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Re: smart navigation?

Andre Jarreau <andre.jarreau@...>
 

If you are worried about stability try turning off smart navigation. On my
machine it's off and J17 is very stable. I use Win7, 64 bit J17. Will
experiment with smart navigation later.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of dennis via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 10:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: dennis
Subject: Re: smart navigation?

i am not a big fan of it at all. its more trouble than its worth in most
cases. i have gone back to j16 for stability.

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Cool script. What is so great about smart navigation???

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Re: smart navigation?

Cristóbal
 

That's unnecessary as you can disable Smart navigation all together. No
need to revert to an older version of Jaws if you simply don't like Smart
Navigation.

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Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:43 AM
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Cc: dennis
Subject: Re: smart navigation?

i am not a big fan of it at all. its more trouble than its worth in most
cases. i have gone back to j16 for stability.

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Cool script. What is so great about smart navigation???

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Re: smart navigation?

Cristóbal
 

The one thing about it that bugs me is that when you're at the end of a
table and arrow down, instead of being placed at the end of that table on
the webpage, you're placed at the bottom of the webpage entirely. This is
especially annoying as you don’t' know you're out of the table until you
arrow out of it. Maybe it's something I'm doing wrong on my end and simple
lack of familiarity with the feature, but it has been a frustrating
experience on sites like Amazon.com product pages or banking account
activity pages. All in all though, I do find Smart Navigation to be a plus
but for this issue.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: smart navigation?

Ann,

Based on the Podcast from FS, it helps us more readily "see" the actual
layout of a web page by revealing it's layout. Also gives additional tools
to navigate these areas. I've not explored it much yet, but in time I'll
likely give it a shot.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

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Cool script. What is so great about smart navigation???


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Re: smart navigation?

dennis
 

i am not a big fan of it at all. its more trouble than its worth in most cases. i have gone back to j16 for stability.

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Re: smart navigation?

Dave...
 

Ann,

Based on the Podcast from FS, it helps us more readily "see" the actual
layout of a web page by revealing it's layout. Also gives additional tools
to navigate these areas. I've not explored it much yet, but in time I'll
likely give it a shot.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

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smart navigation?

Ann Byrne
 

Cool script. What is so great about smart navigation???


Re: Is there any reason to not upgrade to JAWS 17?

Pablo Morales
 

For all people that is using jaws 17, and would like to be able to activate
or deactivate smart navigation quickly. This script will modify the
default.jcf file every time that you press a keystroke, activating smart
navigation controls, or smart navigation controls and tables, or smart
navigation off.
So just with a keystroke you would be able to switch between all these
choices, instead going to Startup Wizard.
Here is the script. Remember that you need to add it to the default.jss,
assign a keystroke to the script, and compile the script again. Script
ChangeSmartNavigation ()
Var
Int SmartNavigationStatus,
String Message
Let SmartNavigationStatus=IniReadInteger ("Html", "SmartNavigation", 0,
"default.jcf")
let message=""
if SmartNavigationStatus==0 then
IniWriteInteger ("Html", "SmartNavigation", 1, "default.jcf")
Let message="Smart navigation mode is: controls"
Else
if SmartNavigationStatus==1 then
IniWriteInteger ("Html", "SmartNavigation", 2, "default.jcf")
Let message="smart navigation mode is :Controls and tables"
else
if SmartNavigationStatus==2 then
IniWriteInteger ("Html", "SmartNavigation", 0, "default.jcf")
Let message="smart navigation mode is: off"
EndIf
EndIf
EndIf
Say(message,0)
EndScript


Re: unsubscribing

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So, two days prior to the move, I am able to subscribe with my new email
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I don't remember the other email address I had though lol to unsubscribe.

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Re: wwindows 10 question. upgrading/installing

Maggi Ostrowski <mio528@...>
 

Thanks, David! My Windows 10 install is complete and tomorrow, I may tackle the JAWS update!

My best,

Maggi

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 5:44 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: wwindows 10 question. upgrading/installing

Hi,
The newest version of the media creation tool is just one file for 64 bit or
32 bit. There are no longer separate ones. Just use the one tool that is available. You will be in good shape. Have a great one.


