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Re: Firefox 40 question

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Gerald. When I went to the site you gave in this link, Firefox blocked the file, and told me that
FirefoxPortable_35.0_English.paf.exe
may contain a virus or other malicious software. Did you get this announcement?

Thank you.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 3:46 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox 40 question



You can download Firefox 35 portable and other earlier versions of Firefox from the following web site. Just download the version you want and save it someplace that is easy to find. Because this is a portable version, it does not install permenantly on your PC like the full version, but runs as a .exe file. You can pin the .exe file to the start menu so that you can easily launch it . I find Firefox 35 to be much more stable and JAWS friendly than FF 40. Mozilla keeps tinkering with Firefox to the detriment of screen reader users like us.


ttp://portable-firefox.soft32.com/old-version/


Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 10:59 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: Re: Firefox 40 question

Hi Gerald,

I didn’t know that you could have multiple versions of Firefox installed. Where would I find the version 35? I think if I can find an earlier version, I’ll simply uninstall version 40.

Cheers,

Russell
On Sep 1, 2015, at 4:35 AM, Gerald Levy via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:


Yes, I have noticed the same behavior with Firefox 40, and it seems to crash or freeze more frequently than previous versions. I'm so fed up with Firefox 40 that I installed the portable version of Firefox 35, which seems to be more stable andJAWS friendly. Keep in mind that unlike IE, you can have multiple versions of Firefox on your PC simultaneously.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 10:12 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: Re: Firefox 40 question

I am finding that Firefox 40 keeps switching from one open tab to another without me doing anything but reading a page. It’s quite annoying. It also takes a very long time to load some web pages.

Is anyone else finding Firefox switching tabs on its own?

Thanks,

Russell
On Aug 31, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Gennie Eachus via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Yes, Have had this problem for several days. Firefox keeps crashing and has
to restart. Control-l let me type one web address, but when I tried
control-l for another address, it wouldn't work.

-----Original Message-----
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Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 6:48 PM
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Cc: Tom Behler <tombehler@gmail.com>
Subject: Firefox 40 question

Hello, everyone.



Typically, with Firefox, I use the control L command, after which I can
paste a web site address into the edit box, and hit enter. I'm then able to
open The web site from that point.



However, I'm finding that the control L command no longer works with
Firefox 40.



Has anyone noticed this change, and are there good work-arounds?



I have gotten to the point where I actually prefer Firefox to Internet
Explorer for accessing and navigating web sites, so this apparent change in
Firefox behavior is somewhat disconcerting.



I'm using Jaws 16 and Windows 7 here.



Thank you.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



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Re: Firefox 40 question

Gerald Levy
 

There is a common misconception that every time a browser is updated, its security features are also updated. But this is not necessarily the case. I think Mozilla keeps updating Firefox to fix bugs that it created in the first place. I don't think FF 40 is necessarily more secure than FF 35, but if you are uncomfortable using FF 35, that's for you to decide. My understanding is that FF 40 added enhancements for improved compatibility with Windows 10, which may explain why it is more sluggish and vulnerable to freezes and crashes than previous versions which are not Win 10 compatible. The advantage of installing the portable version of FF 35 is that if you decide not to use it, you can simply revert to using FF 40 as you see fit. No harm, no foul.

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:25 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: Firefox 40 question

This is tempting. But I believe Mozilla enhances security support with each version, so by working with an older version, do we risk exposure to online nastiness?

The link was missing the initial h, so I'm copying it again:
http://portable-firefox.soft32.com/old-version/

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 6:47 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Gerald Levy
Subject: Re: Firefox 40 question


You can download Firefox 35 portable and other earlier versions of Firefox
from the following web site. Just download the version you want and save it
someplace that is easy to find. Because this is a portable version, it does
not install permenantly on your PC like the full version, but runs as a .exe
file. You can pin the .exe file to the start menu so that you can easily
launch it . I find Firefox 35 to be much more stable and JAWS friendly than
FF 40. Mozilla keeps tinkering with Firefox to the detriment of screen
reader users like us.


ttp://portable-firefox.soft32.com/old-version/


Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 10:59 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: Re: Firefox 40 question

Hi Gerald,

I didn’t know that you could have multiple versions of Firefox installed.
Where would I find the version 35? I think if I can find an earlier version,
I’ll simply uninstall version 40.

Cheers,

Russell
On Sep 1, 2015, at 4:35 AM, Gerald Levy via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
wrote:


Yes, I have noticed the same behavior with Firefox 40, and it seems to
crash or freeze more frequently than previous versions. I'm so fed up
with Firefox 40 that I installed the portable version of Firefox 35, which
seems to be more stable andJAWS friendly. Keep in mind that unlike IE,
you can have multiple versions of Firefox on your PC simultaneously.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 10:12 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: Re: Firefox 40 question

I am finding that Firefox 40 keeps switching from one open tab to another
without me doing anything but reading a page. It’s quite annoying. It also
takes a very long time to load some web pages.

Is anyone else finding Firefox switching tabs on its own?

Thanks,

Russell
On Aug 31, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Gennie Eachus via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Yes, Have had this problem for several days. Firefox keeps crashing and
has
to restart. Control-l let me type one web address, but when I tried
control-l for another address, it wouldn't work.

-----Original Message-----
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via
Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 6:48 PM
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Windows
support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Tom Behler <tombehler@gmail.com>
Subject: Firefox 40 question

Hello, everyone.



Typically, with Firefox, I use the control L command, after which I can
paste a web site address into the edit box, and hit enter. I'm then able
to
open The web site from that point.



However, I'm finding that the control L command no longer works with
Firefox 40.



Has anyone noticed this change, and are there good work-arounds?



I have gotten to the point where I actually prefer Firefox to Internet
Explorer for accessing and navigating web sites, so this apparent change
in
Firefox behavior is somewhat disconcerting.



I'm using Jaws 16 and Windows 7 here.



Thank you.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



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Re: Firefox 40 question

Adrian Spratt
 

This is tempting. But I believe Mozilla enhances security support with each version, so by working with an older version, do we risk exposure to online nastiness?

The link was missing the initial h, so I'm copying it again:
http://portable-firefox.soft32.com/old-version/

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 6:47 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Gerald Levy
Subject: Re: Firefox 40 question


You can download Firefox 35 portable and other earlier versions of Firefox
from the following web site. Just download the version you want and save it
someplace that is easy to find. Because this is a portable version, it does
not install permenantly on your PC like the full version, but runs as a .exe
file. You can pin the .exe file to the start menu so that you can easily
launch it . I find Firefox 35 to be much more stable and JAWS friendly than
FF 40. Mozilla keeps tinkering with Firefox to the detriment of screen
reader users like us.


ttp://portable-firefox.soft32.com/old-version/


Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 10:59 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: Re: Firefox 40 question

Hi Gerald,

I didn’t know that you could have multiple versions of Firefox installed.
Where would I find the version 35? I think if I can find an earlier version,
I’ll simply uninstall version 40.

