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Re: Which Firefox and Crome versions with JAWS 12.

Brad Martin
 

I can't address JAWS 12 with anything. But JAWS 15 works fine with IE 10--probably even marginally better than with IE 11. As for the "edit field" issue, I don't have one, and never have.

Brad Martin

On 7/21/2015 9:12 PM, Tusing via Jfw wrote:
Hi and thanks in advance.


How well does JAWS 12 work with

Firefox version 39, and

With Crome version 43?


Also has any one successfully used JAWS 15 with I E 10?


Has the editfield issue with JAWS 15 on web pages been solved?


Thanks.

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Re: Which Firefox and Crome versions with JAWS 12.

Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@...>
 

Since Crome is a modern browser, I don't know if JAWS 12 works with any
version. However, even if it does, the support is probably very basic.

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Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:13 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Tusing <ptusing@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Which Firefox and Crome versions with JAWS 12.

Hi and thanks in advance.



How well does JAWS 12 work with

Firefox version 39, and

With Crome version 43?



Also has any one successfully used JAWS 15 with I E 10?



Has the editfield issue with JAWS 15 on web pages been solved?



Thanks.

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Re: PDF documents

Greg Nickel
 

Very interesting...Thanks again.
Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:25 PM
To: Greg Nickel via Jfw
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: PDF documents

You are welcome. I intended for that to go off list; hope this does.

I forgot to tell you that you lay your forefinger in the stimulator array
and use your right hand to maneuver the camera. There are two adjusting
knobs just above the stimulator array, the lower to adjust the thickness or

thinness of the material and the upper one to adjust the intensity of the
vibrations. In the back of it, there is a switch to reverse background and
image.


Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Nickel via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Greg Nickel" <greg.nickel.works@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Thanks Carolyn. I'll check it out.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:17 PM
To: Greg Nickel via Jfw
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: PDF documents

Greg, Optacon stands for optical to tacticle converter. I use the Optacon
R1D. It is an electronic device which is about the size of a text book. In
back of the machine is either a charger cord or just an electrical cord,
if
you have one without batteries. The machine is encased in a leather case
that snaps open and shut.

In front of it, there is a cable on it that feels sort of like a heavy
duty
headset cable. At the end of this approximately 18
inch long cable is a camera that is about the size of a pocket knife.
There
is a little knob at the top of the camera, so that the user can adjust it
to

accommodate print size.

Inside the main body of the Optacon toward the right side, as the device
faces you, there is a sort of metallic area that is about maybe an inch
across by two inches in length. This is called the stimulator array, and
it
contains 144 pins in six rows of 24pens. These
pins vibrate, as the shutter photographs the character where the camera is
place. So the user has a vibrating image of a printed letter, line, as in
a
9 x 12 room. In such a situation, different maneuvering of the camera is
required rather than reading across a straight line of printed material.

The device is a life saver for reading items like utility bills, getting
slip in window envelope correctly, checking to see if a pen writes, then
checking signature, checking to see the number on a check, and I could go
on
and on.

The Optacon is 70's technology. There is an Optacon Users' group:

optacon-l@freelists.org

It is a good idea to place maybe a telephone book across a page that maybe
you printed from the computer, so that you would be familiar with the
material to start to learn to read. If you don't know the print alphabet,
you could type it on the computer, one line in caps and one not in caps,
as
well as a line with numbers and then punctuations, followed by writing
what
the punctuation mark represents. If you know print, of course, that will
make
it easier. It takes some practice, which can be taxing to build the skill
needed to use the Optacon, but it is well worth the energy investment.

I will also give you information to where you can look into buying one,
and
the man will answer any questions. He is very well thought of by Optacon
users. His name is Richard Oehm.

oehmelec@samobile.net

Richard Oehm

Oehm Electronics

2194C Galveston Avenue

San Jose, California 95122-3617

Telephone: (408) 971-6250

Fax: (408) 271-9188



Feel free to contact me further in this regard, and I would encourage you
to

join the Optacon Users' list, which, by the way, has been very quiet
lately.

Perhaps you could scan some of the archives.



Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Nickel via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Greg Nickel" <greg.nickel.works@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Hi Carolyn

Can you tell me more about the Opticon and how it works for you? Happy
to
chat off forum at greg.nickel.works@gmail.com




-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:14 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: PDF documents

With an Optacon, I can read floor plans.

Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

----- Original Message -----
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Greg Nickel" <greg.nickel.works@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:24 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Can you tell me if JAWS 16converts the pictures into text boxes on the
Word
doc?

On the idea of conveying a picture other than visually, I could see a
tactile display coming in handy is for technical drawings like
architectural
or
otherwise that are line based drawings.

I do a lot of work with architectural and for now I have someone draw
over
the lines with a vinyl tactile marking tube. Any other ideas that might
be
better?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

When you come down to it, how do you read a picture anyway? Sure, you
can
extract text, but how do you read, for example, a photograph? Place a
center fold on a scanner, and a male synth will emit a deep heart-felt
sigh!
All kidding aside, how could a screen reader convey meaningful
information.
I suppose a tactile display might be able to do it two-dimensionally.

Ted

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Jarreau
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:19 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF
including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the
document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were
readable by Jaws but they are not.
I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like
BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind
people.
I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described
as
being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than
that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market.

Andre
-----Original Message-----
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Nickel
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:31 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Greg Nickel
Subject: RE: PDF documents

How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I
have
been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but
converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it
does
it as accurately as you say.
because

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre
Jarreau
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:20 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into
Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were
written
in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps
this
one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful.

Andre
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course,
that
was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a
bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old
Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable,
thanks
to 16.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre
Jarreau
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:57 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive
document
around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and
reads
with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into
text. That is often a mess as you say.
Andre

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was
accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file.
Even
when it works, it's not the most attractive document around.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White
via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:31 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: PDF documents

That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the
document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR
software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille
if
she can upload the document.

I'll include the link for her here.

http://robobraille.org/

Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Andre Jarreau" <andre.jarreau@earthlink.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:25 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF.
Then
I
selected all using control-A. Then copied and pasted directly into a
blank Word doc. Then saved the Word Doc under the book title name.
Now it opens in Word remarkably fast and reads very well. It might be
searchable.
Hope
this helps.

I use latest J16, Office and Word 2010 on my I5 Dell laptop.

Best

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann
Byrne via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Ann Byrne
Subject: Re: PDF documents

If you have JAWS 16, have it convert the document for you. Press
insert-spacebar, then the letter o for optical character recognition,
then d for document, and let it run. When JAWS has finished, the
document is not only readable, but it can be copied and saved into
another form, such as Word or text.

good luck!
At 08:30 PM 7/15/2015, you wrote:
My office has a program that is supposed to convert pdf documents to
searchable text. The issue is that my sighted colleague said that
she could do a search of this one large document and find different
words in
it.
However JAWS just read "graphic" Graphic" and gave me some numbers of
the graphics. I'm wondering what is happening here, does anyone have
any
ideas?
Thanks!

Bar




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Which Firefox and Crome versions with JAWS 12.

Tusing <ptusing@...>
 

Hi and thanks in advance.



How well does JAWS 12 work with

Firefox version 39, and

With Crome version 43?



Also has any one successfully used JAWS 15 with I E 10?



Has the editfield issue with JAWS 15 on web pages been solved?



Thanks.

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Re: PDF documents -last one on this, sorry, obviously Insert Shift R didn't work although it said it did.

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Best to you from,

Carolyn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "Greg Nickel via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: PDF documents


You are welcome. I intended for that to go off list; hope this does.

I forgot to tell you that you lay your forefinger in the stimulator array
and use your right hand to maneuver the camera. There are two adjusting
knobs just above the stimulator array, the lower to adjust the thickness or
thinness of the material and the upper one to adjust the intensity of the
vibrations. In the back of it, there is a switch to reverse background and
image.


Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Nickel via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Greg Nickel" <greg.nickel.works@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Thanks Carolyn. I'll check it out.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:17 PM
To: Greg Nickel via Jfw
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: PDF documents

Greg, Optacon stands for optical to tacticle converter. I use the Optacon
R1D. It is an electronic device which is about the size of a text book. In
back of the machine is either a charger cord or just an electrical cord,
if
you have one without batteries. The machine is encased in a leather case
that snaps open and shut.

In front of it, there is a cable on it that feels sort of like a heavy
duty
headset cable. At the end of this approximately 18
inch long cable is a camera that is about the size of a pocket knife.
There
is a little knob at the top of the camera, so that the user can adjust it
to

accommodate print size.

Inside the main body of the Optacon toward the right side, as the device
faces you, there is a sort of metallic area that is about maybe an inch
across by two inches in length. This is called the stimulator array, and
it
contains 144 pins in six rows of 24pens. These
pins vibrate, as the shutter photographs the character where the camera is
place. So the user has a vibrating image of a printed letter, line, as in
a
9 x 12 room. In such a situation, different maneuvering of the camera is
required rather than reading across a straight line of printed material.

The device is a life saver for reading items like utility bills, getting
slip in window envelope correctly, checking to see if a pen writes, then
checking signature, checking to see the number on a check, and I could go
on
and on.

The Optacon is 70's technology. There is an Optacon Users' group:

optacon-l@freelists.org

It is a good idea to place maybe a telephone book across a page that maybe
you printed from the computer, so that you would be familiar with the
material to start to learn to read. If you don't know the print alphabet,
you could type it on the computer, one line in caps and one not in caps,
as
well as a line with numbers and then punctuations, followed by writing
what
the punctuation mark represents. If you know print, of course, that will
make
it easier. It takes some practice, which can be taxing to build the skill
needed to use the Optacon, but it is well worth the energy investment.

I will also give you information to where you can look into buying one,
and
the man will answer any questions. He is very well thought of by Optacon
users. His name is Richard Oehm.

oehmelec@samobile.net

Richard Oehm

Oehm Electronics

2194C Galveston Avenue

San Jose, California 95122-3617

Telephone: (408) 971-6250

Fax: (408) 271-9188



Feel free to contact me further in this regard, and I would encourage you
to

join the Optacon Users' list, which, by the way, has been very quiet
lately.

Perhaps you could scan some of the archives.



Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Nickel via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Greg Nickel" <greg.nickel.works@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Hi Carolyn

Can you tell me more about the Opticon and how it works for you? Happy
to
chat off forum at greg.nickel.works@gmail.com




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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:14 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: PDF documents

With an Optacon, I can read floor plans.

Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Greg Nickel" <greg.nickel.works@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:24 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Can you tell me if JAWS 16converts the pictures into text boxes on the
Word
doc?

On the idea of conveying a picture other than visually, I could see a
tactile display coming in handy is for technical drawings like
architectural
or
otherwise that are line based drawings.

I do a lot of work with architectural and for now I have someone draw
over
the lines with a vinyl tactile marking tube. Any other ideas that might
be
better?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

When you come down to it, how do you read a picture anyway? Sure, you
can
extract text, but how do you read, for example, a photograph? Place a
center fold on a scanner, and a male synth will emit a deep heart-felt
sigh!
All kidding aside, how could a screen reader convey meaningful
information.
I suppose a tactile display might be able to do it two-dimensionally.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre
Jarreau
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:19 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF
including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the
document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were
readable by Jaws but they are not.
I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like
BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind
people.
I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described
as
being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than
that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market.

Andre
-----Original Message-----
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Nickel
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:31 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Greg Nickel
Subject: RE: PDF documents

How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I
have
been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but
converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it
does
it as accurately as you say.
because

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre
Jarreau
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:20 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into
Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were
written
in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps
this
one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful.

Andre
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Subject: RE: PDF documents

No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course,
that
was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a
bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old
Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable,
thanks
to 16.

Ted

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Jarreau
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Subject: RE: PDF documents

Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive
document
around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and
reads
with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into
text. That is often a mess as you say.
Andre

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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
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Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was
accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file.
Even
when it works, it's not the most attractive document around.

Ted

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Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:31 PM
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Subject: Re: PDF documents

That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the
document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR
software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille
if
she can upload the document.

I'll include the link for her here.

http://robobraille.org/

Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:25 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF.
Then
I
selected all using control-A. Then copied and pasted directly into a
blank Word doc. Then saved the Word Doc under the book title name.
Now it opens in Word remarkably fast and reads very well. It might be
searchable.
Hope
this helps.

I use latest J16, Office and Word 2010 on my I5 Dell laptop.

Best

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Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:57 PM
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Subject: Re: PDF documents

If you have JAWS 16, have it convert the document for you. Press
insert-spacebar, then the letter o for optical character recognition,
then d for document, and let it run. When JAWS has finished, the
document is not only readable, but it can be copied and saved into
another form, such as Word or text.

good luck!
At 08:30 PM 7/15/2015, you wrote:
My office has a program that is supposed to convert pdf documents to
searchable text. The issue is that my sighted colleague said that
she could do a search of this one large document and find different
words in
it.
However JAWS just read "graphic" Graphic" and gave me some numbers of
the graphics. I'm wondering what is happening here, does anyone have
any
ideas?
Thanks!

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Re: PDF documents

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

You are welcome. I intended for that to go off list; hope this does.

I forgot to tell you that you lay your forefinger in the stimulator array and use your right hand to maneuver the camera. There are two adjusting knobs just above the stimulator array, the lower to adjust the thickness or thinness of the material and the upper one to adjust the intensity of the vibrations. In the back of it, there is a switch to reverse background and image.


Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Greg Nickel" <greg.nickel.works@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Thanks Carolyn. I'll check it out.


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via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:17 PM
To: Greg Nickel via Jfw
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: PDF documents

Greg, Optacon stands for optical to tacticle converter. I use the Optacon
R1D. It is an electronic device which is about the size of a text book. In
back of the machine is either a charger cord or just an electrical cord, if
you have one without batteries. The machine is encased in a leather case
that snaps open and shut.

In front of it, there is a cable on it that feels sort of like a heavy duty
headset cable. At the end of this approximately 18
inch long cable is a camera that is about the size of a pocket knife. There
is a little knob at the top of the camera, so that the user can adjust it to

accommodate print size.

Inside the main body of the Optacon toward the right side, as the device
faces you, there is a sort of metallic area that is about maybe an inch
across by two inches in length. This is called the stimulator array, and it
contains 144 pins in six rows of 24pens. These
pins vibrate, as the shutter photographs the character where the camera is
place. So the user has a vibrating image of a printed letter, line, as in a
9 x 12 room. In such a situation, different maneuvering of the camera is
required rather than reading across a straight line of printed material.

The device is a life saver for reading items like utility bills, getting
slip in window envelope correctly, checking to see if a pen writes, then
checking signature, checking to see the number on a check, and I could go on
and on.

The Optacon is 70's technology. There is an Optacon Users' group:

optacon-l@freelists.org

It is a good idea to place maybe a telephone book across a page that maybe
you printed from the computer, so that you would be familiar with the
material to start to learn to read. If you don't know the print alphabet,
you could type it on the computer, one line in caps and one not in caps, as
well as a line with numbers and then punctuations, followed by writing what
the punctuation mark represents. If you know print, of course, that will
make
it easier. It takes some practice, which can be taxing to build the skill
needed to use the Optacon, but it is well worth the energy investment.

I will also give you information to where you can look into buying one, and
the man will answer any questions. He is very well thought of by Optacon
users. His name is Richard Oehm.

oehmelec@samobile.net

Richard Oehm

Oehm Electronics

2194C Galveston Avenue

San Jose, California 95122-3617

Telephone: (408) 971-6250

Fax: (408) 271-9188



Feel free to contact me further in this regard, and I would encourage you to

join the Optacon Users' list, which, by the way, has been very quiet lately.

