more information available "out there" for
anyone,
with the skills, to find about me, or anyone else!

OK; so, I'm a technical dinosaur; bbut, I'm not alone.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: David Moore [mailto:jesusloves1966@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 5:22 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Hi all,
Having all settings, scripts, and all changes we make to JAWS stored
in
the
cloud excites me a lot. If FS created a service for us to do this, We
would
never lose our settings and our own scripts ever again. I agree.
Bring it on.


-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Donahue via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 5:09 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Peter Donahue
Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Hello everyone,

For some having JAWS store your user settings in the cloud is big.
I have made this suggestion to FS for some time and would like to see
it become a reality. Your authorization code would be stored with
your user settings allowing JAWS to retrieve information such as
saved settings whenever you upgrade to a new version or install and
authorize it on another device. Bring it on FS!

Peter Donahue



Soronel Haetir via Jfw wrote:
The only possible benefit I could see of allowing jaws to save
settings to the cloud is if they loosen the licensing system so that
it is easier for a single user to use many devices.

On 11/6/15, Jim Hamilton via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
For one, I will continue to ignore requests to store "anything" in
the cloud! There is already far too much information out there,
online, about myself, and don't want any additional windows into my
life. If FS has this in mind for saving/changing our JAWS
settings, I will strongly protest.
Of
course, before protesting, I will wait to see what happens.

Jim H
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Re: JAWS and speech input?

Ed Marquette <marquette.ed@...>
 

This is correct; however, you can use Dragon Naturally kept speaking by itself with Jaws.
Additional software is not required.
The additional things, however, our help.


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 10, 2015, at 4:49 AM, Les Kriegler via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Ann, you can use Dragon with Jaws, but it's my understanding that you won't
receive automatic speech feedback unless you use J-Say with Dragon.

Les

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Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 6:58 PM
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Cc: Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: JAWS and speech input?

Is anyone using JAWS with a speech input program such as Dragon
dictate. is it still necessary to use J-say with Jaws and Dragon?


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Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

HAMILTON
 

Having JAWS totally in the cloud would scare the daylights out of me!
However, having JAWS settings in the cloud is no less of a security concern!

In my view, the ONLY thing that makes sense is to have a "fail-safe" way to
access your JAWS settings which is "resident" on your PC/lap top/tablet.
That way, people, who DO NOT want to use the cloud, will not be forced to do
so, and access to these settings would be available even if your PC/lap
top/tablet is not connected to the internet at the time.

I ask you... is the cloud REALLY NECESSARY? My response is clearly NO!

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 7:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Hi, Drew. Freedom Scientific is not going to run JAWS in the cloud. Only the

settings will be stored in the cloud. So you wouldn't be able to log on with

different devices and not have JAWS on your PC.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Hunthausen via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Drew Hunthausen" <dhunthausen@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:11 PM
Subject: RE: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7


The biggest advantage of having Jaws in the cloud in my opinion would be
that it wouldn't be effecting the operation of your PC. It would also be
much easier to use Jaws on multiple computers as you would just need to
log
into the cloud on whatever computer you are using. As far as security
goes,
for real hackers as long as a computer is connected to the internet
periodically it doesn't matter weather the info is on the cloud or the
hard
drive they can still access it. Should be interesting what will happen
with
this, but I am all for the cloud.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 3:35 PM
To: 'Peter Donahue'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Good evening Peter:

Over the last several years, we have seen a lot of news about some
exceedingly security-conscious organizations, e.g. US Government, being
hacked into. So, I do not believe that anything is "perfectly" safe; but,
I
do believe that I am better off when I keep personal information very
close
to home. In my view, no "cloud" is hacker-proof.

This feature may be seen by many as a good idea; but, I strongly believe
that users should be given the choice of where their JAWS settings are
saved! This kind of stuff is just too important to put out into an
ethernet
cloud - public, or private! If I do not have an internet signal, what
will
happen? Will I just have to wait until my signal returns before I can use
JAWS again. And, what happens if JAWS access is needed in an emergency?

In short, there MUST be a "fail-safe" way to access JAWS settings when
desired/required!

To be honest, finding a way to keep the Merge Utility would seem to be a
more "current" problem to resolve, rather than "where" JAWS settings are
stored. It still confounds me that it would be left out in JAWS 17; but,
I
am only a "user".

