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Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

I forgot that my husband knows Control B, F, G, H, U - he's been using a plethora of them. Of course, he's a big mouser too. So, probably there are a lot of sighted people who use more commands than they'd realize that they do. Of course, they have the choice.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul D. J. Jenkins [mailto:pdjj6123@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 6:03 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

I think companies should encourage a no-mouse week in their offices! That would be great! Of course, there would need to be some exceptions, but the improvements in productivity over time are immeasurable!

-----Original Message-----
From: David Moore [mailto:jesusloves1966@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 1:42
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

Hi Brian,
With people using laptops and tablets, it is important to know the JAWS key commands when JAWS is set to laptop keyboard mode. You do not have to use the num pad at all when using JAWS, because key commands have been added to JAWS which makes it possible to not have a num pad at all. For example, caps lock + K will read the current word as well as num pad 5. It is good to know the difference between windows and JAWS key commands, because you can perform a lot of tasks, like saving a file, without speech if you know the command. Just think, sighted people would greatly benefit by knowing all of the Windows key commands, because it is much faster to press a key command then it is working with the mouse. I have shown many of my sighted friends and my wife many key commands and they use some like alt + tab. Take care and have a great one.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gudrun Brunot
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 7:24 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

Brian, I'm for learning as many shortcuts as possible. If that means that you may have to emphasize what happens when you separate the six-pack key from the numpad keys and other aspects, so be it. With practice, people will get the hang of it.



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 3:13 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

[Edited Message Follows]

Hello All,

What follows is a rather philosophical question but that certainly has practical implications that the cohort will know about a lot more personally than I ever can. Hence this is the place to ask.

When I tutor on using JAWS I do not focus exclusively on JAWS and its keystrokes because JAWS hovers on top of all other Windows programs and assists in using those. My philosophy is that I want my clients to know as many, if not more, keyboard shortcuts that are universally, or very close to universally, applicable in all Windows programs. I want them to know that, in almost all cases, ALT+F opens the file menu or equivalent, followed by S saves a file, followed by A does a Save as, etc.

One of my clients, with whom I had a marathon 3.25 hour tutoring session yesterday, is relatively new to using Windows Live Mail as well as using PDF XChange viewer to perform OCR on the many image PDFs that still get thrown his way. As a result, I worked him through certain tasks step-by-step and create instructions in the same format, examples of which will follow. It was only when we were conversing afterward, and he used the phrase JAWS keyboard shortcuts when talking about conventional Windows keyboard shortcuts that I thought it important that he had at least a basic understanding that keyboard shortcuts do differ in what program layer, JAWS versus a give Windows program, is responsible for the interpretation of same. I want him to understand how to apply Windows keyboard shortcuts "by extension" when he is playing around with a Windows program that's new to him. Is this a mistake to try to make this distinction? Is it unwise to not focus nearly exclusively on JAWS keyboard shortcuts for functions that also exist independently as a different Windows keyboard shortcut? I'd love to get the perspective of those who would know the pluses and minuses of leaning one way or another.

What follows are a couple of examples of the step-by-step instruction sets I've created, and they look more complicated than they actually are because I try to break things down into simple single steps.
Once you know what you're doing most of these tasks can be done in a few moments. I'll include the instructions for running OCR with PDF XChange Viewer because it may be helpful to some here who have decided to play with that program. All focus almost exclusively on using WIndows keyboard shortcuts for the program in question with JAWS serving the role of narrating what's happening while you do this.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Using PDF XChange Viewer to perform OCR on any PDF you receive that is an image PDF, step-by-step:

1. Open PDF XChange Viewer from your start menu.

2. Hit ALT+F,O to bring up the file open browsing dialog.

3. Hit ALT+I to jump directly to the Look In combo box

4. Hit down arrow to get into the area that s somewhat, but not exactly,
like the tree view in Windows Explorer.

5. Hit L until you hear, Libraries, announced.

6. Hit TAB two times, you should hear, Documents .

7. Hit SPACEBAR to select the Documents library.

8. Hit ENTER to open the documents library.

9. Hit the first character of the folder or file name you re trying to
perform OCR on. Keep doing this with the first character until you hear its name announced.

10. Hit Enter to open the file or folder. If you re
dealing with a file at this step go straight to step 11. Otherwise, do the following

a. If you know the file is in this folder then use the hit the first
character technique to locate it and jump to step 11 once you have.

b. If you need to drill down another folder level go back to step 9.

11. Hit ALT+O to open the file in PDF XChange Viewer.

12. Hit CTRL+SHIFT+C to open the OCR dialog box.
Immediately hit ENTER to initiate the OCR processing. The length of time this takes depends on the size of the file being processed. JAWS does not read the processing status box, but will announce the file s name with star after it when the processing completes. That s how you ll know it s done.

13. Hit ALT+F,S to save the file and its OCR text
into the original file itself.

14. Hit ALT+F4 to close PDF XChange Viewer.




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Creating a new folder in Windows Explorer, step-by-step:

1. Open Windows Explorer and navigate to the folder location in which
you wish to create the new folder.

2. Hit ALT+F,W,F to create the new folder itself.

3. Type in the name you want for the new folder you re creating.

4. Hit ENTER to make that new name stick, and you re done.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------




To find a specific e-mail message in WLM, step-by-step:

1. Hit ALT+O,FI which opens the message find submenu

2. You are presented with two choices in this submenu: Find Text and
Find Message. I will cover each of these briefly.

3. Find Text presents a dialog box allows you to enter a word, words, or
phrase that you know is somewhere within the message you re trying to find.
Simply enter that text and skip to step 5.

4. Find Message presents you with a dialog box with a number of possible
attributes of the message you might want to search on, e.g., Subject, From, To, and others. Tab through and fill in whichever of these attributes you wish to include in the search. After you ve filled in whichever are pertinent, go to step 5.

5. Hit ALT+I to activate the Find Now key. This will cause a dialog box
to come up with the list of messages that match whatever you searched on, if any exist. These are presented very much like your inbox message list, but are composed only of messages that match the search criteria you entered.
When you hear the one you re interested in as you move through them, hit ENTER to open it.


Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

My husband has used the cut, paste and copy keyboard commands, the undo and redo, and now he's taken to Alt F4. Also he uses Control A to highlight all. He was doing all of those before he knew me, except for Alt F4.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: David Moore [mailto:jesusloves1966@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 1:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

Hi Brian,
With people using laptops and tablets, it is important to know the JAWS key commands when JAWS is set to laptop keyboard mode. You do not have to use the num pad at all when using JAWS, because key commands have been added to JAWS which makes it possible to not have a num pad at all. For example, caps lock + K will read the current word as well as num pad 5. It is good to know the difference between windows and JAWS key commands, because you can perform a lot of tasks, like saving a file, without speech if you know the command. Just think, sighted people would greatly benefit by knowing all of the Windows key commands, because it is much faster to press a key command then it is working with the mouse. I have shown many of my sighted friends and my wife many key commands and they use some like alt + tab. Take care and have a great one.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gudrun Brunot
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 7:24 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

Brian, I'm for learning as many shortcuts as possible. If that means that you may have to emphasize what happens when you separate the six-pack key from the numpad keys and other aspects, so be it. With practice, people will get the hang of it.



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 3:13 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

[Edited Message Follows]

Hello All,

What follows is a rather philosophical question but that certainly has practical implications that the cohort will know about a lot more personally than I ever can. Hence this is the place to ask.

When I tutor on using JAWS I do not focus exclusively on JAWS and its keystrokes because JAWS hovers on top of all other Windows programs and assists in using those. My philosophy is that I want my clients to know as many, if not more, keyboard shortcuts that are universally, or very close to universally, applicable in all Windows programs. I want them to know that, in almost all cases, ALT+F opens the file menu or equivalent, followed by S saves a file, followed by A does a Save as, etc.

One of my clients, with whom I had a marathon 3.25 hour tutoring session yesterday, is relatively new to using Windows Live Mail as well as using PDF XChange viewer to perform OCR on the many image PDFs that still get thrown his way. As a result, I worked him through certain tasks step-by-step and create instructions in the same format, examples of which will follow. It was only when we were conversing afterward, and he used the phrase JAWS keyboard shortcuts when talking about conventional Windows keyboard shortcuts that I thought it important that he had at least a basic understanding that keyboard shortcuts do differ in what program layer, JAWS versus a give Windows program, is responsible for the interpretation of same. I want him to understand how to apply Windows keyboard shortcuts "by extension" when he is playing around with a Windows program that's new to him. Is this a mistake to try to make this distinction? Is it unwise to not focus nearly exclusively on JAWS keyboard shortcuts for functions that also exist independently as a different Windows keyboard shortcut? I'd love to get the perspective of those who would know the pluses and minuses of leaning one way or another.

What follows are a couple of examples of the step-by-step instruction sets I've created, and they look more complicated than they actually are because I try to break things down into simple single steps.
Once you know what you're doing most of these tasks can be done in a few moments. I'll include the instructions for running OCR with PDF XChange Viewer because it may be helpful to some here who have decided to play with that program. All focus almost exclusively on using WIndows keyboard shortcuts for the program in question with JAWS serving the role of narrating what's happening while you do this.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Using PDF XChange Viewer to perform OCR on any PDF you receive that is an image PDF, step-by-step:

1. Open PDF XChange Viewer from your start menu.

2. Hit ALT+F,O to bring up the file open browsing dialog.

3. Hit ALT+I to jump directly to the Look In combo box

4. Hit down arrow to get into the area that’s somewhat, but not exactly,
like the tree view in Windows Explorer.

5. Hit L until you hear, “Libraries,” announced.

6. Hit TAB two times, you should hear, “Documents”.

7. Hit SPACEBAR to select the Documents library.

8. Hit ENTER to open the documents library.

9. Hit the first character of the folder or file name you’re trying to
perform OCR on. Keep doing this with the first character until you hear its name announced.

10. Hit Enter to open the file or folder. If you’re
dealing with a file at this step go straight to step 11. Otherwise, do the following

a. If you know the file is in this folder then use the “hit the first
character” technique to locate it and jump to step 11 once you have.

b. If you need to drill down another folder level go back to step 9.

11. Hit ALT+O to open the file in PDF XChange Viewer.

12. Hit CTRL+SHIFT+C to open the OCR dialog box.
Immediately hit ENTER to initiate the OCR processing. The length of time this takes depends on the size of the file being processed. JAWS does not read the processing status box, but will announce the file’s name with star after it when the processing completes. That’s how you’ll know it’s done.

13. Hit ALT+F,S to save the file and its OCR text
into the original file itself.

14. Hit ALT+F4 to close PDF XChange Viewer.




-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------




Creating a new folder in Windows Explorer, step-by-step:

1. Open Windows Explorer and navigate to the folder location in which
you wish to create the new folder.

2. Hit ALT+F,W,F to create the new folder itself.

3. Type in the name you want for the new folder you’re creating.

4. Hit ENTER to make that new name stick, and you’re done.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------




To find a specific e-mail message in WLM, step-by-step:

1. Hit ALT+O,FI which opens the message find submenu

2. You are presented with two choices in this submenu: Find Text and
Find Message. I will cover each of these briefly.

3. Find Text presents a dialog box allows you to enter a word, words, or
phrase that you know is somewhere within the message you’re trying to find.
Simply enter that text and skip to step 5.

4. Find Message presents you with a dialog box with a number of possible
attributes of the message you might want to search on, e.g., Subject, From, To, and others. Tab through and fill in whichever of these attributes you wish to include in the search. After you’ve filled in whichever are pertinent, go to step 5.

5. Hit ALT+I to activate the Find Now key. This will cause a dialog box
to come up with the list of messages that match whatever you searched on, if any exist. These are presented very much like your inbox message list, but are composed only of messages that match the search criteria you entered.
When you hear the one you’re interested in as you move through them, hit ENTER to open it.


Re: I have to ask again

Charles Coe
 

Call Del support service using the telephone number provided in the literature that came with your new Del. 

 

 

 

From: Jim Portillo [mailto:portillo.jim@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 10:05 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: I have to ask again

 

Hello,

 

I hope nobody gets tired of this question, but I need to find a good answer soon, and I am not quite sure what to do any more.  I am using JAWS 16 on a Dell Venue Tablet.  It has Windows 8.1.

I want to be able to upgrade it to Windows 10 but can’t seem to do that at this time because it says that there’s not enough memory for that.  That’s impossible because the only programs that have been installed (aside from the usual Dell ones) are MS Office and JAWS. 

