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moderated Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

Tyler Wood
 

Very much this. I’d also recommend physically looking at laptop keyboard layouts if you can before buying. I refuse to buy a laptop if I don’t like the layout of its keyboard – having to plug in or connect an external keyboard when out and about especially seems extremely counter intuitive to me when I want portability. Where to put the laptop and where to put my full sized keyboard when I want to actually use it and only have my lap to place it on?

This is just me personally, though – do what works for you – but having a mini desktop computer and a laptop is a fantastic idea, especially if you can just unplug the things you want from the desktop, like headsets or keyboards, and take them with you, even if it’s to another part of the house, for use on the laptop.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

 

A lot of people don’t ever take their laptop anywhere, but if you do or even just like to bring it to different places in your house then a laptop is probably a better choice.

It’s no more difficult or hard to plug an external keyboard whether wired or wireless into a laptop and if you use a Bluetooth one like the Logitech K780 then you don’t even have to plug it in, just connect it.

The same goes for speakers, you can easily plug in external speakers or, once again, you could use a Bluetooth headset.

I do have a laptop at home because I do occasionally bring it to trade shows I attend or when I go on holidays for longer than a week, but at home it almost always sits in my office plugged in and I use a Logitech K780 and a Logitech H800 headset, both are Bluetooth and I can go most places in my house with them.

If I didn’t want a laptop from time to time I could easily have a mini PC at home, those are my preference at my business because they are small, virtually silent and they do all I need them to do. Of course if you want a higher performance one with an I7 CPU, 16Gb of RAM and a 512Gb SSD they may cost a bit more.

I used to have a few of the Intel NUC mini PC’s, but a few years ago bought two HP EliteDesk 800 G2, one with an I5 and one an I7 CPU, both sixth generation,  and by now I only have 1 Intel NUC left, the other 3 are all HP with the latest being the EliteDesk 800G4 with an 8th generation I7 CPU and it’s a great little PC.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

 

One thing you might not have considered is that many laptops no longer have a separate key for the applications (the thing sighted people think of as the right click menu).  Some have a key combination with the fn key and right control key to do the same thing.  Most laptop keyboards are awkward for anyone with other than small hands, and key separation ranges from okay to horrible.  I really suggest buying locally if at all possible, a laptop that may be fine for one person might annoy someone else.  If you can get by without portability, get a desktop, then you can plug in a real keyboard and good speakers more easily.

 

 

On 1/6/2020 21:40, Jim Rawls wrote:

Hi all,

It’s new computer time, and here is what I want on the computer.

1.       A numeric key pad with decent separation between it, and the rest of the keyboard.

2.       An optical disk drive.

3.       At least an intel core 5 processor,

4.       Head phone jack, and I guess these days it’s a combo jack with microphone.

5.       Decent battery life.

6.       And anything else you might recommend. And any thoughts will be appreciated.

7.       Jim

 

moderated Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

In all fairness, when was the last time you actually bought anything on a disk? I have blank dvds from 7 years ago that still haven’t been used up. Unless you watch movies – and in that case, a portable USB dvd drive would be perfect, and cost $10. That way, when you don’t actually use it, you’re not carrying that extra half a pound to a pound constantly.

Phones can’t do everything – if I had to use my phone every day I’d be missing out on tons. Browsing the web on an iPhone is horrifically inefficient – having to use the rotor to find the item I want to jump by, then actually trying to jump by that item, is done so much quicker on any modern laptop or desktop computer with a single keypress. Don’t get me started on apples horrible audio streams and how audio can get interrupted by the smallest thing in 2020 or how multiple audio streams still can’t be a thing. My Lenovo, luckily, still has an applications key, but I’ve noticed more and more that certain things like websites are requiring simulated clicks of the mouse (good luck performing that on any mobile device, too). I really like the layout of the function keys on this machine too – I hate this new design where they are all laid out together with no spacing to separate the various groups.

I don’t think there are any less USB ports on computers than there were 4 years ago – unless you get one with all USB C ports. Mine still has 2 USB A ports along with 2 USB C. I have a USB hub which I keep hard drives and things plugged into, but it’s just a 3 port one and is not externally powered and I rarely use all 3 ports. My Toshiba from 2013 had 3 USB A ports with only one being 3.0 and it is still going today. Despite what many people claim, older machines with solid state drives are still perfectly useable – this has a 3rd generation core i5 that still speedily does everything one could ask in an office environment, so the huge core i7’s are certainly not going to get you any further ahead. In ultra low voltage scenarios, they’re only at most 10% faster than their i5 counterparts. The core i9’s that are coming out now are, in some cases, slower than the i7’s they’re meant to beat. Intel is really dropping the ball the last year.

