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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Adrian Spratt
 

FS says that only the current release of JAWS 16 works with Windows 10. MS is making Win10 upgrades free for a year. It's a pity that FS doesn't have the resources to make a similar offer for a Win10-compatible version of JAWS.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of stintonjoe--- via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:41 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: stintonjoe@btinternet.com
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

well I haven't upgraded myself and the main reason for that is my version
with jaws came out when windows 7 came out and I don't even know if it will
even work with newer versions of windows, although I haven't looked in to
it!! and I am in no position to pay for a upgrade yet.
so any way i will stick wiht windows 7 and jaws 12.0 for now. and will look
in to upgrading when I am forced to do so, and at this moment I am not even
sure I will stay with windos any way.

well just my thoughts for what iss worth cheers Joe

cheers Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Kimsan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 4:09 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kimsan
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Sounds to me, as if it is personal preference and we have some on one side
of the tracks who likes to have the latest updates, other reasons could be
the OS will only be supported for a certain period of time, which we have
like 5 years for windows 7.

I'm not speaking for others, so nobody attack me, I just upgraded to see
what the big woop was.
Personally, you made some good points.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 7:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Brad Martin <brad@formyfriends.org>
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing
that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should
use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in Windows
7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate
that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to know
if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating system that
I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is that
Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where Windows 7 will
not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should cause me to
want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, "If it ain't broke, don't
fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users in
particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if it's just
something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if it will still
function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
--
Brad Martin
brad@formyfriends.org <mailto:brad@formyfriends.org> My Facebook page where
I post online shopping coupons and deals:
facebook.com/ucoupons <http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons>;
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Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
 

Hello Barbra,
I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013, and
pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up "Current view
group box", with a list of options,
Cheers Kevin.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Hansen
via Jfw
Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
To: Jfw lists <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Barbara Hansen <the2skibears@embarqmail.com>
Subject: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi List friends,



Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the suggestion to
change the view menu, I need to know how to do this. The suggestion, alt-V,
c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up the ribbons menu and enter on the
"view" menu, nothing happens. It just says "blank". I also tried arrowing
and tabbing and still says "blank".



Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Barbara

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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Tom Behler
 

Yup, and that's exactly how Microsoft gets you in the end!

Don't you just love it?

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade,
Windows10 won't be free anymore.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Martin via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Brad Martin" <brad@formyfriends.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and
I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program;
you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that
now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can
see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows
7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should
cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, "If it
ain't broke, don't fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to
know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
--
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where I post online shopping coupons and deals:
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My SmarterBucks signup link <http://bit.ly/1w5FCPu>;
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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

stintonjoe@...
 

well I haven't upgraded myself and the main reason for that is my version with jaws came out when windows 7 came out and I don't even know if it will even work with newer versions of windows, although I haven't looked in to it!! and I am in no position to pay for a upgrade yet.
so any way i will stick wiht windows 7 and jaws 12.0 for now. and will look in to upgrading when I am forced to do so, and at this moment I am not even sure I will stay with windos any way.

well just my thoughts for what iss worth cheers Joe

cheers Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Kimsan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 4:09 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kimsan
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Sounds to me, as if it is personal preference and we have some on one side
of the tracks who likes to have the latest updates, other reasons could be
the OS will only be supported for a certain period of time, which we have
like 5 years for windows 7.

I'm not speaking for others, so nobody attack me, I just upgraded to see
what the big woop was.
Personally, you made some good points.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 7:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Brad Martin <brad@formyfriends.org>
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing
that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should
use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in Windows
7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate
that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to know
if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating system that
I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is that
Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where Windows 7 will
not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should cause me to
want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, "If it ain't broke, don't
fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users in
particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if it's just
something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if it will still
function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
--
Brad Martin
brad@formyfriends.org <mailto:brad@formyfriends.org> My Facebook page where
I post online shopping coupons and deals:
facebook.com/ucoupons <http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons>;
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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Tom Behler
 

Brad:

Your question here is an excellent one, and, I agree. I also have to
believe that many others have this question in mind as well.