-----Original Message-----
From: Maggi Ostrowski via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 1:13 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Maggi Ostrowski
Subject: RE: wwindows 10 question. upgrading/installing

Hi Dave,

When I go to the site to download the Media Creation Tool, I don't get a choice of 32 or 64 bit download as you suggest in your most thorough instructions. I did download the Media Creation Tool but am hesitant to proceed with the Windows update.

Help, please!!

My best,

Maggi


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Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 4:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: wwindows 10 question. upgrading/installing

Hi all.
Here are instructions that will tell you exactly what to do to upgrade to win 10. Ask any questions. Here are all instructions.

Here you go, How to upgrade to Windows 10 with Jaws.
Upgrading to Windows 10 with jaws 16 or 17.
go to:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/Support/TechnicalSupport/Windows10Upgrade
Download the tool called utility tool, leave it in your download folder.
Download jaws 16.0.4350 or Jaws 17, leave it in your download folder for future use.
Download the Microsoft media creation tool at:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
On this web page, Go to download link now 64 bit version or 32 bit version depending on what system you have.
Download the tool and save it to your download folder for future use.
Leave all three of these downloads in your download folder.
Now, if you have not reserved windows 10, please do so.
press enter on the get windows 10 icon in the notification area.
go down the page and fill in your email address ext. this gives you a verification email.
Now, restart your computer.
check for updates, install any updates, restart to make sure you have all the latest updates.
Now you are ready to begin the upgrade to windows 10.
Run the jaws utility tool, this will get rid of any jaws fragmented files and so on from your system.
Tip, after running the F S tool, any time you restart your computer, you will get a message from Jaws saying:.
The mirror drivers are configured incorrectly, press the spacebar on this message.
In w-10, Jaws does not use the mirror drivers, that is the reason for this message.
Next, Run the media creation tool.
yes, for your users account warning.
Choose, update this computer now and press enter.
you are now in an ongoing and updating dialog which says:
Windows 10 is being downloaded, continue using your computer.
This could take anywhere between 30 to 60 minutes, depending on your download speed.
When it is done downloading, it will go through several screens itself updating your computer and will get it ready for windows 10.
Next, there will be a screen asking you to except the license agreement, check the yes and press enter on next.
Again, the program will run through several screens by itself.
Next, press enter on install.
now you will have no speech, this install takes 45 to 60 minutes to complete.
After 1 hour, press the Windows key+enter key to turn on narrator.
Wait for a few minutes if it does not come on right away.
Almost done.
press the next button.
choose express settings.
press the next button.
if done right, in about 10 to 15 minutes, jaws will come on talking on the desktop in your new w-10 PC.
Now, this is very important, uninstall and reinstall jaws 16 or 17.
This will give you the maximum performance in the w-10 environment.
Tips on how to do this.
Go to programs and features, press enter on Jaws 16 or 17.
Say yes, for your user’s account message.
Uninstall Jaws, Keeping shared settings and personal settings.
If the Jaws dialog does not tell you to restart, Turn Narrator on, Windows
key+enter, restart your computer.
Wait the appropriate time for restarting, turn Narrator back on, Windows
key+enter.
Go to your download folder where you have already put the latest Jaws 16 or 17, set up file.
Press enter on the Jaws setup file.
Follow the Jaws prompts, to install Jaws 16 or 17.
After reinstalling jaws, no need for a restart here, jaws will come on talking with all your settings, except for 2 of them.
Redo your shortcut key, control+ALT+j.
Redo the setting to have jaws come on at the log-on screen.
All your other settings will be remembered by Jaws.
For whatever reason if the media tool fails the first time.
Check for updates, restart, and run the tool again.
In w-8.1, this method usually works the first time.
In w-7, you may have to repeat this method two times.
It is a little more difficult going from w-7, to w-10, then from w-8.1 to w-10.
There are more drivers which much be updated by Microsoft for your w-7 computer to upgrade to w-10.
You need no sighted assistance at all.