Still, when crunch time comes, I’ll take a computer over a phone any day of the week, any time. A phone is nice to quickly, forgive the wording, but glance at – but when I want to get work done, a computer is hard to beat.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

 

I used to use a laptop a lot, but with the advent of an iphone, the portability isn't of much use to me anymore.  I take mine on vacation, and that's about it.  Having fewer usb ports on a laptop means each one is going to end up getting more wear.  If one finds themselves constantly plugging and unplugging multiple devices, a cheap hub may be in order.  I think people have defaulted to the laptop as computer scenario, even though phones have made moving a computer around something that may be a lot less necessary than it used to  be.

 

Sad thing is that even some modern desktops don't come with things like built-in dvd drives.  You really have to check the specs on whatever you plan on buying.

 

Keyboards have become more and more of an issue.  Not only are things like the application keys going away, but many desktop keyboards have no key spacing and are horrible.  I bought one of the gaming keyboards, it has all the keys, is supposedly spill proof, and was the best $60 I have spent in a long time.

 

 

 

On 1/7/2020 09:35, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> > A lot of people don’t ever take their laptop anywhere, but if you do > or even just like to bring it to different places in your house then > a laptop is probably a better choice. > > It’s no more difficult or hard to plug an external keyboard whether > wired or wireless into a laptop and if you use a Bluetooth one like > the Logitech K780 then you don’t even have to plug it in, just > connect it. > > The same goes for speakers, you can easily plug in external speakers > or, once again, you could use a Bluetooth headset. > > I do have a laptop at home because I do occasionally bring it to > trade shows I attend or when I go on holidays for longer than a week, > but at home it almost always sits in my office plugged in and I use a > Logitech K780 and a Logitech H800 headset, both are Bluetooth and I > can go most places in my house with them. > > If I didn’t want a laptop from time to time I could easily have a > mini PC at home, those are my preference at my business because they > are small, virtually silent and they do all I need them to do. Of > course if you want a higher performance one with an I7 CPU, 16Gb of > RAM and a 512Gb SSD they may cost a bit more. > > I used to have a few of the Intel NUC mini PC’s, but a few years ago > bought two HP EliteDesk 800 G2, one with an I5 and one an I7 CPU, > both sixth generation, and by now I only have 1 Intel NUC left, the > other 3 are all HP with the latest being the EliteDesk 800G4 with an > 8^th generation I7 CPU and it’s a great little PC. > > > > Best regards, > > Sieghard > > > > *From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Chris > Hill *Sent:* Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:24 AM *To:* > main@jfw.groups.io

moderated Re: What does "on top" window mean?

JM Casey
 

Hey guys.

 

I believe “on top” means just what it implies – when a window is “on top”, it means it appears “onn top” of other windows and windows will not pop open “over top” of it. This is mostly a visual thing I guess; good if you are working and don’t want to be distracted by other stuff. As far as I know, it’s not the same as “full screen”.

 

Anyway, any programmes that run in background or aren’t needed should be minimisable to the system tray or even just sit on the taskbar and not actually have an active window. Antivirus programmes definitely should not be so obtrusive. See if you can look into tweaking some settings; if this is at work, you can probably ask the service desk for help if you have one and don’t feel like messing around with whatever they installed on your machine.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: January 7, 2020 11:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What does "on top" window mean?

 

Good question. I‘ve wondered this, too.  In my current list, I have three programs showing as “on top”.  Each of these is one I do not launch, but are auto-launched by my company or my laptop.  I actually wish that I could have a checkbox that allowed me to hide these from the list view.  If I use this function to move between programs, it just feels like clutter to have our antivirus and other programs in the list.

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:29 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: What does "on top" window mean?

 

Hi!

 

If I press JAWSKey+F10, I get a list of all open windows.  Sometimes, it indicates that a particular window is “on top.”  And, this dialogue has a checkbox to show only windows that are “on top.”  So, what does it mean that a window is “on top?”

 

Thanks,

Richard



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moderated Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

Zel Iscel
 

Hi all,

 

My laptop and mobile phone comprise my mobile office. I travel in and out of Australia with them. Consequently, I buy small laptops with no DVD player and no numeric keypad. I don’t like to carry too many things so I don’t use an external keyboard either.

 

Probably needless to say but portability is important for me, as well as speed. I used to be a Toshiba fan too Maria, but I find they’re no good now. Last year I bought a ruggedised HP ProBook 640 G4 with 16GB RAM, and it’s working very well. It’s a little heavier than what I’d usually get but I believe that’s because of the AMD graphics card it comes with. I didn’t want Intel this time because it relies on the processor and thus slows down the computer. Graphics cards such as AMD, operate separately from the processor so the laptop is a lot faster.