I will read the responses of others with interest.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 10:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Brad Martin
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing
that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should
use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in Windows
7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate
that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to know
if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating system that
I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is that
Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where Windows 7 will
not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should cause me to
want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, "If it ain't broke, don't
fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users in
particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if it's just
something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if it will still
function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
--
Brad Martin
brad@formyfriends.org <mailto:brad@formyfriends.org> My Facebook page where
I post online shopping coupons and deals:
facebook.com/ucoupons <http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons>;
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Re: Installation of Windows 10

Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
 

Thank you Joseph for all of your input, much appreciated.
Cheers Kevin.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: August-08-15 7:16 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
And when you type something, does JAWS read results automatically? I and
other WinTen users observed it doesn't.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 7:09 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@icloud.com>
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

When I bring up the start menu, JAWS says, "Search Box".

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 5:29 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
I was able to reproduce this on my brief testing with JAWS, so this isn't
unique to your system. I hope FS knows how to use UIA to resolve this...
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 3:19 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Pablo Morales
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

I have the same problem, I repaired jaws several times, but I can't read the
start menu, some times jaws says cortana, other timesjaws says start, but
anything else jaws is able to read. I know that my computer is a little bit
old, it has quad core, that I bought in 2008. Originally this computer came
with windows vista, and I bought windows 7, and now I am trying to with
windows 10. Looks like this computer is working fine, some times works a
little bit slow, but with jaws I can't read anything in the start menu, no
matter if I repair jaws.
My question is, it could be a hardware problem due to the age of this
computer?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 4:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Joseph Lee
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
Yes, and there are other issues that should be fixed soon, some of which are
issues with somewhat fundamental Windows 10 features, which makes me wonder
if FS came out with a half-baked solution last month (I hope FS is doing
something these days to fix them and to support Edge).
Cheers,
Joseph
----- Original Message -----
From: Nermin via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Date sent:
Sat, 8 Aug 2015 22:02:15 +0200
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Hi all,

I upgraded my Win 8.1 to 10, but JAWS refuses to announce the start menu.
It will sometimes say Cortana, but other than that it stays pretty silent.
I've already uninstalled JAWS completely, restarted and reinstalled JAWS,
but the problem still persists.

Anyone ran into that on their path to Windows 10?
I am using a netbook with Win 10 32 bit on it, a Medion 98700.

Regards,
Nermin


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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Maria Campbell
 

Windows 10 is an indication of the future of Microsoft with the introduction of Cortana and the Edge browser. There's no getting around that, no matter if and when one upgrades. And these two new features will revolutionize Windows computing when they are perfected.
There are always growing pains with a new system, and the sooner one deals, the better, especially considering free versus having to pay the longer one waits.
That is the value of this list, helping with those growing pains.

On 8/9/2015 11:03 AM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote:
Russell,

To me, you make an argument for Win7 users to stay with Win7 but for Win8 and Win8.1 users maybe to think about it. Nothing I've read suggests any immediate gains for Win7 users and several negatives. In time, upgrading to Win10 will be unavoidable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:20 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi Brad,

I purchased a new laptop last November, a Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 running Windows
8.1. While I did get accustomed to Windows 8.1, I wasn't crazy about it. I
updated to Windows 10, and like the fact that the start menu is back. When I
press the Windows key, I am placed in a search field, similar to Windows 7.
If I down arrow, I am placed in a list of my 6 most used programs, which is
really convenient. I am finding Cortana to work quite well... when she isn't
able to answer my query, she opens up a search page in Bing... wish the
search results could be switched to Google, but at least for now, Bing is
the only choice.

I am looking forward to trying Edge once Jaws support is available for it.

I think whether or not to update to Windows 10 is a very personal choice,
and, I also feel that we shouldn't be advised not to update just because we
use Jaws. Having said that though, I don't think I would have updated if my
laptop wasn't fairly new.

I've been reading the various forums and many people are experiencing
troubles with the Windows 10 update, not only users of assistive technology,
so, as I say, the choice to update is a personal one.

For me, I'm glad I updated, but we'll see how things go once Microsoft
starts pushing out those updates! Ha ha.

Like you say, fun, fun, fun! :)

Russell
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Brad Martin <brad@formyfriends.org>
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program;
you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that
now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can
see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that
should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying,
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like
to know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
--

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Trials without God will break you. Trials with God will make you.


Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Daniel McBride
 

Dave:

There is no deeper meaning. Simply because something is free doesn't
necessarily make it worthy of consumption.

Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 9:35 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Daniel,

That's nice for the deer. Is there a deeper meaning to the obvious?

