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Saving a location with Google Chrome

Lauren Snyder
 

Hi:

 

I have Win10 and Jaws 17. Using Google Chrome as I hear IE will be phased out, how can I save a location like you can in IE favorites? I can’t seem to find a similar feature in Chrome.

 

Thank you.

 

 

Sincerely,

 

Lauren

 


how to save favorites in Google Chrome

Lauren Snyder
 

Hi:

 

I have Windows 10 and Jaws 17. I downloaded Google Chrome and wonder how I can save a web site location like you can with Internet Explorer? I don’t see a favorites option.

 

Thank you.

 

Sincerely,

 

Lauren

 


Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

Kelly Pierce
 

Brian,

I was speaking about typical student performance not the capacity of
blind people. Some people are fluent in six languages, but this is
very few. Travel and tourism companies would be foolish to believe
that most travelers are fluent in the world’s most commonly spoken
languages. While a few blind people have memorized many hundreds of
keyboard shortcuts, it would be folly to believe most blind people
need or want to invest the time to learn hundreds of keyboard
shortcuts and are facile with many software programs. The learning
curve to master adaptive technology used by the blind is steep. Most
blind people have other interests than learning technology and decide
to learn what they need to know rather than comprehensively know
everything about a software application. They could learn hundreds of
keyboard shortcuts like people learning six languages but choose to do
other things with their time.

This is all said because you seem to focus on students learning
detailed recipes of keyboard shortcuts like the examples you posted
rather than a system of understanding screen reading technology that
would be used when you are no longer in the student’s life.

A few months ago, I was transferred to a new job where I needed to
learn Excel for the first time. I had never used Excel before and
taught myself the program well enough to surpass the expectations in
my new job. This was possible because I knew how to learn JAWS and
Windows functions and adapt to new software not because a trainer at
one time provided long lists of keyboard sequences for me to use
sometime in the future but because I learned key functions of JAWS,
windows and common applications in addition to Windows shortcuts. My
employer expected me to figure out the software and the accessibility
I needed to do the job, not to turn around and tell them to hire a
trainer to teach me Excel because I only knew Windows.

Kelly

On 1/9/16, Louise Johnson <herclouise@shaw.ca> wrote:
Hi Brian thanks for saying what you said here. I have read all the messages
in this group of emails. We as users learn new things by trying or something
not working at the time. I only wish things didn’t have to change. We learn
the things we use daily. I can do a keyboard command a few times and
remember it always if using within daily use. I can say using something
within our daily life helps us remember it fully.



I will say I don’t mean that we use every command daily but within the short
time.



I have friends who wonder how I remember how to make a new folder in outlook
2013 and don’t even have to think about it.



I can do this also with JAWS keyboard commands. I learn and use it and I
won’t forget. Now only use once a year or twice a year and I do forget.



I don’t remember how to spell but keyboards commands are so easy for me.



I believe learning is easier for some than others. So some can write
wonderfully and some remember keyboard commands and can just do them.



One thing is when learning the commands knowing if computer commands or JAWS
commands. When you can’t see. I learned at first that JAWS had its own key
that you added other keys with. So my trainer helped me that way. She asked
me after learning how to do something what was JAWS commands and the
computer commands so I learned very early the differences and that was very
smart of her.



There isn’t any perfect way to learn and there are so many different ways to
do the same thing. So I take when learning I ask for how people do the same
thing and find the way I like to do it. I keep in my mind when helping
others if they can’t learn my way to show them another way and they learn
that my way is most less keys overall but I still read all emails and see if
there is an faster way to do the same thing.



Louise and princess Kiara





From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Sent: January 9, 2016 6:57 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize
when teaching



Kelly,

You are indeed correct. I hasten to add that I do not, and never
have, attempted to teach any client the exhaustive list of either JAWS
commands or keyboard shortcuts for the Windows programs they're using. As
I pointed out earlier relative to myself, even I don't know anywhere near to
all of these. I let the client's actual needs as I work with them guide
just precisely what gets taught in terms of the weird detailed keyboard
shortcuts that virtually no sighted person ever uses but that they must use
if they wish to independently perform task X.

I'm also big on the "teach a man or woman to fish" approach to
JAWS and Windows, so that when I'm no longer present they are able to do a
reasonable amount of digging and exploration on their own. I do less of
this than I'd actually like to because I often have to focus on a list of
immediate and pressing needs related to what the client needs to accomplish
NOW (or yesterday).