 

The laptop wasn’t cheap but I couldn’t run my business without it so I don’t mind investing money on a good one.

 

So my advice when buying a new computer is to really think about what you’re going to do with it and what features you need to do what you’re going to do with it.

 

Hope that helps.

Zel

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, 7 January 2020 11:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

 

A lot of people don’t ever take their laptop anywhere, but if you do or even just like to bring it to different places in your house then a laptop is probably a better choice.

It’s no more difficult or hard to plug an external keyboard whether wired or wireless into a laptop and if you use a Bluetooth one like the Logitech K780 then you don’t even have to plug it in, just connect it.

I do have a laptop at home because I do occasionally bring it to trade shows I attend or when I go on holidays for longer than a week, but at home it almost always sits in my office plugged in and I use a Logitech K780 and a Logitech H800 headset, both are Bluetooth and I can go most places in my house with them.

If I didn’t want a laptop from time to time I could easily have a mini PC at home, those are my preference at my business because they are small, virtually silent and they do all I need them to do. Of course if you want a higher performance one with an I7 CPU, 16Gb of RAM and a 512Gb SSD they may cost a bit more.

I used to have a few of the Intel NUC mini PC’s, but a few years ago bought two HP EliteDesk 800 G2, one with an I5 and one an I7 CPU, both sixth generation,  and by now I only have 1 Intel NUC left, the other 3 are all HP with the latest being the EliteDesk 800G4 with an 8th generation I7 CPU and it’s a great little PC.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

 

One thing you might not have considered is that many laptops no longer have a separate key for the applications (the thing sighted people think of as the right click menu).  Some have a key combination with the fn key and right control key to do the same thing.  Most laptop keyboards are awkward for anyone with other than small hands, and key separation ranges from okay to horrible.  I really suggest buying locally if at all possible, a laptop that may be fine for one person might annoy someone else.  If you can get by without portability, get a desktop, then you can plug in a real keyboard and good speakers more easily.

 

 

On 1/6/2020 21:40, Jim Rawls wrote:

Hi all,

It’s new computer time, and here is what I want on the computer.

1.       A numeric key pad with decent separation between it, and the rest of the keyboard.

2.       An optical disk drive.

3.       At least an intel core 5 processor,

4.       Head phone jack, and I guess these days it’s a combo jack with microphone.

5.       Decent battery life.

6.       And anything else you might recommend. And any thoughts will be appreciated.

7.       Jim

 

moderated Re: latest Jaws and emails reading as tables

Adrian Spratt
 

Tom,

 

I notice that no one has responded to your post. My system is the same as yours except I’m using Outlook 2016, not 2013, and thunderbird. However, I am having the same problem. I don’t have a solution; only workarounds.

 

I get table announcements inconsistently. Sometimes a table-formatted message opens and reads fine, other times I have your problem. The fastest way for me to read a problem message is to select all with control-a, then copy with control-c, and then paste with control-v into Notepad. I use Notepad for this purpose because it opens instantaneously.

 

Obviously, I can’t click on any links in the email when the content is in Notepad. If I want to click a link, I go back to the message and tab until that link is spoken.

 

An alternative is to close the message and reopen it. sometimes JAWS then reads it just fine.

 

The third method is to close JAWS and reload it. This method always makes the message readable, but it doesn’t keep working for other messages afterwards.

 

Again, I know this isn’t ideal. Anyone having this problem should write to Vispero to get it fixed. Tom and I can’t be the only JAWS users experiencing it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of tom x
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 12:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: latest Jaws and emails reading as tables

 

                Hi,

 

Using latest W10 64bit and Jaws 2020,Outlook 2013 and latest Thunderbird.

 

I am having a problem which is driving me nuts when reading or arrowing down through a message.  Jaws will say something like 

table with 1 columns and 1 rows nesting level 3

While the table size and nesting level may change, the level of annoyance does not.

 

This problem has only been noticed since updating to the latest version of Jaws.

 

Can someone please explain how to change Jaw's behaviour when reading emails?

 

Thanks

 

Tom

moderated Re: What does "on top" window mean?

Van Lant, Robin
 

Good question. I‘ve wondered this, too.  In my current list, I have three programs showing as “on top”.  Each of these is one I do not launch, but are auto-launched by my company or my laptop.  I actually wish that I could have a checkbox that allowed me to hide these from the list view.  If I use this function to move between programs, it just feels like clutter to have our antivirus and other programs in the list.