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

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From: "Daniel McBride via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Daniel McBride" <dlmlaw@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 07:04 AM
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


As I pointed out earlier, a deer gets free feed at his local deer stand
feeder.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers to the
end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time? I'm waiting
for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) and FS's first
rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within the year.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade,
Windows10 won't be free anymore.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Martin via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Brad Martin" <brad@formyfriends.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and
I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program;
you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that
now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can
see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows
7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should
cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, "If it
ain't broke, don't fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to
know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
--
Brad Martin
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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Adrian Spratt
 

Are you saying Win10 smells? Hard to make out the meaning of this, um, adage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:05 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

As I pointed out earlier, a deer gets free feed at his local deer stand
feeder.

-----Original Message-----
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via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers to the
end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time? I'm waiting
for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) and FS's first
rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within the year.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade,
Windows10 won't be free anymore.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and
I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program;
you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that
now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can
see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows
7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should
cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, "If it
ain't broke, don't fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to
know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
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Re: Installation of Windows 10

Maria Campbell
 

That's very interesting. Where does one find this tool?

On 8/9/2015 10:42 AM, Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw wrote:
FS has a tool you can download and run that will automatically uninstall all versions of Jaws prior to Jaws 16.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 1:17 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@icloud.com>
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Yes.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 6:53 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Also, having read the news release from FS, may I infer that one should cleanly and completely uninstall earlier versions of JAWS?

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 7:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Michal Nowicki
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Mark and Joe,

How did you know when to start Narrator? Did you launch it before starting the update?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark Furness via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 5:10 PM
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Cc: Mark Furness <flintman57@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

I did it all by myself.
I upgraded from windows 7 home premium, running Jaws 16. Thanks to the people on the list as I had to do a repair on jaws.
I tried using narrator and that helped a little. But, I’m use to jaws, thus found it frustrating.

In short you can do it by yourself.

Mark
On Aug 6, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Hi,

I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to this topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully installed or upgraded to Windows 10 independently.
Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this but don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to make sure I can do this with one or two screen readers.
Any tips will be helpful.
I've got my machine set and ready to go.
Jim


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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Adrian Spratt
 

Russell,

To me, you make an argument for Win7 users to stay with Win7 but for Win8 and Win8.1 users maybe to think about it. Nothing I've read suggests any immediate gains for Win7 users and several negatives. In time, upgrading to Win10 will be unavoidable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:20 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi Brad,

I purchased a new laptop last November, a Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 running Windows
8.1. While I did get accustomed to Windows 8.1, I wasn't crazy about it. I
updated to Windows 10, and like the fact that the start menu is back. When I
press the Windows key, I am placed in a search field, similar to Windows 7.
If I down arrow, I am placed in a list of my 6 most used programs, which is
really convenient. I am finding Cortana to work quite well... when she isn't
able to answer my query, she opens up a search page in Bing... wish the
search results could be switched to Google, but at least for now, Bing is
the only choice.

I am looking forward to trying Edge once Jaws support is available for it.

I think whether or not to update to Windows 10 is a very personal choice,
and, I also feel that we shouldn't be advised not to update just because we
use Jaws. Having said that though, I don't think I would have updated if my
laptop wasn't fairly new.

I've been reading the various forums and many people are experiencing
troubles with the Windows 10 update, not only users of assistive technology,
so, as I say, the choice to update is a personal one.

For me, I'm glad I updated, but we'll see how things go once Microsoft
starts pushing out those updates! Ha ha.

Like you say, fun, fun, fun! :)

Russell
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Brad Martin <brad@formyfriends.org>
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program;
you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that
now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can
see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that
should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying,
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like
to know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
--
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Re: Installation of Windows 10

Russell Solowoniuk
 

FS has a tool you can download and run that will automatically uninstall all versions of Jaws prior to Jaws 16.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 1:17 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@icloud.com>
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Yes.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 6:53 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Also, having read the news release from FS, may I infer that one should cleanly and completely uninstall earlier versions of JAWS?

Ted

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 7:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Michal Nowicki
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Mark and Joe,

How did you know when to start Narrator? Did you launch it before starting the update?

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Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 5:10 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Mark Furness <flintman57@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

I did it all by myself.
I upgraded from windows 7 home premium, running Jaws 16. Thanks to the people on the list as I had to do a repair on jaws.
I tried using narrator and that helped a little. But, I’m use to jaws, thus found it frustrating.

In short you can do it by yourself.

Mark
On Aug 6, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Hi,

I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to this topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully installed or upgraded to Windows 10 independently.
Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this but don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to make sure I can do this with one or two screen readers.
Any tips will be helpful.
I've got my machine set and ready to go.
Jim


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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Dave...
 