Cheers,

Russell
On Sep 1, 2015, at 4:35 AM, Gerald Levy via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
wrote:


Yes, I have noticed the same behavior with Firefox 40, and it seems to
crash or freeze more frequently than previous versions. I'm so fed up
with Firefox 40 that I installed the portable version of Firefox 35, which
seems to be more stable andJAWS friendly. Keep in mind that unlike IE,
you can have multiple versions of Firefox on your PC simultaneously.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 10:12 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: Re: Firefox 40 question

I am finding that Firefox 40 keeps switching from one open tab to another
without me doing anything but reading a page. It’s quite annoying. It also
takes a very long time to load some web pages.

Is anyone else finding Firefox switching tabs on its own?

Thanks,

Russell
On Aug 31, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Gennie Eachus via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Yes, Have had this problem for several days. Firefox keeps crashing and
has
to restart. Control-l let me type one web address, but when I tried
control-l for another address, it wouldn't work.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
via
Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 6:48 PM
To: Jaws users list <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>; 'The Jaws for
Windows
support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Tom Behler <tombehler@gmail.com>
Subject: Firefox 40 question

Hello, everyone.



Typically, with Firefox, I use the control L command, after which I can
paste a web site address into the edit box, and hit enter. I'm then able
to
open The web site from that point.



However, I'm finding that the control L command no longer works with
Firefox 40.



Has anyone noticed this change, and are there good work-arounds?



I have gotten to the point where I actually prefer Firefox to Internet
Explorer for accessing and navigating web sites, so this apparent change
in
Firefox behavior is somewhat disconcerting.



I'm using Jaws 16 and Windows 7 here.



Thank you.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



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Re: JAWS and Punctuation

Adrian Spratt
 

I think I caused some confusion by misreading Caroline's post in this thread.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:08 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: JAWS and Punctuation

I think I know what you're talking about now. I'm a little slow on the uptake, as I use echo off in everything but spreadsheets and command prompts.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 6:45 PM
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Subject: RE: JAWS and Punctuation

Specifically, it applies to what is "echoed"/spoken when you enter text, not to reading text in general. And yes, it does not apply to punctuation.

Jim H

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Subject: RE: JAWS and Punctuation

For clarity sake, the below is for how much is spoken as it pertains to text and not punctuation, correct?


Kimsan Song
kimsansong@gmail.com

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Subject: RE: JAWS and Punctuation

JAWS key+2 on the number row above the letters.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 11:28 AM
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Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: RE: JAWS and Punctuation

It would be nice if there was a temporary setting for punctuation like for character, word, character and word or none.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw
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Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
Subject: RE: JAWS and Punctuation

I can't imagine why we would want some $s and not others, but it's a good example. Another trick, and this one goes back a while, is to use the dictionary, particularly on an app-by-app basis. For instance, I taught my Bible not to speak colons, which appeared between chapter and verse numbers, but seemingly nowhere else. I tried the same trick with single-quote apostrophes, but then found that contractions didn't read properly. Come to think of it, that might be a good test of custom punctuation.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B. via Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B.
Subject: Re: JAWS and Punctuation

Howdy All,

This is a note on the difference between changing punctuation settings in Jaws options, Insert + V, & customize punctuation in the default settings center / configuration manager. They work backwards from one another.

When setting punctuation in Jaws options / quick settings, this controls the amount of punctuation JAWS will speak / recognize. The default setting is most. To hear less punctuation spoken you would select some or none.

When making changes in the customize punctuation list, this basically tells Jaws how much of a selected punctuation mark to ignore. If you do not want Jaws to speak/recognize a particular punctuation mark you want to choose the " all " selection. You will have 4 radio buttons to arrow up or down through. They are none, some, most, & all. In these selections they work backwards than what you would think. For example; If you choose " none "
for the dollar sign, Jaws will speak / recognize every dollar sign in whatever you are reading. On the other hand, if you choose the " all "
radio button, Jaws will not speak / recognize any dollar signs.

Hope this helps some of you understand the differences between the 2 punctuation setting options.

Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----
From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw
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Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 9:00 AM
Subject: RE: JAWS and Punctuation


I think the question is what changes do the different levels make? What are the practical differences between all, some, most? Even none lets one or two things slip through--the apostrophe, for example.

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Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 12:55 AM
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Cc: Mike B.
Subject: Re: JAWS and Punctuation

Yo Bro,

Different levels, I'm not quite sure what you mean by that. Different levels of what? I know you don't mean the levels of how fast your check will bounce! LOL, hahaha hahaha hahaha, LOL Take care.
Mike
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Cc: Kimsan
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 9:42 PM
Subject: RE: JAWS and Punctuation


Holy crap bro!
That was amazing! I just did it and it worked.

Now, is there a list that will tell me what punctuation will be spoken for the different levels?
Thanks again, checks in the mail.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@gmail.com

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Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:10 AM
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Cc: Mike B. <mb69mach1@charter.net>
Subject: Re: JAWS and Punctuation

Hi Adrian & List Members,

Steps for, Assigning A Keystroke To Adjust Punctuation On The Fly

1. Press, Insert + F2, to open the Jaws Manager.
2. Goto Keyboard Manager and press enter.
3. Navigate to Default, & then tab 1 time to get into the list of options.
4. In the Default keyboard manager list navigate to Set Punctuation Level If it says none. That means there has not been a keystroke assigned.
5. Press the Alt key to open the menues, & right arrow to Action. Then down arrow to Add Keystroke, & press enter. Or press control + A which is the shortcut for asigning a keystroke.
6. Insert a keystroke combination like control + dash for example. If the combination is already being used for another command jaws will tell you.
Doing this in the Default Keyboard Manager, allows this keystroke to be used in all aplications.
7. Tab to the Okay button, press the spacebar, then a dialogue will open asking if you are sure you want to modify the default JKM. Press the spacebar on the Yes option.

Now, every time you press the control + dash keystroke it changes the punctuation level. So press the control + dash keystroke until you hear the punctuation level you want.

If you ever want to change or remove the keystroke, simply repeat the above steps.

Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 4:56 AM
Subject: RE: JAWS and Punctuation


Although this method involves a menu, it isn't onerous. Press JAWS key+v to open the quick settings dialog. Then press p until JAWS verbalizes "punctuation." On my system, it takes three presses of p once you arrow past

the edit field. Or you can type p in the edit field and three options appear, the second of which is "punctuation." Press the spacebar to cycle through the punctuation level choices, leave the one you want, tab to Okay and press enter.

I don't know if a hotkey can be created for this operation.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of patatips via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 9:26 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Cc: patatips
Subject: JAWS and Punctuation

Hi Everyone,
Is there any hot key that I can use, while I am reading something, turn punctuation off and on, without going through any menus. Thanks.
Blessings and All the Very Best,
Pat

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Re: JAWS and Punctuation

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I think I know what you're talking about now. I'm a little slow on the uptake, as I use echo off in everything but spreadsheets and command prompts.