For years, I have considered JAWS to be about the best screen reader,
despite its various problems. However, my perception of how Version 17
has
been planned, and especially regarding how much it appears that this
version
was just not very-well thought out, is causing second thoughts on my part.

Perhaps, I'm a dinosaur; but, I bet that other JAWS users have the same
concern that I have expressed. Frankly, I want to KEEP my privacy as long
as I can, and I also would prefer that control of my "necessary" aids be
left in MY hands.

It is my hope that FS will keep these concerns in mind when going forward.
For instance, are there any plans to "re-introduce" the Merge Utility in
an
upcoming "update" to Version 17? And, despite your confidence in "cloud
storage" of JAWS settings, might there be some thought to giving users
that
"fail-safe" of which I wrote?

That's all for now. Thanks for listening.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Donahue [mailto:pdonahue2@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 5:51 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Good afternoon,

There are public and private clouds. FS would obviously use a private
cloud to address privacy concerns. We use a number of cloud applications
and
have not had issues with our privacy being compromized or our devices
being
hacked. Being able to have JAWS reload user settings and configurations
from
the cloud would be a welcome feature in a future version.

Peter Donahue




Jim Hamilton via Jfw wrote:
Sorry folks! My overriding concern is "privacy", of which there is
NONE
in
the cloud! And, it's yet more information available "out there" for
anyone,
with the skills, to find about me, or anyone else!

OK; so, I'm a technical dinosaur; bbut, I'm not alone.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: David Moore [mailto:jesusloves1966@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 5:22 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Hi all,
Having all settings, scripts, and all changes we make to JAWS stored
in
the
cloud excites me a lot. If FS created a service for us to do this, We
would
never lose our settings and our own scripts ever again. I agree. Bring
it on.


-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Donahue via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 5:09 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Peter Donahue
Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Hello everyone,

For some having JAWS store your user settings in the cloud is big.
I have made this suggestion to FS for some time and would like to see
it become a reality. Your authorization code would be stored with your
user settings allowing JAWS to retrieve information such as saved
settings whenever you upgrade to a new version or install and
authorize it on another device. Bring it on FS!

Peter Donahue



Soronel Haetir via Jfw wrote:
The only possible benefit I could see of allowing jaws to save
settings to the cloud is if they loosen the licensing system so that
it is easier for a single user to use many devices.

On 11/6/15, Jim Hamilton via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
For one, I will continue to ignore requests to store "anything" in
the cloud! There is already far too much information out there,
online, about myself, and don't want any additional windows into my
life. If FS has this in mind for saving/changing our JAWS settings,
I will strongly protest.
Of
course, before protesting, I will wait to see what happens.

Jim H
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Re: Chrome and Twitter

Andre Jarreau <andre.jarreau@...>
 

Hi David,

Would you have a link to the Qube website to download Qube? I may not have
been on the right page/site.

Andre

Andre Jarreau
Business, Music & Engineering

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 4:29 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: Chrome and Twitter

Hi Andre,
I really like the Qube. I know you will too. If you have any questions at
all, please ask me. Many of the key commands use Windows + ctrl, + some
letter. Let me know if you can download it. If you press Windows + ctrl + n,
it will bring up all of the key commands, and if you tab, you can change any
key command to one that you like. Take care, and have a great one.


-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Jarreau via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 10:48 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: Chrome and Twitter

Hi David,

The Qube is most interesting and I will be checking it out. I don't know
skype but I'm sure I will be contacting you during the turn_key process.

Andre

Andre Jarreau
Business, Music and Engineering


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:44 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: Chrome and Twitter

Hi Andre,
You are so welcome. If you want a free twitter client, there are two others
that I would recommend that are just as good as Chicken Nugget. I know that
Chicken Nugget does cost money. Here are two more to check out that are
free. The first client is TW blue. The second one is one I use, and it is
called The Qube. Both of those are free downloads and are very good. I
really like the Qube, because you can use it with all key commands. You do
not have to work with the menus at all. I can send and reply to tweets so
fast using the Qube. Get a hold of me anytime at my personal email or on
Skype. My Skype ID is:
david.moore3507. Take care.


-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Jarreau via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 4:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: Chrome and Twitter

Hi David,

This is what I found using Control-L in Chrome. On my machine it works with
a minor twist. After hitting Control-L and typing or pasting a URL into the
edit field you must hit the down arrow key one time for JAWS to speak what
you have entered. Then hitting the enter key at this point takes you where
you want to go.