When I check the memory, the thing it recommends is to delete some of the unnecessary apps.  That doesn’t really help, because those apps aren’t very big anyway.

It was suggested that the patrician might have something to do with this.  I am not sure how to check that or how to do something with it.

Does anyone have any suggestions?  I’m a technology user but not always a person who diagnoses things, but I do want this tablet on Windows 10, and I know it can be done.  There aren’t many programs on it.

If we really want to get technical (and I do ask questions) please write me off list.

Thanks so much!

Jim

 


Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Most enlightening, Brian, thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 11:44 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

Thanks to all for this fascinating exchange of ideas.

Laura, your question is not in any way dumb and it is very difficult to answer easily. It's relatively easy for me to know the difference because I can literally see the Windows keyboard shortcuts "reveal themselves" as the sequences are hit, at least a large number of them. I certainly, for instance, didn't know the keyboard sequence that was used in Windows Live Mail to do a message search in its entirety, particularly the ALT+i for the find now key, but as I work through the process the first time with the client at each step Windows (or the Windows program) shows the next character or characters that are part of the sequence, allowing me to build the entire sequence for inclusion in the step-by-step directions.

I am glad, though, to hear others saying that it is important to make this distinction. The main reason it's important to me is that there is a huge set of Windows keyboard shortcuts, the three best known being Ctrl+C (copy), Ctrl+X (cut), and Ctrl+V (paste), that are used in precisely the same manner in more programs than I can count. There are many more that fall into the "extended common" set of Windows keyboard shortcuts and I want my clients to understand that, if they're in a pinch, and they know how to do "process X" in "program Y" that they should at least try seeing if "process X" will get the same result in different Windows "program Z."

The same concept applies to the JAWS layer as well, since you use the same JAWS keyboard shortcuts to accomplish the same tasks in a wide array of Windows programs.

If you know the difference between the two, though, and you have that knowledge "in your bones" you can actually sometimes function if speech goes south at a given point in time and still complete at least the current thing you're trying to do like save a file.

Another reason it's important to know the difference is because sometimes assistive technology like JAWS, ZoomText, or the like "captures" what would be a Windows keyboard shortcut for it's own use. My client gave an example of this last night, that he'd figured out on his own. He generally uses either ZoomText or JAWS (much more JAWS these days) separately along with whatever Windows program he needs beneath it. The other day he had ZoomText, plus JAWS, plus some Windows program open. One of the commands that we always used to perform a function in that Windows program when JAWS was running alone suddenly wasn't working in the Windows program, and ZoomText was doing something he'd never seen before. He figured out for himself that ZoomText had commandeered that particular command for its own use and, thus, was not passed along to the Windows program running beneath it for processing.

I use the analogy of the various programs being like separate sifting screens stacked one atop the other. The screen readers and other assistive technology are always the topmost screen. They get every blessed keystroke you hit passed through them first, and these programs get to interpret those first, so if a keystroke sequence is considered a command by JAWS, for instance, JAWS does it's thing with that sequence and nothing from it sifts through to the program that is "the next sifting screen down." Then, all of the keystroke sequences that JAWS didn't snag as its own get passed down to the next sifting screen, and for the purposes of this narrative lets say that's ZoomText. Now ZoomText gets "first crack" at interpreting the sequences that have passed into its hands, and acts on any of those it recognizes as "my command." Then whatever is left sifts through and falls into the screen that is the Windows program running below it for interpretation as commands it processes. I think it's important for people to understand that there exists a hierarchy and that AT sits at the top of that heap and gets first crack at every keyboard input sequence to decide if it "belongs to me" before passing what remains on to the next guy. Very often this may be irrelevant to doing what you want to do, but it can be key to understanding why "things that used to work" may work no longer if some other AT program gets added to the mix that ends up siphoning off commands that used to be passed through to other programs, so those other programs never see them.

Heavens, but the above seems awfully wordy, but I really can't think of a short way to describe the conceptual framework of program layers and that knowing about it can make sudden changes in behavior on your system a bit more understandable when new stuff enters the mix of programs running at the same time.

Brian


Re: Mirror Display driver error

Sameer
 

 
When I go into Device Manager, I can see two display drivers installed. The first is the Freedom Scientific driver & the second is the computer’s own display driver (HP driver).
 
Which of these two drivers should I uninstall? Or should I use the “Search for Updates” feature?
 
Regards
Mr. Sameer Latey,
Mumbai, India
 

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: Mirror Display driver error
 

You can check in your device manager to see if the mirror display driver is installed.  If it is, I would remove it, and then run a JAWS repair.  This has resolved this issue for me in the past.  If it doesn’t, you may have to totally remove JAWS, and start from scratch.  Good luck!

 

 

From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) [mailto:Ted.Lisle@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 7:49 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Mirror Display driver error

 

In other words, you used a download, rather than the factory disk?  I want to follow this thread, as 17 may be in my immediate personal and professional future.

 

From: Cristóbal [mailto:crismunoz54@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 12:01 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Mirror Display driver error

 

Did you by any chance run the Windows 10 tool from FS to remove older versions of Jaws? If so, then that could be what’s causing your issues. I did this thinking I’d upgrade my Windows 7 machine, but later decided against it. Running the Jaws 17 installer fixed it for me.

 

 

From: Sameer [mailto:salatey@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 7:23 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Mirror Display driver error

 

 

Dear List Members,

 

I had been using JAWS 16 (64-bit) on my computer with Windows 7 as the OS. I have installed the latest build of JAWS 17 (64-bit) during the weekend & since then have been receiving a Freedom Scientific Mirror Display driver error message. This error message appears whenever JAWS is started & going back to JAWS version 16 has not resolved the problem.

 

The error message says that the Freedom Scientific Mirror Display driver could not be loaded & provides a Reinstall option. Selecting the Reinstall option does not resolve the problem.

 

Request your kind assistance in resolving the above problem.

 

Thanking all in advance for any & all assistance.

 

Regards

Mr. Sameer Latey,
Mumbai, India


Re: I have to ask again

Dave...
 


Jim,
 
What are the specs (particularly hard disk space and RAM) for your Dell?
 
As to partitioning, it would be unusual for a computer out of the box to not have its primary partition set to be the maximum available hard disk space as a boot partition.
 
Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 10:05 AM
Subject: I have to ask again

Hello,

 

I hope nobody gets tired of this question, but I need to find a good answer soon, and I am not quite sure what to do any more.  I am using JAWS 16 on a Dell Venue Tablet.  It has Windows 8.1.