I will take issue with your statement about blind users and the
number of keyboard shortcuts they can manage in their heads. Virtually
every proficient blind computer user I know manages a large number of
keyboard shortcuts in their head, far more than I do teaching them, because
I learn them to teach them, while they learn them to use them and tend to
build upon that list as more and more tasks are required over a period of
years. I'd be shocked if it isn't hundreds, plural, for some of the really,
really proficient.

Brian




Re: Installing Windows 10 on a Del tablet

David Moore
 

Hi,
When I installed win10 fall update 1511 10586 on my HP Stream Tablet, there was not enough memory, so I just hooked up my external storage drive and it then installed great. Maybe that is what she needs to do. Have a great one.
 
 

Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: Installing Windows 10 on a Del tablet
 

Yes sir, Brian.  That's exactly correct.

I don't know if you read my previous message or not, but I bought this tablet before my friend did, and I was able to install Windows 10 on mine with no problem.  Same specs and basically same programs.  I may have had a couple of extra programs on mine, but I was using it with Windows 8.1 for a while before upgrading.  I think I even had music.

My friend's tablet has JAWS, MS Office 2013, and Windows Live mail.

 

I never got the message to "get Windows 10" so I was just going online, and it started out OK, but as you suspected, it said I needed at least 8 gb of memory.

 

Again, what I don't understand (it's a mystery)why was I able to do mine with no problem and hers is giving me the message of not enough memory? 

I hate to tell her I may not be able to help her, but if I can't find a good solution, that may have to be the case.

My Windows 10 installation went flawlessly.

Jim

 

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 4:39 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Installing Windows 10 on a Del tablet

 

Jim,

         How are you attempting to do the upgrade install?  By that I mean through the "Get Windows 10" process that showed up in the system tray where you "reserved" a copy (or are now being nagged) or via external media?

         If the former, you might want to visit the Microsoft Media Creation Tool pages and see what the steps would be to update by creating the installation media on a USB drive and booting from that to do the upgrade.

         I suspect, though, that the issue really is that there is not enough memory needed to complete the installation.  The files, once they're unzipped, probably take somewhere in the double-digits gigs of memory during the install process but are then deleted after it is complete.  From what I can find online there are people who've successfully upgraded this device to Windows 10.

Brian


Re: I have a dream

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

When I hit the jackpot, I'm flying to Cambodia to get married to a Cambodian woman, then pay her to come to the states, pay one of you jaws folks to teach her jaws and learn English.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy [mailto:bwaylimited@verizon.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 1:27 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: I have a dream


Maria, if you win the $900 million lottery drawing tonight, you can buy FS, lock, stock and barrel and run the whole freakin' company yourself as you see fit. LOL!

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Maria Campbell
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 3:43 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: I have a dream

If I win the lotto tonight, I'm going to St. Petersburg to learn JAWS scripting from Freedom Scientific. I will have my own personal trainer, who will give me all the time I need to learn.
Yes, I have a dream.
Big smile.

--

Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
lucky1@ct.metrocast.net

Be patient with God: Be patient with yourself: Be patient with others.


Re: Collapsed Inbox.

Tony
 

The right arrow key should open it for you.

 

Tony

 

 

From: Carolyn Arnold [mailto:4carolyna@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 8:16 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Collapsed Inbox.

 

Does anyone know what to do to control the Inbox and just maintain it?

 

My Inbox, sometimes, says it is collapsed. It has said it was collapsed three weeks ago, now says it was collapsed today. Usually I can exit Outlook and come back in. What in the world is that, why, and what can I do to stop it or fix it, please?

 

Best from,

 

Carolyn

 


Collapsed Inbox.

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Does anyone know what to do to control the Inbox and just maintain it?

 

My Inbox, sometimes, says it is collapsed. It has said it was collapsed three weeks ago, now says it was collapsed today. Usually I can exit Outlook and come back in. What in the world is that, why, and what can I do to stop it or fix it, please?

 

Best from,

 

Carolyn

 


Re: I have a dream

Charles Coe
 

Yes, Dream on.

-----Original Message-----
From: Maria Campbell [mailto:lucky1@ct.metrocast.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 12:44 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: I have a dream

If I win the lotto tonight, I'm going to St. Petersburg to learn JAWS scripting from Freedom Scientific. I will have my own personal trainer, who will give me all the time I need to learn.
Yes, I have a dream.
Big smile.

--

Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
lucky1@ct.metrocast.net

Be patient with God: Be patient with yourself: Be patient with others.


Re: Bit of a Mess

Cindy Ray <cindyray@...>
 

It is Windows 10; but unplugging said device and plugging it back in has caused it to work.

Cindy

 

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 7:19 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Bit of a Mess

 

Cindy,

         What version of Windows are we talking about here?  It sounds suspiciously like Windows 10 behaviors, but I want to be certain before commenting further.