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:29 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: What does "on top" window mean?

 

Hi!

 

If I press JAWSKey+F10, I get a list of all open windows.  Sometimes, it indicates that a particular window is “on top.”  And, this dialogue has a checkbox to show only windows that are “on top.”  So, what does it mean that a window is “on top?”

 

Thanks,

Richard



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moderated Re: laptops

David Diamond
 

A blind person told a group with all the gadgets we have to carry around we need a big backpack with us. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: January 6, 2020 10:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: laptops

 

Hi. Well good luck. Most laptops these days, don’t come with a optical drive. You can get a blue tooth or wireless. Means having to carry around. If you can get one with a cd drive, good luck. I have an assus vivo book x 540 uar, and no optical drive. And my mom has a Lenovo idea pad 330s, and no optical drive. With the specifications, a intel I 3 5 or higher if you can get I 3 7 or I 3 8, with at least 8 to 16 gb ram, a solid state drive, try to get 500 gb or 1 tb, and maybe a second ssd. And also make sure it has dolby sound. And a good keyboard. Also good battery life. My laptop, can get up to 7 or 8 hours battery. And does not come with an extended number pad. You have to get an added on. Which makes it more having to carry around more things. And also usb 3. If possible. I got my 15 inch screen. Also some laptops, the number lock key is on the right hand bottom side or down the side of the keyboard, not on the number row or function keys. Marvin.

moderated Elbraille 40?

Jessica D
 

Hi,
I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.

Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.

Thanks,

Jessica

moderated Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

Maria Campbell
 

My preference for laptops was Toshiba, but they are hard to get these days at reasonable prices.  I now have a Lenovo, which is OK, with a numbers pad and DVD drive.  I use an external keyboard or blue tooth one.  I don't mind carrying it in a computer bag when I travel.


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On 1/7/2020 10:35 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

A lot of people don’t ever take their laptop anywhere, but if you do or even just like to bring it to different places in your house then a laptop is probably a better choice.

It’s no more difficult or hard to plug an external keyboard whether wired or wireless into a laptop and if you use a Bluetooth one like the Logitech K780 then you don’t even have to plug it in, just connect it.

The same goes for speakers, you can easily plug in external speakers or, once again, you could use a Bluetooth headset.

I do have a laptop at home because I do occasionally bring it to trade shows I attend or when I go on holidays for longer than a week, but at home it almost always sits in my office plugged in and I use a Logitech K780 and a Logitech H800 headset, both are Bluetooth and I can go most places in my house with them.

If I didn’t want a laptop from time to time I could easily have a mini PC at home, those are my preference at my business because they are small, virtually silent and they do all I need them to do. Of course if you want a higher performance one with an I7 CPU, 16Gb of RAM and a 512Gb SSD they may cost a bit more.

I used to have a few of the Intel NUC mini PC’s, but a few years ago bought two HP EliteDesk 800 G2, one with an I5 and one an I7 CPU, both sixth generation,  and by now I only have 1 Intel NUC left, the other 3 are all HP with the latest being the EliteDesk 800G4 with an 8th generation I7 CPU and it’s a great little PC.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

 

One thing you might not have considered is that many laptops no longer have a separate key for the applications (the thing sighted people think of as the right click menu).  Some have a key combination with the fn key and right control key to do the same thing.  Most laptop keyboards are awkward for anyone with other than small hands, and key separation ranges from okay to horrible.  I really suggest buying locally if at all possible, a laptop that may be fine for one person might annoy someone else.  If you can get by without portability, get a desktop, then you can plug in a real keyboard and good speakers more easily.

 

 

On 1/6/2020 21:40, Jim Rawls wrote:

Hi all,

It’s new computer time, and here is what I want on the computer.

1.       A numeric key pad with decent separation between it, and the rest of the keyboard.

2.       An optical disk drive.

3.       At least an intel core 5 processor,

4.       Head phone jack, and I guess these days it’s a combo jack with microphone.

5.       Decent battery life.

6.       And anything else you might recommend. And any thoughts will be appreciated.

7.       Jim

 

moderated Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

Chris Hill
 

I used to use a laptop a lot, but with the advent of an iphone, the portability isn't of much use to me anymore.  I take mine on vacation, and that's about it.  Having fewer usb ports on a laptop means each one is going to end up getting more wear.  If one finds themselves constantly plugging and unplugging multiple devices, a cheap hub may be in order.  I think people have defaulted to the laptop as computer scenario, even though phones have made moving a computer around something that may be a lot less necessary than it used to  be.