I'm not sure how it works on other machines but this is how it works on
mine. And works well.

Also thanks for the link for web accessible twitter and the Twitter client
Chicken Nugget you sent. I am checking out both to see which way is best.
Very encouraged and can't wait to see the podcast you come up with for
Chrome.

Andre

Andre Jarreau
Business, music and engineering
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 12:27 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: Chrome and Twitter

Hi there,
Are you trying to get to Twitter's web site? If you are, just press ctrl + L
and type www.twitter.com It should go to the Twitter web site just like any
other site. I just tried it and it did. However, the Twitter main web site
is very difficult to use.
You should try this web site:
www.easychirp.com
That is an accessible web site that links into your twitter account, but it
is much easier to navigate and to use than the main Twitter site. Even
better, is to use a client like Chicken Nugget to work with your Twitter
account, because you can send and receive tweets, reply to tweets, and all
you want to do right in a desk top program instead of being on the web at
all. Take care.


-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Jarreau via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 4:13 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: Chrome and Twitter

I may be doing something wrong. At the Google home page in Chrome I want to
go to Twitter.com and can't seem to get there. Tried keystrokes common in
IE but didn't work in Chrome.



Does anyone know the keystroke commands to get to Twitter? Thanks


Re: Crome?

David Moore
 

Hi Carliss,
Thanks much. I should have the tutorial on the list by later tonight or tomorrow during the day. I can't wait until you get it. It will be a MP3 audio tutorial. Later, I hope to get a written version of it as a text document on here. Have a great one. Google Chrome is good.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carliss via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 4:17 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Carliss
Subject: RE: Crome?

Davud!
Thanks a heap! You got it, and now I got it.
Your instructions worked to the max. I'm really waiting for the tutorial. Do
it my friend! I've been waiting for Crome.
Thanks again.


Carliss

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via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 12:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: Crome?

Hi Carlos,
It sounds like you need a home page for Chrome to open up to. Here is what
you do. When you hear JAWS Say Chrome, press the alt key. now, arrow down
through the chrom menu. When you hear settings, press enter on that. Now, A
web page will come up where you can adjust all of your settings in Chrome.
Enter on the settings tab. Now, arrow down until you hear three radio
buttons. Make sure that the third one is checked. Arrow down one more time
and it will say to select pages. Press enter on that and you can type the
URL of any page you want Chrome to open up to when you open it. This will be
your home page. I hope that helps and let me know how that works. Take care.


-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas C. DeCamp via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 9:48 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Douglas C. DeCamp
Subject: RE: Crome?

Carlos,
Not sure about your first situation, but on the one that just says chrome
you might try the F6 key to locate the search & address bar to type in a web
address.
Like IE F6 should move you thru the various parts of the Chrome screen.
-- hth ---
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Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 4:31 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Carliss
Subject: Crome?

Listers,

Need a little help here. I downloaded and installed Crome on two computers.
One of them when I open Crome I go back to where I was, on the other one
when I open Crome, I don't know where I am. Jaws just says "Crome" . Now I
know that all of this is very new but does anyone have an idea of how to
help? If so, I would greatly appreciat it a whole lot!!!

You know, I've been wanting to use google crome for a very long time.

Take care all of you.





Carliss

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Re: home page?

David Moore
 

Hi Carliss,
With Google Chrome, when you open it, press the alt key and it will say Chrome menu. Arrow down to where it says settings. Enter on settings, and a web page will come up where you can adjust all of your settings. When the web page comes up, enter on the settings tab on that page. Next, arrow down and you will find three radio buttons. Make sure that the third one is checked. Next, arrow down one more time. You will hear a link that says choose pages. Enter on this link and type in the URL of the home page you want. Close everything, and reopen Chrome. This time, it will open up to your home page. To search, just press alt + D to hi light the address bar and type any search term you want in there and press enter. Take care.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carliss via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 2:29 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Carliss
Subject: home page?

Hello Listers,

Has anyone just yet know how to create a home page? Or where to go to do a
search?



Carliss

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Re: Crome?

Carliss
 

Davud!
Thanks a heap! You got it, and now I got it.
Your instructions worked to the max. I'm really waiting for the tutorial. Do
it my friend! I've been waiting for Crome.
Thanks again.


Carliss

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 12:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: Crome?