-----Original Message-----
From: James Malone via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 9:38 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: James Malone
Subject: RE: windows 10 question. upgrading/installing

Hi, I would check on the freedom web site. I would also call the Microsoft support help desk at 1-800-936-5900 and don't press option 1.
Hope this helps.

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Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 6:24 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Kristoffer Gustafsson <kg.kristoffer@gmail.com>
Subject: wwindows 10 question. upgrading/installing

Hi.
I don't know if this has been discussed on this list, but I ask this anyway.
I want to try out windows 10 on one of my computers.
It says that I shall get a message when I can update.
I've not gotten such a message.
What should I do?

Then I've Heard that you can burn windows 10 o a dvd/usb memory and install that way.
But how do you do that?
I've got no windows 10 Product key, so how can I install that way if I want to?
Say for example, that my computer carshes. I need to buy a new harddrive etc.
Then I've got no operating system in the computer, so I need to be able to install windows 10 /Kristoffer

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Re: Is there any reason to not upgrade to JAWS 17?

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Thanks Mike. I responded to David’s email, so won’t repeat it here, but, it is looking a bit more promising. :)

Take care,

Russell

On Nov 26, 2015, at 9:11 PM, Mike B via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Hi Russell,

Have you considered upgrading to Adobe Acrobat Reader DC? This is the
latest, & could possibly solve your problems. I don't open PDF files often
enough to say whether it will help your cause or not but, hopefully someone
more knowledgeable will let the list know.
Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 7:58 PM
Subject: RE: Is there any reason to not upgrade to JAWS 17?


Hi,

For me at work, I am not able to use Jaws 16 or 17 because when reading a
PDF document, if I press alt + tab to move to a different document, my
entire system freezes. Sometimes I can get control back, but most times I
must turn the power off of my computer to re-boot. I contacted FS last April
about this issue. They told me they were aware of it, but that it was an
Adobe issue. I contacted Adobe, and put them in touch with someone at
Freedom, and still the issue remains. I called FS again last week, and was
told that I should not press alt + tab to switch programs, but instead
minimize to the desktop, and from there switch to the other program. This is
fine, but old habits die hard, and I usually end up forgetting and pressing
alt + tab, and then spend the next 10 minutes trying to get my system back
up and running. This is not very efficient, and, in my opinion, not very
good tech support on FS's part. So, I am now forced to use Jaws 15. I
mentioned the fact that we should get a refund for Jaws 16 and 17 since we
aren't able to use them, but of course this fell on deaf ears, as does much
of what I say to tech support. I still don't understand how this can be an
Adobe issue when Jaws 15 works fine with Adobe XI Pro, as does NVDA,
Window-Eyes, and Dolphin. Unfortunately none of these screen readers work
with our proprietary database, or, I wouldn't be using Jaws.

I seem to recall someone else on this list having this same issue.

So, you might want to be careful about updating to Jaws 17 if you are
currently using Jaws 15... it might be a good idea to try using the demo
version of Jaws 17 with PDF documents to make sure you won't encounter this
alt tabbing issue.

Thanks,

Russell

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of JUANITA
FISCHER via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 7:47 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: JUANITA FISCHER <juanitafischer@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Is there any reason to not upgrade to JAWS 17?

One reason not to upgrade is that all the computer braille symbols are
changed to something else. If you do any programming or html coding, you
might not like the new computer braille symbols. As it is, I go back to jaws
16 when I want to code.


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Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 5:39 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Kimberly <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Is there any reason to not upgrade to JAWS 17?

I wouldn't, especially if you are happy with how jaws 16 is working. In fact
I have gone back to version 16 after discovering some annoying bugs in 17.

I have found the forms mode settings to be quirky at best and totally messed
up at worst. Also numpad differentiation doesn't seem to work in certain
applications.

Kimber

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

On Nov 21, 2015, at 8:38 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Hi,

I'm happily running JAWS 16 on my Windows 7 64-bit laptop, and using
Office 2010.

Is there any reason NOT to upgrade to JAWS 17?

Thanks, Keith

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Re: Is there any reason to not upgrade to JAWS 17?

