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Re: clean install vs upgrade:

 

Hi,
You'll need to upgrade first before you can retrieve your Windows 10 product
key.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Subject: clean install vs upgrade:

Hi How would you find the product key to enter before you install windows
10?
Kenny Peyatt

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Re: Installation of Windows 10

Andre Jarreau <andre.jarreau@...>
 

I have a question about Win10 install. I have Win7 and can free upgrade.
Did someone say a Win10 could be installed without using Win7 or 8? I would
like to completely wipe out my hard drive then run a destroyer program to
assure the only thing on the disc is binary zeros. Then a clean Win7 can be
installed and a downloaded J16, new Outlook ect. Too many files on my hard
drive are corrupt. Outlook will run but freezes and crashes and is
sometimes extremely slow. Just want the best out of my machine.

Clarity would be greatly appreciated.

Andre

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mote
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 10:37 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Michael Mote
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

I wanted to point out something regarding Narrator. I have tried using the
Windows key plus Enter command to launch it on both my Windows 7 and 8.1
computers. It does not launch it on my Windows 7 machine, but it does on my
Windows 8.1 machine. I'm bringing this up for the benefit of those who are
upgrading from Windows 8.1 to version 10. Windows key plus enter may be an
option for you. I don't mean to confuse the issue at all, but did want to
share my experience here.


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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 9:46 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
There is no command to restart Narrator.
Speaking of installing Windows, I'll go through some FAQ's I got from this
list in this email:
* Compatible JFW release: Please use JAWS 16.0.4350 or later, or if you'd
like to wait, please hold off until JAWS 17 comes out (public beta or
official build will do).
* Clean install versus in-place upgrade: You can perform an in-place upgrade
all by yourself with a screen reader running. Your computer will restart
several times, and after some restarts, you'll hear silence from your
computer. Once this happens, press Windows+ENTER to launch Narrator, and if
your sound card is detected, Microsoft David will come up talking.
* Multiple clean install options: There are two ways of performing clean
install: bootable media or from Media Creation Tool. If using Media Creation
tool option, the steps are same as above, except none of your programs and
settings will be kept. If doing bootable media installation, then you'll
indeed need some sighted assistance for the first few prompts to choose your
language, entering your product key (don't have to enter it), choosing a
partition and others. Once your computer restarts several times, follow the
steps above to finish installing using Narrator (Windows 10 will come in
either a DVD or on a flash drive).
* Some finds with JAWS 16.0.4350: My brief testing shows the following (at
least on my computer):
1. In Start search box, JAWS does not announce search results automatically.
2. JAWS does not announce Action Center notifications, aa variation of
Windows 8.x's toast notifications. They are toasts in disguise because you
can press Windows+V to move to and interact with them, and press Windows+A
to open Action Center. These are basic issues that should have been fixed in
the first place, thus (in my opinion) disqualifying JAWS from being
compatible with Windows 10 for now (I'm sure FS is working on it).
3. You can use TAB and Shift+TAB to move among links in Microsoft Edge (no
virtual cursor, no forms mode, no support for MathML yet). There were tweets
floating around which criticized FS for not supporting Edge yet, but that's
expected (the biggest nightmare for screen reader vendors is whenever
Microsoft comes out with a new version of Windows; Windows 8.x users tasted
this, and it'll happen more frequently now that Microsoft will be updating
Windows constantly to add new features which may break accessibility).
For resident geeks here:
* In order to let your app support Windows 10, you need to modify app
manifest in your application, which is what JAWS 16.0.4350 could have done.
* UIA (User Interface Automation) is more prominent now, with universal apps
using UIA.
* Microsoft Edge is filled with UIA objects, thus you need to know how UIA
works (at least a high-level overview) when scripting for Windows 10 apps
and for supporting Edge.
If you'd like to hear Windows 10 in action, there are podcasts devoted to
this (including mine). I talked about Windows 10 (although from another
screen reader's perspective) on Tek Talk for August 3rd, which can be found
at www.accessibleworld.org.
Cheers,
Joseph
P.S. I believe we have some Windows Insiders who uses JAWS, so you can ask
them also.







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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Can you restart Narrator with windows+Enter?


On 8/6/2015 9:04 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong when
trying
to activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either stuck or
something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the screen.

Sent from my iPhone 6!

On Aug 6, 2015, at 6:56 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Joseph and Rob,

Thank you for describing the accessibility of the upgrade process. I
just completed it, and both JAWS and Windows 10 are working well.

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Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 6:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
I just want to remind you that Narrator on Windows 10 is started and
stopped by pressing windows key and enter.
after starting the upgrade, I believe the PC restarted twice, after
that I waited about 20 minutes and pressed windows+Enter and Narrator
helped me finish the setup.
At one point, Narrator would not read the screen, so I quit and
restarted it with windows+Enter.
dont forget to make a backup before upgrading.


On 8/6/2015 4:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
Hi,

I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to
this
topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully
installed or upgraded to Windows 10 independently.
Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this
but
don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to
make sure I can do this with one or two screen readers.
Any tips will be helpful.
I've got my machine set and ready to go.
Jim


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clean install vs upgrade:

Kenny Peyattt jr.
 