Hi Carlos,
It sounds like you need a home page for Chrome to open up to. Here is what
you do. When you hear JAWS Say Chrome, press the alt key. now, arrow down
through the chrom menu. When you hear settings, press enter on that. Now, A
web page will come up where you can adjust all of your settings in Chrome.
Enter on the settings tab. Now, arrow down until you hear three radio
buttons. Make sure that the third one is checked. Arrow down one more time
and it will say to select pages. Press enter on that and you can type the
URL of any page you want Chrome to open up to when you open it. This will be
your home page. I hope that helps and let me know how that works. Take care.


-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas C. DeCamp via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 9:48 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Douglas C. DeCamp
Subject: RE: Crome?

Carlos,
Not sure about your first situation, but on the one that just says chrome
you might try the F6 key to locate the search & address bar to type in a web
address.
Like IE F6 should move you thru the various parts of the Chrome screen.
-- hth ---
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Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 4:31 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Carliss
Subject: Crome?

Listers,

Need a little help here. I downloaded and installed Crome on two computers.
One of them when I open Crome I go back to where I was, on the other one
when I open Crome, I don't know where I am. Jaws just says "Crome" . Now I
know that all of this is very new but does anyone have an idea of how to
help? If so, I would greatly appreciat it a whole lot!!!

You know, I've been wanting to use google crome for a very long time.

Take care all of you.





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Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Pablo Morales
 

Writing to where?
I need merge utility, I can't not be ,re writing all commands or
configurations every time, it is time consuming.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 1:23 PM
To: 'Tom Behler'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Dr. Tom Behler:

Thanks. Did you follow up by writing to the "suggestions" link in the body
of that generic response? I think that this is where the power-to-change
exists within FS.

"Power to the people!"

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 4:07 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Jim and all:

I sent my letter of discontent in early this morning, and got the generic
response.

Hopefully others will do the same.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 3:37 PM
To: 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Well, I must say that it is most gratifying to see that lots of other JAWS
users are upset with losing the Merge Utility! I hate to be the only one
screaming in the wilderness. I have already used the below link to
complain, and received the typical FS reply that someone would be in touch.
I agree that the more people who let FS know about their feelings on this,
and any other, matter, makes a lot of sense. It is the noisy wheel that
gets greased! Let's keep those cards and letters coming in!

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. [mailto:kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu]
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 11:31 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

What's the traffic volume like on the JAWS-Users group?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:41 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

Believe me, I would like to rollover & stick at least 1 of my 4 legs up 1 of
someone's ass at Freedom Scientific but, it seems like, most of the time
anyways, they don't give a rats ass about what we the consumer think & go on
their merry way! I do agree that if people complained in more volume it
might make more of an impact but, if these complaints fall upon deaf ears,
so to speak, complaining won't change anything either, just as it hasn't
changed crap like this in, forever, with FS. I can tell you 1 way of making
1 of the most important people within Fs, Eric Damry, aware of how you feel,
& that is to join another email list, Jaws-Users. Eric Damry is a member of
this list & is a somewhat frequent poster depending on the topic, to the
list. Here is the necessary link to join if interested.

To join:

jaws-users-list-join@jaws-users.com

Click on the link above, put subscribe in the subject line, leave the
message body empty, & send. You'll receive a confirmation email, reply to
it & you should be good to go.

It's not a real high traffic list.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:09 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Mike,

Understood. The temptation to roll over and stick my four legs up in the air

is sometimes strong, but over time I've found that persistence and volume
can prevail. By persistence, I mean one person demanding a fix. By volume, I

mean the more of us who complain, the more pressure FS will be under to fix
it and ensure this kind of fiasco doesn't recur.

I do recall many versions ago that the merge utility cause havoc from one
version to the next. The people at FS remember that event. I also know that
persistence doesn't always work. I've had my own frustrations with FS over
time.

But the merge utility was basic to the transition from version to version,
and most of us JAWS users depended on it. It's bad enough that we must pay
for a SMA every two versions, which FS has ensured means every two years,
but now to go through such inconvenience as well?