Brian


Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

Louise Johnson <herclouise@...>
 

Hi Brian thanks for saying what you said here. I have read all the messages in this group of emails. We as users learn new things by trying or something not working at the time. I only wish things didn’t have to change. We learn the things we use daily. I can do a keyboard command a few times and remember it always if using within daily use. I can say using something within our daily life helps us remember it fully.

 

I will say I don’t mean that we use every command daily but within the short time.

 

I have friends who wonder how I remember how to make a new folder in outlook 2013 and don’t even have to think about it.

 

I can do this also with JAWS keyboard commands. I learn and use it and I won’t forget. Now only use once a year or twice a year and I do forget.

 

I don’t remember how to spell but keyboards commands are so easy for me.

 

I believe learning is easier for some than others. So some can write wonderfully and some remember keyboard commands and can just do them.

 

One thing is when learning the commands knowing if computer commands or JAWS commands. When you can’t see. I learned at first that JAWS had its own key that you added other keys with. So my trainer helped me that way. She asked me after learning how to do something what was JAWS commands and the computer commands so I learned very early the differences and that was very smart of her.

 

There isn’t any perfect way to learn and there are so many different ways to do the same thing. So I take when learning I ask for how people do the same thing and find the way I like to do it. I keep in my mind when helping others if they can’t learn my way to show them another way and they learn that my way is most less keys overall but I still read all emails and see if there is an faster way to do the same thing.

 

Louise and princess Kiara

 

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: January 9, 2016 6:57 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

 

Kelly,

          You are indeed correct.   I hasten to add that I do not, and never have, attempted to teach any client the exhaustive list of either JAWS commands or keyboard shortcuts for the Windows programs they're using.   As I pointed out earlier relative to myself, even I don't know anywhere near to all of these.  I let the client's actual needs as I work with them guide just precisely what gets taught in terms of the weird detailed keyboard shortcuts that virtually no sighted person ever uses but that they must use if they wish to independently perform task X.

          I'm also big on the "teach a man or woman to fish" approach to JAWS and Windows, so that when I'm no longer present they are able to do a reasonable amount of digging and exploration on their own.  I do less of this than I'd actually like to because I often have to focus on a list of immediate and pressing needs related to what the client needs to accomplish NOW (or yesterday).

          I will take issue with your statement about blind users and the number of keyboard shortcuts they can manage in their heads.  Virtually every proficient blind computer user I know manages a large number of keyboard shortcuts in their head, far more than I do teaching them, because I learn them to teach them, while they learn them to use them and tend to build upon that list as more and more tasks are required over a period of years.  I'd be shocked if it isn't hundreds, plural, for some of the really, really proficient.

Brian


Re: Bit of a Mess

Cindy Ray <cindyray@...>
 

Well, for now seems I fixed it. I unplugged the device from the computer; then I plugged it back in. BRAILLE!

Cindy

 

 

From: Cindy Ray [mailto:cindyray@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 6:57 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Bit of a Mess

 

Well, I have a Brailliant BI40 here. It has characteristically not worked with a Windows Computer, most especially once JAWS 17 came out. But shortly afterwards Humanware came out with their software that has an HID, and they came up with new firmware. I had a driver that was characteristically causing an error message that said it could not be loaded. But then I installed this software and firmware, and WALLA1 worked like a charm … until today.

My computer guy worked to get my Dell command update to update. Now the old driver is trying to install again; the new one does not.

So, should I find the drivers and delete them, and if so where would I look? And/or should I just install this again with the Humanware Tool.

Thanks.

Cindy

 


Re: Bit of a Mess

 

Cindy,

         What version of Windows are we talking about here?  It sounds suspiciously like Windows 10 behaviors, but I want to be certain before commenting further.

Brian


Re: Installing Windows 10 on a Del tablet

 

Jim,

        Well, the most likely answer is that she has a lot more user data on her system, and if this is the case then you are in luck.  You can always get a USB drive or microSD card that's as large, or larger, in its capacity than the whole "hard drive" on this machine.  Copy off all the user data and then delete it from the tablet itself.  Then run the upgrade, which will likely work.  Then copy the user data back on to the device.

        I actually suggest that, whenever possible, if your tablet has an SD or microSD card port that you keep one in there and save all your user data to that rather than to the "hard drive" (which isn't, but you know what I mean).  These days 32GB isn't a heck of a lot of space as far as any OS is concerned.  The microSD card I have in my smartphone is 64GB.

