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moderated Re: outlook and braille

Debby Hill
 

Hi Gery,

 

While in Outlook press JAWS key + 6 on the number row. You will come into a search field.

 

Type the word braille.

 

Then without pressing enter arrow down until you come to the choice that has to do with braille mode. Press the spacebar until you are on “structured mode.”

 

Then tab until you get to “apply” and press enter.

 

Then tab to “ok” and press enter.

 

You should be in structured mode and be able to read in Outlook. I hope that helps!

 

Take care and stay safe!

 

Debby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gery Gaubert
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 2:33 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: outlook and braille

 

I have a pacmate braille display and a humanware brailiant display and no braille in outlook either.  Where do I go to change outlook to structured mode?


moderated braille displays and jfw

Gery Gaubert <ggaubert@...>
 

I have jaws 2020 and no braille on any of my displays.


moderated Re: APH Mantis not displaying Braile in Outlook

John Gurd
 

Actually, I just tried my Focus 40, 4th gen, and it’s doing the same thing. I’m using Office 365. But when I load JFW 2020 it works perfectly. So it is an issue connected with JFW 2021. I’ve just made certain the Braille Sleep mode is not enabled for Outlook, and it is not.

 

John

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: 19 November 2020 19:27
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: APH Mantis not displaying Braile in Outlook

 

Hi John,

 

This sounds very strange. Just a couple of questions. How are you connected to the PC, via usb or Bluetooth? Which version of office are you using? In outlook do you have JAWS speech? What happens on the Mantis display in Outlook—do you see the cursor blinking?

 

I just had a thought, are you in JAWS braille structured mode for Outlook? That’s one setting that I have missed in the past when setting up a braille display. Outlook doesn’t work well without it.

 

Good Luck! Take care and stay safe!

 

Debby

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Gurd via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 1:39 PM
To: jfw World List <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: APH Mantis not displaying Braile in Outlook

 

I’ve just connected an APH Mantis to my PC and it seems to work fine, except when in Outlook where thee Braille display stops working. It works fine in Word and Windows. I’m running JFW 2021 on Windows 10 version 2004.

 

There’s no Braille as I write this and none anywhere else in Outlook. If I Alt-Tab into Edge it starts working. Does anyone have a possible explanation or are  any other Mantis users experiencing this?

 

John


moderated outlook and braille

Gery Gaubert <ggaubert@...>
 

I have a pacmate braille display and a humanware brailiant display and no braille in outlook either.  Where do I go to change outlook to structured mode?


moderated Re: APH Mantis not displaying Braile in Outlook

Debby Hill
 

Hi John,

 

This sounds very strange. Just a couple of questions. How are you connected to the PC, via usb or Bluetooth? Which version of office are you using? In outlook do you have JAWS speech? What happens on the Mantis display in Outlook—do you see the cursor blinking?

 

I just had a thought, are you in JAWS braille structured mode for Outlook? That’s one setting that I have missed in the past when setting up a braille display. Outlook doesn’t work well without it.

 

Good Luck! Take care and stay safe!

 

Debby

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Gurd via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 1:39 PM
To: jfw World List <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: APH Mantis not displaying Braile in Outlook

 

I’ve just connected an APH Mantis to my PC and it seems to work fine, except when in Outlook where thee Braille display stops working. It works fine in Word and Windows. I’m running JFW 2021 on Windows 10 version 2004.

 

There’s no Braille as I write this and none anywhere else in Outlook. If I Alt-Tab into Edge it starts working. Does anyone have a possible explanation or are  any other Mantis users experiencing this?

 

John


moderated Re: magic and jaws reading a certain website

Stan Holdeman
 

Richard: I should of focused my question better.

 

With J2020 and Magic running, as I pulled the mouse pointer over the text in a story panel, Jaws read the contents of that story panel. What enabled Jaws to read that text? There must be a way to enable Jaws to read the text with or without Magic.

 

Stan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: magic and jaws reading a certain website

 

I do not have an answer about the newspaper panels, but it sounds like Vispero has reached the point of requiring folks to use Fusion which is Jaws plus ZoomText, rather than continuing Magic support. Of course, you will have to ask Vispero to be sure.

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert



On Nov 19, 2020, at 6:41 AM, Stan Holdeman <sholdeman@...> wrote:



Good morning all: I was very surprised when I first tried to load Magic with jaws 2021. A voice said something like—Sorry, Magic is not compatible with J2021. You must use J2020 or before. Ouch!

 

So this my main problem. In the E edition of my local newspaper I could read the story panels only with Magic running and I would pull the mouse pointer to the story panel and jaws would read the contents of that story panel. I could read those story panels in no other way.