As for the lister who proposed a petition, let him produce one. Otherwise,
it's simple enough to write to FS and let our voices be heard. Again, the
address is

support@freedomscientific.com

I admit I don't like being a rabble-rouser, but this really is annoying.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

I agree with you &, I don't find it acceptable either but, what else are we
supposed to do? We can bitch until the cows come home & it won't change the
fact, that Freedom Scientific already knows, they are not keeping up with
their own products. I've complained about various screw-ups for many years,
& when you send them a complaint you only get back an automated kiss ass
email stating how they're working to resolve the problem. It seems to me
that they have a need to stay on some kind of schedule, & that schedule is
to put out a new version of Jaws around November of each year whether it's
ready for consumer consumption or not!
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:46 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Sorry, Mike, but I don't find this statement acceptable. Ease of transition
from version to version is important. FS should have anticipated this
concern and figured out a solution before it became our problem. As I
believe it was Aidan who pointed out, it isn't as if the new features in
JAWS 17 are exactly compelling. There are potential problems involved in
skipping a version, so I still plan to install JAWS 17 one of these days.
Once again, I encourage anyone who feels as I do to contact FS Tech Support
at

support@freedomscientific.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi All,

There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells about the
Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This comes
from What's new in Jaws 17.

Merge Utility No Longer Available

Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process. This
included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these changes,
the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from prior
versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future which
will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our
customers.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: merge utility


I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone on
the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we might
be able to get enough signitures to make an impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching
semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this point,
and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and ease
of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be
fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start all
over again with the settings they've created over the course of years? Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Re: Using thunderbird with jfw 17

Robert Logue
 

I've had that problem with Jaws 16 for a long time with Thunderbird messages. Yes. Pressing jawskey z several times to turn on the virtual cursor for all applications does the trick.

Bob

On 11/6/2015 12:07 AM, Adam Morris via Jfw wrote:
I'm having a problem where messages sometimes open but don't read.
If you press insert z quickly twice and set it to on for all applications the messages read.
You need to do this for each message that doesn't read.
Have reported to FS through my dealer.



On 06-Nov-15 06:17, Robert Logue via Jfw wrote:
My Thunderbird and Jaws tips.

View menu>toolbars:
Uncheck Mail Toolbar and Quick Filter Bar. They can get in the way.

Layout sub menu
Classic View checked
Wide View not checked
Vertical View not checked
Folder Pane checked
Folder Pane Columns not checked
Message Pane F8 not checked

NOTE: Message Pane is a preview. Pressing enter on a message in a list always opens it.

Tools>Options>Display>Advanced Tab
Open messages in:
An existing message window radio button checked
Reading
Close message window/tab on move or delete check box not checked
Note: Close message window/tab is optional. Try different settings if you wish.


HTH

Bob




----- On 10/12/2015 11:29 AM, Mark Furness via Jfw wrote:
Hi,
I just installed Mozilla Thunderbird 38 on my win 10 machine.

Does anybody have any tips for using it? For example, I can’t seem to get to my in box for the account I have configured to read mail..

Thanks!
Mark


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home page?

Carliss
 

Hello Listers,

Has anyone just yet know how to create a home page? Or where to go to do a
search?



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Re: Crome?

David Moore
 

Hi Carlos,
It sounds like you need a home page for Chrome to open up to. Here is what you do. When you hear JAWS Say Chrome, press the alt key. now, arrow down through the chrom menu. When you hear settings, press enter on that. Now, A web page will come up where you can adjust all of your settings in Chrome. Enter on the settings tab. Now, arrow down until you hear three radio buttons. Make sure that the third one is checked. Arrow down one more time and it will say to select pages. Press enter on that and you can type the URL of any page you want Chrome to open up to when you open it. This will be your home page. I hope that helps and let me know how that works. Take care.

-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas C. DeCamp via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 9:48 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Douglas C. DeCamp
Subject: RE: Crome?

Carlos,
Not sure about your first situation, but on the one that just says chrome
you might try the F6 key to locate the search & address bar to type in a web
address.
Like IE F6 should move you thru the various parts of the Chrome screen.
-- hth ---
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carliss via
Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 4:31 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Carliss
Subject: Crome?

Listers,

Need a little help here. I downloaded and installed Crome on two computers.
One of them when I open Crome I go back to where I was, on the other one
when I open Crome, I don't know where I am. Jaws just says "Crome" . Now I
know that all of this is very new but does anyone have an idea of how to
help? If so, I would greatly appreciat it a whole lot!!!

You know, I've been wanting to use google crome for a very long time.

Take care all of you.





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Re: JAWS and speech input?

Londa Peterson
 

If all you want to do is dictate text, you could use JDictate. It's also
from Brian Hartgen. My understanding is that it can work with less expensive
versions of Dragon as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 5:50 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Les Kriegler
Subject: RE: JAWS and speech input?

