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moderated Re: having trouble with links

Richard Turner
 

I’ve not had any issues.

How are you getting to the links?

On web sites, it is more reliable to tab or use the next link command.

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 7:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: having trouble with links

 

Hi Group:

 

Since I installed the JAWS 2021 version, I have started having trouble opening links. At first I noticed it with Windows Mail, but now it happens on websites. Do any of you have the same issues? Is this something connected with the latest update? Or is it my computer? It’s getting frustrating.

 

I’m using a desktop with Windows 10 and the latest JAWS.

 

Can anyone help?

 

 

Shirley Tracy

 


moderated having trouble with links

Shirley Tracy
 

Hi Group:

 

Since I installed the JAWS 2021 version, I have started having trouble opening links. At first I noticed it with Windows Mail, but now it happens on websites. Do any of you have the same issues? Is this something connected with the latest update? Or is it my computer? It’s getting frustrating.

 

I’m using a desktop with Windows 10 and the latest JAWS.

 

Can anyone help?

 

 

Shirley Tracy

 


moderated Re: switching to running programs

Sharon
 

I had the same problem with Jaws 2020 but not when I moved to Jaws 2021. For a work-around at the time, windows-tab followed by left and right arrow keys was how I functioned until Jaws 2021 was installed.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of T. Civitello
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 1:06 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: switching to running programs

 

I have a slight problem. If I have more than 2 programs running and I try to switch to the 3rd or 4th program with alt, tab I can only switch to the first 2  programs that are  running. Using insert F10 I can see all 4 running programs and switch to the one I want to use. Makes it difficult when I am paying bills and have running the bank, Jaws and my bills paid document. Every time I switch to see what and how much the net  bill is I have tuse insert F10 to switch to the bills paid document. Never was this way till Jaws 2021. How do I get back to where I can alt tab to all the open programs.  Thanks Tom


moderated Re: How Can I Copy a Link inside Zoom Chat with JAWS?

David Kingsbury
 

Hello,

 

Try copying the virtual window text to your clipboard as follows:

1.      While in the meeting, press Alt H to get to Chat.

2.      Tab once to the list of Chats and press Insert Alt W to virtualize this window.

3.      Press Control A to select all the text and Control C to copy it.

4.      Open up a blank Word document and Press Control V to paste it in.

 

David


moderated Re: switching to running programs

Douglas C. DeCamp
 

Tom,

I have this happen to me on rare occasions.  I have pretty much determined it occurs when my real memory gets a bit short.  If I re-boot it goes away.  Like I said, this is really rare for me, but if it occurred more often I probably would change my memory settings. In my case, I believe it occurs because of the way I set my real / virtual memory.

When it happens I use the Win key + tab to find the pgm I want.

  • Hth ---

roups.io> On Behalf Of T. Civitello
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 12:06 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: switching to running programs

 

I have a slight problem. If I have more than 2 programs running and I try to switch to the 3rd or 4th program with alt, tab I can only switch to the first 2  programs that are  running. Using insert F10 I can see all 4 running programs and switch to the one I want to use. Makes it difficult when I am paying bills and have running the bank, Jaws and my bills paid document. Every time I switch to see what and how much the net  bill is I have tuse insert F10 to switch to the bills paid document. Never was this way till Jaws 2021. How do I get back to where I can alt tab to all the open programs.  Thanks Tom


moderated Re: switching to running programs

NFB Lab 4
 

The other thing you can do is use the windows key tab. This will bring up the same list as alt tabbing, but you don’t have to hold anything down. After bringing it up, left or right arrow until you get to the program you want and press enter.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 1:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: switching to running programs

 

Hi, Tom. Have you tried exiting JAWS, running Narrator, and trying to ALT TAB between three or more programs? Does it work, or are you still restricted to switching between only the last two programs? If you are restricted using Narrator, it is a Windows problem, not a JAWS 2021 problem. If, indeed, JAWS is what is restricting your view of the programs with ALT TAB, I don't know what to tell you. I am using JAWS 2021, and I am not having this problem.

