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moderated Re: GoToMeeting

Walker, Michael E
 

Glenn, doing a proposal is exactly what I will be working on. I try to rely less on others as much as possible. In fact, how to improve accessibility is what I always have in mind for the reasons you mentioned: I do not want to have to bug others for stuff.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

Michael,
Unfortunately this does not fix the problem.
Although you apparently have considerate coworkers, they will think of you as the employee who sometimes needs help, and the more we rely on others in situations like this, the less respect we are given in the workplace.
I recommend that you still do a proposal to your boss for a better solution, which might be best for everyone.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walker, Michael E via Groups.Io"
<michael.e.walker3=boeing.com@groups.io>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting


Ari, I am very fortunate to be on a good team who is helpful, when
things are not accessible. For today's meeting, I wound up dialing in by phone.
My team did the rest of the visuals.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ari
Damoulakis via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

Unfortunately, unless something has changed, GTM is really not usable
with JAWS. I missed an event I wanted to attend because of this. I
couldn't even get into it or hear it.
JAWS just seemed as if it wouldn't interact with the interface at all.
Since it's for your work, this is not a great situation, but let's
hope your colleagues will be understanding and make some sort of
adjustment for you.
Ari

On 2/20/20, Richard Turner via Groups.Io
<richardturner42=outlook.com@groups.io> wrote:
When my agency discovered that the cost was pretty much the same with
Zoom Meeting as it was with Go To Meeting, they switched fairly quickly.
I'd find out what their cost is for how many people, and then get the
price from Zoom Meeting and submit a request.
Even if it were a few dollars more, the fact that it does everything
better than other platforms, even for the sighted, they may decide to
switch"
It certainly will not be a "hardship" for them to do it, since Zoom
Meeting is so bloody simple.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch
with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by
Jane Wagner


On Feb 20, 2020, at 10:05 AM, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...>
wrote:


I think all employers are always worried that a minority or disabled
employee may file a complaint on such things, so even though you
might not ever do such a thing, I think going to the boss and
offering a better solution would give them reason to switch.
And your boss should let "go to meeting" know that they switched for
reasons of lack of accessibility.
That is the sort of information that will cause software creators to
consider accessibility from the start.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Walker, Michael E<mailto:michael.e.walker3@...>
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

In practice, how hard is it to get an employer to switch to something
more accessible? I get answers a lot on mailing lists that just say
use something else when something is inaccessible, but you have the
problem of being in the minority if you are blind.

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Don
Mauck
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

Absolutely agree with you. Zoom if your company will do it is by far
the best. Beets WebEx as well.

From: Richard Turner
<richardturner42@...<mailto:richardturner42@...>>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

my agency used to use Go To Meeting. But, they discovered that Zoom
Meeting was about the same price and completely accessible on any
operating system.
I'd encourage your boss to seriously consider Zoom Meeting.
All of the sighted employees like it better as well.



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch
with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by
Jane Wagner


On Feb 20, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Milton Ota
<mota1252@...<mailto:mota1252@...>> wrote:

Hi,
If the Administrator of the conference has enabled you to join the
meeting via a regular phone or the app on an iDevice, your should be
able to join the conference using the meeting ID.

Using the app on an iPhone is very accessible. You will be able to
see who has join the meeting and if they want to all see you when you
talk, you need to have your camera enabled and screen curtin turned
off. You might also want to turn Do Not Disturbed Mode On.

HTH!


From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Walker,
Michael E
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 8:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io<mailto:jfw@groups.io>
Subject: GoToMeeting

Hi,

I need to join an online meeting for work. It is hosted using
GoToMeeting.
GoToMeeting’s customer service said they do not have any information
on using it with JAWS 2019. There was no information on GoToMeeting’s
website either. Have you ever used it? How well does it work?

Thank you,
Mike










moderated Re: GoToMeeting

Glenn / Lenny
 

Michael,
Unfortunately this does not fix the problem.
Although you apparently have considerate coworkers, they will think of you
as the employee who sometimes needs help, and the more we rely on others in
situations like this, the less respect we are given in the workplace.
I recommend that you still do a proposal to your boss for a better solution,
which might be best for everyone.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walker, Michael E via Groups.Io"
<michael.e.walker3=boeing.com@groups.io>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting


Ari, I am very fortunate to be on a good team who is helpful, when things
are not accessible. For today's meeting, I wound up dialing in by phone.
My team did the rest of the visuals.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ari Damoulakis
via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