Hi How would you find the product key to enter before you install windows 10?
Kenny Peyatt


Re: Installation of Windows 10

 

Hi,
Ah yes, thankns for this reminder (for those upgrading from 7, if
Windows+ENTER isn't working, ress Windows+U, then launch Narrator).
Cheers,
Josoeph

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mote
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 8:37 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Michael Mote <miketmote73@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

I wanted to point out something regarding Narrator. I have tried using the
Windows key plus Enter command to launch it on both my Windows 7 and 8.1
computers. It does not launch it on my Windows 7 machine, but it does on my
Windows 8.1 machine. I'm bringing this up for the benefit of those who are
upgrading from Windows 8.1 to version 10. Windows key plus enter may be an
option for you. I don't mean to confuse the issue at all, but did want to
share my experience here.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 9:46 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
There is no command to restart Narrator.
Speaking of installing Windows, I'll go through some FAQ's I got from this
list in this email:
* Compatible JFW release: Please use JAWS 16.0.4350 or later, or if you'd
like to wait, please hold off until JAWS 17 comes out (public beta or
official build will do).
* Clean install versus in-place upgrade: You can perform an in-place upgrade
all by yourself with a screen reader running. Your computer will restart
several times, and after some restarts, you'll hear silence from your
computer. Once this happens, press Windows+ENTER to launch Narrator, and if
your sound card is detected, Microsoft David will come up talking.
* Multiple clean install options: There are two ways of performing clean
install: bootable media or from Media Creation Tool. If using Media Creation
tool option, the steps are same as above, except none of your programs and
settings will be kept. If doing bootable media installation, then you'll
indeed need some sighted assistance for the first few prompts to choose your
language, entering your product key (don't have to enter it), choosing a
partition and others. Once your computer restarts several times, follow the
steps above to finish installing using Narrator (Windows 10 will come in
either a DVD or on a flash drive).
* Some finds with JAWS 16.0.4350: My brief testing shows the following (at
least on my computer):
1. In Start search box, JAWS does not announce search results automatically.
2. JAWS does not announce Action Center notifications, aa variation of
Windows 8.x's toast notifications. They are toasts in disguise because you
can press Windows+V to move to and interact with them, and press Windows+A
to open Action Center. These are basic issues that should have been fixed in
the first place, thus (in my opinion) disqualifying JAWS from being
compatible with Windows 10 for now (I'm sure FS is working on it).
3. You can use TAB and Shift+TAB to move among links in Microsoft Edge (no
virtual cursor, no forms mode, no support for MathML yet). There were tweets
floating around which criticized FS for not supporting Edge yet, but that's
expected (the biggest nightmare for screen reader vendors is whenever
Microsoft comes out with a new version of Windows; Windows 8.x users tasted
this, and it'll happen more frequently now that Microsoft will be updating
Windows constantly to add new features which may break accessibility).
For resident geeks here:
* In order to let your app support Windows 10, you need to modify app
manifest in your application, which is what JAWS 16.0.4350 could have done.
* UIA (User Interface Automation) is more prominent now, with universal apps
using UIA.
* Microsoft Edge is filled with UIA objects, thus you need to know how UIA
works (at least a high-level overview) when scripting for Windows 10 apps
and for supporting Edge.
If you'd like to hear Windows 10 in action, there are podcasts devoted to
this (including mine). I talked about Windows 10 (although from another
screen reader's perspective) on Tek Talk for August 3rd, which can be found
at www.accessibleworld.org.
Cheers,
Joseph
P.S. I believe we have some Windows Insiders who uses JAWS, so you can ask
them also.







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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Can you restart Narrator with windows+Enter?


On 8/6/2015 9:04 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong when
trying
to activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either stuck or
something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the screen.

Sent from my iPhone 6!

On Aug 6, 2015, at 6:56 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Joseph and Rob,

Thank you for describing the accessibility of the upgrade process. I
just completed it, and both JAWS and Windows 10 are working well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via
Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 6:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
I just want to remind you that Narrator on Windows 10 is started and
stopped by pressing windows key and enter.
after starting the upgrade, I believe the PC restarted twice, after
that I waited about 20 minutes and pressed windows+Enter and Narrator
helped me finish the setup.
At one point, Narrator would not read the screen, so I quit and
restarted it with windows+Enter.
dont forget to make a backup before upgrading.


On 8/6/2015 4:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
Hi,

I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to
this
topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully
installed or upgraded to Windows 10 independently.
Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this
but
don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to
make sure I can do this with one or two screen readers.
Any tips will be helpful.
I've got my machine set and ready to go.
Jim


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Re: Windows 10 Clean Install vs. In-Place Upgrade

 

Hi,
You can choose between in-place upgrade or clean install. After selecting
"Upgrade my PC", you'll be asked if you'd like to keep your apps and
settings or remove them all (first option is in-place upgrade, and the
second is clean install).
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 8:17 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Windows 10 Clean Install vs. In-Place Upgrade

Joseph,

So in your summary, you say that using the Media Creation Tool will not keep
your programs and settings? It would end up being a factory default install
of Windows 10 and require installing all my programs from scratch? Does not
sound like what I want to do.