Brian


Bit of a Mess

Cindy Ray <cindyray@...>
 

Well, I have a Brailliant BI40 here. It has characteristically not worked with a Windows Computer, most especially once JAWS 17 came out. But shortly afterwards Humanware came out with their software that has an HID, and they came up with new firmware. I had a driver that was characteristically causing an error message that said it could not be loaded. But then I installed this software and firmware, and WALLA1 worked like a charm … until today.

My computer guy worked to get my Dell command update to update. Now the old driver is trying to install again; the new one does not.

So, should I find the drivers and delete them, and if so where would I look? And/or should I just install this again with the Humanware Tool.

Thanks.

Cindy

 


Re: Outlook 2016 Issue

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Hay, Les, that's right, an oldie but a goody.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Les Kriegler [mailto:kriegler@nycap.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 6:17 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook 2016 Issue

I can still use the keystroke Ctrl-Y which is the Go to Folder command.
I
can then use first letter navigation from there.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold [mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 2:29 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook 2016 Issue

You have to Shift-Tab, then use first-letter navigation to go to folders
in
Outlook.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:07 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook 2016 Issue

I'm not sure if I'm missing something here, but this is how to navigate
into
a folder's message list. go down the list of folders with first-letter
navigation or the down arrow key. Once at the desired folder, press
enter,
then tab to the list.



From: Cindy Ray [mailto:cindyray@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 9:39 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Outlook 2016 Issue



I am using Windows 10, Outlook 2016, and JAWS17. I have set up some
folders,
originally hoping that I could get messages to go there. I never did, but
I
could move things to those folders, thus not having so much in my in-box.
Now I can read the folders, but I can't enter any of them, nor can I
enter
my Spam folder, sent folder-none of them. I was wondering what I ought to
be
checking to see what is wrong. I've heard some messages come in that I
can't
find; I'm not seeing messages from people I know have sent me some. It is
wearing out my patience.

Thanks for your help.

Cindy Lou Ray


Re: Installing Windows 10 on a Del tablet

Jim Portillo
 

Yes sir, Brian.  That's exactly correct.

I don't know if you read my previous message or not, but I bought this tablet before my friend did, and I was able to install Windows 10 on mine with no problem.  Same specs and basically same programs.  I may have had a couple of extra programs on mine, but I was using it with Windows 8.1 for a while before upgrading.  I think I even had music.

My friend's tablet has JAWS, MS Office 2013, and Windows Live mail.

 

I never got the message to "get Windows 10" so I was just going online, and it started out OK, but as you suspected, it said I needed at least 8 gb of memory.

 

Again, what I don't understand (it's a mystery)why was I able to do mine with no problem and hers is giving me the message of not enough memory? 

I hate to tell her I may not be able to help her, but if I can't find a good solution, that may have to be the case.

My Windows 10 installation went flawlessly.

Jim

 

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 4:39 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Installing Windows 10 on a Del tablet

 

Jim,

         How are you attempting to do the upgrade install?  By that I mean through the "Get Windows 10" process that showed up in the system tray where you "reserved" a copy (or are now being nagged) or via external media?

         If the former, you might want to visit the Microsoft Media Creation Tool pages and see what the steps would be to update by creating the installation media on a USB drive and booting from that to do the upgrade.

         I suspect, though, that the issue really is that there is not enough memory needed to complete the installation.  The files, once they're unzipped, probably take somewhere in the double-digits gigs of memory during the install process but are then deleted after it is complete.  From what I can find online there are people who've successfully upgraded this device to Windows 10.

Brian


Re: Installing Windows 10 on a Del tablet

 

Jim,

         How are you attempting to do the upgrade install?  By that I mean through the "Get Windows 10" process that showed up in the system tray where you "reserved" a copy (or are now being nagged) or via external media?

         If the former, you might want to visit the Microsoft Media Creation Tool pages and see what the steps would be to update by creating the installation media on a USB drive and booting from that to do the upgrade.

         I suspect, though, that the issue really is that there is not enough memory needed to complete the installation.  The files, once they're unzipped, probably take somewhere in the double-digits gigs of memory during the install process but are then deleted after it is complete.  From what I can find online there are people who've successfully upgraded this device to Windows 10.

Brian


Re: unsubscribing

Armando Vias <armando.l.vias@...>
 

jfw+unsubscribe@groups.io


Re: I have a dream

 

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 12:44 pm, Maria Campbell wrote:
If I win the lotto tonight, I'm going to St. Petersburg to learn JAWS scripting from Freedom Scientific. I will have my own personal trainer, who will give me all the time I need to learn.

 Maria, what makes you think that you deserve my money?!!! [insert winking smile emoticon here]

Brian


Re: unsubscribing

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

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Hi
How do I unsubscribe from the jfw user group?
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