I want to be able to upgrade it to Windows 10 but can’t seem to do that at this time because it says that there’s not enough memory for that.  That’s impossible because the only programs that have been installed (aside from the usual Dell ones) are MS Office and JAWS. 

When I check the memory, the thing it recommends is to delete some of the unnecessary apps.  That doesn’t really help, because those apps aren’t very big anyway.

It was suggested that the patrician might have something to do with this.  I am not sure how to check that or how to do something with it.

Does anyone have any suggestions?  I’m a technology user but not always a person who diagnoses things, but I do want this tablet on Windows 10, and I know it can be done.  There aren’t many programs on it.

If we really want to get technical (and I do ask questions) please write me off list.

Thanks so much!

Jim

 


I have to ask again

Jim Portillo
 

Hello,

 

I hope nobody gets tired of this question, but I need to find a good answer soon, and I am not quite sure what to do any more.  I am using JAWS 16 on a Dell Venue Tablet.  It has Windows 8.1.

I want to be able to upgrade it to Windows 10 but can’t seem to do that at this time because it says that there’s not enough memory for that.  That’s impossible because the only programs that have been installed (aside from the usual Dell ones) are MS Office and JAWS. 

When I check the memory, the thing it recommends is to delete some of the unnecessary apps.  That doesn’t really help, because those apps aren’t very big anyway.

It was suggested that the patrician might have something to do with this.  I am not sure how to check that or how to do something with it.

Does anyone have any suggestions?  I’m a technology user but not always a person who diagnoses things, but I do want this tablet on Windows 10, and I know it can be done.  There aren’t many programs on it.

If we really want to get technical (and I do ask questions) please write me off list.

Thanks so much!

Jim

 


Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

Jason White
 

Debbie Kessler <jessesgirl@earthlink.net> wrote:
I encourage my students to take notes and we add keystrokes as needed or wanted.

I think it makes good sense to learn to perform frequently occurring tasks
efficiently, then to expand the repertoire to include less frequent
operations. Knowing how to use online help systems effectively is invaluable.
Searching the Web can give answers very quickly. For instance, suppose an
application gives me an error message. I can search the Web for the error
message and thereby find solutions or explanations - not always,
unfortunately, but often enough for this to be a very valuable strategy.


Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

Debbie Kessler
 

I encourage my students to take notes and we add keystrokes as needed or wanted.

DjAndChaz 
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 9, 2016, at 6:57 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Kelly,

          You are indeed correct.   I hasten to add that I do not, and never have, attempted to teach any client the exhaustive list of either JAWS commands or keyboard shortcuts for the Windows programs they're using.   As I pointed out earlier relative to myself, even I don't know anywhere near to all of these.  I let the client's actual needs as I work with them guide just precisely what gets taught in terms of the weird detailed keyboard shortcuts that virtually no sighted person ever uses but that they must use if they wish to independently perform task X.

          I'm also big on the "teach a man or woman to fish" approach to JAWS and Windows, so that when I'm no longer present they are able to do a reasonable amount of digging and exploration on their own.  I do less of this than I'd actually like to because I often have to focus on a list of immediate and pressing needs related to what the client needs to accomplish NOW (or yesterday).

          I will take issue with your statement about blind users and the number of keyboard shortcuts they can manage in their heads.  Virtually every proficient blind computer user I know manages a large number of keyboard shortcuts in their head, far more than I do teaching them, because I learn them to teach them, while they learn them to use them and tend to build upon that list as more and more tasks are required over a period of years.  I'd be shocked if it isn't hundreds, plural, for some of the really, really proficient.

Brian


Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Another way is to use JAWS Help. Use keyboard combinations. If it is a JAWS one, JAWS will tell you what it does.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 10:58 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

Hi, Laura. No question is dumb, especially if you've done your best to find the answer and still haven't found it when you ask the question.

The only way I know to tell if a keystroke is a JAWS command or a Windows keystroke is to get a list of both, and compare. There isn't a way to tell other than to use another screen reader briefly, and see if the keystroke is still active when the alternate screen reader is being used. If the keystroke works when the alternate reader is invoked, the keystroke is probably a Windows keystroke.

Having said this, it is important to read the JAWS materials, and to familiarize yourself with the various key commands used in JAWS.

Keystrokes for Windows are more easily found on the web.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Laura Richardson" <laurakr65@gmail.com>
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching


Hello,

This may seem like a dumb question but I’ll ask it anyway ...... When using keystrokes to perform certain tasks, could someone tell me how I know if that is a Windows keystroke or a Jaws keystroke? I use Windows 7 and Jaws 15.

Laura


-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold [mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net]
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 7:41 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

Brian, I think that we need to know Windows strokes, since we are working in a Windows system, but, as blind users, it is imperative for us to know JAWS specific strokes. That is why, for us, there is so much more to learn to get maximum use from our computers.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 6:13 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

[Edited Message Follows]

Hello All,

What follows is a rather philosophical question but that certainly has practical implications that the cohort will know about a lot more personally than I ever can. Hence this is the place to ask.

When I tutor on using JAWS I do not focus exclusively on JAWS and its keystrokes because JAWS hovers on top of all other Windows programs and assists in using those. My philosophy is that I want my clients to know as many, if not more, keyboard shortcuts that are universally, or very close to universally, applicable in all Windows programs. I want them to know that, in almost all cases, ALT+F opens the file menu or equivalent, followed by S saves a file, followed by A does a Save as, etc.

One of my clients, with whom I had a marathon 3.25 hour tutoring session yesterday, is relatively new to using Windows Live Mail as well as using PDF XChange viewer to perform OCR on the many image PDFs that still get thrown his way. As a result, I worked him through certain tasks step-by-step and create instructions in the same format, examples of which will follow. It was only when we were conversing afterward, and he used the phrase JAWS keyboard shortcuts when talking about conventional Windows keyboard shortcuts that I thought it important that he had at least a basic understanding that keyboard shortcuts do differ in what program layer, JAWS versus a give Windows program, is responsible for the interpretation of same. I want him to understand how to apply Windows keyboard shortcuts "by extension" when he is playing around with a Windows program that's new to him. Is this a mistake to try to make this distinction? Is it unwise to not focus nearly exclusively on JAWS keyboard shortcuts for functions that also exist independently as a different Windows keyboard shortcut? I'd love to get the perspective of those who would know the pluses and minuses of leaning one way or another.

