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Why upgrade to IE 11?

Tom Behler
 

Hello, everyone.

 

Please do not take this question as a means of trying to start controversy on the list.

 

Can someone explain to me the exact risks that would be involved with sticking to IE 10, rather than upgrading to IE 11?

 

I know that Microsoft will not be supporting IE 10 after Jan 12, but I’m never quite sure exactly what that means.

 

As many of you know, I’m a college professor, and always like to understand why things happen as they do, and why one should take certain steps.

 

I was in a discussion with someone this morning about why I need to upgrade to IE 11, and didn’t feel I was answering their questions adequately.

 

Again, not trying to stir up controversy;  just trying to learn.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 


Re: Collapsed Inbox.

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Right Arrow. Thanks, Tony.


Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony [mailto:Tony@K5TWZ.Com]
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 9:26 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Collapsed Inbox.

The right arrow key should open it for you.



Tony





From: Carolyn Arnold [mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 8:16 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Collapsed Inbox.



Does anyone know what to do to control the Inbox and just maintain it?



My Inbox, sometimes, says it is collapsed. It has said it was collapsed
three weeks ago, now says it was collapsed today. Usually I can exit
Outlook and come back in. What in the world is that, why, and what can I
do to stop it or fix it, please?



Best from,



Carolyn


Re: Mirror Display driver error

Michael Mote
 

If you remove a driver, it should be the Freedom Scientific Driver.  Then, try to run a JAWS repair to see if that resolves the error.

 

 

From: Sameer [mailto:salatey@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 12:42 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Mirror Display driver error

 

 

When I go into Device Manager, I can see two display drivers installed. The first is the Freedom Scientific driver & the second is the computer’s own display driver (HP driver).

 

Which of these two drivers should I uninstall? Or should I use the “Search for Updates” feature?

 

Regards

Mr. Sameer Latey,
Mumbai, India

 

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 8:03 PM

Subject: Re: Mirror Display driver error

 

You can check in your device manager to see if the mirror display driver is installed.  If it is, I would remove it, and then run a JAWS repair.  This has resolved this issue for me in the past.  If it doesn’t, you may have to totally remove JAWS, and start from scratch.  Good luck!

 

 

From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) [mailto:Ted.Lisle@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 7:49 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Mirror Display driver error

 

In other words, you used a download, rather than the factory disk?  I want to follow this thread, as 17 may be in my immediate personal and professional future.

 

From: Cristóbal [mailto:crismunoz54@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 12:01 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Mirror Display driver error

 

Did you by any chance run the Windows 10 tool from FS to remove older versions of Jaws? If so, then that could be what’s causing your issues. I did this thinking I’d upgrade my Windows 7 machine, but later decided against it. Running the Jaws 17 installer fixed it for me.

 

 

From: Sameer [mailto:salatey@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 7:23 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Mirror Display driver error

 

 

Dear List Members,

 

I had been using JAWS 16 (64-bit) on my computer with Windows 7 as the OS. I have installed the latest build of JAWS 17 (64-bit) during the weekend & since then have been receiving a Freedom Scientific Mirror Display driver error message. This error message appears whenever JAWS is started & going back to JAWS version 16 has not resolved the problem.

 

The error message says that the Freedom Scientific Mirror Display driver could not be loaded & provides a Reinstall option. Selecting the Reinstall option does not resolve the problem.

 

Request your kind assistance in resolving the above problem.

 

Thanking all in advance for any & all assistance.

 

Regards

Mr. Sameer Latey,
Mumbai, India


Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

 

Kelly,

        You are simply incorrect about what I do.  I'll leave it at that.

Brian


Re: Collapsed Inbox.

judith bron
 

When that happens I press enter and all is well.

 

From: Carolyn Arnold [mailto:4carolyna@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 9:16 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Collapsed Inbox.

 

Does anyone know what to do to control the Inbox and just maintain it?

 

My Inbox, sometimes, says it is collapsed. It has said it was collapsed three weeks ago, now says it was collapsed today. Usually I can exit Outlook and come back in. What in the world is that, why, and what can I do to stop it or fix it, please?

 

Best from,

 

Carolyn

 


microsoft excell

thomas williams
 

 

I am looking for a Microsoft excel practice program, is such a animal available?

 


Test message, please ignore

Angela Delicata
 

Angela from Italy


Is there a way to get the flyer template for microsoft word 2013?