Perhaps you could scan some of the archives.



Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Greg Nickel" <greg.nickel.works@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Hi Carolyn

Can you tell me more about the Opticon and how it works for you? Happy to
chat off forum at greg.nickel.works@gmail.com




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Arnold
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Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:14 PM
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Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: PDF documents

With an Optacon, I can read floor plans.

Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

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Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:24 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Can you tell me if JAWS 16converts the pictures into text boxes on the
Word
doc?

On the idea of conveying a picture other than visually, I could see a
tactile display coming in handy is for technical drawings like
architectural
or
otherwise that are line based drawings.

I do a lot of work with architectural and for now I have someone draw
over
the lines with a vinyl tactile marking tube. Any other ideas that might
be
better?
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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:18 PM
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Subject: RE: PDF documents

When you come down to it, how do you read a picture anyway? Sure, you
can
extract text, but how do you read, for example, a photograph? Place a
center fold on a scanner, and a male synth will emit a deep heart-felt
sigh!
All kidding aside, how could a screen reader convey meaningful
information.
I suppose a tactile display might be able to do it two-dimensionally.

Ted

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Subject: RE: PDF documents

I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF
including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the
document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were
readable by Jaws but they are not.
I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like
BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind
people.
I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described
as
being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than
that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market.

Andre
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How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I
have
been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but
converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it
does
it as accurately as you say.
because

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Jarreau
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Subject: RE: PDF documents

Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into
Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were
written
in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps
this
one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful.

Andre
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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:14 AM
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Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course,
that
was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a
bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old
Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable,
thanks
to 16.

Ted

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Jarreau
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Subject: RE: PDF documents

Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive
document
around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and
reads
with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into
text. That is often a mess as you say.
Andre

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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:30 PM
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Subject: RE: PDF documents

Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was
accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file.
Even
when it works, it's not the most attractive document around.

Ted

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via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:31 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: PDF documents

That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the
document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR
software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille
if
she can upload the document.

I'll include the link for her here.

http://robobraille.org/

Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:25 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF.
Then
I
selected all using control-A. Then copied and pasted directly into a
blank Word doc. Then saved the Word Doc under the book title name.
Now it opens in Word remarkably fast and reads very well. It might be
searchable.
Hope
this helps.

I use latest J16, Office and Word 2010 on my I5 Dell laptop.

Best

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Byrne via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Ann Byrne
Subject: Re: PDF documents

If you have JAWS 16, have it convert the document for you. Press
insert-spacebar, then the letter o for optical character recognition,
then d for document, and let it run. When JAWS has finished, the
document is not only readable, but it can be copied and saved into
another form, such as Word or text.

good luck!
At 08:30 PM 7/15/2015, you wrote:
My office has a program that is supposed to convert pdf documents to
searchable text. The issue is that my sighted colleague said that
she could do a search of this one large document and find different
words in
it.
However JAWS just read "graphic" Graphic" and gave me some numbers of
the graphics. I'm wondering what is happening here, does anyone have
any
ideas?
Thanks!

Bar




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Re: PDF documents - sincere apologies - hit Insert Shift R; guess it does not always work.

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

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To: "Greg Nickel via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: PDF documents


Greg, Optacon stands for optical to tacticle converter. I use the Optacon
R1D. It is an electronic device which is about the size of a text book. In back of the machine is either a charger cord or just an electrical cord, if you have one without batteries. The machine is encased in a leather case that snaps open and shut.

In front of it, there is a cable on it that feels sort of like a heavy duty headset cable. At the end of this approximately 18
inch long cable is a camera that is about the size of a pocket knife. There
is a little knob at the top of the camera, so that the user can adjust it to accommodate print size.

Inside the main body of the Optacon toward the right side, as the device
faces you, there is a sort of metallic area that is about maybe an inch
across by two inches in length. This is called the stimulator array, and it contains 144 pins in six rows of 24pens. These
pins vibrate, as the shutter photographs the character where the camera is
place. So the user has a vibrating image of a printed letter, line, as in a
9 x 12 room. In such a situation, different maneuvering of the camera is required rather than reading across a straight line of printed material.

The device is a life saver for reading items like utility bills, getting
slip in window envelope correctly, checking to see if a pen writes, then
checking signature, checking to see the number on a check, and I could go on
and on.

The Optacon is 70's technology. There is an Optacon Users' group:

optacon-l@freelists.org

It is a good idea to place maybe a telephone book across a page that maybe
you printed from the computer, so that you would be familiar with the
material to start to learn to read. If you don't know the print alphabet,
you could type it on the computer, one line in caps and one not in caps, as well as a line with numbers and then punctuations, followed by writing what the punctuation mark represents. If you know print, of course, that will make
it easier. It takes some practice, which can be taxing to build the skill
needed to use the Optacon, but it is well worth the energy investment.

I will also give you information to where you can look into buying one, and
the man will answer any questions. He is very well thought of by Optacon
users. His name is Richard Oehm.

oehmelec@samobile.net

Richard Oehm

Oehm Electronics

2194C Galveston Avenue

San Jose, California 95122-3617

Telephone: (408) 971-6250

Fax: (408) 271-9188



Feel free to contact me further in this regard, and I would encourage you to join the Optacon Users' list, which, by the way, has been very quiet lately. Perhaps you could scan some of the archives.



Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Greg Nickel" <greg.nickel.works@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Hi Carolyn

Can you tell me more about the Opticon and how it works for you? Happy to
chat off forum at greg.nickel.works@gmail.com




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Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:14 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: PDF documents

With an Optacon, I can read floor plans.

Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Greg Nickel" <greg.nickel.works@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:24 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Can you tell me if JAWS 16converts the pictures into text boxes on the
Word
doc?

On the idea of conveying a picture other than visually, I could see a
tactile display coming in handy is for technical drawings like
architectural
or
otherwise that are line based drawings.

I do a lot of work with architectural and for now I have someone draw
over
the lines with a vinyl tactile marking tube. Any other ideas that might
be
better?
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Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

When you come down to it, how do you read a picture anyway? Sure, you
can
extract text, but how do you read, for example, a photograph? Place a
center fold on a scanner, and a male synth will emit a deep heart-felt
sigh!
All kidding aside, how could a screen reader convey meaningful
information.
I suppose a tactile display might be able to do it two-dimensionally.

Ted

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Jarreau
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:19 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF
including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the
document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were
readable by Jaws but they are not.
I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like
BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind
people.
I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described
as
being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than
that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market.

Andre
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via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:31 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Greg Nickel
Subject: RE: PDF documents

How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I
have
been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but
converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it
does
it as accurately as you say.
because

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Jarreau
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:20 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into
Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were
written
in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps
this
one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful.

Andre
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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course,
that
was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a
bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old
Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable,
thanks
to 16.

Ted

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Jarreau
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:57 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive
document
around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and
reads
with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into
text. That is often a mess as you say.
Andre

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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was
accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file.
Even
when it works, it's not the most attractive document around.

Ted

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via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:31 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: PDF documents

That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the
document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR
software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille
if
she can upload the document.

I'll include the link for her here.

http://robobraille.org/

Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:25 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF.
Then
I
selected all using control-A. Then copied and pasted directly into a
blank Word doc. Then saved the Word Doc under the book title name.
Now it opens in Word remarkably fast and reads very well. It might be
searchable.
Hope
this helps.

I use latest J16, Office and Word 2010 on my I5 Dell laptop.