Sad thing is that even some modern desktops don't come with things like built-in dvd drives.  You really have to check the specs on whatever you plan on buying.


Keyboards have become more and more of an issue.  Not only are things like the application keys going away, but many desktop keyboards have no key spacing and are horrible.  I bought one of the gaming keyboards, it has all the keys, is supposedly spill proof, and was the best $60 I have spent in a long time.




On 1/7/2020 09:35, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> > A lot of people don’t ever take their laptop anywhere, but if you do > or even just like to bring it to different places in your house then > a laptop is probably a better choice. > > It’s no more difficult or hard to plug an external keyboard whether > wired or wireless into a laptop and if you use a Bluetooth one like > the Logitech K780 then you don’t even have to plug it in, just > connect it. > > The same goes for speakers, you can easily plug in external speakers > or, once again, you could use a Bluetooth headset. > > I do have a laptop at home because I do occasionally bring it to > trade shows I attend or when I go on holidays for longer than a week, > but at home it almost always sits in my office plugged in and I use a > Logitech K780 and a Logitech H800 headset, both are Bluetooth and I > can go most places in my house with them. > > If I didn’t want a laptop from time to time I could easily have a > mini PC at home, those are my preference at my business because they > are small, virtually silent and they do all I need them to do. Of > course if you want a higher performance one with an I7 CPU, 16Gb of > RAM and a 512Gb SSD they may cost a bit more. > > I used to have a few of the Intel NUC mini PC’s, but a few years ago > bought two HP EliteDesk 800 G2, one with an I5 and one an I7 CPU, > both sixth generation, and by now I only have 1 Intel NUC left, the > other 3 are all HP with the latest being the EliteDesk 800G4 with an > 8^th generation I7 CPU and it’s a great little PC. > > > > Best regards, > > Sieghard > > > > *From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Chris > Hill *Sent:* Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:24 AM *To:* > main@jfw.groups.io

moderated Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

 

A lot of people don’t ever take their laptop anywhere, but if you do or even just like to bring it to different places in your house then a laptop is probably a better choice.

It’s no more difficult or hard to plug an external keyboard whether wired or wireless into a laptop and if you use a Bluetooth one like the Logitech K780 then you don’t even have to plug it in, just connect it.

The same goes for speakers, you can easily plug in external speakers or, once again, you could use a Bluetooth headset.

I do have a laptop at home because I do occasionally bring it to trade shows I attend or when I go on holidays for longer than a week, but at home it almost always sits in my office plugged in and I use a Logitech K780 and a Logitech H800 headset, both are Bluetooth and I can go most places in my house with them.

If I didn’t want a laptop from time to time I could easily have a mini PC at home, those are my preference at my business because they are small, virtually silent and they do all I need them to do. Of course if you want a higher performance one with an I7 CPU, 16Gb of RAM and a 512Gb SSD they may cost a bit more.

I used to have a few of the Intel NUC mini PC’s, but a few years ago bought two HP EliteDesk 800 G2, one with an I5 and one an I7 CPU, both sixth generation,  and by now I only have 1 Intel NUC left, the other 3 are all HP with the latest being the EliteDesk 800G4 with an 8th generation I7 CPU and it’s a great little PC.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

 

One thing you might not have considered is that many laptops no longer have a separate key for the applications (the thing sighted people think of as the right click menu).  Some have a key combination with the fn key and right control key to do the same thing.  Most laptop keyboards are awkward for anyone with other than small hands, and key separation ranges from okay to horrible.  I really suggest buying locally if at all possible, a laptop that may be fine for one person might annoy someone else.  If you can get by without portability, get a desktop, then you can plug in a real keyboard and good speakers more easily.

 

 

On 1/6/2020 21:40, Jim Rawls wrote:

Hi all,

It’s new computer time, and here is what I want on the computer.

1.       A numeric key pad with decent separation between it, and the rest of the keyboard.

2.       An optical disk drive.

3.       At least an intel core 5 processor,

4.       Head phone jack, and I guess these days it’s a combo jack with microphone.

5.       Decent battery life.

6.       And anything else you might recommend. And any thoughts will be appreciated.

7.       Jim

 

moderated What does "on top" window mean?

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi!

 

If I press JAWSKey+F10, I get a list of all open windows.  Sometimes, it indicates that a particular window is “on top.”  And, this dialogue has a checkbox to show only windows that are “on top.”  So, what does it mean that a window is “on top?”