Ted

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Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 6:45 PM
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Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: JAWS and Punctuation

Specifically, it applies to what is "echoed"/spoken when you enter text, not to reading text in general. And yes, it does not apply to punctuation.

Jim H

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Subject: RE: JAWS and Punctuation

For clarity sake, the below is for how much is spoken as it pertains to text and not punctuation, correct?


Kimsan Song
kimsansong@gmail.com

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Subject: RE: JAWS and Punctuation

JAWS key+2 on the number row above the letters.

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Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 11:28 AM
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Subject: RE: JAWS and Punctuation

It would be nice if there was a temporary setting for punctuation like for character, word, character and word or none.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2015 8:20 AM
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Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
Subject: RE: JAWS and Punctuation

I can't imagine why we would want some $s and not others, but it's a good example. Another trick, and this one goes back a while, is to use the dictionary, particularly on an app-by-app basis. For instance, I taught my Bible not to speak colons, which appeared between chapter and verse numbers, but seemingly nowhere else. I tried the same trick with single-quote apostrophes, but then found that contractions didn't read properly. Come to think of it, that might be a good test of custom punctuation.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B.
Subject: Re: JAWS and Punctuation

Howdy All,

This is a note on the difference between changing punctuation settings in Jaws options, Insert + V, & customize punctuation in the default settings center / configuration manager. They work backwards from one another.

When setting punctuation in Jaws options / quick settings, this controls the amount of punctuation JAWS will speak / recognize. The default setting is most. To hear less punctuation spoken you would select some or none.

When making changes in the customize punctuation list, this basically tells Jaws how much of a selected punctuation mark to ignore. If you do not want Jaws to speak/recognize a particular punctuation mark you want to choose the " all " selection. You will have 4 radio buttons to arrow up or down through. They are none, some, most, & all. In these selections they work backwards than what you would think. For example; If you choose " none "
for the dollar sign, Jaws will speak / recognize every dollar sign in whatever you are reading. On the other hand, if you choose the " all "
radio button, Jaws will not speak / recognize any dollar signs.

Hope this helps some of you understand the differences between the 2 punctuation setting options.

Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----
From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 9:00 AM
Subject: RE: JAWS and Punctuation


I think the question is what changes do the different levels make? What are the practical differences between all, some, most? Even none lets one or two things slip through--the apostrophe, for example.

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Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 12:55 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B.
Subject: Re: JAWS and Punctuation

Yo Bro,

Different levels, I'm not quite sure what you mean by that. Different levels of what? I know you don't mean the levels of how fast your check will bounce! LOL, hahaha hahaha hahaha, LOL Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----
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Cc: Kimsan
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 9:42 PM
Subject: RE: JAWS and Punctuation


Holy crap bro!
That was amazing! I just did it and it worked.

Now, is there a list that will tell me what punctuation will be spoken for the different levels?
Thanks again, checks in the mail.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@gmail.com

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Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:10 AM
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Cc: Mike B. <mb69mach1@charter.net>
Subject: Re: JAWS and Punctuation

Hi Adrian & List Members,

Steps for, Assigning A Keystroke To Adjust Punctuation On The Fly

1. Press, Insert + F2, to open the Jaws Manager.
2. Goto Keyboard Manager and press enter.
3. Navigate to Default, & then tab 1 time to get into the list of options.
4. In the Default keyboard manager list navigate to Set Punctuation Level If it says none. That means there has not been a keystroke assigned.
5. Press the Alt key to open the menues, & right arrow to Action. Then down arrow to Add Keystroke, & press enter. Or press control + A which is the shortcut for asigning a keystroke.
6. Insert a keystroke combination like control + dash for example. If the combination is already being used for another command jaws will tell you.
Doing this in the Default Keyboard Manager, allows this keystroke to be used in all aplications.
7. Tab to the Okay button, press the spacebar, then a dialogue will open asking if you are sure you want to modify the default JKM. Press the spacebar on the Yes option.

Now, every time you press the control + dash keystroke it changes the punctuation level. So press the control + dash keystroke until you hear the punctuation level you want.

If you ever want to change or remove the keystroke, simply repeat the above steps.

Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 4:56 AM
Subject: RE: JAWS and Punctuation


Although this method involves a menu, it isn't onerous. Press JAWS key+v to open the quick settings dialog. Then press p until JAWS verbalizes "punctuation." On my system, it takes three presses of p once you arrow past

the edit field. Or you can type p in the edit field and three options appear, the second of which is "punctuation." Press the spacebar to cycle through the punctuation level choices, leave the one you want, tab to Okay and press enter.

I don't know if a hotkey can be created for this operation.

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Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 9:26 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Cc: patatips
Subject: JAWS and Punctuation

Hi Everyone,
Is there any hot key that I can use, while I am reading something, turn punctuation off and on, without going through any menus. Thanks.
Blessings and All the Very Best,
Pat

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Re: JAWS Library entries - with "wildcards" ...

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Asterisks are only necessary when you want to define a root word, and various derivatives. For instance, pronouncing e-mail or e-mails or e-mailing without the hyphen looks like this:

E-mail*
Email

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 5:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Soronel Haetir
Subject: Re: JAWS Library entries - with "wildcards" ...

Also note that if what you are searching on includes punctuation you can often get away with breaking the entry there.

For instance, in windows programming there are a great many 'words' of the form XX_COMBINEDWORDS, and often the same COMBINEDWORDS will appear to the right of many different XX_ tags. You can then make dictionary entries for just the COMBINEDWORDS (leaving off the leading tag) and jaws will correctly use the replacement for the trailing portion regardless of the leading tag.

On 9/1/15, Jim Hamilton via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Thanks. That will come in handy.

... and, you would have to include the "*" in the "replacement word"
box, as well as in the "actual word" box. Correct?

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle,
Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw
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Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
Subject: RE: JAWS Library entries - with "wildcards" ...

Library entries? You can use them when creating dictionary entries for
a root word and various derivatives. Unlike Dos search terms, they
have to come at the end, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Hamilton via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 12:59 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: JAWS Library entries - with "wildcards" ...

Can one use a "wildcard, usually a "*" when editing JAWS Library entries?

This question was brought to mind by the below message on another topic.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle,
Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2015 8:20 AM
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Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
Subject: RE: JAWS and Punctuation

I can't imagine why we would want some $s and not others, but it's a
good example. Another trick, and this one goes back a while, is to
use the dictionary, particularly on an app-by-app basis. For
instance, I taught my Bible not to speak colons, which appeared
between chapter and verse numbers, but seemingly nowhere else. I
tried the same trick with single-quote apostrophes, but then found
that contractions didn't read properly. Come to think of it, that
might be a good test of custom punctuation.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B.
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B.
Subject: Re: JAWS and Punctuation

Howdy All,

This is a note on the difference between changing punctuation settings
in Jaws options, Insert + V, & customize punctuation in the default
settings center / configuration manager. They work backwards from one another.

When setting punctuation in Jaws options / quick settings, this
controls the amount of punctuation JAWS will speak / recognize. The
default setting is most. To hear less punctuation spoken you would
select some or none.