Best

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Byrne via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Ann Byrne
Subject: Re: PDF documents

If you have JAWS 16, have it convert the document for you. Press
insert-spacebar, then the letter o for optical character recognition,
then d for document, and let it run. When JAWS has finished, the
document is not only readable, but it can be copied and saved into
another form, such as Word or text.

good luck!
At 08:30 PM 7/15/2015, you wrote:
My office has a program that is supposed to convert pdf documents to
searchable text. The issue is that my sighted colleague said that
she could do a search of this one large document and find different
words in
it.
However JAWS just read "graphic" Graphic" and gave me some numbers of
the graphics. I'm wondering what is happening here, does anyone have
any
ideas?
Thanks!

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Re: PDF documents

Greg Nickel
 

Thanks Carolyn. I'll check it out.

-----Original Message-----
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via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:17 PM
To: Greg Nickel via Jfw
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: PDF documents

Greg, Optacon stands for optical to tacticle converter. I use the Optacon
R1D. It is an electronic device which is about the size of a text book. In
back of the machine is either a charger cord or just an electrical cord, if
you have one without batteries. The machine is encased in a leather case
that snaps open and shut.

In front of it, there is a cable on it that feels sort of like a heavy duty
headset cable. At the end of this approximately 18
inch long cable is a camera that is about the size of a pocket knife. There
is a little knob at the top of the camera, so that the user can adjust it to

accommodate print size.

Inside the main body of the Optacon toward the right side, as the device
faces you, there is a sort of metallic area that is about maybe an inch
across by two inches in length. This is called the stimulator array, and it
contains 144 pins in six rows of 24pens. These
pins vibrate, as the shutter photographs the character where the camera is
place. So the user has a vibrating image of a printed letter, line, as in a
9 x 12 room. In such a situation, different maneuvering of the camera is
required rather than reading across a straight line of printed material.

The device is a life saver for reading items like utility bills, getting
slip in window envelope correctly, checking to see if a pen writes, then
checking signature, checking to see the number on a check, and I could go on
and on.

The Optacon is 70's technology. There is an Optacon Users' group:

optacon-l@freelists.org

It is a good idea to place maybe a telephone book across a page that maybe
you printed from the computer, so that you would be familiar with the
material to start to learn to read. If you don't know the print alphabet,
you could type it on the computer, one line in caps and one not in caps, as
well as a line with numbers and then punctuations, followed by writing what
the punctuation mark represents. If you know print, of course, that will
make
it easier. It takes some practice, which can be taxing to build the skill
needed to use the Optacon, but it is well worth the energy investment.

I will also give you information to where you can look into buying one, and
the man will answer any questions. He is very well thought of by Optacon
users. His name is Richard Oehm.

oehmelec@samobile.net

Richard Oehm

Oehm Electronics

2194C Galveston Avenue

San Jose, California 95122-3617

Telephone: (408) 971-6250

Fax: (408) 271-9188



Feel free to contact me further in this regard, and I would encourage you to

join the Optacon Users' list, which, by the way, has been very quiet lately.

Perhaps you could scan some of the archives.



Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Nickel via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Greg Nickel" <greg.nickel.works@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Hi Carolyn

Can you tell me more about the Opticon and how it works for you? Happy to
chat off forum at greg.nickel.works@gmail.com




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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:14 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: PDF documents

With an Optacon, I can read floor plans.

Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Greg Nickel" <greg.nickel.works@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:24 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Can you tell me if JAWS 16converts the pictures into text boxes on the
Word
doc?

On the idea of conveying a picture other than visually, I could see a
tactile display coming in handy is for technical drawings like
architectural
or
otherwise that are line based drawings.

I do a lot of work with architectural and for now I have someone draw
over
the lines with a vinyl tactile marking tube. Any other ideas that might
be
better?
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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

When you come down to it, how do you read a picture anyway? Sure, you
can
extract text, but how do you read, for example, a photograph? Place a
center fold on a scanner, and a male synth will emit a deep heart-felt
sigh!
All kidding aside, how could a screen reader convey meaningful
information.
I suppose a tactile display might be able to do it two-dimensionally.

Ted

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre
Jarreau
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:19 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF
including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the
document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were
readable by Jaws but they are not.
I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like
BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind
people.
I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described
as
being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than
that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market.

Andre
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via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:31 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Greg Nickel
Subject: RE: PDF documents

How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I
have
been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but
converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it
does
it as accurately as you say.
because

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Jarreau
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:20 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into
Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were
written
in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps
this
one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful.

Andre
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course,
that
was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a
bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old
Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable,
thanks
to 16.

Ted

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre
Jarreau
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:57 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive
document
around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and
reads
with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into
text. That is often a mess as you say.
Andre

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was
accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file.
Even
when it works, it's not the most attractive document around.

Ted

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White
via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:31 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: PDF documents

That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the
document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR
software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille
if
she can upload the document.

I'll include the link for her here.

http://robobraille.org/

Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Andre Jarreau" <andre.jarreau@earthlink.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:25 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF.
Then
I
selected all using control-A. Then copied and pasted directly into a
blank Word doc. Then saved the Word Doc under the book title name.
Now it opens in Word remarkably fast and reads very well. It might be
searchable.
Hope
this helps.

I use latest J16, Office and Word 2010 on my I5 Dell laptop.

Best

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann
Byrne via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Ann Byrne
Subject: Re: PDF documents

If you have JAWS 16, have it convert the document for you. Press
insert-spacebar, then the letter o for optical character recognition,
then d for document, and let it run. When JAWS has finished, the
document is not only readable, but it can be copied and saved into
another form, such as Word or text.

good luck!
At 08:30 PM 7/15/2015, you wrote:
My office has a program that is supposed to convert pdf documents to
searchable text. The issue is that my sighted colleague said that
she could do a search of this one large document and find different
words in
it.
However JAWS just read "graphic" Graphic" and gave me some numbers of
the graphics. I'm wondering what is happening here, does anyone have
any
ideas?
Thanks!

Bar




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Re: PDF documents

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Greg, Optacon stands for optical to tacticle converter. I use the Optacon
R1D. It is an electronic device which is about the size of a text book. In back of the machine is either a charger cord or just an electrical cord, if you have one without batteries. The machine is encased in a leather case that snaps open and shut.

In front of it, there is a cable on it that feels sort of like a heavy duty headset cable. At the end of this approximately 18
inch long cable is a camera that is about the size of a pocket knife. There
is a little knob at the top of the camera, so that the user can adjust it to accommodate print size.

Inside the main body of the Optacon toward the right side, as the device
faces you, there is a sort of metallic area that is about maybe an inch
across by two inches in length. This is called the stimulator array, and it contains 144 pins in six rows of 24pens. These
pins vibrate, as the shutter photographs the character where the camera is
place. So the user has a vibrating image of a printed letter, line, as in a
9 x 12 room. In such a situation, different maneuvering of the camera is required rather than reading across a straight line of printed material.

The device is a life saver for reading items like utility bills, getting
slip in window envelope correctly, checking to see if a pen writes, then
checking signature, checking to see the number on a check, and I could go on
and on.

The Optacon is 70's technology. There is an Optacon Users' group:

optacon-l@freelists.org

It is a good idea to place maybe a telephone book across a page that maybe
you printed from the computer, so that you would be familiar with the
material to start to learn to read. If you don't know the print alphabet,
you could type it on the computer, one line in caps and one not in caps, as well as a line with numbers and then punctuations, followed by writing what the punctuation mark represents. If you know print, of course, that will make
it easier. It takes some practice, which can be taxing to build the skill
needed to use the Optacon, but it is well worth the energy investment.

I will also give you information to where you can look into buying one, and
the man will answer any questions. He is very well thought of by Optacon
users. His name is Richard Oehm.

oehmelec@samobile.net

Richard Oehm

Oehm Electronics

2194C Galveston Avenue

San Jose, California 95122-3617

Telephone: (408) 971-6250

Fax: (408) 271-9188



Feel free to contact me further in this regard, and I would encourage you to join the Optacon Users' list, which, by the way, has been very quiet lately. Perhaps you could scan some of the archives.



Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

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From: "Greg Nickel via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Greg Nickel" <greg.nickel.works@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Hi Carolyn

Can you tell me more about the Opticon and how it works for you? Happy to
chat off forum at greg.nickel.works@gmail.com




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Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:14 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: PDF documents

With an Optacon, I can read floor plans.

Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Greg Nickel" <greg.nickel.works@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:24 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Can you tell me if JAWS 16converts the pictures into text boxes on the
Word
doc?

On the idea of conveying a picture other than visually, I could see a
tactile display coming in handy is for technical drawings like
architectural
or
otherwise that are line based drawings.

I do a lot of work with architectural and for now I have someone draw
over
the lines with a vinyl tactile marking tube. Any other ideas that might
be
better?
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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
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Subject: RE: PDF documents

When you come down to it, how do you read a picture anyway? Sure, you
can
extract text, but how do you read, for example, a photograph? Place a
center fold on a scanner, and a male synth will emit a deep heart-felt
sigh!
All kidding aside, how could a screen reader convey meaningful
information.
I suppose a tactile display might be able to do it two-dimensionally.

Ted

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To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF
including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the
document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were
readable by Jaws but they are not.
I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like
BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind
people.
I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described
as
being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than
that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market.

Andre
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via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:31 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Greg Nickel
Subject: RE: PDF documents

How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I
have
been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but
converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it
does
it as accurately as you say.
because

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Jarreau
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:20 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into
Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were
written
in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps
this
one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful.

Andre
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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:14 AM
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Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course,
that
was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a
bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old
Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable,
thanks
to 16.

Ted

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Jarreau
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Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:57 PM
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Subject: RE: PDF documents

Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive
document
around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and
reads
with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into
text. That is often a mess as you say.
Andre

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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was
accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file.
Even
when it works, it's not the most attractive document around.

Ted

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White
via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:31 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: PDF documents

That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the
document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR
software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille
if
she can upload the document.

I'll include the link for her here.

http://robobraille.org/

Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:25 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF.
Then
I
selected all using control-A. Then copied and pasted directly into a
blank Word doc. Then saved the Word Doc under the book title name.
Now it opens in Word remarkably fast and reads very well. It might be
searchable.
Hope
this helps.

I use latest J16, Office and Word 2010 on my I5 Dell laptop.

Best

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Byrne via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Ann Byrne
Subject: Re: PDF documents

If you have JAWS 16, have it convert the document for you. Press
insert-spacebar, then the letter o for optical character recognition,
then d for document, and let it run. When JAWS has finished, the
document is not only readable, but it can be copied and saved into
another form, such as Word or text.

good luck!
At 08:30 PM 7/15/2015, you wrote:
My office has a program that is supposed to convert pdf documents to
searchable text. The issue is that my sighted colleague said that
she could do a search of this one large document and find different
words in
it.
However JAWS just read "graphic" Graphic" and gave me some numbers of
the graphics. I'm wondering what is happening here, does anyone have
any
ideas?
Thanks!

Bar




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Re: PDF documents

Andre Jarreau <andre.jarreau@...>
 

Hi Adrian,

Thanks for resending NCH's Pixillion Image converter message. I remember it
and believe it is in my JFW folder. Was surprised at that time it generated
no buzz. I think people like to work through the free stuff before
spending.

While NCH's Pixillion Image converter is very interesting the thread was
about J16 and its ability to deal with graphics and images. Greg wanted to
know more about it in consideration of upgrading to the latest 16 build.
That's all.

Thanks for chiming in and broadening the scope of options out there.

Best

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 4:32 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Andre and others,

With regard to images and graphics, last May I posted the following on this
list, which generated no interest at the time.

Yesterday I came across a program that converts JPG files to PDF that I
could then convert to text. The program is NCH's Pixillion Image converter.

It's worth explaining how it came to me. I received three JPG files that I
needed to access right away. I saved the first to a documents folder, then
pressed the applications key and arrowed down through the options. One was
simply to "convert," and I clicked on it. Almost immediately, the file was
converted to PDF. Then I got a message from NCH offering to sell the
non-trial version for what it claimed was a sale price. It was clever of NCH
to work with MS to lure a consumer in like this. I don't like NCH's sales
practices, but their software is good. So I went through with the purchase,
costing about $30 US.

I haven't done any more testing. It may be, for example, that Pixillion can
convert directly from JPG to text.

I'd be interested if other JAWS users have experience with Pixillion or
another JPG/image file converter.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:19 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF
including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the
document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were
readable by Jaws but they are not.
I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like
BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind people.
I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described as
being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than
that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market.

Andre
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via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:31 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Greg Nickel
Subject: RE: PDF documents

How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I have
been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but
converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it does
it as accurately as you say.
because

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via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:20 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into
Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were written
in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps this
one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful.

Andre
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course, that
was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a
bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old
Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable, thanks
to 16.

Ted

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via Jfw
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:57 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive document
around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and reads
with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into
text. That is often a mess as you say.
Andre

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was
accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file. Even
when it works, it's not the most attractive document around.

Ted

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:31 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: PDF documents

That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the
document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR
software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille if
she can upload the document.

I'll include the link for her here.

http://robobraille.org/

Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Andre Jarreau" <andre.jarreau@earthlink.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:25 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF.
Then
I
selected all using control-A. Then copied and pasted directly into a
blank Word doc. Then saved the Word Doc under the book title name.
Now it opens in Word remarkably fast and reads very well. It might be
searchable.
Hope
this helps.

I use latest J16, Office and Word 2010 on my I5 Dell laptop.

Best

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann
Byrne via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Ann Byrne
Subject: Re: PDF documents

If you have JAWS 16, have it convert the document for you. Press
insert-spacebar, then the letter o for optical character recognition,
then d for document, and let it run. When JAWS has finished, the
document is not only readable, but it can be copied and saved into
another form, such as Word or text.

good luck!
At 08:30 PM 7/15/2015, you wrote:
My office has a program that is supposed to convert pdf documents to
searchable text. The issue is that my sighted colleague said that
she could do a search of this one large document and find different
words in
it.
However JAWS just read "graphic" Graphic" and gave me some numbers of
the graphics. I'm wondering what is happening here, does anyone have
any
ideas?
Thanks!

Bar




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Re: PDF documents

Adrian Spratt
 

Andre and others,

With regard to images and graphics, last May I posted the following on this list, which generated no interest at the time.

Yesterday I came across a program that converts JPG files to PDF that I could then convert to text. The program is NCH's Pixillion Image converter.

It's worth explaining how it came to me. I received three JPG files that I needed to access right away. I saved the first to a documents folder, then pressed the applications key and arrowed down through the options. One was simply to "convert," and I clicked on it. Almost immediately, the file was converted to PDF. Then I got a message from NCH offering to sell the non-trial version for what it claimed was a sale price. It was clever of NCH to work with MS to lure a consumer in like this. I don't like NCH's sales practices, but their software is good. So I went through with the purchase, costing about $30 US.

I haven't done any more testing. It may be, for example, that Pixillion can convert directly from JPG to text.

I'd be interested if other JAWS users have experience with Pixillion or another JPG/image file converter.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:19 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF
including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the
document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were
readable by Jaws but they are not.
I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like
BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind people.
I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described as
being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than
that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market.

Andre
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Greg Nickel
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:31 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Greg Nickel
Subject: RE: PDF documents

How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I have
been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but
converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it does
it as accurately as you say.
because

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:20 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into
Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were written
in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps this
one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful.

Andre
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course, that
was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a
bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old
Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable, thanks
to 16.

Ted

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via Jfw
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:57 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive document
around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and reads
with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into
text. That is often a mess as you say.
Andre

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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was
accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file. Even
when it works, it's not the most attractive document around.