David Ingram
 

Hi list members, I’m trying to find out if there is a flier template for Microsoft word 2013?  I need to make some fliers but I wanted to make sure that this was possible?  Thank you for any information that you might have.  I am using jaws 16 and windows 7 professional 64 bit.  P.S.  I tried to install another voice in jaws but I think that I’m unable to use it because of the amd processor that I have in this e machine.  I’m wondering if it would work in the quad coar system with 32 gb of ram!  Thank you for any information that you might have concerning my questions!


Re: how to save favorites in Google Chrome

David Moore
 

Hi,
To save a website, just press ctrl + D. Now, to read through your book marks (favorites) Press the alt key and down arrow once and press the letter B. Press the right arrow to open that sub menu and then up and down arrow through your book marks. Favorites in IE are called Book marks in Firefox and Google Chrome. As you arrow through your book marks, just press enter on the one you want. You can also import all of your favorites from IE, and book marks from Firefox. Hope that helps. Let me know if you have anymore questions. Have a great one.
 
 

Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 12:24 AM
Subject: how to save favorites in Google Chrome
 

Hi:

 

I have Windows 10 and Jaws 17. I downloaded Google Chrome and wonder how I can save a web site location like you can with Internet Explorer? I don’t see a favorites option.

 

Thank you.

 

Sincerely,

 

Lauren

 


Re: Installing Windows 10 on a Del tablet

Jim Portillo
 

Excellent.

I’m going to try that. 

I truly do appreciate all of your suggestions.  They’re of great help!

And, I wish to publicly apologize for the vague subject line.  A few of you made me see that wouldn’t really work so well.

I just remember bringing this subject up a few weeks ago and not really getting many answers.

Thanks again, and I apologize.

 

 

From: David Moore [mailto:jesusloves1966@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 9:42 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Installing Windows 10 on a Del tablet

 

Hi Brian,

Yes, Brian is right. I only have 32 GB on this SSD drive and I do just what he said. Like I said in another post, I Hooked my external drive up and the win 10 10856 upgrade did great, because I had that external drive hooked up so the back up that windows does went to the external drive. Have a great one.

 

 

Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 7:59 PM

Subject: Re: Installing Windows 10 on a Del tablet

 

Jim,

        Well, the most likely answer is that she has a lot more user data on her system, and if this is the case then you are in luck.  You can always get a USB drive or microSD card that's as large, or larger, in its capacity than the whole "hard drive" on this machine.  Copy off all the user data and then delete it from the tablet itself.  Then run the upgrade, which will likely work.  Then copy the user data back on to the device.

        I actually suggest that, whenever possible, if your tablet has an SD or microSD card port that you keep one in there and save all your user data to that rather than to the "hard drive" (which isn't, but you know what I mean).  These days 32GB isn't a heck of a lot of space as far as any OS is concerned.  The microSD card I have in my smartphone is 64GB.

Brian


Re: Saving a location with Google Chrome

Adrian Spratt
 

While in Chrome, press alt. Arrow down once. Press b for bookmarks. Right-arrow once. Now you can arrow up and down this submenu.

 

One option is to book mark a page, which shares the same IE shortcut of control-d. Another is to import favorites/bookmarks from other browsers, including IE.

 

Navigation through the bookmarks menu relies heavily on right arrow, along with the up and down arrows.

 

After your IE favorites have been imported, you reach them with the same b submenu. Once you hit the IE imports option, right-arrow twice.

 

From: Lauren Snyder [mailto:princessesrule@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 12:26 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Saving a location with Google Chrome

 

Hi:

 

I have Win10 and Jaws 17. Using Google Chrome as I hear IE will be phased out, how can I save a location like you can in IE favorites? I can’t seem to find a similar feature in Chrome.

 

Thank you.

 

 

Sincerely,

 

Lauren

 


Re: Installing Windows 10 on a Del tablet

David Moore
 

Hi Brian,
Yes, Brian is right. I only have 32 GB on this SSD drive and I do just what he said. Like I said in another post, I Hooked my external drive up and the win 10 10856 upgrade did great, because I had that external drive hooked up so the back up that windows does went to the external drive. Have a great one.
 
 

Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: Installing Windows 10 on a Del tablet
 

Jim,

        Well, the most likely answer is that she has a lot more user data on her system, and if this is the case then you are in luck.  You can always get a USB drive or microSD card that's as large, or larger, in its capacity than the whole "hard drive" on this machine.  Copy off all the user data and then delete it from the tablet itself.  Then run the upgrade, which will likely work.  Then copy the user data back on to the device.

        I actually suggest that, whenever possible, if your tablet has an SD or microSD card port that you keep one in there and save all your user data to that rather than to the "hard drive" (which isn't, but you know what I mean).  These days 32GB isn't a heck of a lot of space as far as any OS is concerned.  The microSD card I have in my smartphone is 64GB.