When making changes in the customize punctuation list, this basically
tells Jaws how much of a selected punctuation mark to ignore. If you
do not want Jaws to speak/recognize a particular punctuation mark you
want to choose the " all " selection. You will have 4 radio buttons
to arrow up or down through. They are none, some, most, & all. In
these selections they work backwards than what you would think. For
example; If you choose " none "
for the dollar sign, Jaws will speak / recognize every dollar sign in
whatever you are reading. On the other hand, if you choose the " all "
radio button, Jaws will not speak / recognize any dollar signs.

Hope this helps some of you understand the differences between the 2
punctuation setting options.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 9:00 AM
Subject: RE: JAWS and Punctuation


I think the question is what changes do the different levels make?
What are the practical differences between all, some, most? Even none
lets one or two things slip through--the apostrophe, for example.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B.
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 12:55 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B.
Subject: Re: JAWS and Punctuation

Yo Bro,

Different levels, I'm not quite sure what you mean by that. Different
levels of what? I know you don't mean the levels of how fast your
check will bounce! LOL, hahaha hahaha hahaha, LOL Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kimsan
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 9:42 PM
Subject: RE: JAWS and Punctuation


Holy crap bro!
That was amazing! I just did it and it worked.

Now, is there a list that will tell me what punctuation will be spoken
for the different levels?
Thanks again, checks in the mail.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B.
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:10 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Mike B. <mb69mach1@charter.net>
Subject: Re: JAWS and Punctuation

Hi Adrian & List Members,

Steps for, Assigning A Keystroke To Adjust Punctuation On The Fly

1. Press, Insert + F2, to open the Jaws Manager.
2. Goto Keyboard Manager and press enter.
3. Navigate to Default, & then tab 1 time to get into the list of options.
4. In the Default keyboard manager list navigate to Set Punctuation
Level If it says none. That means there has not been a keystroke
assigned.
5. Press the Alt key to open the menues, & right arrow to Action. Then
down arrow to Add Keystroke, & press enter. Or press control + A
which is the shortcut for asigning a keystroke.
6. Insert a keystroke combination like control + dash for example. If
the combination is already being used for another command jaws will tell you.
Doing this in the Default Keyboard Manager, allows this keystroke to
be used in all aplications.
7. Tab to the Okay button, press the spacebar, then a dialogue will
open asking if you are sure you want to modify the default JKM. Press
the spacebar on the Yes option.

Now, every time you press the control + dash keystroke it changes the
punctuation level. So press the control + dash keystroke until you
hear the punctuation level you want.

If you ever want to change or remove the keystroke, simply repeat the
above steps.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 4:56 AM
Subject: RE: JAWS and Punctuation


Although this method involves a menu, it isn't onerous. Press JAWS
key+v to open the quick settings dialog. Then press p until JAWS
verbalizes "punctuation." On my system, it takes three presses of p
once you arrow past

the edit field. Or you can type p in the edit field and three options
appear, the second of which is "punctuation." Press the spacebar to
cycle through the punctuation level choices, leave the one you want,
tab to Okay and press enter.

I don't know if a hotkey can be created for this operation.

-----Original Message-----
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via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 9:26 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Cc: patatips
Subject: JAWS and Punctuation

Hi Everyone,
Is there any hot key that I can use, while I am reading something,
turn punctuation off and on, without going through any menus. Thanks.
Blessings and All the Very Best,
Pat

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Re: Firefox 40 question

Gerald Levy
 

You can download Firefox 35 portable and other earlier versions of Firefox from the following web site. Just download the version you want and save it someplace that is easy to find. Because this is a portable version, it does not install permenantly on your PC like the full version, but runs as a .exe file. You can pin the .exe file to the start menu so that you can easily launch it . I find Firefox 35 to be much more stable and JAWS friendly than FF 40. Mozilla keeps tinkering with Firefox to the detriment of screen reader users like us.


ttp://portable-firefox.soft32.com/old-version/


Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 10:59 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: Re: Firefox 40 question

Hi Gerald,

I didn’t know that you could have multiple versions of Firefox installed. Where would I find the version 35? I think if I can find an earlier version, I’ll simply uninstall version 40.

Cheers,

Russell
On Sep 1, 2015, at 4:35 AM, Gerald Levy via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:


Yes, I have noticed the same behavior with Firefox 40, and it seems to crash or freeze more frequently than previous versions. I'm so fed up with Firefox 40 that I installed the portable version of Firefox 35, which seems to be more stable andJAWS friendly. Keep in mind that unlike IE, you can have multiple versions of Firefox on your PC simultaneously.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 10:12 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: Re: Firefox 40 question

I am finding that Firefox 40 keeps switching from one open tab to another without me doing anything but reading a page. It’s quite annoying. It also takes a very long time to load some web pages.

Is anyone else finding Firefox switching tabs on its own?

Thanks,

Russell
On Aug 31, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Gennie Eachus via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Yes, Have had this problem for several days. Firefox keeps crashing and has
to restart. Control-l let me type one web address, but when I tried
control-l for another address, it wouldn't work.

-----Original Message-----
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Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 6:48 PM
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Cc: Tom Behler <tombehler@gmail.com>
Subject: Firefox 40 question

Hello, everyone.



Typically, with Firefox, I use the control L command, after which I can
paste a web site address into the edit box, and hit enter. I'm then able to
open The web site from that point.



However, I'm finding that the control L command no longer works with
Firefox 40.



Has anyone noticed this change, and are there good work-arounds?



I have gotten to the point where I actually prefer Firefox to Internet
Explorer for accessing and navigating web sites, so this apparent change in
Firefox behavior is somewhat disconcerting.



I'm using Jaws 16 and Windows 7 here.



Thank you.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



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Re: Firefox 40 question

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Hi Gerald,

I didn’t know that you could have multiple versions of Firefox installed. Where would I find the version 35? I think if I can find an earlier version, I’ll simply uninstall version 40.

Cheers,

Russell

On Sep 1, 2015, at 4:35 AM, Gerald Levy via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:


Yes, I have noticed the same behavior with Firefox 40, and it seems to crash or freeze more frequently than previous versions. I'm so fed up with Firefox 40 that I installed the portable version of Firefox 35, which seems to be more stable andJAWS friendly. Keep in mind that unlike IE, you can have multiple versions of Firefox on your PC simultaneously.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 10:12 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: Re: Firefox 40 question

I am finding that Firefox 40 keeps switching from one open tab to another without me doing anything but reading a page. It’s quite annoying. It also takes a very long time to load some web pages.

Is anyone else finding Firefox switching tabs on its own?

Thanks,

Russell
On Aug 31, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Gennie Eachus via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Yes, Have had this problem for several days. Firefox keeps crashing and has
to restart. Control-l let me type one web address, but when I tried
control-l for another address, it wouldn't work.

-----Original Message-----
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Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 6:48 PM
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Subject: Firefox 40 question

Hello, everyone.