What follows are a couple of examples of the step-by-step instruction sets I've created, and they look more complicated than they actually are because I try to break things down into simple single steps.
Once you know what you're doing most of these tasks can be done in a few moments. I'll include the instructions for running OCR with PDF XChange Viewer because it may be helpful to some here who have decided to play with that program. All focus almost exclusively on using WIndows keyboard shortcuts for the program in question with JAWS serving the role of narrating what's happening while you do this.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Using PDF XChange Viewer to perform OCR on any PDF you receive that is an image PDF, step-by-step:

1. Open PDF XChange Viewer from your start menu.

2. Hit ALT+F,O to bring up the file open browsing dialog.

3. Hit ALT+I to jump directly to the Look In combo box

4. Hit down arrow to get into the area that’s somewhat, but not exactly,
like the tree view in Windows Explorer.

5. Hit L until you hear, “Libraries,” announced.

6. Hit TAB two times, you should hear, “Documents”.

7. Hit SPACEBAR to select the Documents library.

8. Hit ENTER to open the documents library.

9. Hit the first character of the folder or file name you’re trying to
perform OCR on. Keep doing this with the first character until you hear its name announced.

10. Hit Enter to open the file or folder. If you’re
dealing with a file at this step go straight to step 11. Otherwise, do the following

a. If you know the file is in this folder then use the “hit the first
character” technique to locate it and jump to step 11 once you have.

b. If you need to drill down another folder level go back to step 9.

11. Hit ALT+O to open the file in PDF XChange Viewer.

12. Hit CTRL+SHIFT+C to open the OCR dialog box.
Immediately hit ENTER to initiate the OCR processing. The length of time this takes depends on the size of the file being processed. JAWS does not read the processing status box, but will announce the file’s name with star after it when the processing completes. That’s how you’ll know it’s done.

13. Hit ALT+F,S to save the file and its OCR text
into the original file itself.

14. Hit ALT+F4 to close PDF XChange Viewer.




-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------




Creating a new folder in Windows Explorer, step-by-step:

1. Open Windows Explorer and navigate to the folder location in which
you wish to create the new folder.

2. Hit ALT+F,W,F to create the new folder itself.

3. Type in the name you want for the new folder you’re creating.

4. Hit ENTER to make that new name stick, and you’re done.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------




To find a specific e-mail message in WLM, step-by-step:

1. Hit ALT+O,FI which opens the message find submenu

2. You are presented with two choices in this submenu: Find Text and
Find Message. I will cover each of these briefly.

3. Find Text presents a dialog box allows you to enter a word, words, or
phrase that you know is somewhere within the message you’re trying to find.
Simply enter that text and skip to step 5.

4. Find Message presents you with a dialog box with a number of possible
attributes of the message you might want to search on, e.g., Subject, From, To, and others. Tab through and fill in whichever of these attributes you wish to include in the search. After you’ve filled in whichever are pertinent, go to step 5.

5. Hit ALT+I to activate the Find Now key. This will cause a dialog box
to come up with the list of messages that match whatever you searched on, if any exist. These are presented very much like your inbox message list, but are composed only of messages that match the search criteria you entered.
When you hear the one you’re interested in as you move through them, hit ENTER to open it.













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Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

Adrian Spratt
 

The F12 "save" command is a Microsoft control.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold [mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 12:12 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

Usually, JAWS specific strokes are Insert something, or maybe a function key one like F12 for Save As. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I can't recall specifically right now. When I took my training at the Morehead Center in Raleigh, Windows Key commands were listed first, and then JAWS specific ones were shown.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Laura Richardson [mailto:laurakr65@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 10:06 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

Hello,

This may seem like a dumb question but I’ll ask it anyway ...... When using keystrokes to perform certain tasks, could someone tell me how I know if that is a Windows keystroke or a Jaws keystroke? I use Windows 7 and Jaws 15.

Laura


-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold [mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net]
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 7:41 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

Brian, I think that we need to know Windows strokes, since we are working in a Windows system, but, as blind users, it is imperative for us to know JAWS specific strokes. That is why, for us, there is so much more to learn to get maximum use from our computers.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 6:13 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

[Edited Message Follows]

Hello All,

What follows is a rather philosophical question but that certainly has practical implications that the cohort will know about a lot more personally than I ever can. Hence this is the place to ask.

When I tutor on using JAWS I do not focus exclusively on JAWS and its keystrokes because JAWS hovers on top of all other Windows programs and assists in using those. My philosophy is that I want my clients to know as many, if not more, keyboard shortcuts that are universally, or very close to universally, applicable in all Windows programs. I want them to know that, in almost all cases, ALT+F opens the file menu or equivalent, followed by S saves a file, followed by A does a Save as, etc.

One of my clients, with whom I had a marathon 3.25 hour tutoring session yesterday, is relatively new to using Windows Live Mail as well as using PDF XChange viewer to perform OCR on the many image PDFs that still get thrown his way. As a result, I worked him through certain tasks step-by-step and create instructions in the same format, examples of which will follow. It was only when we were conversing afterward, and he used the phrase JAWS keyboard shortcuts when talking about conventional Windows keyboard shortcuts that I thought it important that he had at least a basic understanding that keyboard shortcuts do differ in what program layer, JAWS versus a give Windows program, is responsible for the interpretation of same. I want him to understand how to apply Windows keyboard shortcuts "by extension" when he is playing around with a Windows program that's new to him. Is this a mistake to try to make this distinction? Is it unwise to not focus nearly exclusively on JAWS keyboard shortcuts for functions that also exist independently as a different Windows keyboard shortcut? I'd love to get the perspective of those who would know the pluses and minuses of leaning one way or another.

