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Re: repairing jaws
Les Kriegler <kriegler@...>
Hi,
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I typed from the run dialog, jaws16 /type repair and only heard Jaws Professional. Can you provide the syntax again? Thanks. Les
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike and Jenna via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 10:25 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Mike and Jenna Subject: RE: repairing jaws Hi, I am not sure if this has been responded to or not but if you go to the run box brous to ware you have your jaws.exe then hitand hit space and at the end do /type repair and that will work as well. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler via Jfw Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 6:56 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: Les Kriegler <kriegler@nycap.rr.com> Subject: RE: repairing jaws Mark, I think if you run the jfw.exe file, you will eventually be given an option to perform a repair of Jaws. Les -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark Furness via Jfw Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 6:52 AM To: Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Mark Furness Subject: repairing jaws Every time I start my computer, jaws keeps on saying there is 2 things that are not installed correctly. I have tried a reboot as it suggested. But, that did not fix the problem. It also suggested to do a repair. All I haave is the downloaded filees. How then do I do a repair? Thank you for getting me out of this mess!!! Mark _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: repairing jaws
Mike and Jenna <schwaltze@...>
Hi,
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I am not sure if this has been responded to or not but if you go to the run box brous to ware you have your jaws.exe then hitand hit space and at the end do /type repair and that will work as well.
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler via Jfw Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 6:56 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: Les Kriegler <kriegler@nycap.rr.com> Subject: RE: repairing jaws Mark, I think if you run the jfw.exe file, you will eventually be given an option to perform a repair of Jaws. Les -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark Furness via Jfw Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 6:52 AM To: Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Mark Furness Subject: repairing jaws Every time I start my computer, jaws keeps on saying there is 2 things that are not installed correctly. I have tried a reboot as it suggested. But, that did not fix the problem. It also suggested to do a repair. All I haave is the downloaded filees. How then do I do a repair? Thank you for getting me out of this mess!!! Mark _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: Outlook: where is yesterday's email
Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
Hello Cliff and Barbra,
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I found the note from some web site I made about list view. , Jaws reads the notes better if you go to view in the ribbon and change it to list view. The keystroke for this is alt V, C, V. Cheers Kevin.
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Hansen via Jfw Sent: August-07-15 4:44 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: Barbara Hansen <the2skibears@embarqmail.com> Subject: RE: Outlook: where is yesterday's email Hi Cliff, I'm not sure if your situation is like mine, but, I have had the same experience. I found my emails in the "deleted" folder. I have no clue as to why they went to that folder, but that was what happened. Hope this helps. Barbara H. _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: Key code Finding Programs
Michael B. <mb69mach1@...>
I'm only aware of it finding Windows key codes.
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Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers!
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From: cecropia64--- via Jfw To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: cecropia64@att.net Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 3:50 PM Subject: Re: Key code Finding Programs Does this program in fact find the key codes for a particular program you are using? I'm kind of lost on this one. On 8/7/2015 1:51 PM, Michael B. via Jfw wrote: Belarc Advisor download link: _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20150807/8d29b569/attachment.html>;
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Re: Outlook: where is yesterday's email
Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
Hello Barbra and Cliff,
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Could it be something created in rules? If so, after attempting to delete a rule unsuccessfully, I found the correction was to create a new rule countermanding the offending rule. Cheers Kevin.
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Hansen via Jfw Sent: August-07-15 4:44 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: Barbara Hansen <the2skibears@embarqmail.com> Subject: RE: Outlook: where is yesterday's email Hi Cliff, I'm not sure if your situation is like mine, but, I have had the same experience. I found my emails in the "deleted" folder. I have no clue as to why they went to that folder, but that was what happened. Hope this helps. Barbara H. _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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facebook and reading someone else's timeline
David Moore
Hi Paul,
You will have to use the mobile Facebook website, and use "H" for headings. On the mobile site, each post on other people's timelines can be read just by pressing h for heading. The URL for the mobile site: m.facebook.com If you use that sight, you don't have to use the j, k, and so on. just use the normal HTML navigation commands. Take care.
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Re: Outlook: where is yesterday's email
Barbara Hansen <the2skibears@...>
Hi Cliff,
I'm not sure if your situation is like mine, but, I have had the same experience. I found my emails in the "deleted" folder. I have no clue as to why they went to that folder, but that was what happened. Hope this helps. Barbara H.
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Re: Installation of Windows 10
Jim Portillo
Well, having learned some stuff from installing Windows 10 on my tablet, I decided to try updating my Windows 8 laptop. This time, it worked well. I turned Narrator on a little before I needed to do so. I even used TapTapSee on my iPhone when I was worrying about it being a little too quiet. I'd never done that before.
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Anyway, it looks like it installed fine! I'm going to have to change defaults and such, but the system itself installed, and JAWS is talking to me. Very cool! Jim Sent from my iPhone 6!
