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moderated Re: Basic Windows 10 Question

Chris
 

Its now called This PC type it into search to find it

 

 

From: Mark Arnold ABG
Sent: 20 November 2020 15:22
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Basic Windows 10 Question

 

List,

 

How do I see the list of drives on a Windows 10 operating system?  In Windows 7, I opened up “Computer” and found the list of drives i.e. removable drives etc.  Thanks in advance-

Mark

 

 


moderated Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Addison. Yes, it is supposed to say closed. To open the category in Task Manager, press the Right Arrow, and you may find several tasks under this one category. It says "Closed" in the same manner as when you are exploring the Files and Folders tree under Windows Explorer. It is not saying that the program is closed, it is saying that the entry for that item is closed and must be expanded with the Right Arrow.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi All I have jaws2020  and desktop computer Window10  !! When I press ctrl + shift + esc  to task manager   when task manager window page opens then I arrow down through the items  when I hear it’s say application for jaws  closed ,google chrome  closed ,firefox closed,microsoft edge closed and microsoft outlook closed  and others closed  !! Does task manager supposed to have all the items saying closed ? Because  when I was using google chrome  with  m.facebook.com  have the page opens for about 15 or 30 minute  later when I come back on computer  I was on google chrome  page with m.facebook.com I press F5 to fresh the page somehow  it won’t fresh the page so I press alt  F4 to close out the page  it won’t close out the google chrome  m.facebook.com  so it got stuck  so I went to task manager  then I arrow down to google chrome closed  then I press tab key it say detail  then press tab key again it say task  button I press enter  then I press alt –F4 to close out task manager  then it was on google chrome m.facebook.com profile  I press alt – F4 to close out the page but it won’t close out google chrome  !! Does anyone have any idea what I can do to task manager to say google chrome  without saying close ? Do anyone of you went you go to task manager  ,does all of your items say close ?

Addison

 


moderated am I losing my mind or is we coding really that different by browser?

Van Lant, Robin
 

I feel like I’m losing my mind – maybe because I’m hitting my head on the wall.  On my work computer, my primary browser s Chrome.  I just got an upgrade to the chromium Edge, so I’ll try that soon, but assume it’s similar to Chrome.  I also still have IE 11.  I’ve noticed with two different web applications that JAWS voices the same page quite differently in when I use Chrome versus IE.  I feel stuck on doing what I need to do.  Here are a couple examples.  I’d really like to understand from some of you web developer/accessibility people what is going on.

 

Running Windows 10, JAWS 2020 (soon to be 2021). 

 

Our time keeping system is not great with JAWS.  The company says it works with NVDA & Firefox, neither of which I have on this laptop and if you use what they call listview instead of the more intuitive table view that  my colleagues use.  If I use IE 11, I can arrow down through this  listview and it reads a button for each date in my pay period, followed by a button where I can code whether I took a vacation day or such.  This format makes some sense.  If I click the button for pay code, it seems to open a small dialog  associated to the corresponding date where is shows each type of code an the number of hours, such as 8 hours of vacation. 

Because I’m having some issues with the menu to pick a code type, I thought I’d go try it in Chrome.  In Chrome, the same page reads very differently.  Arrowing down through the page only has one option for each day of the pay period and JAWS says its’ a menu.  I have yet to figure out how to access this menu, as all my normal tricks aren’t working.  I’ll likely call AIRA for visual help as a temporary work around.

 

On SharePoint sites we use internally, There are tabs at the top that bring up different ribbons of buttons for editing and working with pages.  In IE, these tabs JAWS sees as Links and will bring up in the links list, then I can use B to move to each button.  In Chrome, these tab labels do not come up as links and I have to find them in other ways that are more clunky and seems to trigger Forms mode. 

 

Is this expected?  I’m surprised that the same elements on a page would be rendered so differently in different browsers.  I’m really trying to embrace Chrome, but find some web coding more clunky and in the case of my time keeping system, not seemingly accessible.  Would Firefox really render this another way that could potentially work better with JAWS?  I’ll have to ask for an exception to get Firefox installed and not even sure if it will be an improvement. 

 

Thoughts?

 

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moderated Jaws2020 Task manager question

O.Addison Gethers
 

Hi All I have jaws2020  and desktop computer Window10  !! When I press ctrl + shift + esc  to task manager   when task manager window page opens then I arrow down through the items  when I hear it’s say application for jaws  closed ,google chrome  closed ,firefox closed,microsoft edge closed and microsoft outlook closed  and others closed  !! Does task manager supposed to have all the items saying closed ? Because  when I was using google chrome  with  m.facebook.com  have the page opens for about 15 or 30 minute  later when I come back on computer  I was on google chrome  page with m.facebook.com I press F5 to fresh the page somehow  it won’t fresh the page so I press alt  F4 to close out the page  it won’t close out the google chrome  m.facebook.com  so it got stuck  so I went to task manager  then I arrow down to google chrome closed  then I press tab key it say detail  then press tab key again it say task  button I press enter  then I press alt –F4 to close out task manager  then it was on google chrome m.facebook.com profile  I press alt – F4 to close out the page but it won’t close out google chrome  !! Does anyone have any idea what I can do to task manager to say google chrome  without saying close ? Do anyone of you went you go to task manager  ,does all of your items say close ?