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Hi David,

We are using Adobe XI Pro at work, not Adobe Reader. I do have Adobe Reader DC installed as well, and it was also crashing my system when alt tabbing away from it, but I tried again today and it worked fine with Jaws 17. Then I tried Adobe XI Pro, and much to my surprise, it worked as well. The problem is intermitant though, so I’m not convinced that the issue is totally gone. I will keep playing with it and see how it goes. I’ll report back to the list after testing for a week or so.

Thanks,

Russell

On Nov 27, 2015, at 12:08 AM, David Moore via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Hi Rustle,
I did just that. I upgraded to the Adobe Reader DC, and it fixed all problems with reading PDFs with JAWS 17. That is exactly right. Have a great one.


-----Original Message----- From: Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 11:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Is there any reason to not upgrade to JAWS 17?

Hi Russell,

Have you considered upgrading to Adobe Acrobat Reader DC? This is the
latest, & could possibly solve your problems. I don't open PDF files often
enough to say whether it will help your cause or not but, hopefully someone
more knowledgeable will let the list know.
Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message ----- From: Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 7:58 PM
Subject: RE: Is there any reason to not upgrade to JAWS 17?


Hi,

For me at work, I am not able to use Jaws 16 or 17 because when reading a
PDF document, if I press alt + tab to move to a different document, my
entire system freezes. Sometimes I can get control back, but most times I
must turn the power off of my computer to re-boot. I contacted FS last April
about this issue. They told me they were aware of it, but that it was an
Adobe issue. I contacted Adobe, and put them in touch with someone at
Freedom, and still the issue remains. I called FS again last week, and was
told that I should not press alt + tab to switch programs, but instead
minimize to the desktop, and from there switch to the other program. This is
fine, but old habits die hard, and I usually end up forgetting and pressing
alt + tab, and then spend the next 10 minutes trying to get my system back
up and running. This is not very efficient, and, in my opinion, not very
good tech support on FS's part. So, I am now forced to use Jaws 15. I
mentioned the fact that we should get a refund for Jaws 16 and 17 since we
aren't able to use them, but of course this fell on deaf ears, as does much
of what I say to tech support. I still don't understand how this can be an
Adobe issue when Jaws 15 works fine with Adobe XI Pro, as does NVDA,
Window-Eyes, and Dolphin. Unfortunately none of these screen readers work
with our proprietary database, or, I wouldn't be using Jaws.

I seem to recall someone else on this list having this same issue.

So, you might want to be careful about updating to Jaws 17 if you are
currently using Jaws 15... it might be a good idea to try using the demo
version of Jaws 17 with PDF documents to make sure you won't encounter this
alt tabbing issue.

Thanks,

Russell

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of JUANITA
FISCHER via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 7:47 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: JUANITA FISCHER <juanitafischer@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Is there any reason to not upgrade to JAWS 17?

One reason not to upgrade is that all the computer braille symbols are
changed to something else. If you do any programming or html coding, you
might not like the new computer braille symbols. As it is, I go back to jaws
16 when I want to code.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 5:39 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Kimberly <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Is there any reason to not upgrade to JAWS 17?

I wouldn't, especially if you are happy with how jaws 16 is working. In fact
I have gone back to version 16 after discovering some annoying bugs in 17.

I have found the forms mode settings to be quirky at best and totally messed
up at worst. Also numpad differentiation doesn't seem to work in certain
applications.

Kimber

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

On Nov 21, 2015, at 8:38 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Hi,

I'm happily running JAWS 16 on my Windows 7 64-bit laptop, and using
Office 2010.

Is there any reason NOT to upgrade to JAWS 17?

Thanks, Keith

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Pivot tables

Dale Alton <blinkydale@...>
 

Hi all,

Is there a way of determining in a pivot table what the cells are that will
allow you to change the table?