Unfortunately, unless something has changed, GTM is really not usable with
JAWS. I missed an event I wanted to attend because of this. I couldn't
even get into it or hear it.
JAWS just seemed as if it wouldn't interact with the interface at all.
Since it's for your work, this is not a great situation, but let's hope
your colleagues will be understanding and make some sort of adjustment for
you.
Ari

On 2/20/20, Richard Turner via Groups.Io
<richardturner42=outlook.com@groups.io> wrote:
When my agency discovered that the cost was pretty much the same with
Zoom Meeting as it was with Go To Meeting, they switched fairly quickly.
I'd find out what their cost is for how many people, and then get the
price from Zoom Meeting and submit a request.
Even if it were a few dollars more, the fact that it does everything
better than other platforms, even for the sighted, they may decide to
switch"
It certainly will not be a "hardship" for them to do it, since Zoom
Meeting is so bloody simple.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch
with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by
Jane Wagner


On Feb 20, 2020, at 10:05 AM, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...>
wrote:


I think all employers are always worried that a minority or disabled
employee may file a complaint on such things, so even though you might
not ever do such a thing, I think going to the boss and offering a
better solution would give them reason to switch.
And your boss should let "go to meeting" know that they switched for
reasons of lack of accessibility.
That is the sort of information that will cause software creators to
consider accessibility from the start.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Walker, Michael E<mailto:michael.e.walker3@...>
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

In practice, how hard is it to get an employer to switch to something
more accessible? I get answers a lot on mailing lists that just say
use something else when something is inaccessible, but you have the
problem of being in the minority if you are blind.

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

Absolutely agree with you. Zoom if your company will do it is by far
the best. Beets WebEx as well.

From: Richard Turner
<richardturner42@...<mailto:richardturner42@...>>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

my agency used to use Go To Meeting. But, they discovered that Zoom
Meeting was about the same price and completely accessible on any
operating system.
I'd encourage your boss to seriously consider Zoom Meeting.
All of the sighted employees like it better as well.



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch
with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by
Jane Wagner


On Feb 20, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Milton Ota
<mota1252@...<mailto:mota1252@...>> wrote:

Hi,
If the Administrator of the conference has enabled you to join the
meeting via a regular phone or the app on an iDevice, your should be
able to join the conference using the meeting ID.

Using the app on an iPhone is very accessible. You will be able to see
who has join the meeting and if they want to all see you when you
talk, you need to have your camera enabled and screen curtin turned
off. You might also want to turn Do Not Disturbed Mode On.

HTH!


From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Walker,
Michael E
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 8:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io<mailto:jfw@groups.io>
Subject: GoToMeeting

Hi,

I need to join an online meeting for work. It is hosted using
GoToMeeting.
GoToMeeting’s customer service said they do not have any information
on using it with JAWS 2019. There was no information on GoToMeeting’s
website either. Have you ever used it? How well does it work?

Thank you,
Mike









moderated Re: GoToMeeting

Walker, Michael E
 

Ari, I am very fortunate to be on a good team who is helpful, when things are not accessible. For today's meeting, I wound up dialing in by phone. My team did the rest of the visuals.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ari Damoulakis via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

Unfortunately, unless something has changed, GTM is really not usable with JAWS. I missed an event I wanted to attend because of this. I couldn't even get into it or hear it.
JAWS just seemed as if it wouldn't interact with the interface at all.
Since it's for your work, this is not a great situation, but let's hope your colleagues will be understanding and make some sort of adjustment for you.
Ari

On 2/20/20, Richard Turner via Groups.Io <richardturner42=outlook.com@groups.io> wrote:
When my agency discovered that the cost was pretty much the same with
Zoom Meeting as it was with Go To Meeting, they switched fairly quickly.
I'd find out what their cost is for how many people, and then get the
price from Zoom Meeting and submit a request.
Even if it were a few dollars more, the fact that it does everything
better than other platforms, even for the sighted, they may decide to switch"
It certainly will not be a "hardship" for them to do it, since Zoom
Meeting is so bloody simple.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch
with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by
Jane Wagner


On Feb 20, 2020, at 10:05 AM, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...>
wrote:


I think all employers are always worried that a minority or disabled
employee may file a complaint on such things, so even though you might
not ever do such a thing, I think going to the boss and offering a
better solution would give them reason to switch.
And your boss should let "go to meeting" know that they switched for
reasons of lack of accessibility.
That is the sort of information that will cause software creators to
consider accessibility from the start.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Walker, Michael E<mailto:michael.e.walker3@...>
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

In practice, how hard is it to get an employer to switch to something
more accessible? I get answers a lot on mailing lists that just say
use something else when something is inaccessible, but you have the
problem of being in the minority if you are blind.