 

I feel certain there is a way to get Jaws to read these panels without Magic running. Any ideas?

 

Stan

 

 


moderated APH Mantis not displaying Braile in Outlook

John Gurd
 

I’ve just connected an APH Mantis to my PC and it seems to work fine, except when in Outlook where thee Braille display stops working. It works fine in Word and Windows. I’m running JFW 2021 on Windows 10 version 2004.

 

There’s no Braille as I write this and none anywhere else in Outlook. If I Alt-Tab into Edge it starts working. Does anyone have a possible explanation or are  any other Mantis users experiencing this?

 

John


moderated Brave browser

T. Civitello
 

I am having problems running the browser "Brave" in Jaws 2021. I was also having a problem using jaws 2020. I have no problem when Using 2019. The only difference I can see, (hear) in the Jaws settings is that 2019 is using the settings labeled Chrome and 2020 and 2021  the settings are labeled Brave. The settings are the same as far as I can tell. Is there some way to change the settings to Chrome in Jaws 2021?  Tom


moderated Re: Excel 2007

Milton Ota
 

Hi,

 

My suggestion to you is to upgrade your Office Suite to either Microsoft 365 or Office 2019. Best thing is to follow some of the discussion on this list for the differences.

 

JAWS 2021 in its final release last week is optomised for either the Office Suite 2019 or Microsoft 365.

 

Also, hopefully you are running Windows 10.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Arnold ABG
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 11:53 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Excel 2007

 

List,

 

I have a new Lenovo laptop that I installed an older version of Microsoft Office 2007 Classic.  I am currently running JFW 2021.  When trying to use Excel, JAWS does not read cell contents or it will simply read one specific cell.  As I navigate to other cells, JAWS will not read them.  A sighted user informed me that they can see that I am indeed moving to different cells but JAWS does not read them.  Hope all of that rambling made sense…  Does anyone have any suggestions?

 

Thanks in advance,

Mark

 


moderated Excel 2007

Mark Arnold ABG
 

List,

 

I have a new Lenovo laptop that I installed an older version of Microsoft Office 2007 Classic.  I am currently running JFW 2021.  When trying to use Excel, JAWS does not read cell contents or it will simply read one specific cell.  As I navigate to other cells, JAWS will not read them.  A sighted user informed me that they can see that I am indeed moving to different cells but JAWS does not read them.  Hope all of that rambling made sense…  Does anyone have any suggestions?

 

Thanks in advance,

Mark

 


moderated Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

Van Lant, Robin
 

JAWS Professional is still a one user license, but Freedoms Scientific says we need to use the professional version if using it in a work setting. There isn't any functional difference, as there used to be in the distinction between Microsoft Office Home and Professional versions. Frankly, I think what it comes down to is a pricing structure. Freedom Scientific is making up part of their revenue from licenses purchased by companies and passing on a savings to personal users who likely don't have the financial resources of a company. That's my hunch. Sure, they can charge all users the same price, but it's a smart thing they are doing to charge less for home users. I'm not sure if they can really tell if someone is using a home license in a professional setting; I figure it is on the honor system and subject to audit, like the IRS auditing your taxes.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 12:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments.


Oh wow, is that so that you can install it on more than three computers or what? Because with the subscription service, you can install it on up to three computers plus if you need to transfer to another computer you can do the exact same thing my dad and I couldn't figure out why I would need the professional version since they pretty much offer the same thing.
On Nov 18, 2020, at 10:10 AM, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io <Robin_Van_Lant=Key.com@groups.io> wrote:

Joseph,
Those of us using JAWS at a company cannot use the annual home license anyway. We have to use the Professional version.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph
Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

Milton, what I was suggesting below, was him speaking with his employer about getting the $90 subscription. Whether it had to be done through an administrator or himself.
On Nov 15, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Milton Ota <mota1252@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Listers,

RE: tele1974@gmail.com

He has been responded to and his situation will not be able to be solved by this list or tech support at Freedom Scientific. The individual works for a Federal Government Agency and the individual does not have Admin Rights so he cannot update the computer no matter if he was able to purchase a one year license to get the latest copy of JAWS and install it. The individual has to speak with his Supervisor and the IT Department to unlock the computer so that he has Admin Rights or get the IT Admin to work with him to resolve the problem he is having.

There is no need to respond to him or the list at this time.




-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph
Hudson
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 5:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with Jaws ndwindows 10,

Or ask your employer if you can purchase the $90 home subscription for this computer you are medically get the new versions once they are released.
On Nov 13, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@gmail.com> wrote:

If you are running windows 10 especially the latest versions of windows 10 jaws 18 isn’t going to play well with it. You need to ask your employer for the latest version of Jaws.