Or are you saying that I can use the Media Creation Tool to do an In-Place
Upgrade and not lose all my programs? Please clarify.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 07:46 AM
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10


Hi,
There is no command to restart Narrator.
Speaking of installing Windows, I'll go through some FAQ's I got from this
list in this email:
* Compatible JFW release: Please use JAWS 16.0.4350 or later, or if you'd
like to wait, please hold off until JAWS 17 comes out (public beta or
official build will do).
* Clean install versus in-place upgrade: You can perform an in-place upgrade
all by yourself with a screen reader running. Your computer will restart
several times, and after some restarts, you'll hear silence from your
computer. Once this happens, press Windows+ENTER to launch Narrator, and if
your sound card is detected, Microsoft David will come up talking.
* Multiple clean install options: There are two ways of performing clean
install: bootable media or from Media Creation Tool. If using Media Creation
tool option, the steps are same as above, except none of your programs and
settings will be kept. If doing bootable media installation, then you'll
indeed need some sighted assistance for the first few prompts to choose your
language, entering your product key (don't have to enter it), choosing a
partition and others. Once your computer restarts several times, follow the
steps above to finish installing using Narrator (Windows 10 will come in
either a DVD or on a flash drive).
* Some finds with JAWS 16.0.4350: My brief testing shows the following (at
least on my computer):
1. In Start search box, JAWS does not announce search results automatically.
2. JAWS does not announce Action Center notifications, aa variation of
Windows 8.x's toast notifications. They are toasts in disguise because you
can press Windows+V to move to and interact with them, and press Windows+A
to open Action Center. These are basic issues that should have been fixed in
the first place, thus (in my opinion) disqualifying JAWS from being
compatible with Windows 10 for now (I'm sure FS is working on it).
3. You can use TAB and Shift+TAB to move among links in Microsoft Edge (no
virtual cursor, no forms mode, no support for MathML yet). There were tweets
floating around which criticized FS for not supporting Edge yet, but that's
expected (the biggest nightmare for screen reader vendors is whenever
Microsoft comes out with a new version of Windows; Windows 8.x users tasted
this, and it'll happen more frequently now that Microsoft will be updating
Windows constantly to add new features which may break accessibility).
For resident geeks here:
* In order to let your app support Windows 10, you need to modify app
manifest in your application, which is what JAWS 16.0.4350 could have done.
* UIA (User Interface Automation) is more prominent now, with universal apps
using UIA.
* Microsoft Edge is filled with UIA objects, thus you need to know how UIA
works (at least a high-level overview) when scripting for Windows 10 apps
and for supporting Edge.
If you'd like to hear Windows 10 in action, there are podcasts devoted to
this (including mine). I talked about Windows 10 (although from another
screen reader's perspective) on Tek Talk for August 3rd, which can be found
at www.accessibleworld.org.
Cheers,
Joseph
P.S. I believe we have some Windows Insiders who uses JAWS, so you can ask
them also.







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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Can you restart Narrator with windows+Enter?


On 8/6/2015 9:04 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong when trying
to activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either stuck or
something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the screen.

Sent from my iPhone 6!

On Aug 6, 2015, at 6:56 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Joseph and Rob,

Thank you for describing the accessibility of the upgrade process. I
just completed it, and both JAWS and Windows 10 are working well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via
Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 6:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
I just want to remind you that Narrator on Windows 10 is started and
stopped by pressing windows key and enter.
after starting the upgrade, I believe the PC restarted twice, after
that I waited about 20 minutes and pressed windows+Enter and Narrator
helped me finish the setup.
At one point, Narrator would not read the screen, so I quit and
restarted it with windows+Enter.
dont forget to make a backup before upgrading.


On 8/6/2015 4:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
Hi,

I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to
this
topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully
installed or upgraded to Windows 10 independently.
Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this
but
don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to
make sure I can do this with one or two screen readers.
Any tips will be helpful.
I've got my machine set and ready to go.
Jim


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Re: Installation of Windows 10