 

One thing you might try is to use the command,

 

JAWS key plus SPACE, followed by Z

 

to put you into Alternate User Directory mode. This will cause all JAWS configurations to become temporarily inactive until you perform the same command,

 

JAWS key plus SPACE, followed by Z

 

again. This will help you to determine if it is something in your JAWS user settings that is causing this restriction in switching between programs.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of T. Civitello
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 10:06 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: switching to running programs

 

I have a slight problem. If I have more than 2 programs running and I try to switch to the 3rd or 4th program with alt, tab I can only switch to the first 2  programs that are  running. Using insert F10 I can see all 4 running programs and switch to the one I want to use. Makes it difficult when I am paying bills and have running the bank, Jaws and my bills paid document. Every time I switch to see what and how much the net  bill is I have tuse insert F10 to switch to the bills paid document. Never was this way till Jaws 2021. How do I get back to where I can alt tab to all the open programs.  Thanks Tom


moderated Re: switching to running programs

NFB Lab 4
 

Are you holding down the alt key while you press tab, or are you letting up each time?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 1:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: switching to running programs

 

Hi, Tom. Have you tried exiting JAWS, running Narrator, and trying to ALT TAB between three or more programs? Does it work, or are you still restricted to switching between only the last two programs? If you are restricted using Narrator, it is a Windows problem, not a JAWS 2021 problem. If, indeed, JAWS is what is restricting your view of the programs with ALT TAB, I don't know what to tell you. I am using JAWS 2021, and I am not having this problem.

 

One thing you might try is to use the command,

 

JAWS key plus SPACE, followed by Z

 

to put you into Alternate User Directory mode. This will cause all JAWS configurations to become temporarily inactive until you perform the same command,

 

JAWS key plus SPACE, followed by Z

 

again. This will help you to determine if it is something in your JAWS user settings that is causing this restriction in switching between programs.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of T. Civitello
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 10:06 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: switching to running programs

 

I have a slight problem. If I have more than 2 programs running and I try to switch to the 3rd or 4th program with alt, tab I can only switch to the first 2  programs that are  running. Using insert F10 I can see all 4 running programs and switch to the one I want to use. Makes it difficult when I am paying bills and have running the bank, Jaws and my bills paid document. Every time I switch to see what and how much the net  bill is I have tuse insert F10 to switch to the bills paid document. Never was this way till Jaws 2021. How do I get back to where I can alt tab to all the open programs.  Thanks Tom


moderated Access to network licence via VPN

Jacob
 

Hi!


In the job we use network licences for JAWS and ZoomText. It works fine but if a client leave the building the licence is ofcourse lost. Does any one know if it's possible to get access to a licence if I install a VPN server on the PC that host the licence server? Then the clients can connect via VPN when they're out of range on our wifi to grab a licence. Also one more important question. If it's possible will it be legal then? The meaning is ofcourse only to give access to the licences for our own PC's.


OZ0TE Jacob


moderated Re: switching to running programs

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Tom. Have you tried exiting JAWS, running Narrator, and trying to ALT TAB between three or more programs? Does it work, or are you still restricted to switching between only the last two programs? If you are restricted using Narrator, it is a Windows problem, not a JAWS 2021 problem. If, indeed, JAWS is what is restricting your view of the programs with ALT TAB, I don't know what to tell you. I am using JAWS 2021, and I am not having this problem.

 

One thing you might try is to use the command,

 

JAWS key plus SPACE, followed by Z

 

to put you into Alternate User Directory mode. This will cause all JAWS configurations to become temporarily inactive until you perform the same command,

 

JAWS key plus SPACE, followed by Z

 

again. This will help you to determine if it is something in your JAWS user settings that is causing this restriction in switching between programs.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of T. Civitello
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 10:06 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: switching to running programs

 

I have a slight problem. If I have more than 2 programs running and I try to switch to the 3rd or 4th program with alt, tab I can only switch to the first 2  programs that are  running. Using insert F10 I can see all 4 running programs and switch to the one I want to use. Makes it difficult when I am paying bills and have running the bank, Jaws and my bills paid document. Every time I switch to see what and how much the net  bill is I have tuse insert F10 to switch to the bills paid document. Never was this way till Jaws 2021. How do I get back to where I can alt tab to all the open programs.  Thanks Tom


moderated switching to running programs

T. Civitello
 

I have a slight problem. If I have more than 2 programs running and I try to switch to the 3rd or 4th program with alt, tab I can only switch to the first 2  programs that are  running. Using insert F10 I can see all 4 running programs and switch to the one I want to use. Makes it difficult when I am paying bills and have running the bank, Jaws and my bills paid document. Every time I switch to see what and how much the net  bill is I have tuse insert F10 to switch to the bills paid document. Never was this way till Jaws 2021. How do I get back to where I can alt tab to all the open programs.  Thanks Tom


moderated Re: JAWS 2021

 

Simply a bit of reduction in verbage, most of us know which version of Jaws they have so I quite like it that all it says is "Jaws", if you don't know which version you have you can go to Jaws > About as was suggested.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pastor Gilbert Pries
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 2:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2021

 

Yes, I've noticed this.