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

Absolutely agree with you. Zoom if your company will do it is by far
the best. Beets WebEx as well.

From: Richard Turner
<richardturner42@...<mailto:richardturner42@...>>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

my agency used to use Go To Meeting. But, they discovered that Zoom
Meeting was about the same price and completely accessible on any operating system.
I'd encourage your boss to seriously consider Zoom Meeting.
All of the sighted employees like it better as well.



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch
with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by
Jane Wagner


On Feb 20, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Milton Ota
<mota1252@...<mailto:mota1252@...>> wrote:

Hi,
If the Administrator of the conference has enabled you to join the
meeting via a regular phone or the app on an iDevice, your should be
able to join the conference using the meeting ID.

Using the app on an iPhone is very accessible. You will be able to see
who has join the meeting and if they want to all see you when you
talk, you need to have your camera enabled and screen curtin turned
off. You might also want to turn Do Not Disturbed Mode On.

HTH!


From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Walker,
Michael E
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 8:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io<mailto:jfw@groups.io>
Subject: GoToMeeting

Hi,

I need to join an online meeting for work. It is hosted using GoToMeeting.
GoToMeeting’s customer service said they do not have any information
on using it with JAWS 2019. There was no information on GoToMeeting’s
website either. Have you ever used it? How well does it work?

Thank you,
Mike





moderated Re: Dectalk software speech or its successor?

Randy Barnett
 

The Access 32 is a 32bit software version of DeckTalk. The link I gave proposed to have it. I am happy wi9th my synth or I would look into it further.

On 2/20/2020 7:10 AM, Chris Hill wrote:
I was really hoping to find something software based that would work on a modern computer.  If there is such a thing,they aren't advertising it very well.  My best chance may be to find a working dec express.  I used to have one and liked it a lot.



On 2/20/2020 00:01, Adrian Spratt wrote:
Chris, be sure to avoid Dectalk USB, which purports to sound like Dectalk Express but which, sadly, doesn’t.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Dectalk software speech or its successor?

Interesting, thanks.


CH


On 2/19/2020 21:58, Randy Barnett wrote:
Search for dectalk access32-

One site i found:

http://mcspartners.ning.com/profiles/blogs/dectalk-access32-v4-6-speec
h-engine-crack




On 2/19/2020 7:43 PM, Chris Hill wrote:
Does anyone know of speech that sounds like that available for use
with Jaws?  I find a company when I search, but I don't find much on
how it works.  I'd probably even pay a bit of money to get that voice
again if it was available.








moderated Re: GoToMeeting

Ari Damoulakis
 

Unfortunately, unless something has changed, GTM is really not usable
with JAWS. I missed an event I wanted to attend because of this. I
couldn't even get into it or hear it.
JAWS just seemed as if it wouldn't interact with the interface at all.
Since it's for your work, this is not a great situation, but let's
hope your colleagues will be understanding and make some sort of
adjustment for you.
Ari

On 2/20/20, Richard Turner via Groups.Io
<richardturner42=outlook.com@groups.io> wrote:
When my agency discovered that the cost was pretty much the same with Zoom
Meeting as it was with Go To Meeting, they switched fairly quickly.
I'd find out what their cost is for how many people, and then get the price
from Zoom Meeting and submit a request.
Even if it were a few dollars more, the fact that it does everything better
than other platforms, even for the sighted, they may decide to switch"
It certainly will not be a "hardship" for them to do it, since Zoom Meeting
is so bloody simple.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane
Wagner


On Feb 20, 2020, at 10:05 AM, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...>
wrote:


I think all employers are always worried that a minority or disabled
employee may file a complaint on such things, so even though you might not
ever do such a thing, I think going to the boss and offering a better
solution would give them reason to switch.
And your boss should let "go to meeting" know that they switched for reasons
of lack of accessibility.
That is the sort of information that will cause software creators to
consider accessibility from the start.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Walker, Michael E<mailto:michael.e.walker3@...>
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

In practice, how hard is it to get an employer to switch to something more
accessible? I get answers a lot on mailing lists that just say use something
else when something is inaccessible, but you have the problem of being in
the minority if you are blind.