Typically, with Firefox, I use the control L command, after which I can
paste a web site address into the edit box, and hit enter. I'm then able to
open The web site from that point.



However, I'm finding that the control L command no longer works with
Firefox 40.



Has anyone noticed this change, and are there good work-arounds?



I have gotten to the point where I actually prefer Firefox to Internet
Explorer for accessing and navigating web sites, so this apparent change in
Firefox behavior is somewhat disconcerting.



I'm using Jaws 16 and Windows 7 here.



Thank you.



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Re: Firefox 40 question

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Hi,

Firefox was working quite well for me till the update to version 40.0.3.

Thanks,

Russell

On Aug 31, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Jane Withers via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

I attempted to use Firefox a year or so ago and had difficulty. Was told by Freedom Scientific that it didi not work well with JAWS.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 9:12 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: Re: Firefox 40 question

I am finding that Firefox 40 keeps switching from one open tab to another without me doing anything but reading a page. It’s quite annoying. It also takes a very long time to load some web pages.

Is anyone else finding Firefox switching tabs on its own?

Thanks,

Russell
On Aug 31, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Gennie Eachus via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Yes, Have had this problem for several days. Firefox keeps crashing and has
to restart. Control-l let me type one web address, but when I tried
control-l for another address, it wouldn't work.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 6:48 PM
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Cc: Tom Behler <tombehler@gmail.com>
Subject: Firefox 40 question

Hello, everyone.



Typically, with Firefox, I use the control L command, after which I can
paste a web site address into the edit box, and hit enter. I'm then able to
open The web site from that point.



However, I'm finding that the control L command no longer works with
Firefox 40.



Has anyone noticed this change, and are there good work-arounds?



I have gotten to the point where I actually prefer Firefox to Internet
Explorer for accessing and navigating web sites, so this apparent change in
Firefox behavior is somewhat disconcerting.



I'm using Jaws 16 and Windows 7 here.



Thank you.



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Re: Firefox 40 question

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Thanks for confirming this behaviour Brad! I am also finding that the focus is jumping not only from tab to tab, but also to other programs I have open. Quite annoying.

Cheers,

Russell

On Aug 31, 2015, at 8:37 PM, Brad Martin via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

I had that problem for a long time on some websites, but it hasn't happened to me in months! When I used to have that problem, it was generally when I had a tab open (but I wasn't on that tab), and that tab kept refreshing itself. When it refreshed, Firefox would start to read it and JAWS would act like I was on that tab, but in fact, I wasn't and interacting with the screen I thought was in front of me didn't work. But again, I can't remember the last time I had that problem.

Oddly, tonight my Firefox started crashing, and I realized my Adblock add-on had been disabled.

Brad

On 8/31/2015 9:12 PM, Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw wrote:
I am finding that Firefox 40 keeps switching from one open tab to another without me doing anything but reading a page. It’s quite annoying. It also takes a very long time to load some web pages.

Is anyone else finding Firefox switching tabs on its own?

Thanks,

Russell
On Aug 31, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Gennie Eachus via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Yes, Have had this problem for several days. Firefox keeps crashing and has
to restart. Control-l let me type one web address, but when I tried
control-l for another address, it wouldn't work.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom Behler via
Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 6:48 PM
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support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Tom Behler <tombehler@gmail.com>
Subject: Firefox 40 question

Hello, everyone.



Typically, with Firefox, I use the control L command, after which I can
paste a web site address into the edit box, and hit enter. I'm then able to
open The web site from that point.



However, I'm finding that the control L command no longer works with
Firefox 40.



Has anyone noticed this change, and are there good work-arounds?



I have gotten to the point where I actually prefer Firefox to Internet
Explorer for accessing and navigating web sites, so this apparent change in
Firefox behavior is somewhat disconcerting.



I'm using Jaws 16 and Windows 7 here.



Thank you.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



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Re: Firefox 40 question

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Thanks, I’ll try this tomorrow at work.

Cheers,

Russell

On Aug 31, 2015, at 8:17 PM, majno via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

go to firefox option and disable the "load tab check.

El 31/08/2015 a las 21:12, Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw escribió:
I am finding that Firefox 40 keeps switching from one open tab to another without me doing anything but reading a page. It’s quite annoying. It also takes a very long time to load some web pages.

Is anyone else finding Firefox switching tabs on its own?

Thanks,

Russell
On Aug 31, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Gennie Eachus via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Yes, Have had this problem for several days. Firefox keeps crashing and has
to restart. Control-l let me type one web address, but when I tried
control-l for another address, it wouldn't work.

-----Original Message-----
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Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 6:48 PM
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Cc: Tom Behler <tombehler@gmail.com>
Subject: Firefox 40 question

Hello, everyone.



Typically, with Firefox, I use the control L command, after which I can
paste a web site address into the edit box, and hit enter. I'm then able to
open The web site from that point.



However, I'm finding that the control L command no longer works with
Firefox 40.



Has anyone noticed this change, and are there good work-arounds?



I have gotten to the point where I actually prefer Firefox to Internet
Explorer for accessing and navigating web sites, so this apparent change in
Firefox behavior is somewhat disconcerting.



I'm using Jaws 16 and Windows 7 here.



Thank you.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



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Re: adblock was: Firefox 40 question

Brad Martin
 

I got Adblock from http://www.getadblock.com

Hint: I found I had to save the file, then use the "install add-on from file" option in the add-ons manager, because I couldn't figure out how to work the little popup window that opened when I tried to download the add-on.

Brad

On 9/1/2015 4:16 PM, Robert Logue via Jfw wrote:
Hi Brad. I searched Fire Fox for adblock but did not find one just called adblock. Lots of pluses and youtube and forks. What about this one?
AdBlock Lite
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adblock-lite-firefox/?src=api

Bob
On 8/31/2015 7:40 PM, Brad Martin via Jfw wrote:
Tom and Gennie,

Control L is working fine for me with Firefox 40.0.3. I have had a couple of occasions where it didn't work for some reason, but they're few and far between. To Gennie's point about Firefox crashing, I discovered that the ads were most of the problem. I installed the Adblock add-on for Firefox, and most of my crashes went away. Occasionally a video will cause Firefox to crash even still, but it's way better than it was without Adblock. (Not to be confused with Adblock+ which I have not tried.)

Tom, I often enter a URL (or paste one) into the Windows Run box. So press Windows key and the letter r, then type or paste in the URL. If Firefox is not your default browser, the process is a little different. Press Windows key and the letter r, then type
firefox url
for instance
firefox www.google.com

There's your work around if you need it.


Brad



On 8/31/2015 8:08 PM, Tom Behler via Jfw wrote:
Jenny:

I can't even get it to work with one address, let alone multiple addresses.

Would be interested in any fixes people come up with.