Michael Mote
 

I wanted to point out something regarding Narrator. I have tried using the
Windows key plus Enter command to launch it on both my Windows 7 and 8.1
computers. It does not launch it on my Windows 7 machine, but it does on my
Windows 8.1 machine. I'm bringing this up for the benefit of those who are
upgrading from Windows 8.1 to version 10. Windows key plus enter may be an
option for you. I don't mean to confuse the issue at all, but did want to
share my experience here.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 9:46 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
There is no command to restart Narrator.
Speaking of installing Windows, I'll go through some FAQ's I got from this
list in this email:
* Compatible JFW release: Please use JAWS 16.0.4350 or later, or if you'd
like to wait, please hold off until JAWS 17 comes out (public beta or
official build will do).
* Clean install versus in-place upgrade: You can perform an in-place upgrade
all by yourself with a screen reader running. Your computer will restart
several times, and after some restarts, you'll hear silence from your
computer. Once this happens, press Windows+ENTER to launch Narrator, and if
your sound card is detected, Microsoft David will come up talking.
* Multiple clean install options: There are two ways of performing clean
install: bootable media or from Media Creation Tool. If using Media Creation
tool option, the steps are same as above, except none of your programs and
settings will be kept. If doing bootable media installation, then you'll
indeed need some sighted assistance for the first few prompts to choose your
language, entering your product key (don't have to enter it), choosing a
partition and others. Once your computer restarts several times, follow the
steps above to finish installing using Narrator (Windows 10 will come in
either a DVD or on a flash drive).
* Some finds with JAWS 16.0.4350: My brief testing shows the following (at
least on my computer):
1. In Start search box, JAWS does not announce search results automatically.
2. JAWS does not announce Action Center notifications, aa variation of
Windows 8.x's toast notifications. They are toasts in disguise because you
can press Windows+V to move to and interact with them, and press Windows+A
to open Action Center. These are basic issues that should have been fixed in
the first place, thus (in my opinion) disqualifying JAWS from being
compatible with Windows 10 for now (I'm sure FS is working on it).
3. You can use TAB and Shift+TAB to move among links in Microsoft Edge (no
virtual cursor, no forms mode, no support for MathML yet). There were tweets
floating around which criticized FS for not supporting Edge yet, but that's
expected (the biggest nightmare for screen reader vendors is whenever
Microsoft comes out with a new version of Windows; Windows 8.x users tasted
this, and it'll happen more frequently now that Microsoft will be updating
Windows constantly to add new features which may break accessibility).
For resident geeks here:
* In order to let your app support Windows 10, you need to modify app
manifest in your application, which is what JAWS 16.0.4350 could have done.
* UIA (User Interface Automation) is more prominent now, with universal apps
using UIA.
* Microsoft Edge is filled with UIA objects, thus you need to know how UIA
works (at least a high-level overview) when scripting for Windows 10 apps
and for supporting Edge.
If you'd like to hear Windows 10 in action, there are podcasts devoted to
this (including mine). I talked about Windows 10 (although from another
screen reader's perspective) on Tek Talk for August 3rd, which can be found
at www.accessibleworld.org.
Cheers,
Joseph
P.S. I believe we have some Windows Insiders who uses JAWS, so you can ask
them also.







-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Can you restart Narrator with windows+Enter?


On 8/6/2015 9:04 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong when
trying
to activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either stuck or
something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the screen.

Sent from my iPhone 6!

On Aug 6, 2015, at 6:56 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Joseph and Rob,

Thank you for describing the accessibility of the upgrade process. I
just completed it, and both JAWS and Windows 10 are working well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via
Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 6:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
I just want to remind you that Narrator on Windows 10 is started and
stopped by pressing windows key and enter.
after starting the upgrade, I believe the PC restarted twice, after
that I waited about 20 minutes and pressed windows+Enter and Narrator
helped me finish the setup.
At one point, Narrator would not read the screen, so I quit and
restarted it with windows+Enter.
dont forget to make a backup before upgrading.


On 8/6/2015 4:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
Hi,

I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to
this
topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully
installed or upgraded to Windows 10 independently.
Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this
but
don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to
make sure I can do this with one or two screen readers.
Any tips will be helpful.
I've got my machine set and ready to go.
Jim


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Windows 10 Clean Install vs. In-Place Upgrade

Dave...
 

Joseph,

So in your summary, you say that using the Media Creation Tool will not keep
your programs and settings? It would end up being a factory default install
of Windows 10 and require installing all my programs from scratch? Does not
sound like what I want to do.

Or are you saying that I can use the Media Creation Tool to do an In-Place
Upgrade and not lose all my programs? Please clarify.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 07:46 AM
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10


Hi,
There is no command to restart Narrator.
Speaking of installing Windows, I'll go through some FAQ's I got from this
list in this email:
* Compatible JFW release: Please use JAWS 16.0.4350 or later, or if you'd
like to wait, please hold off until JAWS 17 comes out (public beta or
official build will do).
* Clean install versus in-place upgrade: You can perform an in-place upgrade
all by yourself with a screen reader running. Your computer will restart
several times, and after some restarts, you'll hear silence from your
computer. Once this happens, press Windows+ENTER to launch Narrator, and if
your sound card is detected, Microsoft David will come up talking.
* Multiple clean install options: There are two ways of performing clean
install: bootable media or from Media Creation Tool. If using Media Creation
tool option, the steps are same as above, except none of your programs and
settings will be kept. If doing bootable media installation, then you'll
indeed need some sighted assistance for the first few prompts to choose your
language, entering your product key (don't have to enter it), choosing a
partition and others. Once your computer restarts several times, follow the
steps above to finish installing using Narrator (Windows 10 will come in
either a DVD or on a flash drive).
* Some finds with JAWS 16.0.4350: My brief testing shows the following (at
least on my computer):
1. In Start search box, JAWS does not announce search results automatically.
2. JAWS does not announce Action Center notifications, aa variation of
Windows 8.x's toast notifications. They are toasts in disguise because you
can press Windows+V to move to and interact with them, and press Windows+A
to open Action Center. These are basic issues that should have been fixed in
the first place, thus (in my opinion) disqualifying JAWS from being
compatible with Windows 10 for now (I'm sure FS is working on it).
3. You can use TAB and Shift+TAB to move among links in Microsoft Edge (no
virtual cursor, no forms mode, no support for MathML yet). There were tweets
floating around which criticized FS for not supporting Edge yet, but that's
expected (the biggest nightmare for screen reader vendors is whenever
Microsoft comes out with a new version of Windows; Windows 8.x users tasted
this, and it'll happen more frequently now that Microsoft will be updating
Windows constantly to add new features which may break accessibility).
For resident geeks here:
* In order to let your app support Windows 10, you need to modify app
manifest in your application, which is what JAWS 16.0.4350 could have done.
* UIA (User Interface Automation) is more prominent now, with universal apps
using UIA.
* Microsoft Edge is filled with UIA objects, thus you need to know how UIA
works (at least a high-level overview) when scripting for Windows 10 apps
and for supporting Edge.
If you'd like to hear Windows 10 in action, there are podcasts devoted to
this (including mine). I talked about Windows 10 (although from another
screen reader's perspective) on Tek Talk for August 3rd, which can be found
at www.accessibleworld.org.
Cheers,
Joseph
P.S. I believe we have some Windows Insiders who uses JAWS, so you can ask
them also.