Ted

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Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:31 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: PDF documents

That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the
document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR
software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille if
she can upload the document.

I'll include the link for her here.

http://robobraille.org/

Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:25 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF.
Then
I
selected all using control-A. Then copied and pasted directly into a
blank Word doc. Then saved the Word Doc under the book title name.
Now it opens in Word remarkably fast and reads very well. It might be
searchable.
Hope
this helps.

I use latest J16, Office and Word 2010 on my I5 Dell laptop.

Best

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann
Byrne via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Ann Byrne
Subject: Re: PDF documents

If you have JAWS 16, have it convert the document for you. Press
insert-spacebar, then the letter o for optical character recognition,
then d for document, and let it run. When JAWS has finished, the
document is not only readable, but it can be copied and saved into
another form, such as Word or text.

good luck!
At 08:30 PM 7/15/2015, you wrote:
My office has a program that is supposed to convert pdf documents to
searchable text. The issue is that my sighted colleague said that
she could do a search of this one large document and find different
words in
it.
However JAWS just read "graphic" Graphic" and gave me some numbers of
the graphics. I'm wondering what is happening here, does anyone have
any
ideas?
Thanks!

Bar




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Re: just got a surface pro and I don't know how to remap the capsock key to insert

Jodie Hoger
 

Thanks everyone. Feeling a bit silly for not working that out.
Thanks
Jo

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On 21 Jul 2015, at 9:43 pm, Michael Mote via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

You should be able to change the keyboard lay-out to laptop in the basic
settings of JAWS. Then, the capslock key should work as the insert key
would normally work on the desktop keyboard.


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Subject: just got a surface pro and I don't know how to remap the capsock
key to insert

Hi List, Subject says it really. The surface pro keyboard doesn't have an
insert key so I need to know how to remap insert to capslock I think? If
this is not the case, please set me straight otherwise some instructions and
guidance would be appreciated.
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Re: PDF documents

Greg Nickel
 

Hi Carolyn

Can you tell me more about the Opticon and how it works for you? Happy to
chat off forum at greg.nickel.works@gmail.com

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With an Optacon, I can read floor plans.

Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

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Subject: RE: PDF documents


Can you tell me if JAWS 16converts the pictures into text boxes on the
Word
doc?

On the idea of conveying a picture other than visually, I could see a
tactile display coming in handy is for technical drawings like
architectural
or
otherwise that are line based drawings.

I do a lot of work with architectural and for now I have someone draw over
the lines with a vinyl tactile marking tube. Any other ideas that might
be
better?
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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

When you come down to it, how do you read a picture anyway? Sure, you can
extract text, but how do you read, for example, a photograph? Place a
center fold on a scanner, and a male synth will emit a deep heart-felt
sigh!
All kidding aside, how could a screen reader convey meaningful
information.
I suppose a tactile display might be able to do it two-dimensionally.

Ted

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Jarreau
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Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF
including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the
document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were
readable by Jaws but they are not.
I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like
BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind people.
I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described
as
being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than
that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market.

Andre
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Subject: RE: PDF documents

How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I
have
been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but
converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it
does
it as accurately as you say.
because

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Jarreau
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Subject: RE: PDF documents

Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into
Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were
written
in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps
this
one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful.

Andre
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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
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Subject: RE: PDF documents

No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course,
that
was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a
bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old
Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable,
thanks
to 16.

Ted

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Subject: RE: PDF documents

Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive
document
around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and
reads
with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into
text. That is often a mess as you say.
Andre

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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:30 PM
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Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was
accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file.
Even
when it works, it's not the most attractive document around.

Ted

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Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:31 PM
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Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: PDF documents

That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the
document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR
software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille if
she can upload the document.

I'll include the link for her here.

http://robobraille.org/

Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:25 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF.
Then
I
selected all using control-A. Then copied and pasted directly into a
blank Word doc. Then saved the Word Doc under the book title name.
Now it opens in Word remarkably fast and reads very well. It might be
searchable.
Hope
this helps.

I use latest J16, Office and Word 2010 on my I5 Dell laptop.

Best

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Byrne via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:57 PM
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Cc: Ann Byrne
Subject: Re: PDF documents

If you have JAWS 16, have it convert the document for you. Press
insert-spacebar, then the letter o for optical character recognition,
then d for document, and let it run. When JAWS has finished, the
document is not only readable, but it can be copied and saved into
another form, such as Word or text.

good luck!
At 08:30 PM 7/15/2015, you wrote:
My office has a program that is supposed to convert pdf documents to
searchable text. The issue is that my sighted colleague said that
she could do a search of this one large document and find different
words in
it.
However JAWS just read "graphic" Graphic" and gave me some numbers of
the graphics. I'm wondering what is happening here, does anyone have
any
ideas?
Thanks!

Bar




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Re: PDF documents

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

With an Optacon, I can read floor plans.

Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Greg Nickel" <greg.nickel.works@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:24 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Can you tell me if JAWS 16converts the pictures into text boxes on the Word
doc?

On the idea of conveying a picture other than visually, I could see a
tactile display coming in handy is for technical drawings like architectural
or
otherwise that are line based drawings.

I do a lot of work with architectural and for now I have someone draw over
the lines with a vinyl tactile marking tube. Any other ideas that might be
better?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

When you come down to it, how do you read a picture anyway? Sure, you can
extract text, but how do you read, for example, a photograph? Place a
center fold on a scanner, and a male synth will emit a deep heart-felt sigh!
All kidding aside, how could a screen reader convey meaningful information.
I suppose a tactile display might be able to do it two-dimensionally.

Ted

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via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:19 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF
including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the
document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were
readable by Jaws but they are not.
I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like
BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind people.
I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described as
being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than
that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market.

Andre
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via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:31 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Greg Nickel
Subject: RE: PDF documents

How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I have
been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but
converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it does
it as accurately as you say.
because

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via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:20 AM
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Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into
Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were written
in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps this
one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful.

Andre
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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course, that
was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a
bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old
Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable, thanks
to 16.

Ted

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via Jfw
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:57 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive document
around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and reads
with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into
text. That is often a mess as you say.
Andre

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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was
accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file. Even
when it works, it's not the most attractive document around.

Ted

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Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:31 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: PDF documents

That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the
document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR
software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille if
she can upload the document.

I'll include the link for her here.

http://robobraille.org/

Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:25 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF.
Then
I
selected all using control-A. Then copied and pasted directly into a
blank Word doc. Then saved the Word Doc under the book title name.
Now it opens in Word remarkably fast and reads very well. It might be
searchable.
Hope
this helps.

I use latest J16, Office and Word 2010 on my I5 Dell laptop.

Best

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Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:57 PM
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Cc: Ann Byrne
Subject: Re: PDF documents

If you have JAWS 16, have it convert the document for you. Press
insert-spacebar, then the letter o for optical character recognition,
then d for document, and let it run. When JAWS has finished, the
document is not only readable, but it can be copied and saved into
another form, such as Word or text.

good luck!
At 08:30 PM 7/15/2015, you wrote:
My office has a program that is supposed to convert pdf documents to
searchable text. The issue is that my sighted colleague said that
she could do a search of this one large document and find different
words in
it.
However JAWS just read "graphic" Graphic" and gave me some numbers of
the graphics. I'm wondering what is happening here, does anyone have
any
ideas?
Thanks!

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Re: PDF documents

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Sorry if I wasn't clear. To my knowledge no photograph is OCR readable. I
think only text from graphics can be picked up by the OCR feature.

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If you mean using convenient OCR, I don't think it converts the pictures at
all. I've never had anyone look to be sure, but I know I have gotten
extraneous text at times that I thought was probably pictures that JAWS
tried to OCR. Convenient OCR just puts the text into a virtual viewer. You
can then paste it wherever you want.

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Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Greg Nickel
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Can you tell me if JAWS 16converts the pictures into text boxes on the Word
doc?