Addison

 


moderated Re: Using Google Docs

Glenn / Lenny
 


Thanks Brian, that worked.
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: Using Google Docs

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:52 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
radio shack 2032
-
Use this page:  

RadioPics Database - Main
which is a direct download of the PDF of the Owner's Manual for the RS PRO-2032 Scanner.

The page you found is one of the most screwed up I've ever seen.  I decided to try clicking through and after two clicks I'm on a Recaptcha page that doesn't even present me with the "Allow" button.

There are scads of other options, too:  https://duckduckgo.com/?q=radio+shack+2032+police+scanner+owners+manual 

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Using Google Docs

 

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:52 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
radio shack 2032
-
Use this page:  

RadioPics Database - Main
which is a direct download of the PDF of the Owner's Manual for the RS PRO-2032 Scanner.

The page you found is one of the most screwed up I've ever seen.  I decided to try clicking through and after two clicks I'm on a Recaptcha page that doesn't even present me with the "Allow" button.

There are scads of other options, too:  https://duckduckgo.com/?q=radio+shack+2032+police+scanner+owners+manual 

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Using Google Docs

Glenn / Lenny
 

Well I'm not into Google docs enough to listen to a webinar on it.
Maybe someone will fetch the file for me.
This could be the only time I would need Google docs.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Milton Ota
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: Using Google Docs

Yes, and if you got to the Pass Webinar page you will find a recording of the Google Docs webinar and documentation that should be helpful.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 11:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Google Docs

 

Insert + H only gives me the web help, for the web keyboard commands, which I use all the time, so nothing new there.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Milton Ota

Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 11:04 AM

Subject: Re: Using Google Docs

 

Hi,

You can use JAWS Key + H to get help with basic keyboard commands.

 

You can also find information on how to use Google Docs on the pass Webinar page on the Vispero/Freedom Scientific website.

 

 

Milton Ota

ICAN Island Computer Access Now

4273 Coventry Dr., S.

Unit E

Fargo, ND 58104-4498

 

Ph: (701) 731-0511

Email: mota1252@...

 

               

 


moderated Re: Using Google Docs

Milton Ota
 

Yes, and if you got to the Pass Webinar page you will find a recording of the Google Docs webinar and documentation that should be helpful.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 11:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Google Docs

 

Insert + H only gives me the web help, for the web keyboard commands, which I use all the time, so nothing new there.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Milton Ota

Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 11:04 AM

Subject: Re: Using Google Docs

 

Hi,

You can use JAWS Key + H to get help with basic keyboard commands.

 

You can also find information on how to use Google Docs on the pass Webinar page on the Vispero/Freedom Scientific website.

 

 

Milton Ota

ICAN Island Computer Access Now

4273 Coventry Dr., S.

Unit E

Fargo, ND 58104-4498

 

Ph: (701) 731-0511

Email: mota1252@...

 

               

 


moderated Re: OT - Are there any user groups for blind audiophiles?

clarence carter
 

Please let me know if you find one. I am interested.


moderated Re: Using Google Docs

Glenn / Lenny
 

Insert + H only gives me the web help, for the web keyboard commands, which I use all the time, so nothing new there.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Milton Ota
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: Using Google Docs

Hi,

You can use JAWS Key + H to get help with basic keyboard commands.

 

You can also find information on how to use Google Docs on the pass Webinar page on the Vispero/Freedom Scientific website.

 

 

Milton Ota

ICAN Island Computer Access Now

4273 Coventry Dr., S.

Unit E

Fargo, ND 58104-4498

 

Ph: (701) 731-0511

Email: mota1252@...

 

               

 


moderated Re: Using Google Docs

Milton Ota
 

Hi,

You can use JAWS Key + H to get help with basic keyboard commands.

 

You can also find information on how to use Google Docs on the pass Webinar page on the Vispero/Freedom Scientific website.

 

 

Milton Ota

ICAN Island Computer Access Now

4273 Coventry Dr., S.

Unit E

Fargo, ND 58104-4498

 

Ph: (701) 731-0511

Email: mota1252@...

 

               

 


moderated Re: OT - Are there any user groups for blind audiophiles?

mike mcglashon
 

What is an audiophile?

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 11:52 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: OT - Are there any user groups for blind audiophiles?

 

Hi!

 

I am an audiophile.  I was wondering if there are any user groups or list servers for blind audiophiles?