 

Thanks,

Richard

moderated Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

Chris Hill
 

One thing you might not have considered is that many laptops no longer have a separate key for the applications (the thing sighted people think of as the right click menu).  Some have a key combination with the fn key and right control key to do the same thing.  Most laptop keyboards are awkward for anyone with other than small hands, and key separation ranges from okay to horrible.  I really suggest buying locally if at all possible, a laptop that may be fine for one person might annoy someone else.  If you can get by without portability, get a desktop, then you can plug in a real keyboard and good speakers more easily.



On 1/6/2020 21:40, Jim Rawls wrote:

Hi all,

It’s new computer time, and here is what I want on the computer.

1.       A numeric key pad with decent separation between it, and the rest of the keyboard.

2.       An optical disk drive.

3.       At least an intel core 5 processor,

4.       Head phone jack, and I guess these days it’s a combo jack with microphone.

5.       Decent battery life.

6.       And anything else you might recommend. And any thoughts will be appreciated.

7.       Jim

 

moderated Re: Focus 40, not really needing Bluetooth for PC

Mario
 

all attachments are stripped on this list, so you'll have to provide the
document some other way, maybe via dropbox so others can get a copy and
find the info helpful?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Ashleigh Piccinino [mailto:apiccinino@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, January 6, 2020, 9:15 PM
Subject: Focus 40, not really needing Bluetooth for PC
Hello,
I am not sure about having a Bluetooth adapter for connecting the Focus
40 Braille display to the PC. However, if you have its USB cable, you
can connect it to the USB port on your pc. I will attach a document
which might help with some things—not finding the USB Bluetooth
connector, though, I’m afraid. Yet, I hope this helps with other Focus
problems you might have in the future
Ashleigh S. Piccinino

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

From: Juan Hernandez<mailto:juanhernandez98@...>
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 5:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: bluetooth adapters

Hi All,

I wanted to connect my focus 40 via Bluetooth to my desktop. Can
someone recommend a good Bluetooth usb dongle that would work?

Best,

Juan

moderated Re: laptops

Jason White
 

My Lenovo P51 laptop has the numeric keys. Some of the newer models in the same series may also include them. It’s heavy and can be awkward to carry, but it performs wonderfully with JAWS or, for that matter, NVDA.

 

From: <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...>
Reply-To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 02:35
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: laptops

 

Hi,

An i5 should get you by just fine, but may I also recommend the AMD Ryzen 5 series. No longer is AMD in simply budget notebooks, and it has comporable performance to Intel with great batterylife these days.

Optical drives are hard to come by, especially in decent laptops these days, but a $10 USB optical drive should get you by just fine.

Most laptops are doing away with numpads, though I think there are a few 15-17 inch models around. It’s honestly hard to find that in the specifications – a lot of them have now switched to using the j, k, and l keys as well as those above and below as the numpad, but a lot of times not even that.

Be careful using Dolbi audio as it can reek heck with screen readers – Dell’s audio is a huge no no for me and why I’ll never own another dell laptop again. It makes speech echo, and the beginnings of words and things can cut off. Plus it can be a pain to navigate through its settings.

My Lenovo has dolbi atmos but it doesn’t appear to do anything to the screen reader apart from change the volume and maybe low frequencies just a little, but it can be disabled easily enough through sound settings in Windows.

I have the Thinkpad X1 extreme, which gets about 7.5-8 hours of battery on a good day. It is also probably a lot more computer than most including me need, but I bought it with the express purpose of keeping the machine for years to come – if you do find a 1st generation x1 extreme at a good price and can get warranty, I highly recommend it. I’ve had this since May and do not regret it a single bit. The 2nd generation is likely more expensive and not much more computer – a slight upgrade to the processor and GPU that is about 3% faster most likely. No, it does not have an optical drive, but it does have a headset jack, 2 USB A ports as well as 2 USB C ports. It has an sd card slot and the card goes in all the way and is spring loaded with about half an inch sticking out, just enough to push on with your finger but not enough to get caught on something. The build quality is stellar, and the keyboard, don’t get me started on how wonderful and amazing it is to type on. It has just enough key travel to not go clackity clack if you hit a key too hard, but the keys are still really firm and nice to press on. It has no silly touch screen or anything of that nature, so no need to worry about that. It has a 15 inch screen and weighs in just under 4 pounds. Most things are easily gotten to with just a few screws – even the battery – so nothing is glued on or slaughtered in. It has the ability to hold 2 NVME solid state drives – which are little tiny rectangles that slot into the motherboard itself and can hold anywhere from 128 gb to 1 tb of data each. It can also hold up to 32 gb of ram and has the ability to be fitted with either an i5, i7 or i9 processor. I wanted the i5, however the i7 was on special for only $50 more, so ended up with that. If I did it over again I’d honestly go with the i5 – it’s an h series processor, which means it isn’t ultra low voltage. The i7 has 6 real cores that, with hyper threading, windows sees as 12. The i5 version of this has 4 cores and 8 threads. It charges from dead in about an hour and a half despite all of this power.