On the idea of conveying a picture other than visually, I could see a
tactile display coming in handy is for technical drawings like architectural
or
otherwise that are line based drawings.

I do a lot of work with architectural and for now I have someone draw over
the lines with a vinyl tactile marking tube. Any other ideas that might be
better?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

When you come down to it, how do you read a picture anyway? Sure, you can
extract text, but how do you read, for example, a photograph? Place a
center fold on a scanner, and a male synth will emit a deep heart-felt sigh!
All kidding aside, how could a screen reader convey meaningful information.
I suppose a tactile display might be able to do it two-dimensionally.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
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via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:19 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF
including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the
document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were
readable by Jaws but they are not.
I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like
BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind people.
I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described as
being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than
that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market.

Andre
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via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:31 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Greg Nickel
Subject: RE: PDF documents

How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I have
been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but
converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it does
it as accurately as you say.
because

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Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into
Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were written
in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps this
one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful.

Andre
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No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course, that
was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a
bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old
Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable, thanks
to 16.

Ted

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Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive document
around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and reads
with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into
text. That is often a mess as you say.
Andre

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Subject: RE: PDF documents

Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was
accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file. Even
when it works, it's not the most attractive document around.

Ted

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Subject: Re: PDF documents

That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the
document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR
software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille if
she can upload the document.

I'll include the link for her here.

http://robobraille.org/

Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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Subject: RE: PDF documents


Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF.
Then
I
selected all using control-A. Then copied and pasted directly into a
blank Word doc. Then saved the Word Doc under the book title name.
Now it opens in Word remarkably fast and reads very well. It might be
searchable.
Hope
this helps.

I use latest J16, Office and Word 2010 on my I5 Dell laptop.

Best

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Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:57 PM
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Subject: Re: PDF documents

If you have JAWS 16, have it convert the document for you. Press
insert-spacebar, then the letter o for optical character recognition,
then d for document, and let it run. When JAWS has finished, the
document is not only readable, but it can be copied and saved into
another form, such as Word or text.

good luck!
At 08:30 PM 7/15/2015, you wrote:
My office has a program that is supposed to convert pdf documents to
searchable text. The issue is that my sighted colleague said that
she could do a search of this one large document and find different
words in
it.
However JAWS just read "graphic" Graphic" and gave me some numbers of
the graphics. I'm wondering what is happening here, does anyone have
any
ideas?
Thanks!

Bar




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Re: PDF documents

Andre Jarreau <andre.jarreau@...>
 

I can't tell you how it works. I haven't given it much thought. ...not
that I could figure it out.

If your architectural drawings can be put in a PDF then check out ViewPoint
graphics embossers. They have two. One that just embosses and the other
that will laser print the PDF onto embosser paper then emboss the images.
They are expensive. $20K for the embosser with laser printed images on
it.

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Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:24 PM
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Subject: RE: PDF documents

Can you tell me if JAWS 16converts the pictures into text boxes on the Word
doc?

On the idea of conveying a picture other than visually, I could see a
tactile display coming in handy is for technical drawings like architectural
or
otherwise that are line based drawings.

I do a lot of work with architectural and for now I have someone draw over
the lines with a vinyl tactile marking tube. Any other ideas that might be
better?
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Subject: RE: PDF documents

When you come down to it, how do you read a picture anyway? Sure, you can
extract text, but how do you read, for example, a photograph? Place a
center fold on a scanner, and a male synth will emit a deep heart-felt sigh!
All kidding aside, how could a screen reader convey meaningful information.
I suppose a tactile display might be able to do it two-dimensionally.

Ted

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I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF
including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the
document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were
readable by Jaws but they are not.
I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like
BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind people.
I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described as
being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than
that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market.

Andre
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How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I have
been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but
converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it does
it as accurately as you say.
because

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Subject: RE: PDF documents

Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into
Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were written
in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps this
one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful.

Andre
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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:14 AM
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Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course, that
was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a
bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old
Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable, thanks
to 16.

Ted

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via Jfw
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:57 PM
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Subject: RE: PDF documents

Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive document
around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and reads
with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into
text. That is often a mess as you say.
Andre

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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
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Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was
accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file. Even
when it works, it's not the most attractive document around.

Ted

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Jfw
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Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: PDF documents

That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the
document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR
software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille if
she can upload the document.

I'll include the link for her here.

http://robobraille.org/

Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:25 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF.
Then
I
selected all using control-A. Then copied and pasted directly into a
blank Word doc. Then saved the Word Doc under the book title name.
Now it opens in Word remarkably fast and reads very well. It might be
searchable.
Hope
this helps.

I use latest J16, Office and Word 2010 on my I5 Dell laptop.

Best

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Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:57 PM
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Cc: Ann Byrne
Subject: Re: PDF documents

If you have JAWS 16, have it convert the document for you. Press
insert-spacebar, then the letter o for optical character recognition,
then d for document, and let it run. When JAWS has finished, the
document is not only readable, but it can be copied and saved into
another form, such as Word or text.

good luck!
At 08:30 PM 7/15/2015, you wrote:
My office has a program that is supposed to convert pdf documents to
searchable text. The issue is that my sighted colleague said that
she could do a search of this one large document and find different
words in
it.
However JAWS just read "graphic" Graphic" and gave me some numbers of
the graphics. I'm wondering what is happening here, does anyone have
any
ideas?
Thanks!

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Re: PDF documents

Andre Jarreau <andre.jarreau@...>
 

Yeah the tactile Pad is curious. It may be possible there might be a slight
height dimension in addition to the two dimensions expected.

ViewPoint makes a very high quality embosser used for reading atomic scatter
graphics for blind Physicists. It also will print anything in a PDF in very
high quality. Colors are displayed by height of the very fine dots. Black
is the tallest, white is the lowest and all other colors are slightly
different heights in between. I actually used one to read a blueprint from
an electric power plant. Cool stuff.

The technology is there today. I hope the new Bump-Pad or what ever it's
called, uses it and useful images can be determined by the blind.

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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
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Subject: RE: PDF documents

When you come down to it, how do you read a picture anyway? Sure, you can
extract text, but how do you read, for example, a photograph? Place a
center fold on a scanner, and a male synth will emit a deep heart-felt sigh!
All kidding aside, how could a screen reader convey meaningful information.
I suppose a tactile display might be able to do it two-dimensionally.

Ted

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via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:19 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF
including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the
document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were
readable by Jaws but they are not.
I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like
BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind people.
I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described as
being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than
that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market.

Andre
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Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:31 PM
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Cc: Greg Nickel
Subject: RE: PDF documents

How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I have
been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but
converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it does
it as accurately as you say.
because

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Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:20 AM
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Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into
Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were written
in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps this
one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful.

Andre
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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course, that
was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a
bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old
Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable, thanks
to 16.

Ted

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via Jfw
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:57 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive document
around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and reads
with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into
text. That is often a mess as you say.
Andre

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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
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Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was
accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file. Even
when it works, it's not the most attractive document around.

Ted

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Subject: Re: PDF documents

That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the
document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR
software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille if
she can upload the document.

I'll include the link for her here.

http://robobraille.org/

Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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Subject: RE: PDF documents


Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF.
Then
I
selected all using control-A. Then copied and pasted directly into a
blank Word doc. Then saved the Word Doc under the book title name.
Now it opens in Word remarkably fast and reads very well. It might be
searchable.
Hope
this helps.

I use latest J16, Office and Word 2010 on my I5 Dell laptop.

Best

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Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Ann Byrne
Subject: Re: PDF documents

If you have JAWS 16, have it convert the document for you. Press
insert-spacebar, then the letter o for optical character recognition,
then d for document, and let it run. When JAWS has finished, the
document is not only readable, but it can be copied and saved into
another form, such as Word or text.

good luck!
At 08:30 PM 7/15/2015, you wrote:
My office has a program that is supposed to convert pdf documents to
searchable text. The issue is that my sighted colleague said that
she could do a search of this one large document and find different
words in
it.
However JAWS just read "graphic" Graphic" and gave me some numbers of
the graphics. I'm wondering what is happening here, does anyone have
any
ideas?
Thanks!