Daniel,

That's nice for the deer. Is there a deeper meaning to the obvious?

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel McBride via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Daniel McBride" <dlmlaw@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 07:04 AM
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


As I pointed out earlier, a deer gets free feed at his local deer stand
feeder.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers to the
end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time? I'm waiting
for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) and FS's first
rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within the year.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade,
Windows10 won't be free anymore.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Brad Martin" <brad@formyfriends.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and
I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program;
you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that
now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can
see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows
7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should
cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, "If it
ain't broke, don't fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to
know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
--
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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

 

Hi,
Hmmm, how can I explain this...
A toast notification is like a help balloon except it doesn't really act as
such. Once this appears, it'll go away after a few seconds, and you can
actually interact with it by pressing Windows+V while it is shown. You can
ignore them, and if you do, they'll live in Action Center until you clear
them all (pressing Windows+A will open Action Center).
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Aidan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 2:22 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

So josef, if they don't have help balloons anymore but windows, then does
that mean that I will get a pop up window when something happens wich I must
dismiss?

On 09/08/2015, Kimsan via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Lmao! That was a good one!

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael B.
via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 8:57 PM
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Cc: Michael B. <mb69mach1@charter.net>
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi Brad,

Well, I suppose you could upgrade to Windows10, & ask Cortana how you
would benefit from the upgrade! LOL, hahaha hahaha hahaha, LOL Take
care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Portillo via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Portillo
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:45 PM
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Oh, I still have my good working Windows machine. I upgraded another
one I used when I had to fix my normal working machine. I totally
understand, Brad!


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad
Martin via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Brad Martin
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Thanks for that. I'm not sure I see the usefulness in that. If I
wanted to have separate somethings, I'd just create a second user
account so I could have separate documents folders, downloads, etc.
Still not convinced I need this. I may buy a cheap refurb so I can
play with Windows 10 when I get bored, but as far as working my good
Windows 7 machine over as an experiment? "Ain't nobody got time for that."
LOL.

Brad

On 8/8/2015 9:46 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw wrote:
Brad,

One other feature Windows 10 introduces is virtual desktops. I have
not
yet
tried it out, but if I understand correctly, you could, for instance,
have separate desktops for work and personal data. I guess this
feature is intended to help users become and stay organized. I don't
know, however,
if
it is accessible.

Michal

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad
Martin via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Brad Martin <brad@formyfriends.org>
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest,
and I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing
that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you
should
use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in
Windows
7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like
to
know
if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system
that
I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is
that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that
should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying,
"If it ain't broke,
don't
fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users
in particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if
it's just something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if
it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in
mall?
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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Hi Brad,

I purchased a new laptop last November, a Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 running Windows
8.1. While I did get accustomed to Windows 8.1, I wasn't crazy about it. I
updated to Windows 10, and like the fact that the start menu is back. When I
press the Windows key, I am placed in a search field, similar to Windows 7.
If I down arrow, I am placed in a list of my 6 most used programs, which is
really convenient. I am finding Cortana to work quite well... when she isn't
able to answer my query, she opens up a search page in Bing... wish the
search results could be switched to Google, but at least for now, Bing is
the only choice.

I am looking forward to trying Edge once Jaws support is available for it.

I think whether or not to update to Windows 10 is a very personal choice,
and, I also feel that we shouldn't be advised not to update just because we
use Jaws. Having said that though, I don't think I would have updated if my
laptop wasn't fairly new.

I've been reading the various forums and many people are experiencing
troubles with the Windows 10 update, not only users of assistive technology,
so, as I say, the choice to update is a personal one.

For me, I'm glad I updated, but we'll see how things go once Microsoft
starts pushing out those updates! Ha ha.

Like you say, fun, fun, fun! :)

Russell

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
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Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program;
you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that
now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can
see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that
should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying,
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like
to know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
--
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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Daniel McBride
 

As I pointed out earlier, a deer gets free feed at his local deer stand
feeder.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers to the
end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time? I'm waiting
for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) and FS's first
rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within the year.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade,
Windows10 won't be free anymore.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Brad Martin" <brad@formyfriends.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and
I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program;
you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that
now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can
see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows
7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should
cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, "If it
ain't broke, don't fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to
know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
--
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Re: removing jaws license

Russell Solowoniuk
 

I'm glad this worked for you! :)

Cheers,

Russell

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 9:51 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Pablo Morales <pablocmd2014@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: removing jaws license

I just did a roll back from windows 10 to windows 7. I am happy again, I
didn't lose any program, file or any document.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:08 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: RE: removing jaws license

Hi,

I think you have 30 days from the date you updated to Windows 10 to roll
back to your previous operating system. I'm not sure if Jaws will still be
there when you roll back though. If it's not, FS gives you 3 activations of
Jaws, so, it depends on how many of those you have used. If you don't have
any activations left, you just need to contact FS and they will re-set your
count back to 3. If you are interested in rolling back to Windows 7, here
are the instructions...