On Aug 7, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Andre Jarreau via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
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Re: Key code Finding Programs
cecropia64
Does this program in fact find the key codes for a particular program you are using? I'm kind of lost on this one.
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On 8/7/2015 1:51 PM, Michael B. via Jfw wrote:
Belarc Advisor download link:
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Re: Installation of Windows 10
Andre Jarreau <andre.jarreau@...>
Music to my ears. Thanks Joseph.
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 11:19 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Joseph Lee Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 Hi, You'll first want to upgrade to Windows 10, as then you'll be able to clean install. Various sources tell me that a new activation mechanisms are used - your computer hardware information will be used to generate a secure hash which will then be sent to Microsoft and will be kept for you, and once cleanly installed, Windows 10 will be activated without having to enter a product key. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 8:56 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: Andre Jarreau <andre.jarreau@earthlink.net> Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 I have a question about Win10 install. I have Win7 and can free upgrade. Did someone say a Win10 could be installed without using Win7 or 8? I would like to completely wipe out my hard drive then run a destroyer program to assure the only thing on the disc is binary zeros. Then a clean Win7 can be installed and a downloaded J16, new Outlook ect. Too many files on my hard drive are corrupt. Outlook will run but freezes and crashes and is sometimes extremely slow. Just want the best out of my machine. Clarity would be greatly appreciated. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mote via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 10:37 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Michael Mote Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 I wanted to point out something regarding Narrator. I have tried using the Windows key plus Enter command to launch it on both my Windows 7 and 8.1 computers. It does not launch it on my Windows 7 machine, but it does on my Windows 8.1 machine. I'm bringing this up for the benefit of those who are upgrading from Windows 8.1 to version 10. Windows key plus enter may be an option for you. I don't mean to confuse the issue at all, but did want to share my experience here. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 9:46 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 Hi, There is no command to restart Narrator. Speaking of installing Windows, I'll go through some FAQ's I got from this list in this email: * Compatible JFW release: Please use JAWS 16.0.4350 or later, or if you'd like to wait, please hold off until JAWS 17 comes out (public beta or official build will do). * Clean install versus in-place upgrade: You can perform an in-place upgrade all by yourself with a screen reader running. Your computer will restart several times, and after some restarts, you'll hear silence from your computer. Once this happens, press Windows+ENTER to launch Narrator, and if your sound card is detected, Microsoft David will come up talking. * Multiple clean install options: There are two ways of performing clean install: bootable media or from Media Creation Tool. If using Media Creation tool option, the steps are same as above, except none of your programs and settings will be kept. If doing bootable media installation, then you'll indeed need some sighted assistance for the first few prompts to choose your language, entering your product key (don't have to enter it), choosing a partition and others. Once your computer restarts several times, follow the steps above to finish installing using Narrator (Windows 10 will come in either a DVD or on a flash drive). * Some finds with JAWS 16.0.4350: My brief testing shows the following (at least on my computer): 1. In Start search box, JAWS does not announce search results automatically. 2. JAWS does not announce Action Center notifications, aa variation of Windows 8.x's toast notifications. They are toasts in disguise because you can press Windows+V to move to and interact with them, and press Windows+A to open Action Center. These are basic issues that should have been fixed in the first place, thus (in my opinion) disqualifying JAWS from being compatible with Windows 10 for now (I'm sure FS is working on it). 3. You can use TAB and Shift+TAB to move among links in Microsoft Edge (no virtual cursor, no forms mode, no support for MathML yet). There were tweets floating around which criticized FS for not supporting Edge yet, but that's expected (the biggest nightmare for screen reader vendors is whenever Microsoft comes out with a new version of Windows; Windows 8.x users tasted this, and it'll happen more frequently now that Microsoft will be updating Windows constantly to add new features which may break accessibility). For resident geeks here: * In order to let your app support Windows 10, you need to modify app manifest in your application, which is what JAWS 16.0.4350 could have done. * UIA (User Interface Automation) is more prominent now, with universal apps using UIA. * Microsoft Edge is filled with UIA objects, thus you need to know how UIA works (at least a high-level overview) when scripting for Windows 10 apps and for supporting Edge. If you'd like to hear Windows 10 in action, there are podcasts devoted to this (including mine). I talked about Windows 10 (although from another screen reader's perspective) on Tek Talk for August 3rd, which can be found at www.accessibleworld.org. Cheers, Joseph P.S. I believe we have some Windows Insiders who uses JAWS, so you can ask them also. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:14 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com> Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10 Can you restart Narrator with windows+Enter? On 8/6/2015 9:04 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote: I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong whento activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either stuck or something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the screen. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: Installation of Windows 10
Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@...>
Prior to Windows 8, a clean install of Windows was always better, but that
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no longer seems to be the case. It seems as though Microsoft now deliberately designs new versions of Windows to facilitate installation over existing copies of Windows so that users don't have to reinstall their files and apps. At least for me, both upgrading from Windows 8 to 8.1 and now from 8.1 to 10 both went smoothly. That said, I would personally recommend a clean install of Windows only if you have a lot of junk on your computer that you wish to get rid of, or if you have corrupt files or apps that negatively impact overall system performance.