-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Can you restart Narrator with windows+Enter?


On 8/6/2015 9:04 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong when trying
to activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either stuck or
something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the screen.

Sent from my iPhone 6!

On Aug 6, 2015, at 6:56 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Joseph and Rob,

Thank you for describing the accessibility of the upgrade process. I
just completed it, and both JAWS and Windows 10 are working well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via
Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 6:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
I just want to remind you that Narrator on Windows 10 is started and
stopped by pressing windows key and enter.
after starting the upgrade, I believe the PC restarted twice, after
that I waited about 20 minutes and pressed windows+Enter and Narrator
helped me finish the setup.
At one point, Narrator would not read the screen, so I quit and
restarted it with windows+Enter.
dont forget to make a backup before upgrading.


On 8/6/2015 4:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
Hi,

I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to
this
topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully
installed or upgraded to Windows 10 independently.
Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this
but
don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to
make sure I can do this with one or two screen readers.
Any tips will be helpful.
I've got my machine set and ready to go.
Jim


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Re: Installation of Windows 10

 

Hi,
There is no command to restart Narrator.
Speaking of installing Windows, I'll go through some FAQ's I got from this
list in this email:
* Compatible JFW release: Please use JAWS 16.0.4350 or later, or if you'd
like to wait, please hold off until JAWS 17 comes out (public beta or
official build will do).
* Clean install versus in-place upgrade: You can perform an in-place upgrade
all by yourself with a screen reader running. Your computer will restart
several times, and after some restarts, you'll hear silence from your
computer. Once this happens, press Windows+ENTER to launch Narrator, and if
your sound card is detected, Microsoft David will come up talking.
* Multiple clean install options: There are two ways of performing clean
install: bootable media or from Media Creation Tool. If using Media Creation
tool option, the steps are same as above, except none of your programs and
settings will be kept. If doing bootable media installation, then you'll
indeed need some sighted assistance for the first few prompts to choose your
language, entering your product key (don't have to enter it), choosing a
partition and others. Once your computer restarts several times, follow the
steps above to finish installing using Narrator (Windows 10 will come in
either a DVD or on a flash drive).
* Some finds with JAWS 16.0.4350: My brief testing shows the following (at
least on my computer):
1. In Start search box, JAWS does not announce search results automatically.
2. JAWS does not announce Action Center notifications, aa variation of
Windows 8.x's toast notifications. They are toasts in disguise because you
can press Windows+V to move to and interact with them, and press Windows+A
to open Action Center. These are basic issues that should have been fixed in
the first place, thus (in my opinion) disqualifying JAWS from being
compatible with Windows 10 for now (I'm sure FS is working on it).
3. You can use TAB and Shift+TAB to move among links in Microsoft Edge (no
virtual cursor, no forms mode, no support for MathML yet). There were tweets
floating around which criticized FS for not supporting Edge yet, but that's
expected (the biggest nightmare for screen reader vendors is whenever
Microsoft comes out with a new version of Windows; Windows 8.x users tasted
this, and it'll happen more frequently now that Microsoft will be updating
Windows constantly to add new features which may break accessibility).
For resident geeks here:
* In order to let your app support Windows 10, you need to modify app
manifest in your application, which is what JAWS 16.0.4350 could have done.
* UIA (User Interface Automation) is more prominent now, with universal apps
using UIA.
* Microsoft Edge is filled with UIA objects, thus you need to know how UIA
works (at least a high-level overview) when scripting for Windows 10 apps
and for supporting Edge.
If you'd like to hear Windows 10 in action, there are podcasts devoted to
this (including mine). I talked about Windows 10 (although from another
screen reader's perspective) on Tek Talk for August 3rd, which can be found
at www.accessibleworld.org.
Cheers,
Joseph
P.S. I believe we have some Windows Insiders who uses JAWS, so you can ask
them also.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Can you restart Narrator with windows+Enter?


On 8/6/2015 9:04 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong when trying
to activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either stuck or
something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the screen.

Sent from my iPhone 6!