How to downgrade from Windows 10 to Windows 7 or Windows 8.1

Introduction

So Windows 10 is finally here. You've taken your free upgrade, poked around
with the new flat design, Microsoft Edge, Cortana, and the whole shebang -
yet something isn't sitting right.

Whether you've run into issues with hardware, incompatible work apps, or
just plain don't like the direction Microsoft went with Windows 10, you may
want to consider rolling back to Windows 8.1 or 7. Thankfully, what may have
been a bit of a pain in the past is now a fairly simple process.

Because breaking up with Cortana can be hard to do, we've put together this
quick guide to help you make it through the emotional turmoil.

Some things to consider

There are a couple of things you should know before starting the rollback
process. The first is that you only have a month to decide whether you want
to stick with Microsoft's latest or ditch it for more familiar digs. Once
that month is up, you'll have to resort to recovery media that either came
with your computer or that you created yourself.

It's also unclear right now if users coming from Windows XP will be able to
roll back. So far, Microsoft has been quiet on that front, only mentioning
Windows 7, 8, and 8.1 as options.

Before you start

Now, with the fine print out of the way, you'll want to ensure your data is
safe and perform a quick check to make sure you can roll back. First, as
with any major system-wide change, we'd recommend backing up your important
files and pictures. Cloud storage offerings, like Dropbox and OneDrive, are
your friends here. However, if you have any sensitive files to back up, we'd
recommend doing so locally on an external hard drive.

And because you're rolling back to a previous install, this process will
obviously only work if you upgraded directly from Windows 7, 8, or 8.1. One
thing you'll want to look for is a folder called "Windows.old" in your C
directory. This contains the necessary files from your old Windows install,
and the rollback won't work without it.

It's go time

After you've backed up your important files and checked that you can indeed
roll back, the process is incredibly simple. To get started, click the start
menu and navigate to the settings app. Once it's open, you'll click through
to the section called "Update & Security."

You'll be taken to the Windows Update page by default, but that isn't what
we're concerned with. In the left pane, there will be an option called
"recovery," and that's where we'll be doing our work. You should now see
several recovery options, but the one that you'll want to go with is called
"Go back to a previous version of Windows." Simply click the button to get
started, and Windows will do its thing.

A few odds and ends

Before Windows dives into the process of rolling everything back, you'll be
prompted to provide the reason you are rolling back. Consider doing
Microsoft a solid and leaving some feedback here. And don't worry: you won't
hurt their feelings.

You'll then go through a couple of screens telling you to keep your PC
plugged in and which files will be preserved in the transition. As a note,
you might need your old password when this is finished, so be sure to
consult your password stash for that.

After you click through the screens, Windows will ask you one last time if
you want to roll back. After clicking through, Windows will restart and
begin the process. This may take a while depending on a number of things, so
you may want to read a book or play some Angry Birds while you wait Welcome
back!

And with that, you should find yourself back to Windows 7, 8, or 8.1 once
Windows finishes doing its thing. There's a chance that you could be missing
some important files, but as long as you heeded our advice and backed things
up, it should be easy to restore them.

If for some reason something went wrong with the process and you find
yourself in an unsavory place, you may have to resort to a clean install
using the recovery media that came with your machine or a USB install disk.
This can be a bit of a pain if you don't have one lying around, but our
guide to creating a Windows 8 USB installer should be of some use

Here is the website this is taken from...

http://www.techradar.com/us/news/software/operating-systems/how-to-downgrade
-from-windows-10-to-windows-8-or-windows-7-1300286

HTH

Russell
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Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 4:51 PM
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Cc: Pablo Morales <pablocmd2014@gmail.com>
Subject: removing jaws license

Hi all guys,

I think that my old computer, doesn't like windows 10 so much, and it is
working very slow, opening programs like Outlook 2007, it takes forever to
open. So I am thinking that probably will be healthy for my old computer go
back to windows 7. I have been reading on internet, that If I have the media
of windows 7, I just need to reinstall windows 7 on my computer like
formatting the whole hard drive. But I am trying to keep my jaws
authorization key, and I read that if I uninstall the license on my older
computer, I will not add this key in the fs server, so I will need to call
FS and ask them another key. It is true?
It doesn't make any sense, but can someone confirm that if I uninstall the
license in my computer, I will not be able to use it again, unless I call FS
and ask them for another key?
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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Melissa Stott
 

Judith, I totally agree with you.