However, when you go to the about jaws, it says home edition.

Pastor Gilbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Summers via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 12:42 PM
To: JAWS <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: JAWS 2021

 

Hi,

Has anyone noticed with JAWS 2021, when you boot your computer, or you unload and reload JAWS, it says the word JAWS.

JAWS 2020 says JAWS home edition.

If you alt tab to the JAWS window, then it will say JAWS home edition.

 

Andrew


moderated Re: Excel 2007

 

The problem with going back to Jaws 18 or Jaws 2018 is that if he has a relatively new version of Windows 10 there could be other issues. The advice to upgrade Office is really the best here, Office 2010 has been long unsupported let alone Office 2007.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 3:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel 2007

 

The other option is to try JAWS 18, or JAWS 19 as these versions of JAWS were written more closely to the date of the version of Excel you want to use. There have been significant changes to Outlook products to improve security and prevent rogue scripts from effecting your system, however this means that JAWS had to completely revanp their way they talk to Outlook products in the last few years.


moderated Typing in grade 2 problem fixed

ann
 

Hi folks,

I have no idea how it happened. I don't know what I changed that fixed things, but I am now able to type in grade 2 braille using JFW and Thunderbird. Since I'm not sure what fixed things, I hope it doesn't revert on me.

~Ann


moderated How Can I Copy a Link inside Zoom Chat with JAWS?

Rick Miller
 

Dear Listers:

 

Every Sunday during an online Zoom meeting with people from church, the host puts a list of questions for us to consider when in breakout rooms.  The questions are in Googledocs, and the link to the questions is always inside Zoom chat.  I don’t know if there is a way that this list of questions in Googledocs can be copied from within the chat list and then opened up afterwards.  Have any of you ever been faced with this problem, and what did you do about it?

 

 

 

Rick Miller

 


moderated Re: smart word reading

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Don. Here is what the option on Smart Reading says:

Select this check box to have JAWS read the entire text unit, such as a compound word, telephone number, date, time, or math equation, when using the Say Word command. Note: Cursor movement is controlled by the application. So, if Microsoft Word's cursor normally navigates the entire text unit as one word or number, then the text is read in the same way. Likewise, if an application, such as WordPad, navigates through each component of the text unit, then JAWS will read it the same way. This check box is selected by default.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 5:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: smart word reading

Can't find any info in the jaws help files regarding smart word reading.
What does this setting do?


moderated Re: Jaws and web tables

Ann Byrne
 

Alt-ctrl_5 reads the current cell, not the table.
Ctrl-Windows-comma reads the column.
Ctrl-windows-period reads the row.
Alt-ctrl and the arrow keys move from cell to cell--right, left, up, and down.
Alt-ctrl-end reads the last cell.
Alt-ctrl-home reads the first cell.
Alt-end reads the last cell in the row.
Alt-home reads the first cell in the row.

At 02:08 PM 11/19/2020, you wrote:
OK I have a web page that has a table I am trying to read. It says in the Jaws documentation that control alt numpad 5 is supposed to read the table info. I find it does not. All I want is to be read the entire table of info using Jaws 2021 on a Win 10 20h2 system with either Google chrome or Edge.





moderated Re: magic and jaws reading a certain website

Stan Holdeman
 

Thank you, Bill. I eagerly await my morning paper to check it out.

 

Stan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 6:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: magic and jaws reading a certain website

 

Hi, Stan. The JAWS feature for which you are searching is Mouse Echo. This is accomplished in the following way,

 

1. Press JAWS key plus SPACE, followed by the letter E.

 

Then perform one of the following commands.

 

The following commands are available in the Mouse Echo layer.
Toggle mouse echo On/Off = O.
Set mouse echo to character = C.
Set mouse echo to word = W.
Set mouse echo to line = L.
Set mouse echo to paragraph = P.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stan Holdeman
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 11:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: magic and jaws reading a certain website

 

Richard: I should of focused my question better.

 

With J2020 and Magic running, as I pulled the mouse pointer over the text in a story panel, Jaws read the contents of that story panel. What enabled Jaws to read that text? There must be a way to enable Jaws to read the text with or without Magic.

 

Stan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: magic and jaws reading a certain website

 

I do not have an answer about the newspaper panels, but it sounds like Vispero has reached the point of requiring folks to use Fusion which is Jaws plus ZoomText, rather than continuing Magic support. Of course, you will have to ask Vispero to be sure.