Brian


Saving a location with Google Chrome

Lauren Snyder
 

Hi:

 

I have Win10 and Jaws 17. Using Google Chrome as I hear IE will be phased out, how can I save a location like you can in IE favorites? I can’t seem to find a similar feature in Chrome.

 

Thank you.

 

 

Sincerely,

 

Lauren

 


how to save favorites in Google Chrome

Lauren Snyder
 

Hi:

 

I have Windows 10 and Jaws 17. I downloaded Google Chrome and wonder how I can save a web site location like you can with Internet Explorer? I don’t see a favorites option.

 

Thank you.

 

Sincerely,

 

Lauren

 


Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

Kelly Pierce
 

Brian,

I was speaking about typical student performance not the capacity of
blind people. Some people are fluent in six languages, but this is
very few. Travel and tourism companies would be foolish to believe
that most travelers are fluent in the world’s most commonly spoken
languages. While a few blind people have memorized many hundreds of
keyboard shortcuts, it would be folly to believe most blind people
need or want to invest the time to learn hundreds of keyboard
shortcuts and are facile with many software programs. The learning
curve to master adaptive technology used by the blind is steep. Most
blind people have other interests than learning technology and decide
to learn what they need to know rather than comprehensively know
everything about a software application. They could learn hundreds of
keyboard shortcuts like people learning six languages but choose to do
other things with their time.

This is all said because you seem to focus on students learning
detailed recipes of keyboard shortcuts like the examples you posted
rather than a system of understanding screen reading technology that
would be used when you are no longer in the student’s life.

A few months ago, I was transferred to a new job where I needed to
learn Excel for the first time. I had never used Excel before and
taught myself the program well enough to surpass the expectations in
my new job. This was possible because I knew how to learn JAWS and
Windows functions and adapt to new software not because a trainer at
one time provided long lists of keyboard sequences for me to use
sometime in the future but because I learned key functions of JAWS,
windows and common applications in addition to Windows shortcuts. My
employer expected me to figure out the software and the accessibility
I needed to do the job, not to turn around and tell them to hire a
trainer to teach me Excel because I only knew Windows.

Kelly

On 1/9/16, Louise Johnson <herclouise@shaw.ca> wrote:
Hi Brian thanks for saying what you said here. I have read all the messages
in this group of emails. We as users learn new things by trying or something
not working at the time. I only wish things didn’t have to change. We learn
the things we use daily. I can do a keyboard command a few times and
remember it always if using within daily use. I can say using something
within our daily life helps us remember it fully.



I will say I don’t mean that we use every command daily but within the short
time.



I have friends who wonder how I remember how to make a new folder in outlook
2013 and don’t even have to think about it.



I can do this also with JAWS keyboard commands. I learn and use it and I
won’t forget. Now only use once a year or twice a year and I do forget.



I don’t remember how to spell but keyboards commands are so easy for me.



I believe learning is easier for some than others. So some can write
wonderfully and some remember keyboard commands and can just do them.



One thing is when learning the commands knowing if computer commands or JAWS
commands. When you can’t see. I learned at first that JAWS had its own key
that you added other keys with. So my trainer helped me that way. She asked
me after learning how to do something what was JAWS commands and the
computer commands so I learned very early the differences and that was very
smart of her.



There isn’t any perfect way to learn and there are so many different ways to
do the same thing. So I take when learning I ask for how people do the same
thing and find the way I like to do it. I keep in my mind when helping
others if they can’t learn my way to show them another way and they learn
that my way is most less keys overall but I still read all emails and see if
there is an faster way to do the same thing.



Louise and princess Kiara





From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Sent: January 9, 2016 6:57 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize
when teaching



Kelly,

You are indeed correct. I hasten to add that I do not, and never
have, attempted to teach any client the exhaustive list of either JAWS
commands or keyboard shortcuts for the Windows programs they're using. As
I pointed out earlier relative to myself, even I don't know anywhere near to
all of these. I let the client's actual needs as I work with them guide
just precisely what gets taught in terms of the weird detailed keyboard
shortcuts that virtually no sighted person ever uses but that they must use
if they wish to independently perform task X.

I'm also big on the "teach a man or woman to fish" approach to
JAWS and Windows, so that when I'm no longer present they are able to do a
reasonable amount of digging and exploration on their own. I do less of
this than I'd actually like to because I often have to focus on a list of
immediate and pressing needs related to what the client needs to accomplish
NOW (or yesterday).