Denver Dale


Re: installing Chrome

Adrian Spratt
 

Thanks, Ann and Mike. Yes, JAWS key+z is the answer, as it seems to be for a number of seeming accessibility brick walls. I've just gone through the various settings and options. If you click on the "Advance" tab, you tab through a slew of options and eventually land on something like "Accessibility." At first, tabbing from here didn't seem too promising. But there are various settings that would be useful to low-vision people, and way down, when you enter the store, there's an option that claims to convert replace images with text descriptions. There's a "Chrome" button here, as there is for each of the store offerings, so I assume this isn't just an option for Android-based phones. I didn't select it because I want to know more, and also because I'm reluctant to eliminate images for sighted people looking at my screen. Still, intriguing.

I will say that I thought Google Chrome's stripped-down menu was too good to be true, and this "Advance" tab and the endless tabbing it requires confirms my suspicion.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 9:48 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: installing Chrome

Hi Ann,

Thank you very much, pressing, Insert / Jaws key + Z, is the trick but, this
keystroke toggles the virtual cursor mode On / off. Press enter on the
Settings option then press, Insert + Z, to turn the virtual cursor off & you
can tab through the Settings options. Or you can press the Alt key to open
the list, arrow up to Settings, press, Insert + Z, to turn the virtual
cursor off, then press enter on Settings & you can tab through the options.
Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Ann Byrne via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 5:57 PM
Subject: RE: installing Chrome


Would it help to turn off the quick keys with insert-z? I needed to
get to a dialog today and that was the trick. Also someone else
suggested shift-enter instead of just enter.

good luck!
At 05:58 PM 11/25/2015, you wrote:
Well, I just uninstalled and reinstalled Chrome. When the google
Chrome page appeared at the end of installation, I found the
settings button marked as "collapsed." Nothing I did could expand,
never mind activate it: press enter, right arrow, right-click,
applications key, and so on.

I closed out the browser, recreated my shortcut and reopened the
browser. I went to settings. Although the settings page didn't open
immediately when I pressed enter, two presses of F6 brought it up.
Stupidly, I closed it. Remembering I wanted to look at the actual
settings, I went back. Now, once again, I can't open the page.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
john.falter via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 11:06 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: john.falter
Subject: Re: installing Chrome

Maybe you could re-install chrome.

On 11/24/2015 10:47 PM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote:
Thanks, John, but no luck on this computer. Yes, JAWS verbalizes
"Loading," but after that I can do nothing and have to close Chrome down.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
john.falter via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 10:37 PM
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Cc: john.falter
Subject: Re: installing Chrome

I have the same configuration and I can enter settings by:
1 press alt to get into the menu.
2 arrow up to reach settings.
3 press shift plus enter.
In several seconds you will get a message saying "loading".
Then you will be able to select your settings.
Chrome seems to want shift plus enter for many links.


On 11/24/2015 3:49 PM, Mike B via Jfw wrote:
Hi Adrian,

Running windows 7 Pro 64 bit with Jaws 16 & 17 latest, & I can't open
the
settings option using Jaws 17 either but, it does open with Jaws
16. Anyone
else having this problem? Anyone have a suggestion as to how to open
Settings using Jaws 17? Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 11:52 AM
Subject: RE: installing Chrome


Stan,

That window was, I believe, a Google page where you can adjust
settings. You
can go back to that page by going into the Chrome menu with the alt
key,
then arrowing up to "settings" and pressing enter.

Note that on my system, I cannot get Chrome's "settings" to open
ever since
I installed JAWS 17, but this doesn't appear to be a common
problem. I wish
I could find a solution for myself.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
Stan Holdeman
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 1:06 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Stan Holdeman
Subject: Re: installing Chrome

Surprise, Surprise! Chrome is installed. I thought the window of which
I
complained had interrupted installation. Nope--Chrome is present and
accounted for.

Stan


-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Holdeman via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 10:43 AM
To: jfw list
Cc: Stan Holdeman
Subject: installing Chrome

Listers: Running W 7 64bit and jaws 16.

OK, you have convinced me to try Chrome. When I tried to install I got
a
window which jaws would not read. I found out it wanted me to input a
password to sign in to get bookmarks, favorites and settings and
passwords
from (I guess) other browsers transferred to my new Chrome.I have 3
questions about this.
1. Do I want to do this?
2. If so, just what password is wanted?
3. If I do not want to do this, how do I get past this window to
the rest of
the installation?