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

Absolutely agree with you. Zoom if your company will do it is by far the
best. Beets WebEx as well.

From: Richard Turner
<richardturner42@...<mailto:richardturner42@...>>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

my agency used to use Go To Meeting. But, they discovered that Zoom Meeting
was about the same price and completely accessible on any operating system.
I'd encourage your boss to seriously consider Zoom Meeting.
All of the sighted employees like it better as well.



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane
Wagner


On Feb 20, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Milton Ota
<mota1252@...<mailto:mota1252@...>> wrote:

Hi,
If the Administrator of the conference has enabled you to join the meeting
via a regular phone or the app on an iDevice, your should be able to join
the conference using the meeting ID.

Using the app on an iPhone is very accessible. You will be able to see who
has join the meeting and if they want to all see you when you talk, you need
to have your camera enabled and screen curtin turned off. You might also
want to turn Do Not Disturbed Mode On.

HTH!


From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Walker, Michael
E
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 8:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io<mailto:jfw@groups.io>
Subject: GoToMeeting

Hi,

I need to join an online meeting for work. It is hosted using GoToMeeting.
GoToMeeting’s customer service said they do not have any information on
using it with JAWS 2019. There was no information on GoToMeeting’s website
either. Have you ever used it? How well does it work?

Thank you,
Mike





moderated Re: GoToMeeting

Richard Turner
 

When my agency discovered that the cost was pretty much the same with Zoom Meeting as it was with Go To Meeting, they switched fairly quickly.
I'd find out what their cost is for how many people, and then get the price from Zoom Meeting and submit a request.
Even if it were a few dollars more, the fact that it does everything better than other platforms, even for the sighted, they may decide to switch"
It certainly will not be a "hardship" for them to do it, since Zoom Meeting is so bloody simple.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner


On Feb 20, 2020, at 10:05 AM, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:


I think all employers are always worried that a minority or disabled employee may file a complaint on such things, so even though you might not ever do such a thing, I think going to the boss and offering a better solution would give them reason to switch.
And your boss should let "go to meeting" know that they switched for reasons of lack of accessibility.
That is the sort of information that will cause software creators to consider accessibility from the start.
 
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

In practice, how hard is it to get an employer to switch to something more accessible? I get answers a lot on mailing lists that just say use something else when something is inaccessible, but you have the problem of being in the minority if you are blind.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

 

Absolutely agree with you. Zoom if your company will do it is by far the best. Beets WebEx as well.

 

From: Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

 

my agency used to use Go To Meeting. But, they discovered that Zoom Meeting was about the same price and completely accessible on any operating system.

I'd encourage your boss to seriously consider Zoom Meeting.

All of the sighted employees like it better as well.

 

 

 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 

-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner

 

 

On Feb 20, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Milton Ota <mota1252@...> wrote:



Hi,

If the Administrator of the conference has enabled you to join the meeting via a regular phone or the app on an iDevice, your should be able to join the conference using the meeting ID.

 

Using the app on an iPhone is very accessible. You will be able to see who has join the meeting and if they want to all see you when you talk, you need to have your camera enabled and screen curtin turned off. You might also want to turn Do Not Disturbed Mode On.

 

HTH!

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 8:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: GoToMeeting

 

Hi,

 

I need to join an online meeting for work. It is hosted using GoToMeeting. GoToMeeting’s customer service said they do not have any information on using it with JAWS 2019. There was no information on GoToMeeting’s website either. Have you ever used it? How well does it work?

 

Thank you,

Mike

 

moderated Re: Email Software Suggestions

Robbie Curtis
 

Now today it seems to want to work, but I guarantee the problem will occur again.


I will try reinstalling to see if that solves the problem.

On 2/19/2020 4:12 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
I use google, apple and outlook servers with TB and this is not an issue for me. The one time Had your issue it was with an very old bacbell.net e-mail that was not being supported any more. So have you tried reinstalling TB It is easy and painless. Also you have to enable less secure apps in Google and use two factor authorization with app specific passwords with apple.

On 2/19/2020 10:51 AM, Robbie Curtis wrote:
Hey Everybody,

The issue I'm having with Tb is that it keeps giving me an error message that my password was sent unsuccessfully to the server. It seems to do this when I check email on my Iphone and then come back to the computer later to get what I need. Usually I can reboot the computer and it will let me through to receive emails. However as of today, it's not working.

Now my friend has been having this problem for a while and has consulted with her ISP to see if it was something on their end. She has changed her password many times and the problem persists.