What follows are a couple of examples of the step-by-step instruction sets I've created, and they look more complicated than they actually are because I try to break things down into simple single steps. Once you know what you're doing most of these tasks can be done in a few moments. I'll include the instructions for running OCR with PDF XChange Viewer because it may be helpful to some here who have decided to play with that program. All focus almost exclusively on using WIndows keyboard shortcuts for the program in question with JAWS serving the role of narrating what's happening while you do this.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Using PDF XChange Viewer to perform OCR on any PDF you receive that is an image PDF, step-by-step:

1. Open PDF XChange Viewer from your start menu.

2. Hit ALT+F,O to bring up the file open browsing dialog.

3. Hit ALT+I to jump directly to the Look In combo box

4. Hit down arrow to get into the area that’s somewhat, but not exactly, like the tree view in Windows Explorer.

5. Hit L until you hear, “Libraries,” announced.

6. Hit TAB two times, you should hear, “Documents”.

7. Hit SPACEBAR to select the Documents library.

8. Hit ENTER to open the documents library.

9. Hit the first character of the folder or file name you’re trying to perform OCR on. Keep doing this with the first character until you hear its name announced.

10. Hit Enter to open the file or folder. If you’re dealing with a file at this step go straight to step 11. Otherwise, do the following

a. If you know the file is in this folder then use the “hit the first character” technique to locate it and jump to step 11 once you have.

b. If you need to drill down another folder level go back to step 9.

11. Hit ALT+O to open the file in PDF XChange Viewer.

12. Hit CTRL+SHIFT+C to open the OCR dialog box. Immediately hit ENTER to initiate the OCR processing. The length of time this takes depends on the size of the file being processed. JAWS does not read the processing status box, but will announce the file’s name with star after it when the processing completes. That’s how you’ll know it’s done.

13. Hit ALT+F,S to save the file and its OCR text into the original file itself.

14. Hit ALT+F4 to close PDF XChange Viewer.




-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------




Creating a new folder in Windows Explorer, step-by-step:

1. Open Windows Explorer and navigate to the folder location in which you wish to create the new folder.

2. Hit ALT+F,W,F to create the new folder itself.

3. Type in the name you want for the new folder you’re creating.

4. Hit ENTER to make that new name stick, and you’re done.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------




To find a specific e-mail message in WLM, step-by-step:

1. Hit ALT+O,FI which opens the message find submenu

2. You are presented with two choices in this submenu: Find Text and Find Message. I will cover each of these briefly.

3. Find Text presents a dialog box allows you to enter a word, words, or phrase that you know is somewhere within the message you’re trying to find. Simply enter that text and skip to step 5.

4. Find Message presents you with a dialog box with a number of possible attributes of the message you might want to search on, e.g., Subject, From, To, and others. Tab through and fill in whichever of these attributes you wish to include in the search. After you’ve filled in whichever are pertinent, go to step 5.

5. Hit ALT+I to activate the Find Now key. This will cause a dialog box to come up with the list of messages that match whatever you searched on, if any exist. These are presented very much like your inbox message list, but are composed only of messages that match the search criteria you entered. When you hear the one you’re interested in as you move through them, hit ENTER to open it.


Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Usually, JAWS specific strokes are Insert something, or maybe a function key one like F12 for Save As. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I can't recall specifically right now. When I took my training at the Morehead Center in Raleigh, Windows Key commands were listed first, and then JAWS specific ones were shown.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Laura Richardson [mailto:laurakr65@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 10:06 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

Hello,

This may seem like a dumb question but I’ll ask it anyway ...... When using keystrokes to perform certain tasks, could someone tell me how I know if that is a Windows keystroke or a Jaws keystroke? I use Windows 7 and Jaws 15.

Laura


-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold [mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net]
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 7:41 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

Brian, I think that we need to know Windows strokes, since we are working in a Windows system, but, as blind users, it is imperative for us to know JAWS specific strokes. That is why, for us, there is so much more to learn to get maximum use from our computers.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 6:13 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

[Edited Message Follows]

Hello All,

What follows is a rather philosophical question but that certainly has practical implications that the cohort will know about a lot more personally than I ever can. Hence this is the place to ask.

When I tutor on using JAWS I do not focus exclusively on JAWS and its keystrokes because JAWS hovers on top of all other Windows programs and assists in using those. My philosophy is that I want my clients to know as many, if not more, keyboard shortcuts that are universally, or very close to universally, applicable in all Windows programs. I want them to know that, in almost all cases, ALT+F opens the file menu or equivalent, followed by S saves a file, followed by A does a Save as, etc.

One of my clients, with whom I had a marathon 3.25 hour tutoring session yesterday, is relatively new to using Windows Live Mail as well as using PDF XChange viewer to perform OCR on the many image PDFs that still get thrown his way. As a result, I worked him through certain tasks step-by-step and create instructions in the same format, examples of which will follow. It was only when we were conversing afterward, and he used the phrase JAWS keyboard shortcuts when talking about conventional Windows keyboard shortcuts that I thought it important that he had at least a basic understanding that keyboard shortcuts do differ in what program layer, JAWS versus a give Windows program, is responsible for the interpretation of same. I want him to understand how to apply Windows keyboard shortcuts "by extension" when he is playing around with a Windows program that's new to him. Is this a mistake to try to make this distinction? Is it unwise to not focus nearly exclusively on JAWS keyboard shortcuts for functions that also exist independently as a different Windows keyboard shortcut? I'd love to get the perspective of those who would know the pluses and minuses of leaning one way or another.

What follows are a couple of examples of the step-by-step instruction sets I've created, and they look more complicated than they actually are because I try to break things down into simple single steps. Once you know what you're doing most of these tasks can be done in a few moments. I'll include the instructions for running OCR with PDF XChange Viewer because it may be helpful to some here who have decided to play with that program. All focus almost exclusively on using WIndows keyboard shortcuts for the program in question with JAWS serving the role of narrating what's happening while you do this.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Using PDF XChange Viewer to perform OCR on any PDF you receive that is an image PDF, step-by-step:

1. Open PDF XChange Viewer from your start menu.

2. Hit ALT+F,O to bring up the file open browsing dialog.

3. Hit ALT+I to jump directly to the Look In combo box

4. Hit down arrow to get into the area that’s somewhat, but not exactly, like the tree view in Windows Explorer.

5. Hit L until you hear, “Libraries,” announced.

6. Hit TAB two times, you should hear, “Documents”.

7. Hit SPACEBAR to select the Documents library.

8. Hit ENTER to open the documents library.

9. Hit the first character of the folder or file name you’re trying to perform OCR on. Keep doing this with the first character until you hear its name announced.

10. Hit Enter to open the file or folder. If you’re dealing with a file at this step go straight to step 11. Otherwise, do the following

a. If you know the file is in this folder then use the “hit the first character” technique to locate it and jump to step 11 once you have.

b. If you need to drill down another folder level go back to step 9.