On Aug 6, 2015, at 6:56 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Joseph and Rob,

Thank you for describing the accessibility of the upgrade process. I
just completed it, and both JAWS and Windows 10 are working well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via
Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 6:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
I just want to remind you that Narrator on Windows 10 is started and
stopped by pressing windows key and enter.
after starting the upgrade, I believe the PC restarted twice, after
that I waited about 20 minutes and pressed windows+Enter and Narrator
helped me finish the setup.
At one point, Narrator would not read the screen, so I quit and
restarted it with windows+Enter.
dont forget to make a backup before upgrading.


On 8/6/2015 4:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
Hi,

I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to
this
topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully
installed or upgraded to Windows 10 independently.
Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this
but
don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to
make sure I can do this with one or two screen readers.
Any tips will be helpful.
I've got my machine set and ready to go.
Jim


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Re: Installation of Windows 10

Jim Portillo
 

No, it doesn't start or restart narrator.

Sent from my iPhone 6!

On Aug 7, 2015, at 7:14 AM, Rob via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Can you restart Narrator with windows+Enter?


On 8/6/2015 9:04 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong when trying to activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either stuck or something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the screen.

Sent from my iPhone 6!

On Aug 6, 2015, at 6:56 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Joseph and Rob,

Thank you for describing the accessibility of the upgrade process. I just
completed it, and both JAWS and Windows 10 are working well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 6:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
I just want to remind you that Narrator on Windows 10 is started and
stopped by pressing windows key and enter.
after starting the upgrade, I believe the PC restarted twice, after that
I waited about 20 minutes and pressed windows+Enter and Narrator helped
me finish the setup.
At one point, Narrator would not read the screen, so I quit and
restarted it with windows+Enter.
dont forget to make a backup before upgrading.


On 8/6/2015 4:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
Hi,

I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to this
topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully installed
or upgraded to Windows 10 independently.
Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this but
don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to make
sure I can do this with one or two screen readers.
Any tips will be helpful.
I've got my machine set and ready to go.
Jim


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Re: facebook and reading someone else's timeline

Bill White
 

Hi, Kimsan. To use the J,K navigation, you must have JAWS16, and you must have the option "allow application reserved keystroaks" checked in your settings under html options, Miscellaneous.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 1:52 AM
Subject: RE: facebook and reading someone else's timeline


I'm not understanding this j, k navigation tip.
When I press it, it says jump to line, but when I hit the pass through
command and then press it, it works. Also, this is only for the regular fb
page correct? Not the mobile site?
I think Adrian Sprat posted that link to the article where it talks about
the j, k stuff but I know longer have it. Can you help a brother out by
explaining how to use this method for navigation, or send the link for the
information.
Thank you.
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Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 11:26 AM
To: JAWS Users <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Paul Martz <skewmatrix@gmail.com>
Subject: facebook and reading someone else's timeline

Hi all. Another facebook accessibility questions.

Once I go to someone else's timeline or facebook page (anything other than
my own timeline, actually), how do I quickly navigate through the posted
news items on that page?

I understand that I can use j and k on my own news feed to move between
articles. But if I'm on someone else's timeline, j and k have no effect, and
as a result, there doesn't appear to be an easy way to move between articles
on a timeline.

Is anyone else seeing this? Any workarounds would be appreciated.
-Paul



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Re: Installation of Windows 10

Robert Cole
 

Can you restart Narrator with windows+Enter?

On 8/6/2015 9:04 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong when trying to activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either stuck or something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the screen.

Sent from my iPhone 6!

On Aug 6, 2015, at 6:56 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Joseph and Rob,

Thank you for describing the accessibility of the upgrade process. I just
completed it, and both JAWS and Windows 10 are working well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 6:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
I just want to remind you that Narrator on Windows 10 is started and
stopped by pressing windows key and enter.
after starting the upgrade, I believe the PC restarted twice, after that
I waited about 20 minutes and pressed windows+Enter and Narrator helped
me finish the setup.
At one point, Narrator would not read the screen, so I quit and
restarted it with windows+Enter.
dont forget to make a backup before upgrading.


On 8/6/2015 4:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
Hi,

I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to this
topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully installed
or upgraded to Windows 10 independently.
Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this but
don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to make
sure I can do this with one or two screen readers.
Any tips will be helpful.
I've got my machine set and ready to go.
Jim


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Re: audio program query

Mario
 

Joseph, take a look at PowerMixer:
www.actualsolution.com/power-mixer/

there are some youtube tutorials done by someone that sounds like writer bren (I'm not sure of the spelling) on how to set it up, etc. She did make 1 and 3 others not related to setting it up. I don't know if she made more.

if you're looking for something free, there's sound volume view by the same makers, but haven't used it or don't know of any tutorials.

On 8/6/2015 9:12 PM, joseph weakland via Jfw wrote:
does anyone know of an audio program that works like quickmix did that will work on a win7 32 bit or 64 bit system?
i found out quickmix not recommended for win7:(
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Re: Installation of Windows 10

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Also, having read the news release from FS, may I infer that one should cleanly and completely uninstall earlier versions of JAWS?

Ted

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Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 7:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Michal Nowicki
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Mark and Joe,

How did you know when to start Narrator? Did you launch it before starting the update?