For the most part I am very patient when it comes to technology but Tb is working my nerves right now.

Thanks for your suggestions and if you have anymore I would gladly take them under advisement.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 8:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Email Software Suggestions

That's a very general statement, making it hard to thelp you decide on something different. What's causing Thunderbird to get on your nerves?
In other words, what features do you not like, or find missing, or don't work as expected?


On 2/18/2020 11:08 PM, Robbie Curtis wrote:
Hey Everybody,


I am currently using Thunderbird as my email software and lately it's
been getting on my nerves. So, which email software do you all
recommend? I am currently using Windows 8.1 and JAWS 2018. Thanks.




--
Robbie J. Curtis
essence64@...
"Stay in peace, not pieces!"

moderated Re: GoToMeeting

Glenn / Lenny
 


I think all employers are always worried that a minority or disabled employee may file a complaint on such things, so even though you might not ever do such a thing, I think going to the boss and offering a better solution would give them reason to switch.
And your boss should let "go to meeting" know that they switched for reasons of lack of accessibility.
That is the sort of information that will cause software creators to consider accessibility from the start.
 
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

In practice, how hard is it to get an employer to switch to something more accessible? I get answers a lot on mailing lists that just say use something else when something is inaccessible, but you have the problem of being in the minority if you are blind.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

 

Absolutely agree with you. Zoom if your company will do it is by far the best. Beets WebEx as well.

 

From: Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

 

my agency used to use Go To Meeting. But, they discovered that Zoom Meeting was about the same price and completely accessible on any operating system.

I'd encourage your boss to seriously consider Zoom Meeting.

All of the sighted employees like it better as well.

 

 

 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 

-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner

 

 

On Feb 20, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Milton Ota <mota1252@...> wrote:



Hi,

If the Administrator of the conference has enabled you to join the meeting via a regular phone or the app on an iDevice, your should be able to join the conference using the meeting ID.

 

Using the app on an iPhone is very accessible. You will be able to see who has join the meeting and if they want to all see you when you talk, you need to have your camera enabled and screen curtin turned off. You might also want to turn Do Not Disturbed Mode On.

 

HTH!

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 8:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: GoToMeeting

 

Hi,

 

I need to join an online meeting for work. It is hosted using GoToMeeting. GoToMeeting’s customer service said they do not have any information on using it with JAWS 2019. There was no information on GoToMeeting’s website either. Have you ever used it? How well does it work?

 

Thank you,

Mike

 

moderated Re: Dectalk software speech or its successor?

Glenn / Lenny
 

NVDA uses an add-in that provides the Dectalk voices.
If you can find where the voices come from, perhaps you can get them for
Jaws as well.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Hill" <hillco@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: Dectalk software speech or its successor?


I was really hoping to find something software based that would work on a
modern computer. If there is such a thing,they aren't advertising it very
well. My best chance may be to find a working dec express. I used to have
one and liked it a lot.



On 2/20/2020 00:01, Adrian Spratt wrote:
Chris, be sure to avoid Dectalk USB, which purports to sound like Dectalk
Express but which, sadly, doesn’t.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Dectalk software speech or its successor?

Interesting, thanks.


CH


On 2/19/2020 21:58, Randy Barnett wrote:
Search for dectalk access32-

One site i found:

http://mcspartners.ning.com/profiles/blogs/dectalk-access32-v4-6-speec
h-engine-crack




On 2/19/2020 7:43 PM, Chris Hill wrote:
Does anyone know of speech that sounds like that available for use
with Jaws? I find a company when I search, but I don't find much on
how it works. I'd probably even pay a bit of money to get that voice
again if it was available.







moderated Re: GoToMeeting

Walker, Michael E
 

Hi David,

 

We have the ADA which states that companies are expected to use accessible IT, however, where I am, it seems that falls through the cracks. I am not sure if that is related to the undue hardship clauses in state and national laws. For my use case, screen sharing is all I would need. My company’s standards are WebEx and Skype for Business. Screen sharing on both of those is accessible enough for me to be able to show when I am logging into a terminal session over SSH with PuTTY, or anything else presented on my computer screen. The question would come down to if the vendor we are working with could change to using Skype for Business or WebEx from GoToMeeting.

 

Mike

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

 

 

I was doing some work with West Ham and they tried to use go To Meeting which was totally inaccessible.

In the end they just switched to using Team Viewer as an accessible form of screen sharing was what we wanted to do.