Randy Barnett

On Nov 13, 2020, at 3:07 PM, tele1974@gmail.com wrote:


Hello, I’m hoping someone has some help, I just received a windows 10 laptop through work, and we are running jaws 18. The issues I’m having are:
1, when hitting alt plus other keys, IE alt+a to go to my explorer favorites, or other similar commands, the command works maybe 25 percent of the time. Sometimes I have to repeatedly hit the command, and sometimes it just doesn’t work at all. I’ve not found this with previous versions of windows running jaws 18.

2, the other issue I have is that when I am typing into an edit field, such as a search field on a search engine, or in any other explorer based program, many of the characters I type are not entering into the box. It’s almost as if there is a lag of some kind. I will have to go back and add about half the characters I’ve typed back in, as only fragments of words show up in the box.
I’m hoping this makes sense and that someone may have some suggestions.
Thanks,
Kurt














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moderated Re: different speech profiles coming out of different sound cards

Mike B
 

Hi Mike,
 
Since I'm not running your configuration I can't comment or suggest anything more.  I would need the same type configuration or something similar to experiment with and I don't.  Hopefully someone that does will chime in.

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: different speech profiles coming out of different sound cards

Mike,

I see what you are saying, but,

The thing is,

When I set eloquence as the speech profile for outlook and say set profile for word to be Microsoft mobile,

As I switch between the two programs, the profile changes, and the sound card for that profile changes with it.

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 8:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: different speech profiles coming out of different sound cards

 

Morning Mike,

 

I've never used a Bluetooth speaker but, I'm assuming that this speaker is being seen as a soundcard by your computer.  When you assign Jaws to use the Realtek that means that the Bluetooth speaker is the Windows default soundcard and all other sounds will come through the Bluetooth speaker.

 

So, when you switch speech profiles now all sounds, including Jaws, is switching over to the Windows default soundcard, which is the Bluetooth speaker.  Look in your soundcard settings to see if Jaws can be assigned to run via the Realtek soundcard while in the Microsoft Mobile profile.

 

 


Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 4:48 AM

Subject: different speech profiles coming out of different sound cards

 

Hi guys:

 

I write to inquire about a unique nuance regarding speech profiles and sound cards within jaws.

 

I currently have a Bluetooth speaker hooked up to my computer.

I set jaws to come out the real tech sound card, and all other sounds come out the Bluetooth speaker.

 

Here’s the deal,

When I set my speech profile with ctrl + insert +s to eloquence, jaws comes out the real tech card as I originally desired; however,

If I set the speech profile to Microsoft mobile using ctrl +insert +s it comes out the Bluetooth speaker.

 

Please keep in mind, I don’t think it is so much a hinderance, but rather,

A feature that I don’t know how to control.

 

Any ideas?

It would be a great feature if I knew how to control it.

When I looked within the speech profiles under voice adjust, and,

I look under Microsoft mobile profile,

There is no setting that says:

“for this profile, use this sound card.”.

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 


moderated More on JAWS 2020 and virus software

Ken Chernack
 

Hi again.
I have talked to Microsoft Accessibility, Norton Help and 2 levels of
Freedom Scientific/Jaws Support and I was told by ALL of them that there has
been no reported issues/problems with Jaws2021 and many anti-virus (Norton,
McAfee...) working together.

Will the original writer of the post that said there were issues please
reply to the list with more facts.

At this time, I can only come to the conclusion that we could be dealing
with another hoax (albeit technical).

Thank you for your anticipated cooperation.
Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Chernack via
groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 7:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2020 and virus software

Will you please explain a little more about your comments?
I use Norton Security for security, password management and more.
I just can't forget about Norton and install Defender.
I have a lifetime of work at stake.

Is anyone at The Sparrow engaged with Norton to correct this bug?

Please lower my blood pressure!
Your, and others, help is appreciated.
Ken
p.s. If there is any truth to your statements, I am very happy that I have
been ignoring the upgrade message I am a SMA subscriber.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Sohl
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 11:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 2020 and virus software

Hi for people who are having issues with JAWS 2021 and virus software such
as Norton and Mcaffee, there is a solution to this problem!

Apparently, from what I'm reading in the thread, the virus programs are
treating JAWS like it's a Trojan ,malware or a virus. The software removes
JAWS.

Once they are removed, enable Windows defender and this should solve the
issue.

Hope this helps.