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Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 5:10 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Mark Furness <flintman57@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

I did it all by myself.
I upgraded from windows 7 home premium, running Jaws 16. Thanks to the people on the list as I had to do a repair on jaws.
I tried using narrator and that helped a little. But, I’m use to jaws, thus found it frustrating.

In short you can do it by yourself.

Mark
On Aug 6, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Hi,

I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to this topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully installed or upgraded to Windows 10 independently.
Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this but don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to make sure I can do this with one or two screen readers.
Any tips will be helpful.
I've got my machine set and ready to go.
Jim


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Re: Installation of Windows 10

Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

Great. I'm glad. I guess only difference now is that with a local
account they cut down on features. Like kortana not available in local
account.

On 07/08/2015, Joseph Lee via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Hi,
You can still sign in using a local account.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 12:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Well, it works but its not really a good idea to upgrade over an existing
windows. Hope things won't go wrong later. A clean install is always
better.
Does anyone know if you are forced to use a Microsoft account, or can you
stil sign in with a local account?

On 07/08/2015, Jim Portillo via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong when
trying to activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either
stuck or something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the
screen.

Sent from my iPhone 6!

On Aug 6, 2015, at 6:56 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
wrote:

Joseph and Rob,

Thank you for describing the accessibility of the upgrade process. I
just completed it, and both JAWS and Windows 10 are working well.

-----Original Message-----
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Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 6:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
I just want to remind you that Narrator on Windows 10 is started and
stopped by pressing windows key and enter.
after starting the upgrade, I believe the PC restarted twice, after
that I waited about 20 minutes and pressed windows+Enter and Narrator
helped me finish the setup.
At one point, Narrator would not read the screen, so I quit and
restarted it with windows+Enter.
dont forget to make a backup before upgrading.


On 8/6/2015 4:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
Hi,

I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to
this
topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully
installed or upgraded to Windows 10 independently.
Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this
but
don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to
make sure I can do this with one or two screen readers.
Any tips will be helpful.
I've got my machine set and ready to go.
Jim


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Re: Installation of Windows 10

James Bentley
 

Hi,

I've been saving post in order to come up with a step by step to do list for preparing for and installing Windows 10.

At what point do I need to sign in? And, who am I signing in with?

Thanks,

James

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Lee via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 2:57 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Joseph Lee
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
You can still sign in using a local account.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 12:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Well, it works but its not really a good idea to upgrade over an existing
windows. Hope things won't go wrong later. A clean install is always better.
Does anyone know if you are forced to use a Microsoft account, or can you
stil sign in with a local account?

On 07/08/2015, Jim Portillo via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong when
trying to activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either
stuck or something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the
screen.

Sent from my iPhone 6!

On Aug 6, 2015, at 6:56 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
wrote:

Joseph and Rob,

Thank you for describing the accessibility of the upgrade process. I
just completed it, and both JAWS and Windows 10 are working well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via
Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 6:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
I just want to remind you that Narrator on Windows 10 is started and
stopped by pressing windows key and enter.
after starting the upgrade, I believe the PC restarted twice, after
that I waited about 20 minutes and pressed windows+Enter and Narrator
helped me finish the setup.
At one point, Narrator would not read the screen, so I quit and
restarted it with windows+Enter.
dont forget to make a backup before upgrading.


On 8/6/2015 4:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
Hi,

I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to
this
topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully
installed or upgraded to Windows 10 independently.
Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this
but
don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to
make sure I can do this with one or two screen readers.
Any tips will be helpful.
I've got my machine set and ready to go.
Jim


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Re: facebook and reading someone else's timeline

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

I'm not understanding this j, k navigation tip.
When I press it, it says jump to line, but when I hit the pass through
command and then press it, it works. Also, this is only for the regular fb
page correct? Not the mobile site?
I think Adrian Sprat posted that link to the article where it talks about
the j, k stuff but I know longer have it. Can you help a brother out by
explaining how to use this method for navigation, or send the link for the
information.
Thank you.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Paul Martz via
Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 11:26 AM
To: JAWS Users <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Paul Martz <skewmatrix@gmail.com>
Subject: facebook and reading someone else's timeline

Hi all. Another facebook accessibility questions.

Once I go to someone else's timeline or facebook page (anything other than
my own timeline, actually), how do I quickly navigate through the posted
news items on that page?

I understand that I can use j and k on my own news feed to move between
articles. But if I'm on someone else's timeline, j and k have no effect, and
as a result, there doesn't appear to be an easy way to move between articles
on a timeline.

Is anyone else seeing this? Any workarounds would be appreciated.
-Paul



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outlook 2013 email reading curiosity

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

Does anyone have outlook 2013, if so, when you open up an email and read it
or if it reads automatically for you, do you find that jaws reads it twice
as to say, pay attention! I'm only going to read it one more time to you!

It didn't do that in 2010, only here in 2013. Honestly, when it does that,
my brain gets confused lol.

FYI, using windows 10 pro and jaws 4350

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Re: Installation of Windows 10

 

Hi,
You can still sign in using a local account.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 12:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Well, it works but its not really a good idea to upgrade over an existing
windows. Hope things won't go wrong later. A clean install is always better.
Does anyone know if you are forced to use a Microsoft account, or can you
stil sign in with a local account?