Stan
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Re: Is there any reason to not upgrade to JAWS 17?

Ronnie Hill
 

Hi, just wondering if the JAWS 17 will working well with OutLook Express on the Win 7 64 bit ?
Ronnie.

----- Original Message -----
From: "JUANITA FISCHER via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "JUANITA FISCHER" <juanitafischer@msn.com>
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 2:46 AM
Subject: RE: Is there any reason to not upgrade to JAWS 17?


One reason not to upgrade is that all the computer braille symbols are
changed to something else. If you do any programming or html coding, you
might not like the new computer braille symbols. As it is, I go back to jaws
16 when I want to code.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 5:39 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Kimberly <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Is there any reason to not upgrade to JAWS 17?

I wouldn't, especially if you are happy with how jaws 16 is working. In fact
I have gone back to version 16 after discovering some annoying bugs in 17.

I have found the forms mode settings to be quirky at best and totally messed
up at worst. Also numpad differentiation doesn't seem to work in certain
applications.

Kimber

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

On Nov 21, 2015, at 8:38 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Hi,

I'm happily running JAWS 16 on my Windows 7 64-bit laptop, and using
Office 2010.

Is there any reason NOT to upgrade to JAWS 17?

Thanks, Keith

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Re: wwindows 10 question. upgrading/installing

David Moore
 

Hi,
The newest version of the media creation tool is just one file for 64 bit or 32 bit. There are no longer separate ones. Just use the one tool that is available. You will be in good shape. Have a great one.

-----Original Message-----
From: Maggi Ostrowski via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 1:13 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Maggi Ostrowski
Subject: RE: wwindows 10 question. upgrading/installing

Hi Dave,

When I go to the site to download the Media Creation Tool, I don't get a choice of 32 or 64 bit download as you suggest in your most thorough instructions. I did download the Media Creation Tool but am hesitant to proceed with the Windows update.

Help, please!!

My best,

Maggi


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 4:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: wwindows 10 question. upgrading/installing

Hi all.
Here are instructions that will tell you exactly what to do to upgrade to win 10. Ask any questions. Here are all instructions.

Here you go, How to upgrade to Windows 10 with Jaws.
Upgrading to Windows 10 with jaws 16 or 17.
go to:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/Support/TechnicalSupport/Windows10Upgrade
Download the tool called utility tool, leave it in your download folder.
Download jaws 16.0.4350 or Jaws 17, leave it in your download folder for future use.
Download the Microsoft media creation tool at:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
On this web page, Go to download link now 64 bit version or 32 bit version depending on what system you have.
Download the tool and save it to your download folder for future use.
Leave all three of these downloads in your download folder.
Now, if you have not reserved windows 10, please do so.
press enter on the get windows 10 icon in the notification area.
go down the page and fill in your email address ext. this gives you a verification email.
Now, restart your computer.
check for updates, install any updates, restart to make sure you have all the latest updates.
Now you are ready to begin the upgrade to windows 10.
Run the jaws utility tool, this will get rid of any jaws fragmented files and so on from your system.
Tip, after running the F S tool, any time you restart your computer, you will get a message from Jaws saying:.
The mirror drivers are configured incorrectly, press the spacebar on this message.
In w-10, Jaws does not use the mirror drivers, that is the reason for this message.
Next, Run the media creation tool.
yes, for your users account warning.
Choose, update this computer now and press enter.
you are now in an ongoing and updating dialog which says:
Windows 10 is being downloaded, continue using your computer.
This could take anywhere between 30 to 60 minutes, depending on your download speed.
When it is done downloading, it will go through several screens itself updating your computer and will get it ready for windows 10.
Next, there will be a screen asking you to except the license agreement, check the yes and press enter on next.
Again, the program will run through several screens by itself.
Next, press enter on install.
now you will have no speech, this install takes 45 to 60 minutes to complete.
After 1 hour, press the Windows key+enter key to turn on narrator.
Wait for a few minutes if it does not come on right away.
Almost done.
press the next button.
choose express settings.
press the next button.
if done right, in about 10 to 15 minutes, jaws will come on talking on the desktop in your new w-10 PC.
Now, this is very important, uninstall and reinstall jaws 16 or 17.
This will give you the maximum performance in the w-10 environment.
Tips on how to do this.
Go to programs and features, press enter on Jaws 16 or 17.
Say yes, for your user’s account message.
Uninstall Jaws, Keeping shared settings and personal settings.
If the Jaws dialog does not tell you to restart, Turn Narrator on, Windows
key+enter, restart your computer.
Wait the appropriate time for restarting, turn Narrator back on, Windows
key+enter.
Go to your download folder where you have already put the latest Jaws 16 or 17, set up file.
Press enter on the Jaws setup file.
Follow the Jaws prompts, to install Jaws 16 or 17.
After reinstalling jaws, no need for a restart here, jaws will come on talking with all your settings, except for 2 of them.
Redo your shortcut key, control+ALT+j.
Redo the setting to have jaws come on at the log-on screen.
All your other settings will be remembered by Jaws.
For whatever reason if the media tool fails the first time.
Check for updates, restart, and run the tool again.
In w-8.1, this method usually works the first time.
In w-7, you may have to repeat this method two times.
It is a little more difficult going from w-7, to w-10, then from w-8.1 to w-10.
There are more drivers which much be updated by Microsoft for your w-7 computer to upgrade to w-10.
You need no sighted assistance at all.