 

I hope I didn’t go too far in explaining this, I just wanted to give a clear explanation as to what you were specifically in for if you did. Again – super solid, reliable, and speedy computer that will last for years to come since it’s so easy to service. Even the fan is easy to get to and clean. I know it has no numpad, but do remember there are alternative commands to use, though a numpad is definitely nice if you’re dealing with numbers all day.

 

I hope I’ve helped and don’t be afraid to contact me off list if you have any more questions.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 12:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: laptops

 

Hi. Well good luck. Most laptops these days, don’t come with a optical drive. You can get a blue tooth or wireless. Means having to carry around. If you can get one with a cd drive, good luck. I have an assus vivo book x 540 uar, and no optical drive. And my mom has a Lenovo idea pad 330s, and no optical drive. With the specifications, a intel I 3 5 or higher if you can get I 3 7 or I 3 8, with at least 8 to 16 gb ram, a solid state drive, try to get 500 gb or 1 tb, and maybe a second ssd. And also make sure it has dolby sound. And a good keyboard. Also good battery life. My laptop, can get up to 7 or 8 hours battery. And does not come with an extended number pad. You have to get an added on. Which makes it more having to carry around more things. And also usb 3. If possible. I got my 15 inch screen. Also some laptops, the number lock key is on the right hand bottom side or down the side of the keyboard, not on the number row or function keys. Marvin.

moderated Re: laptops

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

An i5 should get you by just fine, but may I also recommend the AMD Ryzen 5 series. No longer is AMD in simply budget notebooks, and it has comporable performance to Intel with great batterylife these days.

Optical drives are hard to come by, especially in decent laptops these days, but a $10 USB optical drive should get you by just fine.

Most laptops are doing away with numpads, though I think there are a few 15-17 inch models around. It’s honestly hard to find that in the specifications – a lot of them have now switched to using the j, k, and l keys as well as those above and below as the numpad, but a lot of times not even that.

Be careful using Dolbi audio as it can reek heck with screen readers – Dell’s audio is a huge no no for me and why I’ll never own another dell laptop again. It makes speech echo, and the beginnings of words and things can cut off. Plus it can be a pain to navigate through its settings.

My Lenovo has dolbi atmos but it doesn’t appear to do anything to the screen reader apart from change the volume and maybe low frequencies just a little, but it can be disabled easily enough through sound settings in Windows.

I have the Thinkpad X1 extreme, which gets about 7.5-8 hours of battery on a good day. It is also probably a lot more computer than most including me need, but I bought it with the express purpose of keeping the machine for years to come – if you do find a 1st generation x1 extreme at a good price and can get warranty, I highly recommend it. I’ve had this since May and do not regret it a single bit. The 2nd generation is likely more expensive and not much more computer – a slight upgrade to the processor and GPU that is about 3% faster most likely. No, it does not have an optical drive, but it does have a headset jack, 2 USB A ports as well as 2 USB C ports. It has an sd card slot and the card goes in all the way and is spring loaded with about half an inch sticking out, just enough to push on with your finger but not enough to get caught on something. The build quality is stellar, and the keyboard, don’t get me started on how wonderful and amazing it is to type on. It has just enough key travel to not go clackity clack if you hit a key too hard, but the keys are still really firm and nice to press on. It has no silly touch screen or anything of that nature, so no need to worry about that. It has a 15 inch screen and weighs in just under 4 pounds. Most things are easily gotten to with just a few screws – even the battery – so nothing is glued on or slaughtered in. It has the ability to hold 2 NVME solid state drives – which are little tiny rectangles that slot into the motherboard itself and can hold anywhere from 128 gb to 1 tb of data each. It can also hold up to 32 gb of ram and has the ability to be fitted with either an i5, i7 or i9 processor. I wanted the i5, however the i7 was on special for only $50 more, so ended up with that. If I did it over again I’d honestly go with the i5 – it’s an h series processor, which means it isn’t ultra low voltage. The i7 has 6 real cores that, with hyper threading, windows sees as 12. The i5 version of this has 4 cores and 8 threads. It charges from dead in about an hour and a half despite all of this power.

 

I hope I didn’t go too far in explaining this, I just wanted to give a clear explanation as to what you were specifically in for if you did. Again – super solid, reliable, and speedy computer that will last for years to come since it’s so easy to service. Even the fan is easy to get to and clean. I know it has no numpad, but do remember there are alternative commands to use, though a numpad is definitely nice if you’re dealing with numbers all day.