For now, reluctantly, it's back to Internet Explorer.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gennie Eachus
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 8:07 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Gennie Eachus
Subject: RE: Firefox 40 question

Yes, Have had this problem for several days. Firefox keeps crashing and has
to restart. Control-l let me type one web address, but when I tried
control-l for another address, it wouldn't work.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom Behler via
Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 6:48 PM
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Cc: Tom Behler <tombehler@gmail.com>
Subject: Firefox 40 question

Hello, everyone.


Typically, with Firefox, I use the control L command, after which I can
paste a web site address into the edit box, and hit enter. I'm then able to
open The web site from that point.


However, I'm finding that the control L command no longer works with
Firefox 40.


Has anyone noticed this change, and are there good work-arounds?


I have gotten to the point where I actually prefer Firefox to Internet
Explorer for accessing and navigating web sites, so this apparent change in
Firefox behavior is somewhat disconcerting.


I'm using Jaws 16 and Windows 7 here.


Thank you.


Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


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Re: using jaws16 with windows10?

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

I don't know what Microsoft David is. I could search for it.

I did go to the net and found that there was something about downloading
Microsoft David Voice.

I had a whole lot going on this evening, so just got back to this.

Best from,

Carolyn

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Subject: Re: using jaws16 with windows10?

Carolyn that is great. Does anyone know if Microsoft david is present on
windows10? Are there any new voices under the sapi interface under text to
speech in control panel?

On 01/09/2015, Carolyn Arnold via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Working finr on Desktop Windows 10. If Carolyn worked as well as JAWS
does, well, I probably wouldn't be on tech lists other than to give help.

Best from,

Carolyn

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Peterson via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2015 1:01 PM
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Subject: RE: using jaws16 with windows10?

JAWS 16 is working fairly well with Windows 10 on my laptop. It's
certainly much more than minimal. If JAWS 16 latest build isn't
working well for you, you need to uninstall and reinstall it. It will
work much better after that.


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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Tesar via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 11:30 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Peter Tesar
Subject: Re: using jaws16 with windows10?

Hello to new Windows 10 users,

I just upgraded my 5 year old laptop to Windows 10. It had Windows 7
and it had a WiFi connection so I didn't need to figure out how to
make a net connection.

I chose to upgrade preserving all the existing files and applications.
That part worked.

Now some notes to keep in mind.

The current version of JAWS 16 works minimally. The latest version of
NVDA
2015.3 works much better.

To the person asking the question. How did you get JAWS into your new
laptop? Install NVDA 2015.3 to get more use out of Windows 10 until
JAWS
16 and 17 come out.

In Windows 10, the Windows key + i will bring up the setting list. But
JAWS might not help.

I am guessing, the sheveron button (system tray) might give a
connection path. Press the Windows-logo key and then close the start menu
with ESCAPE.

Then tab to the sheveron button and then arrow down or right. There
might be a network item to select.

Opening the start menu by pressing the Windows logo key will have the
edit field. JAWS 16 will not announce this. NVDA does and with NVDA
you can arrow down through a list. JAWS 16 cannot do this.

Maybe other Windows 10 users will have more advice.

Peter T.

On 2015-08-31 10:12 PM, Carliss via Jfw wrote:
Hello Listers,

I just baught a windows10 notebook. But I can't fine the settings for
the network. in other words, I can not get on the net.

Please help!

oh, by the way, are there some special settings in windows10 that I
need
to
know for my computer to work right? Please if you will, let me know
about them.

Thanks!





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Re: Need Moderator assistance please.

O.Addison Gethers
 

I was having the same problem too !! I did wrote to the moderator and have not heard anything from the moderator at all!!
Addison

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Cc: Tim Ford
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 4:44 PM
Subject: Need Moderator assistance please.


I apologize for writing the entire list. I tried but could never find an email address for the list moderator. I need assistance. Would one of the moderators please contact me off list? I apologize in advance for this, but I just cannot figure out the list issue I am having; I do not see my own emails posted to the list, although I believe they are going through.

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Re: Firefox 40 question

Tom Behler
 

Mike:

I'll do this, especially if I continue to have problems getting control L to
work.

I really like Firefox, but do find it to be flaky at times with Jaws.

Tom Behler

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via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 12:38 PM
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Cc: Michael Mote
Subject: Re: Firefox 40 question

I would try pressing Alt D instead of Control L.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 31, 2015, at 6:47 PM, Tom Behler via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
wrote:

Hello, everyone.



Typically, with Firefox, I use the control L command, after which I
can paste a web site address into the edit box, and hit enter. I'm
then able to open The web site from that point.



However, I'm finding that the control L command no longer works with
Firefox 40.



Has anyone noticed this change, and are there good work-arounds?



I have gotten to the point where I actually prefer Firefox to Internet
Explorer for accessing and navigating web sites, so this apparent
change in Firefox behavior is somewhat disconcerting.



I'm using Jaws 16 and Windows 7 here.



Thank you.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



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No longer can I search on Netflix

Peter Tesar
 

Hello,

Can anyone do a title search on Netflix?

A year ago the Canadian Netflixsite was improved. I used to use the search edit field. Now there is asearch icon which JAWS cannot find.

Does the American Netflix site have the same issue?

Peter T.
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warning was: Learning JAWS scripting

Robert Logue
 

Reported Unwanted Software Page!

This web page at grabbag.alacorncomputer.com has been reported to contain unwanted software and has been blocked based on your security preferences.

First time Fire Fox ever gave me this kind of warning.
How do I contact the owner?

Hope someone finds that book.

Bob

On 8/13/2015 4:50 PM, Paul Martz via Jfw wrote:
Thanks, Mario. I like your idea of a sort of, "let's learn how to program -
using JAWS scripting". It makes a lot of sense to teach basic programming,
using JSL as an example. The idea has a lot of merit.

While looking for Kenneth Gould article, I found this:
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com/jawsscripting.html
Looks like some valuable information. But if you know where the Gould
article is, could you email the address? Or post it here? Or to my blog? Or
all of the above... LOL

I'll put in as much time on this as I can, but it's one of those big
projects. I need to review all the available information first. Then
actually become competent with JSL, otherwise I'm just blowing hot air.
Finally, I can move forward with some kind of wikibook. Anyhow, I'll blog as
I go.

Thanks for the feedback.
-Paul




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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mario via
Jfw
Paul, since no one has responded, here's my thought:

in addition to your ideas, what the blind user who wants to get into
writing
JAWS scripts really needs is to learn basic concepts of programming in
order
to do the nifty stuff, like using functions, arrays, etc.

about 12 years ago when I tried my hand at scripting,there was a document
called "Everything you wanted to know about scripting, ...", written by
Kenneth A. Gould. I think it's still on FS's website or some where
else... it
was divided into two parts.

the first part dealt with the basic stuff, like how to get started,
syntax, etc.
but the second part dealt with stuff that assumed that the user had prior
programming knowledge about concepts, techniques, etc.
like the knowledge one would attain after programming for a while... a
good while.

since you've programmed for about 3 decades,... I think it was you, ...
you could fill in the missing explanation that a newbie would need to
comprehend before attempting to try their hand at scripting.

creating a wiki sounds like a good idea, this way other experienced
programmers could also contribute to the cause, working out explainations
of different concepts, and whatever else would be important. but it should
be that a newbie needs to register and login in order to read and/or
contribute. and I'd also suggest that only the experienced programmers
have the right to add/modify these materials that teach the needed
concepts and explainations, effectively preventing mis information by any
newbie. the experienced programmer who would want to contribute would
have to send an email request , to you?, to be approved. if this last part
doesn't sit well with you, something has to be done to ensure that the
newbie is not mis informed of explainations and whatever else would be
important to understand.

your thoughts?