Ann, you can use Dragon with Jaws, but it's my understanding that you won't
receive automatic speech feedback unless you use J-Say with Dragon.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne via
Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 6:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: JAWS and speech input?

Is anyone using JAWS with a speech input program such as Dragon
dictate. is it still necessary to use J-say with Jaws and Dragon?


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Re: Crome?

Douglas C. DeCamp
 

Carlos,
Not sure about your first situation, but on the one that just says chrome
you might try the F6 key to locate the search & address bar to type in a web
address.
Like IE F6 should move you thru the various parts of the Chrome screen.
-- hth ---

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carliss via
Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 4:31 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Carliss
Subject: Crome?

Listers,

Need a little help here. I downloaded and installed Crome on two computers.
One of them when I open Crome I go back to where I was, on the other one
when I open Crome, I don't know where I am. Jaws just says "Crome" . Now I
know that all of this is very new but does anyone have an idea of how to
help? If so, I would greatly appreciat it a whole lot!!!

You know, I've been wanting to use google crome for a very long time.

Take care all of you.





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Re: Assertion that "Chrome is not ready for prime time!"

Londa Peterson
 

Thanks. That's good info.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 5:34 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: Assertion that "Chrome is not ready for prime time!"

Hi Londa,
Yes I have. It works very well in IE and Firefox, but with Chrome, it is
much better for some reason to have forms mode switched to manual. I tried
Chrome with semi forms mode, and for some reason, the search edit box is not

always there. With manual forms mode on, the search edit box is always right

there and when you press enter to go into forms mode, you can edit what you
put in the search box. Take care.


-----Original Message-----
From: Londa Peterson via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 10:32 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Londa Peterson
Subject: RE: Assertion that "Chrome is not ready for prime time!"

Hi David,
Have you tried the new semi-auto forms mode yet?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 2:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: Assertion that "Chrome is not ready for prime time!"

Hi,
Chrome has changed a great deal in the past two years. It is a different
experience totally using it now compared to even a year ago. I will have my
tutorial ready this week after I look at many different web pages and work
with it in many situations. I can tell you that all the navigation html
commands in JAWS work in chrome. Navigating a web page is very similar to
working in IE or Firefox. One thing I have found out is that Chrome works
much much better if forms mode is set to manual. If forms mode is set to
automatic, JAWS keeps going into forms mode on Chrome. You can set this
temporarily in Chrome, and change it back. Take care and I will have much
more for you this week.


-----Original Message-----
From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 12:36 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Subject: RE: Assertion that "Chrome is not ready for prime time!"

I had a terrible experience with Chrome a few years back, and have been
hesitant to try again, but probably will once I review and thoroughly
understand David Moore's podcast when it becomes available.

I certainly hope FS will take Chrome on to improve its workability with
Chrome.

Does anyone have a sense of what Google's commitment to accessibility is?
I've been under the impression it's casual at best.

Thanks, Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 12:07 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: Assertion that "Chrome is not ready for prime time!"

Hi Dennis,
I am the original person who said that Google Chrome is totally accessible.
My name is David Moore. Well, I didn't litterly mean totally accessible, and

I was very excited after working with Chrome after two days. I got carried
away. When I saw just how much more accessible Chrome has become in the last

two years, I wondered why the blind think that it is still totally
inaccessible. A lot of Chrome is accessible, much more than the blind
realize. Dennis, It is because of what you said that I have mentioned Chrome

on so many lists, and I am encouraging the blind to try it to see for
themselves just how far its accessibility has come. It still needs work, I
know. But I am asking the same question. Why is Freedom Scientific not
putting as much work into making Chrome accessible since it is by far the
most used browser in colleges and employment. It makes me wonder and I want
the blind to think about this question. I will keep quiet and just leave it
right there. By the way, Chrome is just as accessible with NVDA as it is
with JAWS. Also, the more tools you have the better off people are. Google
Chrome may not be to the point yet to make it your default browser, but it
is a good third browser to use. It is good to have two or three screen
readers as well. When it comes to streaming TV channels and so on, Chrome
beats IE and Firefox hands down. It never crashes once on me. I use Chrome
more than IE, because IE crashes almost every time I stream video with it.
It will not even open a large web site. Chrome opens large sites twice as
fast as IE. Many web sites are accessible with Chrome. I am glad people are
realizing it. If I caused a few people to try Chrome, I have done my job
which is to help all and bring what is hidden into the light. I am
contacting Freedom Scientific on Monday and asking a lot of questions about
making Chrome totally accessible and why it hasn't been done already. I urge

all of you to do the same. Enjoy Chrome for what it can do, not for what it
can not do. Take care all, and thank you Dennis for saying what you did.