 

I hope I’ve helped and don’t be afraid to contact me off list if you have any more questions.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 12:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: laptops

 

Hi. Well good luck. Most laptops these days, don’t come with a optical drive. You can get a blue tooth or wireless. Means having to carry around. If you can get one with a cd drive, good luck. I have an assus vivo book x 540 uar, and no optical drive. And my mom has a Lenovo idea pad 330s, and no optical drive. With the specifications, a intel I 3 5 or higher if you can get I 3 7 or I 3 8, with at least 8 to 16 gb ram, a solid state drive, try to get 500 gb or 1 tb, and maybe a second ssd. And also make sure it has dolby sound. And a good keyboard. Also good battery life. My laptop, can get up to 7 or 8 hours battery. And does not come with an extended number pad. You have to get an added on. Which makes it more having to carry around more things. And also usb 3. If possible. I got my 15 inch screen. Also some laptops, the number lock key is on the right hand bottom side or down the side of the keyboard, not on the number row or function keys. Marvin.

moderated laptops

Marvin Hunkin
 

Hi. Well good luck. Most laptops these days, don’t come with a optical drive. You can get a blue tooth or wireless. Means having to carry around. If you can get one with a cd drive, good luck. I have an assus vivo book x 540 uar, and no optical drive. And my mom has a Lenovo idea pad 330s, and no optical drive. With the specifications, a intel I 3 5 or higher if you can get I 3 7 or I 3 8, with at least 8 to 16 gb ram, a solid state drive, try to get 500 gb or 1 tb, and maybe a second ssd. And also make sure it has dolby sound. And a good keyboard. Also good battery life. My laptop, can get up to 7 or 8 hours battery. And does not come with an extended number pad. You have to get an added on. Which makes it more having to carry around more things. And also usb 3. If possible. I got my 15 inch screen. Also some laptops, the number lock key is on the right hand bottom side or down the side of the keyboard, not on the number row or function keys. Marvin.

moderated latest Jaws and emails reading as tables

tom x
 

                Hi,

 

Using latest W10 64bit and Jaws 2020,Outlook 2013 and latest Thunderbird.

 

I am having a problem which is driving me nuts when reading or arrowing down through a message.  Jaws will say something like 

table with 1 columns and 1 rows nesting level 3

While the table size and nesting level may change, the level of annoyance does not.

 

This problem has only been noticed since updating to the latest version of Jaws.

 

Can someone please explain how to change Jaw's behaviour when reading emails?

 

Thanks

 

Tom

moderated Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

Mike B
 

Hi Jim,
 
The Jaws-Users list was shutdown many months ago.  The new email list / group that was started to take its place is called, jfw-users@groups.io, and you can subscribe to this list using the link below.
 
 
 

Take care.  Mike.  Sennt from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Rawls
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 7:40 PM
Subject: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

Hi all,

It’s new computer time, and here is what I want on the computer.

1.       A numeric key pad with decent separation between it, and the rest of the keyboard.

2.       An optical disk drive.

3.       At least an intel core 5 processor,

4.       Head phone jack, and I guess these days it’s a combo jack with microphone.

5.       Decent battery life.

6.       And anything else you might recommend. And any thoughts will be appreciated.

7.       Jim

 

moderated Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

Brian K. Lingard
 

Shalom Bill & List:

Trust you had a great Hanukkah. I am Reform. Like how I can choose my observance level and my maker will understand.

Sounds like a wonderful large print keyboard.

main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf of Bill Tessore
Sent: Monday, Jamari\]up keyboard.

Shalom Brian K. Lingard, PS I am a convert. Like the outlook on life. The goyem would be better off if they had a steaming hot cup of tea or coffee and a light smack with their bible studies. ary 6, 2020 11:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

 

I got a USB enabled ZoomText keyboard for my laptop . The keys are much more well separated, larger than the laptop’s and the characters are bold, large, and highly contrasted with the black keys.

 

Shalom,

 

Bill Tessore

 

 



On Jan 6, 2020, at 7:40 PM, Jim Rawls <jazzpiano@...> wrote:



Hi all,

It’s new computer time, and here is what I want on the computer.

1.       A numeric key pad with decent separation between it, and the rest of the keyboard.

2.       An optical disk drives.

3.       At least an intel core 5 processor,

4.       Head phone jack, and I guess these days it’s a combo jack with microphone.

5.       Decent battery life.

6.       And anything else you might recommend. And any thoughts will be appreciated.

7.       Jim