11. Hit ALT+O to open the file in PDF XChange Viewer.

12. Hit CTRL+SHIFT+C to open the OCR dialog box. Immediately hit ENTER to initiate the OCR processing. The length of time this takes depends on the size of the file being processed. JAWS does not read the processing status box, but will announce the file’s name with star after it when the processing completes. That’s how you’ll know it’s done.

13. Hit ALT+F,S to save the file and its OCR text into the original file itself.

14. Hit ALT+F4 to close PDF XChange Viewer.




-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------




Creating a new folder in Windows Explorer, step-by-step:

1. Open Windows Explorer and navigate to the folder location in which you wish to create the new folder.

2. Hit ALT+F,W,F to create the new folder itself.

3. Type in the name you want for the new folder you’re creating.

4. Hit ENTER to make that new name stick, and you’re done.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------




To find a specific e-mail message in WLM, step-by-step:

1. Hit ALT+O,FI which opens the message find submenu

2. You are presented with two choices in this submenu: Find Text and Find Message. I will cover each of these briefly.

3. Find Text presents a dialog box allows you to enter a word, words, or phrase that you know is somewhere within the message you’re trying to find. Simply enter that text and skip to step 5.

4. Find Message presents you with a dialog box with a number of possible attributes of the message you might want to search on, e.g., Subject, From, To, and others. Tab through and fill in whichever of these attributes you wish to include in the search. After you’ve filled in whichever are pertinent, go to step 5.

5. Hit ALT+I to activate the Find Now key. This will cause a dialog box to come up with the list of messages that match whatever you searched on, if any exist. These are presented very much like your inbox message list, but are composed only of messages that match the search criteria you entered. When you hear the one you’re interested in as you move through them, hit ENTER to open it.


Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Thanks. That clarifies the difference.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul D. J. Jenkins [mailto:pdjj6123@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 9:28 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

In most applications, (and in all of the ones I have worked in that use Microsoft Office), control N makes a new file. A folder is the place where files go. As a comparison, think of each file as a book, and each folder as the bookshelf on which a particular set of books are sitting.

I hope this helps,

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold [mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net]
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 20:49
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

Question? Doesn't just plain Control-N make a new folder?

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Portillo [mailto:portillo.jim@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 6:56 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

Wow! I love this list because I truly learn something.

I appreciate that keystroke for making a new folder. Thank you very much!!





From: Martin Blackwell via Groups.io [mailto:taoman1=yahoo.com@groups.io]
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 3:39 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching



Hi,



Good post. That�s pretty much what I do as well. I end up teaching a lot more Windows shortcuts than JAWS shortcuts. People want to get things done in their applications. To me, Windows shortcuts are far more likely to be valuable, as I think you are saying. That is not to say that one can ignore JAWS commands though.



And I usually teach the Windows shortcut for creating folders (Control Shift N) for recent versions of Windows instead of the menu way.







From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 3:13 PM
To: jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching



[Edited Message Follows]

Hello All,

What follows is a rather philosophical question but that certainly has practical implications that the cohort will know about a lot more personally than I ever can. Hence this is the place to ask.

When I tutor on using JAWS I do not focus exclusively on JAWS and its keystrokes because JAWS hovers on top of all other Windows programs and assists in using those. My philosophy is that I want my clients to know as many, if not more, keyboard shortcuts that are universally, or very close to universally, applicable in all Windows programs. I want them to know that, in almost all cases, ALT+F opens the file menu or equivalent, followed by S saves a file, followed by A does a Save as, etc.

One of my clients, with whom I had a marathon 3.25 hour tutoring session yesterday, is relatively new to using Windows Live Mail as well as using PDF XChange viewer to perform OCR on the many image PDFs that still get thrown his way. As a result, I worked him through certain tasks step-by-step and create instructions in the same format, examples of which will follow. It was only when we were conversing afterward, and he used the phrase JAWS keyboard shortcuts when talking about conventional Windows keyboard shortcuts that I thought it important that he had at least a basic understanding that keyboard shortcuts do differ in what program layer, JAWS versus a give Windows program, is responsible for the interpretation of same. I want him to understand how to apply Windows keyboard shortcuts "by extension" when he is playing around with a Windows program that's new to him. Is this a mistake to try to make this distinction? Is it unwise to not focus nearly exclusively on JAWS keyboard shortcuts for functions that also exist independently as a different Windows keyboard shortcut? I'd love to get the perspective of those who would know the pluses and minuses of leaning one way or another.

What follows are a couple of examples of the step-by-step instruction sets I've created, and they look more complicated than they actually are because I try to break things down into simple single steps. Once you know what you're doing most of these tasks can be done in a few moments. I'll include the instructions for running OCR with PDF XChange Viewer because it may be helpful to some here who have decided to play with that program. All focus almost exclusively on using WIndows keyboard shortcuts for the program in question with JAWS serving the role of narrating what's happening while you do this.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Using PDF XChange Viewer to perform OCR on any PDF you receive that is an image PDF, step-by-step:

1. Open PDF XChange Viewer from your start menu.

2. Hit ALT+F,O to bring up the file open browsing dialog.

3. Hit ALT+I to jump directly to the Look In combo box

4. Hit down arrow to get into the area that�s somewhat, but not exactly, like the tree view in Windows Explorer.

5. Hit L until you hear, �Libraries,� announced.

6. Hit TAB two times, you should hear, �Documents�.

7. Hit SPACEBAR to select the Documents library.

8. Hit ENTER to open the documents library.

9. Hit the first character of the folder or file name you�re trying to perform OCR on. Keep doing this with the first character until you hear its name announced.

10. Hit Enter to open the file or folder. If you�re dealing with a file at this step go straight to step 11. Otherwise, do the following

a. If you know the file is in this folder then use the �hit the first character� technique to locate it and jump to step 11 once you have.

b. If you need to drill down another folder level go back to step 9.

11. Hit ALT+O to open the file in PDF XChange Viewer.

12. Hit CTRL+SHIFT+C to open the OCR dialog box. Immediately hit ENTER to initiate the OCR processing. The length of time this takes depends on the size of the file being processed. JAWS does not read the processing status box, but will announce the file�s name with star after it when the processing completes. That�s how you�ll know it�s done.