 

If an application is inaccessible resolving this is not always immediate.

The pressure and censure for inaccessibility should however never fall upon the disabled  user who is a victim of careless code which has been inaccessibly implemented without regard for inclusion.

In the UK at least in working with the Public Sector companies are expected to work to a higher standard than this – is this not still the case where you are?

 

David Griffith

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: 20 February 2020 16:51
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

 

In practice, how hard is it to get an employer to switch to something more accessible? I get answers a lot on mailing lists that just say use something else when something is inaccessible, but you have the problem of being in the minority if you are blind.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

 

Absolutely agree with you. Zoom if your company will do it is by far the best. Beets WebEx as well.

 

From: Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

 

my agency used to use Go To Meeting. But, they discovered that Zoom Meeting was about the same price and completely accessible on any operating system.

I'd encourage your boss to seriously consider Zoom Meeting.

All of the sighted employees like it better as well.

 

 

 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 

-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner

 

 

On Feb 20, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Milton Ota <mota1252@...> wrote:



Hi,

If the Administrator of the conference has enabled you to join the meeting via a regular phone or the app on an iDevice, your should be able to join the conference using the meeting ID.

 

Using the app on an iPhone is very accessible. You will be able to see who has join the meeting and if they want to all see you when you talk, you need to have your camera enabled and screen curtin turned off. You might also want to turn Do Not Disturbed Mode On.

 

HTH!

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 8:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: GoToMeeting

 

Hi,

 

I need to join an online meeting for work. It is hosted using GoToMeeting. GoToMeeting’s customer service said they do not have any information on using it with JAWS 2019. There was no information on GoToMeeting’s website either. Have you ever used it? How well does it work?

 

Thank you,

Mike

 

moderated Re: GoToMeeting

David Griffith
 

 

I was doing some work with West Ham and they tried to use go To Meeting which was totally inaccessible.

In the end they just switched to using Team Viewer as an accessible form of screen sharing was what we wanted to do.

 

If an application is inaccessible resolving this is not always immediate.

The pressure and censure for inaccessibility should however never fall upon the disabled  user who is a victim of careless code which has been inaccessibly implemented without regard for inclusion.

In the UK at least in working with the Public Sector companies are expected to work to a higher standard than this – is this not still the case where you are?

 

David Griffith

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: 20 February 2020 16:51
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

 

In practice, how hard is it to get an employer to switch to something more accessible? I get answers a lot on mailing lists that just say use something else when something is inaccessible, but you have the problem of being in the minority if you are blind.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

 

Absolutely agree with you. Zoom if your company will do it is by far the best. Beets WebEx as well.

 

From: Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

 

my agency used to use Go To Meeting. But, they discovered that Zoom Meeting was about the same price and completely accessible on any operating system.

I'd encourage your boss to seriously consider Zoom Meeting.

All of the sighted employees like it better as well.

 

 

 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 

-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner

 

 

On Feb 20, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Milton Ota <mota1252@...> wrote:



Hi,

If the Administrator of the conference has enabled you to join the meeting via a regular phone or the app on an iDevice, your should be able to join the conference using the meeting ID.

 

Using the app on an iPhone is very accessible. You will be able to see who has join the meeting and if they want to all see you when you talk, you need to have your camera enabled and screen curtin turned off. You might also want to turn Do Not Disturbed Mode On.

 

HTH!

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 8:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: GoToMeeting

 

Hi,

 

I need to join an online meeting for work. It is hosted using GoToMeeting. GoToMeeting’s customer service said they do not have any information on using it with JAWS 2019. There was no information on GoToMeeting’s website either. Have you ever used it? How well does it work?

 

Thank you,

Mike

 

moderated Re: GoToMeeting

Jschliff@...
 

My take, nothing ventured nothing gained!  You have nothing to lose by asking!  Zoom is competitive if there is pricing and it’s just another tool to share screens and conference!  In fact, greater functionality!  It really should not matter to your supervisor as it is nominal fee!

 

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

 

In practice, how hard is it to get an employer to switch to something more accessible? I get answers a lot on mailing lists that just say use something else when something is inaccessible, but you have the problem of being in the minority if you are blind.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

 

Absolutely agree with you. Zoom if your company will do it is by far the best. Beets WebEx as well.

 

From: Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

 

my agency used to use Go To Meeting. But, they discovered that Zoom Meeting was about the same price and completely accessible on any operating system.

I'd encourage your boss to seriously consider Zoom Meeting.