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Aidan via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 2:42 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10 Well, it works but its not really a good idea to upgrade over an existing windows. Hope things won't go wrong later. A clean install is always better. Does anyone know if you are forced to use a Microsoft account, or can you stil sign in with a local account? On 07/08/2015, Jim Portillo via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote: I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong whenscreen.
-- Facebook: m.facebook.com/aidan.maher92 Skype: andries4451 Twitter: smarttalk7 Audioboo: www.audioboo.com/DjSpotlight _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: Installation of Windows 10
Mark Furness
I started narrator when jaws was not speaking.
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On Aug 6, 2015, at 7:27 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
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Re: Installation of Windows 10
Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@...>
Yes.
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 6:53 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov> Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 Also, having read the news release from FS, may I infer that one should cleanly and completely uninstall earlier versions of JAWS? Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via Jfw Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 7:28 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Michal Nowicki Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 Mark and Joe, How did you know when to start Narrator? Did you launch it before starting the update? -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark Furness via Jfw Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 5:10 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: Mark Furness <flintman57@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10 I did it all by myself. I upgraded from windows 7 home premium, running Jaws 16. Thanks to the people on the list as I had to do a repair on jaws. I tried using narrator and that helped a little. But, I’m use to jaws, thus found it frustrating. In short you can do it by yourself. Mark On Aug 6, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: outlook 2013 email reading curiosity
Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@...>
That does happen to me, but it's rare.
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimsan via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 3:27 AM To: jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: Kimsan <kimsansong@gmail.com> Subject: outlook 2013 email reading curiosity Does anyone have outlook 2013, if so, when you open up an email and read it or if it reads automatically for you, do you find that jaws reads it twice as to say, pay attention! I'm only going to read it one more time to you! It didn't do that in 2010, only here in 2013. Honestly, when it does that, my brain gets confused lol. FYI, using windows 10 pro and jaws 4350 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201508 07/49a4ccdd/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Key code Finding Programs
Michael B. <mb69mach1@...>
Belarc Advisor download link:
http://www.jaws-users.com/programs/FileManagement/advisor7211.exe Magical Jellybean Key Finer download & documentation link: http://www.jaws-users.com/programs/Utilities/keyfinder.2.0.1.html Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20150807/3fd7c459/attachment.html>;
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Re: clean installation vs. upgrade
Michael B. <mb69mach1@...>
You use a program like Magical Jellybean Key Finder. Download &
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documentation link is below. http://www.jaws-users.com/programs/Utilities/keyfinder.2.0.1.html Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers!
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Re: Outlook: where is yesterday's email
Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
Hello Cliff,
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I changed to list view, but I cannot replicate what I did, nor find the instructions I used. I think it was in current view on the ribbon, alt v, c, v, but the list option does not show when I go there, so I may be mistaken. Good luck, lol. Cheers Kevin.
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Self via Jfw Sent: August-06-15 6:35 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: Cliff Self <cliff@cablespeed.com> Subject: RE: Outlook: where is yesterday's email Thanks Kevin, I tried that, but with no success. After collapsing today's email, the down arrow yields nothing, not even the ding I get when the list is totally empty. Is there a setting in the View menu I might need to change? Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan via Jfw Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 6:05 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Outlook: where is yesterday's email Hello Cliff, Go to where it says "Grouped by today expanded", press left arrow to collapse that group, then you should be in the yesterday group, and you can arrow down in search of your draft. Cheers Kevin. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Self via Jfw Sent: August-06-15 5:28 PM To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Cc: Cliff Self <cliff@cablespeed.com> Subject: Outlook: where is yesterday's email I left a message in my Outlook 2013 Inbox to deal with later. Now I can't find it anywhere. Messages seem to be grouped by calendar days, but I don't see a way to navigate to any but today's list. Any suggestions? Cliff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201508 06/03f85455/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: audio program query
is there jaws scripts for power mixer? if so where can they be gotten?