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

On Nov 19, 2020, at 6:41 AM, Stan Holdeman <sholdeman@...> wrote:



Good morning all: I was very surprised when I first tried to load Magic with jaws 2021. A voice said something like—Sorry, Magic is not compatible with J2021. You must use J2020 or before. Ouch!

 

So this my main problem. In the E edition of my local newspaper I could read the story panels only with Magic running and I would pull the mouse pointer to the story panel and jaws would read the contents of that story panel. I could read those story panels in no other way.

 

I feel certain there is a way to get Jaws to read these panels without Magic running. Any ideas?

 

Stan

 

 


moderated smart word reading

Don H
 

Can't find any info in the jaws help files regarding smart word reading. What does this setting do?


moderated Re: Outlook Braille - was APH Mantis not displaying Braile in Outlook

Shai
 

Hello John,
I am using the Outlook app Office365 version installed on my computer
with JAWS2021 and it is working just fine using Focus40 braille
display fifth generation. I also tried it on my work computer and same
result.
At this point, I think that there may be an issue with your locally
installed copy of JAWS. Another way to test this is by first exiting
Outlook pressing insert space followed by z this will place you in the
JAWS default directory similar to how JAWS came from the factory. See
if Outlook is still causing an issue with your braille display once
you place JAWS in this mode this is a toggle so pressing insert space
z will take you back to how JAWS had been configured before.

On 11/19/20, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:
Actually it's working in the other apps I've tried including word - just
not
Outlook. And in fact it's not just my Mantis, it's my Focus 40. So it
appears it might be something to do with settings. I've checked Structured
mode is on and Braille Sleep is not enabled. It's the same in Bluetooth and
in the USB connection. I've loaded the Outlook specific settings with
Insert
6 and all looks okay as far as I can tell.



John





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Mote
Sent: 19 November 2020 22:31
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: APH Mantis not displaying Braile in Outlook



Hi all. Just an observation. Have you verified that your Mantice is being
seen by the PC. Usually, when you install a braille display, you can see
the
info in your device manager. Have you checked there? Also, I'm wondering if
the Narrator braille is blocking your access to braille. If braille is
installed there, it may be interfering with JAWS and any other screen
reader
for that matter.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of John Gurd via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 5:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: APH Mantis not displaying Braile in Outlook



Thanks Debbie,

I've checked, and I am in Structured Mode. I merged my settings from
earlier
and I've checked. I'm using the USB connection. I'll try Bluetooth on the
off-chance, although I doubt it will make a difference. This really is very
strange.



John





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: 19 November 2020 19:57
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: APH Mantis not displaying Braile in Outlook



Hi John,



Did you export your settings from JAWS 2020 to JAWS 2021? If not then it
could still be the structured mode issue. The reason I say this is because
I
am typing this on my Mantis by using a Bluetooth connection to my pc, JAWS
2021, and Outlook 2016 and all is working just fine.



Good luck!



Debby



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of John Gurd via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: APH Mantis not displaying Braile in Outlook



Actually, I just tried my Focus 40, 4th gen, and it's doing the same thing.
I'm using Office 365. But when I load JFW 2020 it works perfectly. So it is
an issue connected with JFW 2021. I've just made certain the Braille Sleep
mode is not enabled for Outlook, and it is not.



John





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: 19 November 2020 19:27
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: APH Mantis not displaying Braile in Outlook



Hi John,



This sounds very strange. Just a couple of questions. How are you connected
to the PC, via usb or Bluetooth? Which version of office are you using? In
outlook do you have JAWS speech? What happens on the Mantis display in
Outlook-do you see the cursor blinking?



I just had a thought, are you in JAWS braille structured mode for Outlook?
That's one setting that I have missed in the past when setting up a braille
display. Outlook doesn't work well without it.



Good Luck! Take care and stay safe!



Debby

From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of John Gurd via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 1:39 PM
To: jfw World List <jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io> >
Subject: APH Mantis not displaying Braile in Outlook



I've just connected an APH Mantis to my PC and it seems to work fine,
except
when in Outlook where thee Braille display stops working. It works fine in
Word and Windows. I'm running JFW 2021 on Windows 10 version 2004.



There's no Braille as I write this and none anywhere else in Outlook. If I
Alt-Tab into Edge it starts working. Does anyone have a possible
explanation
or are any other Mantis users experiencing this?



John








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moderated Re: Excel 2007

Cohn, Jonathan
 

The other option is to try JAWS 18, or JAWS 19 as these versions of JAWS were written more closely to the date of the version of Excel you want to use. There have been significant changes to Outlook products to improve security and prevent rogue scripts from effecting your system, however this means that JAWS had to completely revanp their way they talk to Outlook products in the last few years.

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