On 07/08/2015, Jim Portillo via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong when
trying to activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either
stuck or something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the
screen.

Sent from my iPhone 6!

On Aug 6, 2015, at 6:56 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
wrote:

Joseph and Rob,

Thank you for describing the accessibility of the upgrade process. I
just completed it, and both JAWS and Windows 10 are working well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via
Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 6:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
I just want to remind you that Narrator on Windows 10 is started and
stopped by pressing windows key and enter.
after starting the upgrade, I believe the PC restarted twice, after
that I waited about 20 minutes and pressed windows+Enter and Narrator
helped me finish the setup.
At one point, Narrator would not read the screen, so I quit and
restarted it with windows+Enter.
dont forget to make a backup before upgrading.


On 8/6/2015 4:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
Hi,

I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to
this
topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully
installed or upgraded to Windows 10 independently.
Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this
but
don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to
make sure I can do this with one or two screen readers.
Any tips will be helpful.
I've got my machine set and ready to go.
Jim


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Re: Installation of Windows 10

Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

Well, it works but its not really a good idea to upgrade over an
existing windows. Hope things won't go wrong later. A clean install is
always better. Does anyone know if you are forced to use a Microsoft
account, or can you stil sign in with a local account?

On 07/08/2015, Jim Portillo via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong when trying to
activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either stuck or
something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the screen.

Sent from my iPhone 6!

On Aug 6, 2015, at 6:56 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
wrote:

Joseph and Rob,

Thank you for describing the accessibility of the upgrade process. I
just
completed it, and both JAWS and Windows 10 are working well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Rob via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 6:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
I just want to remind you that Narrator on Windows 10 is started and
stopped by pressing windows key and enter.
after starting the upgrade, I believe the PC restarted twice, after that
I waited about 20 minutes and pressed windows+Enter and Narrator helped
me finish the setup.
At one point, Narrator would not read the screen, so I quit and
restarted it with windows+Enter.
dont forget to make a backup before upgrading.


On 8/6/2015 4:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
Hi,

I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to this
topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully
installed
or upgraded to Windows 10 independently.
Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this but
don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to
make
sure I can do this with one or two screen readers.
Any tips will be helpful.
I've got my machine set and ready to go.
Jim


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Re: repairing jaws

Bill White
 

Hi, Carolyn. You don't need to get the latest version of JAWS from the disk. You can download it directly from FreedomScientific.com
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: repairing jaws


What if 16 has to be repaired, if it has been downloaded, since the disk costs ten dollars?

Best to you from,

Carolyn

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Cc: "Kevin Hourigan" <kevinthourigan@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:23 PM
Subject: RE: repairing jaws


Sorry if this already has been answered, but I was not sure if it was the
same request.
Cheers Kevin.
Repair Jaws 11, 12, 13, 14, or 15.
1. Place a copy of the Jaws executible version that you want to repair into
the main root of the " C " drive. For example; If you are running Jaws11
most recent you would paste a copy of " J11.0.1430-32bit.exe " into the main
root of the " C " drive. To open the main root of the " C " drive, go to
the desktop, press enter on My Computer, press enter on Local disk C, and
now you have the main root of the " C " drive open.
2. With the Jaws " .exe " pasted into the "C" drive, highlight the " .exe ",
and press F2 as if you were going to edit this line of text. now press
control + C to copy this Jaws executible, press escape to close the edit
field, and press Alt + F4 to close the C drive.
What you want to do is place just the title of the Jaws version into the
Windows Run Dialogue box and not the file. If you were to place the Jaws
executable into the Run box without copying as you did as per the
instructions above you would have pasted the whole file into the Run Box
instead of just the title.
3. Now that you have just the title copied to the clipboard, press Windows
key + R to open the Run Dialogue Box. Type, remember to type a capitalC ,"
C:\ " without the quotes or spaces and press control + V to paste the Jaws
title, press your end key to take the cursor to the end of the title and
type in the following " /type
repair" without the quotes but, with the spaces . Below is what your line
of text should look / read like. C:\J15.0.5056ENU-64bit.exe /type repair
Read character by character to make sure you have put in the proper spaces,
Forward & back slashes and text. press the home key to go to the front of
the title and press enter to start the repair.

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via Jfw
Sent: August-06-15 10:48 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@icloud.com>
Subject: RE: repairing jaws

It is because of the mirror display driver. FS now has a page on upgrading
to Windows 10 that contains specific instructions. Basically, if you
upgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 7, you must reinstall the latest build of
JAWS 16 over the current installation after the update before it will work
properly.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 12:17 PM
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Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
Subject: RE: repairing jaws

That's interesting; care to elaborate?

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via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 12:22 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Michal Nowicki
Subject: RE: repairing jaws

Did you, by any chance, just upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10? If so,
that explains why you must repair JAWS.

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via Jfw
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To: Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
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Subject: repairing jaws

Every time I start my computer, jaws keeps on saying there is 2 things that
are not installed correctly. I have tried a reboot as it suggested. But,
that did not fix the problem. It also suggested to do a repair. All I haave
is the downloaded filees. How then do I do a repair?

Thank you for getting me out of this mess!!!

Mark
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