All of the sighted employees like it better as well.

 

 

 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 

-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner

 

 

On Feb 20, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Milton Ota <mota1252@...> wrote:



Hi,

If the Administrator of the conference has enabled you to join the meeting via a regular phone or the app on an iDevice, your should be able to join the conference using the meeting ID.

 

Using the app on an iPhone is very accessible. You will be able to see who has join the meeting and if they want to all see you when you talk, you need to have your camera enabled and screen curtin turned off. You might also want to turn Do Not Disturbed Mode On.

 

HTH!

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 8:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: GoToMeeting

 

Hi,

 

I need to join an online meeting for work. It is hosted using GoToMeeting. GoToMeeting’s customer service said they do not have any information on using it with JAWS 2019. There was no information on GoToMeeting’s website either. Have you ever used it? How well does it work?

 

Thank you,

Mike

 

moderated Re: GoToMeeting

Walker, Michael E
 

In practice, how hard is it to get an employer to switch to something more accessible? I get answers a lot on mailing lists that just say use something else when something is inaccessible, but you have the problem of being in the minority if you are blind.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

 

Absolutely agree with you. Zoom if your company will do it is by far the best. Beets WebEx as well.

 

From: Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

 

my agency used to use Go To Meeting. But, they discovered that Zoom Meeting was about the same price and completely accessible on any operating system.

I'd encourage your boss to seriously consider Zoom Meeting.

All of the sighted employees like it better as well.

 

 

 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 

-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner

 

 

On Feb 20, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Milton Ota <mota1252@...> wrote:



Hi,

If the Administrator of the conference has enabled you to join the meeting via a regular phone or the app on an iDevice, your should be able to join the conference using the meeting ID.

 

Using the app on an iPhone is very accessible. You will be able to see who has join the meeting and if they want to all see you when you talk, you need to have your camera enabled and screen curtin turned off. You might also want to turn Do Not Disturbed Mode On.

 

HTH!

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 8:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: GoToMeeting

 

Hi,

 

I need to join an online meeting for work. It is hosted using GoToMeeting. GoToMeeting’s customer service said they do not have any information on using it with JAWS 2019. There was no information on GoToMeeting’s website either. Have you ever used it? How well does it work?

 

Thank you,

Mike

 

moderated Re: GoToMeeting

Don Mauck
 

Absolutely agree with you. Zoom if your company will do it is by far the best. Beets WebEx as well.

 

From: Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

 

my agency used to use Go To Meeting. But, they discovered that Zoom Meeting was about the same price and completely accessible on any operating system.

I'd encourage your boss to seriously consider Zoom Meeting.

All of the sighted employees like it better as well.

 

 

 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 

-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner

 



On Feb 20, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Milton Ota <mota1252@...> wrote:



Hi,

If the Administrator of the conference has enabled you to join the meeting via a regular phone or the app on an iDevice, your should be able to join the conference using the meeting ID.

 

Using the app on an iPhone is very accessible. You will be able to see who has join the meeting and if they want to all see you when you talk, you need to have your camera enabled and screen curtin turned off. You might also want to turn Do Not Disturbed Mode On.

 

HTH!

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 8:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: GoToMeeting

 

Hi,

 

I need to join an online meeting for work. It is hosted using GoToMeeting. GoToMeeting’s customer service said they do not have any information on using it with JAWS 2019. There was no information on GoToMeeting’s website either. Have you ever used it? How well does it work?

 

Thank you,

Mike

 

moderated Re: GoToMeeting

Richard Turner
 

my agency used to use Go To Meeting. But, they discovered that Zoom Meeting was about the same price and completely accessible on any operating system.
I'd encourage your boss to seriously consider Zoom Meeting.
All of the sighted employees like it better as well.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner


On Feb 20, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Milton Ota <mota1252@...> wrote:



Hi,

If the Administrator of the conference has enabled you to join the meeting via a regular phone or the app on an iDevice, your should be able to join the conference using the meeting ID.

 

Using the app on an iPhone is very accessible. You will be able to see who has join the meeting and if they want to all see you when you talk, you need to have your camera enabled and screen curtin turned off. You might also want to turn Do Not Disturbed Mode On.

 

HTH!

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 8:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: GoToMeeting

 

Hi,

 

I need to join an online meeting for work. It is hosted using GoToMeeting. GoToMeeting’s customer service said they do not have any information on using it with JAWS 2019. There was no information on GoToMeeting’s website either. Have you ever used it? How well does it work?