-----Original Message-----
From: James Malone via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 9:38 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: James Malone
Subject: RE: windows 10 question. upgrading/installing

Hi, I would check on the freedom web site. I would also call the Microsoft support help desk at 1-800-936-5900 and don't press option 1.
Hope this helps.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kristoffer Gustafsson via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 6:24 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Kristoffer Gustafsson <kg.kristoffer@gmail.com>
Subject: wwindows 10 question. upgrading/installing

Hi.
I don't know if this has been discussed on this list, but I ask this anyway.
I want to try out windows 10 on one of my computers.
It says that I shall get a message when I can update.
I've not gotten such a message.
What should I do?

Then I've Heard that you can burn windows 10 o a dvd/usb memory and install that way.
But how do you do that?
I've got no windows 10 Product key, so how can I install that way if I want to?
Say for example, that my computer carshes. I need to buy a new harddrive etc.
Then I've got no operating system in the computer, so I need to be able to install windows 10 /Kristoffer

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Re: Assistance needed with reloading jaws 14

Alex Stone <alex.stone@...>
 

The 64-bit version is:
ftp://ftp.freedomscientific.com/users/hj/private/WebFiles/JAWS/J14.0.9002ENU-32bit.exe
Hope this helps.
Alex
and the 32 bit version is:
ftp://ftp.freedomscientific.com/users/hj/private/WebFiles/JAWS/J14.0.9002ENU-64bit.exe

On 27/11/2015 22:04, Scott Delventhal via Jfw wrote:
I got a new hard drive, but lost my original jaws CDs. I have my
authorization and serial numbers, but freedom scientific is closed today.
Can anybody help me download from their website directly?


Thanks,

Scott

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Assistance needed with reloading jaws 14

Scott Delventhal
 

I got a new hard drive, but lost my original jaws CDs. I have my
authorization and serial numbers, but freedom scientific is closed today.
Can anybody help me download from their website directly?



Thanks,

Scott

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Re: IE downloads

Dennis Brown
 

Thanks, guys! That did it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Stone via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 6:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Alex Stone
Subject: Re: IE downloads

Mario, yes I think it does too, I hadn't thought of this when I sent my
previous message.

On 26/11/2015 23:51, Mario via Jfw wrote:
Dennis, the download has to be paused first and then canceled. at least, that's how to do it in IE10.
maybe it's the same in IE11?


On 11/26/2015 4:36 PM, Dennis Brown via Jfw wrote:
Does anyone know how to get rid of a paused download from the ie download Control+J list? There is no option to delete it, that jaws can get to.
Clear List deletes the entries that have completed downloading, but leaves the paused item.

Thanks,
Dennis Brown
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