I will take issue with your statement about blind users and the
number of keyboard shortcuts they can manage in their heads. Virtually
every proficient blind computer user I know manages a large number of
keyboard shortcuts in their head, far more than I do teaching them, because
I learn them to teach them, while they learn them to use them and tend to
build upon that list as more and more tasks are required over a period of
years. I'd be shocked if it isn't hundreds, plural, for some of the really,
really proficient.

Brian




Re: Installing Windows 10 on a Del tablet

David Moore
 

Hi,
When I installed win10 fall update 1511 10586 on my HP Stream Tablet, there was not enough memory, so I just hooked up my external storage drive and it then installed great. Maybe that is what she needs to do. Have a great one.
 
 

Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: Installing Windows 10 on a Del tablet
 

Yes sir, Brian.  That's exactly correct.

I don't know if you read my previous message or not, but I bought this tablet before my friend did, and I was able to install Windows 10 on mine with no problem.  Same specs and basically same programs.  I may have had a couple of extra programs on mine, but I was using it with Windows 8.1 for a while before upgrading.  I think I even had music.

My friend's tablet has JAWS, MS Office 2013, and Windows Live mail.

 

I never got the message to "get Windows 10" so I was just going online, and it started out OK, but as you suspected, it said I needed at least 8 gb of memory.

 

Again, what I don't understand (it's a mystery)why was I able to do mine with no problem and hers is giving me the message of not enough memory? 

I hate to tell her I may not be able to help her, but if I can't find a good solution, that may have to be the case.

My Windows 10 installation went flawlessly.

Jim

 

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 4:39 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Installing Windows 10 on a Del tablet

 

Jim,

         How are you attempting to do the upgrade install?  By that I mean through the "Get Windows 10" process that showed up in the system tray where you "reserved" a copy (or are now being nagged) or via external media?

         If the former, you might want to visit the Microsoft Media Creation Tool pages and see what the steps would be to update by creating the installation media on a USB drive and booting from that to do the upgrade.

         I suspect, though, that the issue really is that there is not enough memory needed to complete the installation.  The files, once they're unzipped, probably take somewhere in the double-digits gigs of memory during the install process but are then deleted after it is complete.  From what I can find online there are people who've successfully upgraded this device to Windows 10.

Brian


Re: I have a dream

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

When I hit the jackpot, I'm flying to Cambodia to get married to a Cambodian woman, then pay her to come to the states, pay one of you jaws folks to teach her jaws and learn English.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy [mailto:bwaylimited@verizon.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 1:27 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: I have a dream


Maria, if you win the $900 million lottery drawing tonight, you can buy FS, lock, stock and barrel and run the whole freakin' company yourself as you see fit. LOL!

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Maria Campbell
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 3:43 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: I have a dream

If I win the lotto tonight, I'm going to St. Petersburg to learn JAWS scripting from Freedom Scientific. I will have my own personal trainer, who will give me all the time I need to learn.
Yes, I have a dream.
Big smile.

--

Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
lucky1@ct.metrocast.net

Be patient with God: Be patient with yourself: Be patient with others.


Re: Collapsed Inbox.

Tony
 

The right arrow key should open it for you.

 

Tony

 

 

From: Carolyn Arnold [mailto:4carolyna@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 8:16 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Collapsed Inbox.

 

Does anyone know what to do to control the Inbox and just maintain it?

 

My Inbox, sometimes, says it is collapsed. It has said it was collapsed three weeks ago, now says it was collapsed today. Usually I can exit Outlook and come back in. What in the world is that, why, and what can I do to stop it or fix it, please?

 

Best from,

 

Carolyn

 


Collapsed Inbox.

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Does anyone know what to do to control the Inbox and just maintain it?

 

My Inbox, sometimes, says it is collapsed. It has said it was collapsed three weeks ago, now says it was collapsed today. Usually I can exit Outlook and come back in. What in the world is that, why, and what can I do to stop it or fix it, please?

 

Best from,

 

Carolyn

 


Re: I have a dream

Charles Coe
 

Yes, Dream on.

-----Original Message-----
From: Maria Campbell [mailto:lucky1@ct.metrocast.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 12:44 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: I have a dream

If I win the lotto tonight, I'm going to St. Petersburg to learn JAWS scripting from Freedom Scientific. I will have my own personal trainer, who will give me all the time I need to learn.
Yes, I have a dream.
Big smile.

--

Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
lucky1@ct.metrocast.net

Be patient with God: Be patient with yourself: Be patient with others.