 

Thanks,

Richard


moderated Using Google Docs

Glenn / Lenny
 

Hi,
I've been trying to find a manual for my police scanner, a radio shack 2032.
I found this on Google Docs:
and it says to do control + alt + Z for screenreader accessibility, and I do that and it says screenreader mode, or something like that and that control + slash is supposed to give me keyboard commands, but that does not happen.
I'm not able to read anything other than the title of the page.
Does anyone have a clue how to use this, and/or, can please download it for me, PDF or other?
Thanks
Glenn


moderated OT - Are there any user groups for blind audiophiles?

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi!

 

I am an audiophile.  I was wondering if there are any user groups or list servers for blind audiophiles?

 

Thanks,

Richard


moderated Jaws2021 and Azzcardfile

Marten Post Uiterweer
 

Hi,

Are there any users of Azzcardfile?
With Jaws 2021 I can not longer see text in a card when selecting it in
the list.
This is on win10.

Regards, Marten

On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 07:03:44 -0500 "NFB Lab 4" <nfbsc.lab.4@gmail.com> wrote:

Are you holding down the alt key while you press tab, or are you letting up
each time?







From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 1:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: switching to running programs



Hi, Tom. Have you tried exiting JAWS, running Narrator, and trying to ALT
TAB between three or more programs? Does it work, or are you still
restricted to switching between only the last two programs? If you are
restricted using Narrator, it is a Windows problem, not a JAWS 2021 problem.
If, indeed, JAWS is what is restricting your view of the programs with ALT
TAB, I don't know what to tell you. I am using JAWS 2021, and I am not
having this problem.



One thing you might try is to use the command,



JAWS key plus SPACE, followed by Z



to put you into Alternate User Directory mode. This will cause all JAWS
configurations to become temporarily inactive until you perform the same
command,



JAWS key plus SPACE, followed by Z



again. This will help you to determine if it is something in your JAWS user
settings that is causing this restriction in switching between programs.



Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com <mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of T. Civitello
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 10:06 PM
To: jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>
Subject: switching to running programs



I have a slight problem. If I have more than 2 programs running and I try to
switch to the 3rd or 4th program with alt, tab I can only switch to the
first 2 programs that are running. Using insert F10 I can see all 4
running programs and switch to the one I want to use. Makes it difficult
when I am paying bills and have running the bank, Jaws and my bills paid
document. Every time I switch to see what and how much the net bill is I
have tuse insert F10 to switch to the bills paid document. Never was this
way till Jaws 2021. How do I get back to where I can alt tab to all the open
programs. Thanks Tom








moderated Re: having trouble with links

Adrian Spratt
 

Hi, Shirley.

 

I’m not having this problem but I did some time ago. Another lister, Debby Hill, suggested moving the cursor to the second character of the link, and it worked. It may be a workaround, but if it works for you, it should alleviate some frustration.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: having trouble with links

 

Hi Group:

 

Since I installed the JAWS 2021 version, I have started having trouble opening links. At first I noticed it with Windows Mail, but now it happens on websites. Do any of you have the same issues? Is this something connected with the latest update? Or is it my computer? It’s getting frustrating.

 

I’m using a desktop with Windows 10 and the latest JAWS.

 

Can anyone help?

 

 

Shirley Tracy

 


moderated switching to running programs

T. Civitello
 

I think I will just go back to using Jaws 2019 when I do my banking.  Tom


moderated Re: switching to running programs

 

Tom,

          Then this one is a case of, "search me?"   There are certain changes to Windows 10 and Edge both that can trigger something similar, and that's easy to reverse, under Windows 10.  I have no idea what may be going on under Windows 7 (and at this point barely remember many "under the hood" details of Windows 7, having been away from it entirely since 2015).

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: switching to running programs

T. Civitello
 

Using Windows 7 and Brave or IE browser.  Tom
 

Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: switching to running programs
 
Tom,

1.  What is your version and build of Windows 10?

2.  Are you using the new Chromium-based Microsoft Edge browser in the mix of programs?

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: having trouble with links

Shirley Tracy
 

Thanks Richard. It might be a problem with my computer. It’s starting to hang a lot as well. I’m stuck with this one for a while—so I’ll live with it.

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: having trouble with links

 

I’ve not had any issues.

How are you getting to the links?

On web sites, it is more reliable to tab or use the next link command.

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 7:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: having trouble with links

 

Hi Group:

 

Since I installed the JAWS 2021 version, I have started having trouble opening links. At first I noticed it with Windows Mail, but now it happens on websites. Do any of you have the same issues? Is this something connected with the latest update? Or is it my computer? It’s getting frustrating.

 

I’m using a desktop with Windows 10 and the latest JAWS.

 

Can anyone help?

 

 

Shirley Tracy

 

 

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