--
Sent from my Windows 10 HP


moderated Re: magic and jaws reading a certain website

Richard Turner
 

I do not have an answer about the newspaper panels, but it sounds like Vispero has reached the point of requiring folks to use Fusion which is Jaws plus ZoomText, rather than continuing Magic support. Of course, you will have to ask Vispero to be sure.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Nov 19, 2020, at 6:41 AM, Stan Holdeman <sholdeman@...> wrote:



Good morning all: I was very surprised when I first tried to load Magic with jaws 2021. A voice said something like—Sorry, Magic is not compatible with J2021. You must use J2020 or before. Ouch!

 

So this my main problem. In the E edition of my local newspaper I could read the story panels only with Magic running and I would pull the mouse pointer to the story panel and jaws would read the contents of that story panel. I could read those story panels in no other way.

 

I feel certain there is a way to get Jaws to read these panels without Magic running. Any ideas?

 

Stan

 

 


moderated magic and jaws reading a certain website

Stan Holdeman
 

Good morning all: I was very surprised when I first tried to load Magic with jaws 2021. A voice said something like—Sorry, Magic is not compatible with J2021. You must use J2020 or before. Ouch!

 

So this my main problem. In the E edition of my local newspaper I could read the story panels only with Magic running and I would pull the mouse pointer to the story panel and jaws would read the contents of that story panel. I could read those story panels in no other way.

 

I feel certain there is a way to get Jaws to read these panels without Magic running. Any ideas?

 

Stan

 

 


moderated Re: different speech profiles coming out of different sound cards

mike mcglashon
 

Mike,

I see what you are saying, but,

The thing is,

When I set eloquence as the speech profile for outlook and say set profile for word to be Microsoft mobile,

As I switch between the two programs, the profile changes, and the sound card for that profile changes with it.

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 8:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: different speech profiles coming out of different sound cards

 

Morning Mike,

 

I've never used a Bluetooth speaker but, I'm assuming that this speaker is being seen as a soundcard by your computer.  When you assign Jaws to use the Realtek that means that the Bluetooth speaker is the Windows default soundcard and all other sounds will come through the Bluetooth speaker.

 

So, when you switch speech profiles now all sounds, including Jaws, is switching over to the Windows default soundcard, which is the Bluetooth speaker.  Look in your soundcard settings to see if Jaws can be assigned to run via the Realtek soundcard while in the Microsoft Mobile profile.

 

 


Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 4:48 AM

Subject: different speech profiles coming out of different sound cards

 

Hi guys:

 

I write to inquire about a unique nuance regarding speech profiles and sound cards within jaws.

 

I currently have a Bluetooth speaker hooked up to my computer.

I set jaws to come out the real tech sound card, and all other sounds come out the Bluetooth speaker.

 

Here’s the deal,

When I set my speech profile with ctrl + insert +s to eloquence, jaws comes out the real tech card as I originally desired; however,

If I set the speech profile to Microsoft mobile using ctrl +insert +s it comes out the Bluetooth speaker.

 

Please keep in mind, I don’t think it is so much a hinderance, but rather,

A feature that I don’t know how to control.

 

Any ideas?

It would be a great feature if I knew how to control it.

When I looked within the speech profiles under voice adjust, and,

I look under Microsoft mobile profile,

There is no setting that says:

“for this profile, use this sound card.”.

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 


moderated Re: different speech profiles coming out of different sound cards

Mike B
 

Morning Mike,
 
I've never used a bluetooth speaker but, I'm assuming that this speaker is being seen as a soundcard by your computer.  When you assign Jaws to use the Realtek that means that the bluetooth speaker is the Windows default sounccard and all other sounds will come through the bluetooth speaker.
 
So, when you switch speech profiles now all sounds, including Jaws, is switching over to the Windows default soundcard, which is the bluetooth speaker.  Look in your soundcard setttings to see if Jaws can be asigned to run via the Realtek soundcard while in the Microsoft Mobile profile.
 
 

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 4:48 AM
Subject: different speech profiles coming out of different sound cards

Hi guys:

 

I write to inquire about a unique nuance regarding speech profiles and sound cards within jaws.

 

I currently have a Bluetooth speaker hooked up to my computer.

I set jaws to come out the real tech sound card, and all other sounds come out the Bluetooth speaker.

 

Here’s the deal,

When I set my speech profile with ctrl + insert +s to eloquence, jaws comes out the real tech card as I originally desired; however,

If I set the speech profile to Microsoft mobile using ctrl +insert +s it comes out the Bluetooth speaker.

 

Please keep in mind, I don’t think it is so much a hinderance, but rather,

A feature that I don’t know how to control.

 

Any ideas?

It would be a great feature if I knew how to control it.