On 8/12/2015 2:53 PM, Paul Martz via Jfw wrote:
Hi all. A few days ago, there was some discussion on learning JAWS
scripting. I've started learning it myself, and wanted to post some
thoughts.

First, I've decided to blog about JSL as I learn it. My blog page is
here:
https://skewmatrix.wordpress.com/ . No advertisements or popups, just
straight information about JSL whenever I learn something interesting.
The "JSL #1" post enumerates the available JAWS Scripting Language
resources that I've found. Please post comments if you know of other
resources.
Second, I'm toying with the idea of starting an online book project
about JSL, for example at wikibooks.com. The advantage of putting this
book online as a wikibook is that the information would be much more
likely to stay up-to-date and relevant; people could immediately
correct any typos or mistakes; and of course the book would be free to
all and readily available online. I have written technical books in
the past, so this wouldn't be too much of a stretch for me. (I just
need to learn it first. Ha ha.)

The question is: In light of the wonderful documentation from Freedom
Scientific that is already available, what kind of content would I /
we need to provide in this new online resource in order to make it
worthwhile? What would you like to know about JSL that you can't
already learn from the FS docs? Would we want something like a brief
overview of JAWS scripting? Or maybe a "quick start guide" to get you
up and running with the basics? Or possibly a "scripting gems" kind of
book, with several examples of JAWS scripts? Or a language reference?
Or all of the above? Of course, "we don't need this, the FS docs are
fine" is
also an acceptable response.
Any thoughts or comments... Thanks...
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Re: data graphing ideas?

Robert Logue
 

Thanks Marianne. I'm glad to hear there are actually tools that work. I'm checking out Dr. Robinson's videos now.

Bob.

On 8/26/2015 2:10 PM, Marianne Denning via Jfw wrote:
I asked my technology trainer who does this all of the time. Her name
is Dr. Denise Robinson and here are some videos that show that it can
be done. She may have some lessons you can buy that walks you through
the steps.

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From: "Dr. Denise M Robinson" <deniserob@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 16:01:48 -0400
Subject: Re: data graphing ideas?
To: Marianne Denning <marianne@denningweb.com>

send proof
here are videos to go to--my kids do it all the time--tons more but here
are a few
How to make a curved line in a graph using Excel and talking software
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=momCqtdMSM0>

Excel-plotting a line plot graph-copy to Word for Math
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPqTDxa58_E>

Create a scatter graph with trend line using talking software/key commands
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZG2IsoHStQ>

Blind students do Math- inequalities with Excel and answer problems in Word
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDSNYugqr_Y>

Just in case they want to do it with PPT also
Blind student completes a sophisticated Excel then inserts into PowerPoint
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kt0Lxmjik4>

On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Marianne Denning <marianne@denningweb.com>
wrote:

I thought you might know the answer to this question. If you reply to
me I can post your answer. I think it would be possible.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 15:31:28 +0000
Subject: RE: data graphing ideas?
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Monique Lalonde <Monique.Lalonde@cnib.ca>

Hi All,

If JAWS can read graph information in Excel, does anyone know how
accessible it would be to create a graph in Excel and copy it into a
Word document? I may need to do this for an Economics class.
Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David G.
Carlson Via iPhone via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 9:10 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David G. Carlson Via iPhone
Subject: Re: data graphing ideas?

Yes it does exist.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my iPhone using the handwriting feature.

On Aug 26, 2015, at 06:39, Richard B. McDonald via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Unless I am mistaken, I think somewhere I read that JAWS has a feature that
will describe a graph in Excel. I cannot remember where I read that, but I
suspect it was in the "help" areas for JAWS in Excel. Has anyone else ever
run across this?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mario via
Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 7:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mario
Subject: Re: data graphing ideas?

I think you're on the right track.
the Orion TI-84 Plus Talking Graphing Calculator employs:
. Graph functions and trace points made accessible with speech and audible
tone.
. Listen to entire graph, including special sounds for negative regions and
axis crossing points.

if you want to check it out for more ideas:

https://shop.aph.org/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_Orion%20TI-84%20Plus%
20Talking%20Graphing%20Calculator_1-07340-00P_10001_11051

since you're an experienced programmer, you're more enabled to "make it
so".
but remember, newbie wanna be scriptwriters need to start from the bottom
of
the barrel... have you ever considered to join the JAWS scripting ml? not
to shew you away from this ml, but you can pose more technical questions
about scripting snafoos to get assistance from other experienced
sdcripters.

On 8/20/2015 11:44 AM, Paul Martz via Jfw wrote:
I'll start by saying I don't know of any off-the-shelf graphing
solutions for visually impaired users. So everything that follows is sort
of "what if"
hypothetical stuff, just thinking out loud.

Presenting data to blind and visually impaired users seems like a
mostly uninvestigated area, wide open for new research. There is an
annual academic conference called IEEE Vis: http://ieeevis.org/.
Historically, their focus is to present new research in different ways
to visualize data. As far as I know, they have never bitten off the
challenge of presenting data in non-visual ways. But if you have any
pull in the academic community, perhaps you could get some grad
students to research ways to display data non-visually, with the
end-goal of getting their research published through this conference.

Just thinking off the top of my head, I could imagine a bar chart with
items left-to-right (along the x axis) and values along the y axis. We
could use JAWS to read the value for each item, but instead of just
reading numbers, modulate the JAWS speech pitch in accordance with the
value: larger values would be read with a higher pitch, smaller values
with a lower pitch. So, instead of just hearing a bunch of numbers,
you'd hear pitch changes with each number that would allow the user to
immediately place the value relative to other values. The pitch
changes would give you a "picture" of the values relative to each other.

I'm sure that's a pretty naive approach, but as far as I know, no one
has tried it yet. It might be an interesting challenge for the JAWS
scripting language.
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Re: JAWS and Punctuation

HAMILTON
 

Specifically, it applies to what is "echoed"/spoken when you enter text, not
to reading text in general. And yes, it does not apply to punctuation.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimsan via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2015 4:27 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Kimsan <kimsansong@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: JAWS and Punctuation

For clarity sake, the below is for how much is spoken as it pertains to text
and not punctuation, correct?


Kimsan Song
kimsansong@gmail.com

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via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2015 9:28 AM
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Cc: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Subject: RE: JAWS and Punctuation

JAWS key+2 on the number row above the letters.