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Re: PDF documents

Londa Peterson
 

If you mean using convenient OCR, I don't think it converts the pictures at
all. I've never had anyone look to be sure, but I know I have gotten
extraneous text at times that I thought was probably pictures that JAWS
tried to OCR. Convenient OCR just puts the text into a virtual viewer. You
can then paste it wherever you want.

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via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:24 PM
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Subject: RE: PDF documents

Can you tell me if JAWS 16converts the pictures into text boxes on the Word
doc?

On the idea of conveying a picture other than visually, I could see a
tactile display coming in handy is for technical drawings like architectural
or
otherwise that are line based drawings.

I do a lot of work with architectural and for now I have someone draw over
the lines with a vinyl tactile marking tube. Any other ideas that might be
better?
-----Original Message-----
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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

When you come down to it, how do you read a picture anyway? Sure, you can
extract text, but how do you read, for example, a photograph? Place a
center fold on a scanner, and a male synth will emit a deep heart-felt sigh!
All kidding aside, how could a screen reader convey meaningful information.
I suppose a tactile display might be able to do it two-dimensionally.

Ted

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via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:19 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF
including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the
document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were
readable by Jaws but they are not.
I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like
BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind people.
I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described as
being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than
that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market.

Andre
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via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:31 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Greg Nickel
Subject: RE: PDF documents

How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I have
been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but
converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it does
it as accurately as you say.
because

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via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:20 AM
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Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into
Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were written
in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps this
one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful.

Andre
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course, that
was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a
bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old
Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable, thanks
to 16.

Ted

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:57 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive document
around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and reads
with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into
text. That is often a mess as you say.
Andre

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was
accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file. Even
when it works, it's not the most attractive document around.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
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Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:31 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: PDF documents

That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the
document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR
software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille if
she can upload the document.

I'll include the link for her here.

http://robobraille.org/

Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Andre Jarreau" <andre.jarreau@earthlink.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:25 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF.
Then
I
selected all using control-A. Then copied and pasted directly into a
blank Word doc. Then saved the Word Doc under the book title name.
Now it opens in Word remarkably fast and reads very well. It might be
searchable.
Hope
this helps.

I use latest J16, Office and Word 2010 on my I5 Dell laptop.

Best

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Byrne via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Ann Byrne
Subject: Re: PDF documents

If you have JAWS 16, have it convert the document for you. Press
insert-spacebar, then the letter o for optical character recognition,
then d for document, and let it run. When JAWS has finished, the
document is not only readable, but it can be copied and saved into
another form, such as Word or text.

good luck!
At 08:30 PM 7/15/2015, you wrote:
My office has a program that is supposed to convert pdf documents to
searchable text. The issue is that my sighted colleague said that
she could do a search of this one large document and find different
words in
it.
However JAWS just read "graphic" Graphic" and gave me some numbers of
the graphics. I'm wondering what is happening here, does anyone have
any
ideas?
Thanks!

Bar




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Re: PDF documents

Greg Nickel
 

Can you tell me if JAWS 16converts the pictures into text boxes on the Word
doc?

On the idea of conveying a picture other than visually, I could see a
tactile display coming in handy is for technical drawings like architectural
or
otherwise that are line based drawings.

I do a lot of work with architectural and for now I have someone draw over
the lines with a vinyl tactile marking tube. Any other ideas that might be
better?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

When you come down to it, how do you read a picture anyway? Sure, you can
extract text, but how do you read, for example, a photograph? Place a
center fold on a scanner, and a male synth will emit a deep heart-felt sigh!
All kidding aside, how could a screen reader convey meaningful information.
I suppose a tactile display might be able to do it two-dimensionally.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:19 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF
including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the
document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were
readable by Jaws but they are not.
I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like
BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind people.
I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described as
being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than
that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market.

Andre
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Greg Nickel
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:31 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Greg Nickel
Subject: RE: PDF documents

How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I have
been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but
converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it does
it as accurately as you say.
because

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via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:20 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into
Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were written
in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps this
one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful.

Andre
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course, that
was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a
bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old
Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable, thanks
to 16.

Ted

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:57 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive document
around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and reads
with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into
text. That is often a mess as you say.
Andre

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was
accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file. Even
when it works, it's not the most attractive document around.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:31 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: PDF documents

That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the
document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR
software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille if
she can upload the document.

I'll include the link for her here.

http://robobraille.org/

Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Andre Jarreau" <andre.jarreau@earthlink.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:25 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF.
Then
I
selected all using control-A. Then copied and pasted directly into a
blank Word doc. Then saved the Word Doc under the book title name.
Now it opens in Word remarkably fast and reads very well. It might be
searchable.
Hope
this helps.

I use latest J16, Office and Word 2010 on my I5 Dell laptop.

Best

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann
Byrne via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Ann Byrne
Subject: Re: PDF documents

If you have JAWS 16, have it convert the document for you. Press
insert-spacebar, then the letter o for optical character recognition,
then d for document, and let it run. When JAWS has finished, the
document is not only readable, but it can be copied and saved into
another form, such as Word or text.

good luck!
At 08:30 PM 7/15/2015, you wrote:
My office has a program that is supposed to convert pdf documents to
searchable text. The issue is that my sighted colleague said that
she could do a search of this one large document and find different
words in
it.
However JAWS just read "graphic" Graphic" and gave me some numbers of
the graphics. I'm wondering what is happening here, does anyone have
any
ideas?
Thanks!

Bar




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Re: PDF documents

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

When you come down to it, how do you read a picture anyway? Sure, you can extract text, but how do you read, for example, a photograph? Place a center fold on a scanner, and a male synth will emit a deep heart-felt sigh! All kidding aside, how could a screen reader convey meaningful information. I suppose a tactile display might be able to do it two-dimensionally.

Ted

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Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:19 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were readable by Jaws but they are not.
I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind people.
I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described as being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market.

Andre
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Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:31 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Greg Nickel
Subject: RE: PDF documents

How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I have been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it does it as accurately as you say.
because

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:20 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into
Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were written in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps this one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful.

Andre
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Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course, that was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable, thanks to 16.

Ted

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Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:57 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive document around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and reads with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into text. That is often a mess as you say.
Andre

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Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: PDF documents

Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file. Even when it works, it's not the most attractive document around.

Ted

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Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:31 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: PDF documents

That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille if she can upload the document.

I'll include the link for her here.

http://robobraille.org/

Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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Cc: "Andre Jarreau" <andre.jarreau@earthlink.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:25 PM
Subject: RE: PDF documents


Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF.
Then
I
selected all using control-A. Then copied and pasted directly into a
blank Word doc. Then saved the Word Doc under the book title name.
Now it opens in Word remarkably fast and reads very well. It might be
searchable.
Hope
this helps.

I use latest J16, Office and Word 2010 on my I5 Dell laptop.

Best

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Byrne via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Ann Byrne
Subject: Re: PDF documents

If you have JAWS 16, have it convert the document for you. Press
insert-spacebar, then the letter o for optical character recognition,
then d for document, and let it run. When JAWS has finished, the
document is not only readable, but it can be copied and saved into
another form, such as Word or text.

good luck!
At 08:30 PM 7/15/2015, you wrote:
My office has a program that is supposed to convert pdf documents to
searchable text. The issue is that my sighted colleague said that
she could do a search of this one large document and find different
words in
it.
However JAWS just read "graphic" Graphic" and gave me some numbers of
the graphics. I'm wondering what is happening here, does anyone have
any
ideas?
Thanks!

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