When I looked within the speech profiles under voice adjust, and,

I look under Microsoft mobile profile,

There is no setting that says:

“for this profile, use this sound card.”.

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 


moderated different speech profiles coming out of different sound cards

mike mcglashon
 

Hi guys:

 

I write to inquire about a unique nuance regarding speech profiles and sound cards within jaws.

 

I currently have a Bluetooth speaker hooked up to my computer.

I set jaws to come out the real tech sound card, and all other sounds come out the Bluetooth speaker.

 

Here’s the deal,

When I set my speech profile with ctrl + insert +s to eloquence, jaws comes out the real tech card as I originally desired; however,

If I set the speech profile to Microsoft mobile using ctrl +insert +s it comes out the Bluetooth speaker.

 

Please keep in mind, I don’t think it is so much a hinderance, but rather,

A feature that I don’t know how to control.

 

Any ideas?

It would be a great feature if I knew how to control it.

When I looked within the speech profiles under voice adjust, and,

I look under Microsoft mobile profile,

There is no setting that says:

“for this profile, use this sound card.”.

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 


moderated jaws reads only with Magic running

Stan Holdeman
 

Good morning all: I was very surprised when I first tried to load Magic with jaws 2021. A voice said something like—Sorry, Magic is not compatible with J2021. You must use J2020 or before. Ouch!

 

So this my main problem. In the E edition of my local newspaper I could read the story panels only with Magic running and I would pull the mouse pointer to the story panel and jaws would read the contents of that story panel. I could read those story panels in no other way.

 

I feel certain there is a way to get Jaws to read these panels without Magic running. Any ideas?

 

Stan

 


moderated Re: Jaws annual subscription

Dave Durber
 

The upgrade price, is to move a user of JAWS, for example, from version 2019 to version 2021. The upgrade, would allow a user to then use JAWS 2020, if they so wish.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Turner" <richardturner42@outlook.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws annual subscription


If you have Jaws 2019, you would have to pay for 2020 and 2021.
You could call Vispero and ask to get an actual price.
Or, plan to commit to the annual license at the rate of at least $90 per year to avoid falling back to the 40 minute demo.


Richard
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws annual subscription

So what about those who have the JAWS 19 and want to upgrade to 21? They have to pay for who knows how many upgrades to be current.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of NFB Lab 4
Sent: November 18, 2020 11:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws annual subscription

If you have an SM a, the best thing to do is keep it up-to-date. If you ever let it lapse, or go to the home annual license, you will end up spending more money. $90 times two is 180. Where as the SMA for two years is currently $150.
If you switch to the home annual license and decide not to renew it, you will then be downgraded to the demo 40 minute version.
On Nov 18, 2020, at 2:22 PM, Richard Turner <richardturner42@outlook.com> wrote:

If memory serves, and that could be a big if, let's say you have a SMA through 2023.
You decide to skip 2024 and want to get a full license for 2025 and 26, you have to still pay for 2024.
I still like the SMA approach, but at some point, I may decide to switch if the annual purchase stays at $90 per year because by 2024, that will be more cost effective.
But, not even the Shadow knows if that price will stay the same ....



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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 11:19 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Jaws annual subscription > > If you switch to the subscription license of JAWS, that is a non-perpetual license that must be purchased and renewed every year. You can still purchase a full license with an SMA and get a perpetual license for that version of JAWS and use it for as long as you like. It won't expire whether you choose to keep purchasing an SMA or not. As Windows continues to be updated and your various programs such as Office 365 continue to be updated, how effective the older version of JAWS will remain might be an issue.

Alan Lemly

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of > David Diamond > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 12:28 PM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Jaws annual subscription > > The same is true if your SMA runs out, according to a rep at Vispero. I had the 20 version, if I did not renew my SMA because it had run out, I could still use JAWS 20. The kicker is though, from what I can remember, if in a few years 20 was out of date as in not working properly because of the upgrades in technology, I'd have to pay for each succeeding upgrade. Others can refute that if they want. I don't know everything and don't mind being corrected.
Providing of course the person has factual info, not their own idea. "You should ... it could ..." Yes, I did renew my SMA at $165 and do have the 21.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy > Sent: November 18, 2020 9:53 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Jaws annual subscription > > When your subscription runs out you no longer have access for that version of JAWS. If you have the SMA you keep those version as long as you wish to use them.
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From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 12:32 PM > Subject: Jaws annual subscription > > > OK I have a full licensed copy of Jaws home edition and have been keeping it up to date with a SMA. Lets say I don't purchase another SMA but go for the annual $90 subscription. What happens at the end of that subscription if I don't purchase another subscription? Do I lose the use of what was a full license copy?







































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