 

Thank you,

Mike

 

moderated Re: GoToMeeting

Walker, Michael E
 

Thank you, but I need to be able to join from my PC with a screen reader, so I can share my screen during troubleshooting sessions, as part of my job in IT. We do things like log into servers and look at log files. I need to be able to show what I am doing over the conference.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: GoToMeeting

 

Hi,

If the Administrator of the conference has enabled you to join the meeting via a regular phone or the app on an iDevice, your should be able to join the conference using the meeting ID.

 

Using the app on an iPhone is very accessible. You will be able to see who has join the meeting and if they want to all see you when you talk, you need to have your camera enabled and screen curtin turned off. You might also want to turn Do Not Disturbed Mode On.

 

HTH!

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 8:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: GoToMeeting

 

Hi,

 

I need to join an online meeting for work. It is hosted using GoToMeeting. GoToMeeting’s customer service said they do not have any information on using it with JAWS 2019. There was no information on GoToMeeting’s website either. Have you ever used it? How well does it work?

 

Thank you,

Mike

 

moderated Re: GoToMeeting

Milton Ota
 

Hi,

If the Administrator of the conference has enabled you to join the meeting via a regular phone or the app on an iDevice, your should be able to join the conference using the meeting ID.

 

Using the app on an iPhone is very accessible. You will be able to see who has join the meeting and if they want to all see you when you talk, you need to have your camera enabled and screen curtin turned off. You might also want to turn Do Not Disturbed Mode On.

 

HTH!

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 8:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: GoToMeeting

 

Hi,

 

I need to join an online meeting for work. It is hosted using GoToMeeting. GoToMeeting’s customer service said they do not have any information on using it with JAWS 2019. There was no information on GoToMeeting’s website either. Have you ever used it? How well does it work?

 

Thank you,

Mike

 

moderated Re: Dectalk software speech or its successor?

Pastor Gil Pries
 

Hi Chris,
I'm using the DECtalk USB and like it alot.

Pastor Gil

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 7:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Dectalk software speech or its successor?

I was really hoping to find something software based that would work on a modern computer. If there is such a thing,they aren't advertising it very well. My best chance may be to find a working dec express. I used to have one and liked it a lot.



On 2/20/2020 00:01, Adrian Spratt wrote:
Chris, be sure to avoid Dectalk USB, which purports to sound like Dectalk Express but which, sadly, doesn’t.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Dectalk software speech or its successor?

Interesting, thanks.


CH


On 2/19/2020 21:58, Randy Barnett wrote:
Search for dectalk access32-

One site i found:

http://mcspartners.ning.com/profiles/blogs/dectalk-access32-v4-6-spee
c
h-engine-crack




On 2/19/2020 7:43 PM, Chris Hill wrote:
Does anyone know of speech that sounds like that available for use
with Jaws? I find a company when I search, but I don't find much on
how it works. I'd probably even pay a bit of money to get that
voice again if it was available.








moderated Re: Dectalk software speech or its successor?

Chris Hill
 

I was really hoping to find something software based that would work on a modern computer.  If there is such a thing,they aren't advertising it very well.  My best chance may be to find a working dec express.  I used to have one and liked it a lot.

On 2/20/2020 00:01, Adrian Spratt wrote:
Chris, be sure to avoid Dectalk USB, which purports to sound like Dectalk Express but which, sadly, doesn’t.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Dectalk software speech or its successor?

Interesting, thanks.


CH


On 2/19/2020 21:58, Randy Barnett wrote:
Search for dectalk access32-

One site i found:

http://mcspartners.ning.com/profiles/blogs/dectalk-access32-v4-6-speec
h-engine-crack




On 2/19/2020 7:43 PM, Chris Hill wrote:
Does anyone know of speech that sounds like that available for use
with Jaws?  I find a company when I search, but I don't find much on
how it works.  I'd probably even pay a bit of money to get that voice
again if it was available.







moderated Re: GoToMeeting

curtis jackson
 

I could not get it to work with jaws so I used my iOS device


On Feb 20, 2020, at 8:45 AM, Walker, Michael E <michael.e.walker3@...> wrote:



Hi,

 

I need to join an online meeting for work. It is hosted using GoToMeeting. GoToMeeting’s customer service said they do not have any information on using it with JAWS 2019. There was no information on GoToMeeting’s website either. Have you ever used it? How well does it work?

 

Thank you,

Mike