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From: "Mario via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: "Mario" <mrb620@hotmail.com> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 9:05 AM Subject: Re: audio program query Joseph, take a look at PowerMixer:
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Something to keep in mind when installing
Jim Portillo
I learned something when installing Windows 10. First of all, I'm now using
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it on my tablet; although, I have some learning to do. I will need help! When running the utility that Freedom Scientific has for removing older versions of JAWS and preparing the computer for Windows 10, make sure and check that your JAWS settings are how you want them. What I found out was that my setting to start JAWS at the log-in screen had been unchecked, so when the computer was restarting and such, JAWS was not coming on at all. I still don't know why Narrator wasn't coming on though, and I did have to get someone sighted to read the screen to me. Everything installed well though, I think. So, check your JAWS settings once you've used that utility. Jim
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 9:19 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 Hi, You'll first want to upgrade to Windows 10, as then you'll be able to clean install. Various sources tell me that a new activation mechanisms are used - your computer hardware information will be used to generate a secure hash which will then be sent to Microsoft and will be kept for you, and once cleanly installed, Windows 10 will be activated without having to enter a product key. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 8:56 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: Andre Jarreau <andre.jarreau@earthlink.net> Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 I have a question about Win10 install. I have Win7 and can free upgrade. Did someone say a Win10 could be installed without using Win7 or 8? I would like to completely wipe out my hard drive then run a destroyer program to assure the only thing on the disc is binary zeros. Then a clean Win7 can be installed and a downloaded J16, new Outlook ect. Too many files on my hard drive are corrupt. Outlook will run but freezes and crashes and is sometimes extremely slow. Just want the best out of my machine. Clarity would be greatly appreciated. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mote via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 10:37 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Michael Mote Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 I wanted to point out something regarding Narrator. I have tried using the Windows key plus Enter command to launch it on both my Windows 7 and 8.1 computers. It does not launch it on my Windows 7 machine, but it does on my Windows 8.1 machine. I'm bringing this up for the benefit of those who are upgrading from Windows 8.1 to version 10. Windows key plus enter may be an option for you. I don't mean to confuse the issue at all, but did want to share my experience here. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 9:46 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 Hi, There is no command to restart Narrator. Speaking of installing Windows, I'll go through some FAQ's I got from this list in this email: * Compatible JFW release: Please use JAWS 16.0.4350 or later, or if you'd like to wait, please hold off until JAWS 17 comes out (public beta or official build will do). * Clean install versus in-place upgrade: You can perform an in-place upgrade all by yourself with a screen reader running. Your computer will restart several times, and after some restarts, you'll hear silence from your computer. Once this happens, press Windows+ENTER to launch Narrator, and if your sound card is detected, Microsoft David will come up talking. * Multiple clean install options: There are two ways of performing clean install: bootable media or from Media Creation Tool. If using Media Creation tool option, the steps are same as above, except none of your programs and settings will be kept. If doing bootable media installation, then you'll indeed need some sighted assistance for the first few prompts to choose your language, entering your product key (don't have to enter it), choosing a partition and others. Once your computer restarts several times, follow the steps above to finish installing using Narrator (Windows 10 will come in either a DVD or on a flash drive). * Some finds with JAWS 16.0.4350: My brief testing shows the following (at least on my computer): 1. In Start search box, JAWS does not announce search results automatically. 2. JAWS does not announce Action Center notifications, aa variation of Windows 8.x's toast notifications. They are toasts in disguise because you can press Windows+V to move to and interact with them, and press Windows+A to open Action Center. These are basic issues that should have been fixed in the first place, thus (in my opinion) disqualifying JAWS from being compatible with Windows 10 for now (I'm sure FS is working on it). 3. You can use TAB and Shift+TAB to move among links in Microsoft Edge (no virtual cursor, no forms mode, no support for MathML yet). There were tweets floating around which criticized FS for not supporting Edge yet, but that's expected (the biggest nightmare for screen reader vendors is whenever Microsoft comes out with a new version of Windows; Windows 8.x users tasted this, and it'll happen more frequently now that Microsoft will be updating Windows constantly to add new features which may break accessibility). For resident geeks here: * In order to let your app support Windows 10, you need to modify app manifest in your application, which is what JAWS 16.0.4350 could have done. * UIA (User Interface Automation) is more prominent now, with universal apps using UIA. * Microsoft Edge is filled with UIA objects, thus you need to know how UIA works (at least a high-level overview) when scripting for Windows 10 apps and for supporting Edge. If you'd like to hear Windows 10 in action, there are podcasts devoted to this (including mine). I talked about Windows 10 (although from another screen reader's perspective) on Tek Talk for August 3rd, which can be found at www.accessibleworld.org. Cheers, Joseph P.S. I believe we have some Windows Insiders who uses JAWS, so you can ask them also. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:14 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com> Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10 Can you restart Narrator with windows+Enter? On 8/6/2015 9:04 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote: I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong whento activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either stuck or something. 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Re: clean install vs upgrade:
Robert Cole
Its a good idea to use both of these programs, to be sure they give you the same key.
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It is better to be safe than sorry. Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 7, 2015, at 11:07 AM, Joseph Lee via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
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