-----Original Message-----
From: j Bron via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 8:34 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: j Bron
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

When I first read about windows 10 being a free download for a time it was
exciting. Right now I think I'll stick with windows 7 until all the kinks
are worked out. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 2:17 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Brad Martin
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What's worse, if you have Windows 10 Home, you won't be able to delay the
"updates" until JAWS figures out what to do with them. Ready or not, here
they come. Windows 10 Pro users will be able to delay updates to a point,
unspecified is how long you'll be able to delay them. I just read that
tonight. Fun fun fun.

Brad


On 8/8/2015 11:42 PM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote:
Joseph,

I understand your point about continuous refinements, but the first
refinements will amount to a service pack even if not given that name. I'll
be content to wait. I assume the "bad" part you refer to is that from time
to time, a "refinement" may disrupt accessibility because screenreader
developers may find it hard to keep up. I agree.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 12:14 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Joseph Lee
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,
There will be no service packs as in the past. Continuous refinements
will be the norm from now on, which are good thing and a bad thing.
Virtual desktops (called Task View) are a way to group running apps
together into workspaces. In other words, you can open multiple
desktops with apps for different purposes opened in each desktop. By
default, when you install Windows 10 and with multiple desktops
opened, pressing Alt+TAB will cycle among apps on the current desktop
(go to Settings/System/Multitasking to change this behavior). This
isn't the same as having two or more user accounts (I for one use two
user accounts and switch between them for various purposes).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers
to the end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time?
I'm waiting for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one)
and FS's first rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within
the year.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill
White via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade,
Windows10 won't be free anymore.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Brad Martin" <brad@formyfriends.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest,
and I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail
program; you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF
documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like
to know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new
operating system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only
benefit I can see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January
of 2020, where Windows
7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should
cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, "If it
ain't broke, don't fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to
know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in
mall?
--
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where I post online shopping coupons and deals:
facebook.com/ucoupons <http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons>;
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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

judith bron
 

When I first read about windows 10 being a free download for a time it was
exciting. Right now I think I'll stick with windows 7 until all the kinks
are worked out. Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 2:17 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Brad Martin
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What's worse, if you have Windows 10 Home, you won't be able to delay the
"updates" until JAWS figures out what to do with them. Ready or not, here
they come. Windows 10 Pro users will be able to delay updates to a point,
unspecified is how long you'll be able to delay them. I just read that
tonight. Fun fun fun.

Brad


On 8/8/2015 11:42 PM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote:
Joseph,

I understand your point about continuous refinements, but the first
refinements will amount to a service pack even if not given that name. I'll
be content to wait. I assume the "bad" part you refer to is that from time
to time, a "refinement" may disrupt accessibility because screenreader
developers may find it hard to keep up. I agree.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 12:14 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Joseph Lee
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,
There will be no service packs as in the past. Continuous refinements
will be the norm from now on, which are good thing and a bad thing.
Virtual desktops (called Task View) are a way to group running apps
together into workspaces. In other words, you can open multiple
desktops with apps for different purposes opened in each desktop. By
default, when you install Windows 10 and with multiple desktops
opened, pressing Alt+TAB will cycle among apps on the current desktop
(go to Settings/System/Multitasking to change this behavior). This
isn't the same as having two or more user accounts (I for one use two
user accounts and switch between them for various purposes).
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:05 PM
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Cc: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers
to the end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time?
I'm waiting for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one)
and FS's first rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within
the year.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill
White via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade,
Windows10 won't be free anymore.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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From: "Brad Martin via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Brad Martin" <brad@formyfriends.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest,
and I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail
program; you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF
documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like
to know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new
operating system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only
benefit I can see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January
of 2020, where Windows
7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should
cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, "If it
ain't broke, don't fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to
know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in
mall?
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judith bron
 

How do I have an automatic response posted on my email saying to the effect
of, "I am out of my office until. John jones." Thanks!

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