-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Byrne via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 7:53 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Pat Byrne
Subject: Re: Assertion that "Chrome is not ready for prime time!"

Dennis,
Very well said.
Pat ByrneAt 06:33 PM 11/7/2015, you wrote:
Hello Gerald and others,
At Harvard and I think Stanford, Google Chrome is used in the
programming classes for web development, so they apparently do not
share Eric Damery's opinion as presented in the email post. I would be
curious to know how recently Eric made that statement. Chrome, at least
for sighted programmers is a very important program because it can
process the HTML source code from a webpage and present it in a very
"human readable" form, as opposed to simply displaying the source code
directly in its raw form. As David Malan who teaches CS50 and other web
programming courses at Harvard explains in the first class, IE and Firefox
do not provide this capability.
He doesn't care what browsers students choose to use, he simply
explains that it will be much more difficult if one does not use Chrome
to do internet programming, because of its built-in tools.

Perhaps Eric meant that Chrome is not ready for prime time for blind
people using screen readers. If so, this is obviously very bad news for
blind programmers taking CS courses at Harvard and Stanford, since
their performance will be measured against sighted students in their
classes who are using Chrome, and the blind student's productivity will
be seriously diminished and their ability to complete their assignments
on time made almost impossible without Chrome.

Likewise, if employers are using Chrome for the same reason as David
Malan, and blind programmers can't use it, they are not going to be
hired. This isn't discrimination. The employer would be correct in
concluding that the blind programmer cannot do the job as quickly and
efficiently as a sighted programmer, so to hire the blind programmer
would mean the employer is paying the same money for less software output.

I had not looked at Chrome for almost 2 years since I tried to use it
in a programming course, and at that time I found it virtually
inaccessible using Jaws. When I downloaded it again 2 days ago after
reading an earlier email stating that it is now "totally accessible," I
was very pleased and surprised at the current level of Chrome's
accessibility. Prior to this, I believed their was something about the
way Chrome was programmed that made it inherently incompatible with
screen readers, but this is clearly not the case.

If Eric actually believes "Chrome isn't ready for prime time", then
this would explain and justify an anemic effort by Freedom Scientific
to support Chrome, since no company would spend development capital to
support a product which it believes is never going to take hold, or
won't mature for a substantial time.

But corporate decision making and assignment of priorities most times
falls somewhere between mysterious and inexplicable, and is too often
motivated by attempts to gain market advantage, or based on hidden
corporate alliances. Who can know? It has become a common practice for
salesmen to disparage products they don't sell or can't support, as
well as disparaging their own older products when they are now trying to
sell their new ones.

I hope Jaws users will download Chrome, try to systematically find its
deficiencies with Jaws, and send this information to Freedom Scientific
so that Chrome can be made as close to 100 percent accessible as is
possible using a screen reader. for us as blind people, software like
Chrome is a matter of employment instead of unemployment. When I
obtained my MS in computer science in 1984, virtually all computer jobs
were available to me, because all programming environments were 100
percent accessible to me using my Braille computer terminal and an Optacon
to fill in the gaps.

Today, so much software is inaccessible at a level necessary for
employment, that it has become increasingly difficult for us to find
and keep jobs of any sort, because most jobs involve using a computer.
And as many on this list know through personal experience, that which
is accessible today, can easily become inaccessible tomorrow simply
because a vendor chooses to release a software upgrade, with
unemployment being the result. When the blind employee can no longer
perform his job, what is the employer's alternative? The employer is
powerless to fix the problem, since they don't write the application
software or the screen reader programs.
Even if the employer doesn't wish to upgrade because of the effect it
will have on the blind employee, a small employer will ultimately have
no choice because the software vendor will stop support for the old
product to force the business to buy the new product.