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via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 11:28 AM
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Subject: RE: JAWS and Punctuation

It would be nice if there was a temporary setting for punctuation like for
character, word, character and word or none.

Best from,

Carolyn

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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2015 8:20 AM
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Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
Subject: RE: JAWS and Punctuation

I can't imagine why we would want some $s and not others, but it's a good
example. Another trick, and this one goes back a while, is to use the
dictionary, particularly on an app-by-app basis. For instance, I taught my
Bible not to speak colons, which appeared between chapter and verse numbers,
but seemingly nowhere else. I tried the same trick with single-quote
apostrophes, but then found that contractions didn't read properly. Come to
think of it, that might be a good test of custom punctuation.

Ted

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Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 3:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B.
Subject: Re: JAWS and Punctuation

Howdy All,

This is a note on the difference between changing punctuation settings in
Jaws options, Insert + V, & customize punctuation in the default settings
center / configuration manager. They work backwards from one another.

When setting punctuation in Jaws options / quick settings, this controls the
amount of punctuation JAWS will speak / recognize. The default setting is
most. To hear less punctuation spoken you would select some or none.

When making changes in the customize punctuation list, this basically tells
Jaws how much of a selected punctuation mark to ignore. If you do not want
Jaws to speak/recognize a particular punctuation mark you want to choose the
" all " selection. You will have 4 radio buttons to arrow up or down
through. They are none, some, most, & all. In these selections they work
backwards than what you would think. For example; If you choose " none "
for the dollar sign, Jaws will speak / recognize every dollar sign in
whatever you are reading. On the other hand, if you choose the " all "
radio button, Jaws will not speak / recognize any dollar signs.

Hope this helps some of you understand the differences between the 2
punctuation setting options.

Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----
From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw
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Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 9:00 AM
Subject: RE: JAWS and Punctuation


I think the question is what changes do the different levels make? What are
the practical differences between all, some, most? Even none lets one or
two things slip through--the apostrophe, for example.

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Jfw
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 12:55 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B.
Subject: Re: JAWS and Punctuation

Yo Bro,

Different levels, I'm not quite sure what you mean by that. Different
levels of what? I know you don't mean the levels of how fast your check
will bounce! LOL, hahaha hahaha hahaha, LOL Take care.
Mike
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Cc: Kimsan
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 9:42 PM
Subject: RE: JAWS and Punctuation


Holy crap bro!
That was amazing! I just did it and it worked.

Now, is there a list that will tell me what punctuation will be spoken for
the different levels?
Thanks again, checks in the mail.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@gmail.com

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Subject: Re: JAWS and Punctuation

Hi Adrian & List Members,

Steps for, Assigning A Keystroke To Adjust Punctuation On The Fly

1. Press, Insert + F2, to open the Jaws Manager.
2. Goto Keyboard Manager and press enter.
3. Navigate to Default, & then tab 1 time to get into the list of options.
4. In the Default keyboard manager list navigate to Set Punctuation Level If
it says none. That means there has not been a keystroke assigned.
5. Press the Alt key to open the menues, & right arrow to Action. Then down
arrow to Add Keystroke, & press enter. Or press control + A which is the
shortcut for asigning a keystroke.
6. Insert a keystroke combination like control + dash for example. If the
combination is already being used for another command jaws will tell you.
Doing this in the Default Keyboard Manager, allows this keystroke to be used
in all aplications.
7. Tab to the Okay button, press the spacebar, then a dialogue will open
asking if you are sure you want to modify the default JKM. Press the
spacebar on the Yes option.

Now, every time you press the control + dash keystroke it changes the
punctuation level. So press the control + dash keystroke until you hear the
punctuation level you want.

If you ever want to change or remove the keystroke, simply repeat the above
steps.

Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----
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Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 4:56 AM
Subject: RE: JAWS and Punctuation


Although this method involves a menu, it isn't onerous. Press JAWS key+v to
open the quick settings dialog. Then press p until JAWS verbalizes
"punctuation." On my system, it takes three presses of p once you arrow past

the edit field. Or you can type p in the edit field and three options
appear, the second of which is "punctuation." Press the spacebar to cycle
through the punctuation level choices, leave the one you want, tab to Okay
and press enter.

I don't know if a hotkey can be created for this operation.

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Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 9:26 PM
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Subject: JAWS and Punctuation

Hi Everyone,
Is there any hot key that I can use, while I am reading something, turn
punctuation off and on, without going through any menus. Thanks.
Blessings and All the Very Best,
Pat

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Re: data graphing ideas?

Robert Logue
 

Thanks Mario, for pointing out the graphing calculator. Also, I know I should just start reading more about scripting Jaws and join those forums.

Thing is. I don't see much for personal finance for the blind in any platform. A few apps and programs but nothing I could even get a grip on or that worked reliably for me. It's like the information presented is not formatted in a way I can picture or make sense of.

I'm 62 years old and just a bit slower than I used to be.

Bob

On 8/25/2015 8:43 AM, Mario via Jfw wrote:
I think you're on the right track.
the Orion TI-84 Plus Talking Graphing Calculator employs:
• Graph functions and trace points made accessible with speech and audible tone.
• Listen to entire graph, including special sounds for negative regions and axis crossing points.

if you want to check it out for more ideas:
https://shop.aph.org/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_Orion%20TI-84%20Plus%20Talking%20Graphing%20Calculator_1-07340-00P_10001_11051

since you're an experienced programmer, you're more enabled to "make it so". but remember, newbie wanna be scriptwriters need to start from the bottom of the barrel... have you ever considered to join the JAWS scripting ml? not to shew you away from this ml, but you can pose more technical questions about scripting snafoos to get assistance from other experienced sdcripters.

On 8/20/2015 11:44 AM, Paul Martz via Jfw wrote:
I'll start by saying I don't know of any off-the-shelf graphing solutions
for visually impaired users. So everything that follows is sort of "what if"
hypothetical stuff, just thinking out loud.

Presenting data to blind and visually impaired users seems like a mostly
uninvestigated area, wide open for new research. There is an annual academic
conference called IEEE Vis: http://ieeevis.org/. Historically, their focus
is to present new research in different ways to visualize data. As far as I
know, they have never bitten off the challenge of presenting data in
non-visual ways. But if you have any pull in the academic community, perhaps
you could get some grad students to research ways to display data
non-visually, with the end-goal of getting their research published through
this conference.

Just thinking off the top of my head, I could imagine a bar chart with items
left-to-right (along the x axis) and values along the y axis. We could use
JAWS to read the value for each item, but instead of just reading numbers,
modulate the JAWS speech pitch in accordance with the value: larger values
would be read with a higher pitch, smaller values with a lower pitch. So,
instead of just hearing a bunch of numbers, you'd hear pitch changes with
each number that would allow the user to immediately place the value
relative to other values. The pitch changes would give you a "picture" of
the values relative to each other.

I'm sure that's a pretty naive approach, but as far as I know, no one has
tried it yet. It might be an interesting challenge for the JAWS scripting
language.
-Paul



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