I think it is critical that we as customers let Freedom Scientific know
what products we need to be made accessible, otherwise they can only guess.
This isn't their fault. By definition, they work for a small software
company, so the jobs they see and experience are in that environment,
and their priorities are established from that vantage point. If your a
blind lawyer and you cannot get or keep a job at a mega law firm
because the new law firm billing software is not accessible, this is
something FS won't experience and won't know about. Likewise, if you're
a financial advisor and you cannot get or keep a job at a Wall Street
firm or mega bank, FS will not know what job critical software must be
made accessible unless they are told. These are examples of the places
where jobs are located, and we cannot get and keep those jobs if we are
unable to use the software on which the jobs are based. Last time I
checked into this, most of the corporate networks for these large firms
are still running Windows XP, very old versions of MS Office, and the
inaccessible applications they are running are not Microsoft products.
I would be curious to know how much money and effort FS has spent on IE
11 accessibility as opposed to Google Chrome.

Just my 2 cents worth, but accounting for inflation may be worth 4
cents, though probably not quite that much.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Levy via Jfw"
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Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites



Which explains why Eric Damery still advises JAWS users to avoid Chrome.
As far as he is concerned, Chrome is still not ready yet for prime time.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 10:51 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites

Hi.

I can't get favorites, which Chrome calls bookmarks, to work as
quickly as they do in IE. Here's what I've figured out so far. I hope
the gaps can be filled in.

You get to bookmarks by pressing alt for the menu, then arrowing down.
Press enter on bookmarks. Here, I'm told that the shortcut
control-shift-b brings up bookmarks, but that shortcut isn't working
on my system when I'm outside this menu. Each time I have to go through
the menu.

In IE, I press alt-a to bring up my favorites list, and first-letter
navigation works. I can't find anything this simple using Chrome.

One item in the bookmarks submenu allows you to import favorites settings.
I clicked on this, tabbed through the options, and was told at the end
that I was successful. However, nothing seems to have been imported.

Any ideas?
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Re: Google Chrome and Youtube

Londa Peterson
 

No, I don't use Chrome. I use Internet explorer. I'm looking forward to your
tutorial though. I plan on giving it a try.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 5:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: Google Chrome and Youtube

Hi all,
From what I understand, Londa is using Google Chrome to hear this
information. This is just one more advantage of using Chrome over using IE.
That is what Londa means. Take care.


-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Clark via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 11:41 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dennis Clark
Subject: Re: Google Chrome and Youtube

Hello Londa,
I'm understanding from your post that using IE on youtube, you hear Jaws
announce a button which can be pressed to stop an advertisement from
playing, as well as how long the advertisement is, and how much of it has
already played. I don't hear this with IE, and several others have said they
don't either. Which version of IE are you using, and also which version of
Jaws? These specifics will help those of us who are trying to track down the
assortment of differences in the various browsers using different versions
of Jaws. Thanks for your help.
Dennis

----- Original Message -----
From: "Londa Peterson via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Londa Peterson" <lpeterson@vrocp.org>
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 7:36 AM
Subject: RE: Google Chrome and Youtube


This definitely works in IE. I haven't tried it with Firefox.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Clark
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dennis Clark
Subject: Google Chrome and Youtube

Hello Everyone,
While going to several youtube videos using Chrome, I noticed something
that
I had not noticed before using IE or Firefox. When the page launched, an
advertisement started to play, but in the background I could hear Jaws
announce that an advertisement was playing and that it could be stopped.
As
I arrowed down, I could make out that there was a button to stop the
advertisement, and when I pressed the space bar, the advertisement stopped
instantly and the Youtube video immediately started playing. I am not
using
the latest IE or Firefox, so it is possible that each of these browsers
report the same information, but this is the first time I have heard the
stop option. It also reports the length of the advertisement and how much
has already played. I'm curious to know if what I have described is
present
with the current versions of IE and or Firefox.
Thanks,
Dennis
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Re: Dealing with embedded attachments in Outlook 2013 messages & JAWS 16

Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
 

Sometimes I've had success forwarding the article with the embedded attachments to myself, and the resulting message had the attachment in the usual attachment location above the message text, and below the subject line. Doesn't always work for me, though. Keith

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 7:18 AM
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Cc: Kimber Gardner
Subject: Re: Dealing with embedded attachments in Outlook 2013 messages & JAWS 16

Have you tried going to the file tab then arrowing down to save all attachments? Sometimes that method works for me.

Kimber

On 11/6/15, Castonguay, Guy (SSC/SPC) via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Greetings,
I cannot access attachments when using Outlook in Office 2013. I am
guessing that they are embedded. Anyone encountered this behaviour? Any work around?

Regards
Guy


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