13. Hit ALT+F,S to save the file and its OCR text into the original file itself.

14. Hit ALT+F4 to close PDF XChange Viewer.



-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Creating a new folder in Windows Explorer, step-by-step:

1. Open Windows Explorer and navigate to the folder location in which you wish to create the new folder.

2. Hit ALT+F,W,F to create the new folder itself.

3. Type in the name you want for the new folder you�re creating.

4. Hit ENTER to make that new name stick, and you�re done.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------



To find a specific e-mail message in WLM, step-by-step:

1. Hit ALT+O,FI which opens the message find submenu

2. You are presented with two choices in this submenu: Find Text and Find Message. I will cover each of these briefly.

3. Find Text presents a dialog box allows you to enter a word, words, or phrase that you know is somewhere within the message you�re trying to find. Simply enter that text and skip to step 5.

4. Find Message presents you with a dialog box with a number of possible attributes of the message you might want to search on, e.g., Subject, From, To, and others. Tab through and fill in whichever of these attributes you wish to include in the search. After you�ve filled in whichever are pertinent, go to step 5.

5. Hit ALT+I to activate the Find Now key. This will cause a dialog box to come up with the list of messages that match whatever you searched on, if any exist. These are presented very much like your inbox message list, but are composed only of messages that match the search criteria you entered. When you hear the one you�re interested in as you move through them, hit ENTER to open it.


Digest once per day

Larry Watkinson <lwatkinson@...>
 

Can I get only one digest for 24 hours as I am getting the digest about every four messages and at least three per day.

 

Thanks.

 

Larry Watkinson


Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

James Malone
 

Hi, Laura, The Jaws keyboard strokes center around the insert key for a desktop, and Caps lock in laptop modes. Using the Alt or control key depending on the two keys such as control plus P to bring up the print dialog box unless you're in FS reader is a windows command. I also want to explain that Word also have their own reading commands that is not related to Jaws, but could be considered a windows command because both Jaws and Window-Eyes along with other screen readers uses these commands.
I've worked with Window-Eyes, and System access, and they both have their own interpolation of the insert key, and also have their own layout for both laptop and desktop. System Access however has followed in the footsteps of Freedom, and has stuck with the Insert key. Don't know how they handled the Laptop mode though.

-----Original Message-----
From: Laura Richardson [mailto:laurakr65@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 7:06 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

Hello,

This may seem like a dumb question but I’ll ask it anyway ...... When using keystrokes to perform certain tasks, could someone tell me how I know if that is a Windows keystroke or a Jaws keystroke? I use Windows 7 and Jaws 15.

Laura


-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold [mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net]
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 7:41 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

Brian, I think that we need to know Windows strokes, since we are working in a Windows system, but, as blind users, it is imperative for us to know JAWS specific strokes. That is why, for us, there is so much more to learn to get maximum use from our computers.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 6:13 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Views on Keyboard Shortcuts to teach or, perhaps, emphasize when teaching

[Edited Message Follows]

Hello All,

What follows is a rather philosophical question but that certainly has practical implications that the cohort will know about a lot more personally than I ever can. Hence this is the place to ask.

When I tutor on using JAWS I do not focus exclusively on JAWS and its keystrokes because JAWS hovers on top of all other Windows programs and assists in using those. My philosophy is that I want my clients to know as many, if not more, keyboard shortcuts that are universally, or very close to universally, applicable in all Windows programs. I want them to know that, in almost all cases, ALT+F opens the file menu or equivalent, followed by S saves a file, followed by A does a Save as, etc.

One of my clients, with whom I had a marathon 3.25 hour tutoring session yesterday, is relatively new to using Windows Live Mail as well as using PDF XChange viewer to perform OCR on the many image PDFs that still get thrown his way. As a result, I worked him through certain tasks step-by-step and create instructions in the same format, examples of which will follow. It was only when we were conversing afterward, and he used the phrase JAWS keyboard shortcuts when talking about conventional Windows keyboard shortcuts that I thought it important that he had at least a basic understanding that keyboard shortcuts do differ in what program layer, JAWS versus a give Windows program, is responsible for the interpretation of same. I want him to understand how to apply Windows keyboard shortcuts "by extension" when he is playing around with a Windows program that's new to him. Is this a mistake to try to make this distinction? Is it unwise to not focus nearly exclusively on JAWS keyboard shortcuts for functions that also exist independently as a different Windows keyboard shortcut? I'd love to get the perspective of those who would know the pluses and minuses of leaning one way or another.

What follows are a couple of examples of the step-by-step instruction sets I've created, and they look more complicated than they actually are because I try to break things down into simple single steps. Once you know what you're doing most of these tasks can be done in a few moments. I'll include the instructions for running OCR with PDF XChange Viewer because it may be helpful to some here who have decided to play with that program. All focus almost exclusively on using WIndows keyboard shortcuts for the program in question with JAWS serving the role of narrating what's happening while you do this.

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Using PDF XChange Viewer to perform OCR on any PDF you receive that is an image PDF, step-by-step:

1. Open PDF XChange Viewer from your start menu.

2. Hit ALT+F,O to bring up the file open browsing dialog.

3. Hit ALT+I to jump directly to the Look In combo box

4. Hit down arrow to get into the area that’s somewhat, but not exactly, like the tree view in Windows Explorer.

5. Hit L until you hear, “Libraries,” announced.

6. Hit TAB two times, you should hear, “Documents”.

7. Hit SPACEBAR to select the Documents library.

8. Hit ENTER to open the documents library.

9. Hit the first character of the folder or file name you’re trying to perform OCR on. Keep doing this with the first character until you hear its name announced.

10. Hit Enter to open the file or folder. If you’re dealing with a file at this step go straight to step 11. Otherwise, do the following

a. If you know the file is in this folder then use the “hit the first character” technique to locate it and jump to step 11 once you have.

b. If you need to drill down another folder level go back to step 9.

11. Hit ALT+O to open the file in PDF XChange Viewer.

12. Hit CTRL+SHIFT+C to open the OCR dialog box. Immediately hit ENTER to initiate the OCR processing. The length of time this takes depends on the size of the file being processed. JAWS does not read the processing status box, but will announce the file’s name with star after it when the processing completes. That’s how you’ll know it’s done.

13. Hit ALT+F,S to save the file and its OCR text into the original file itself.

14. Hit ALT+F4 to close PDF XChange Viewer.




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Creating a new folder in Windows Explorer, step-by-step:

1. Open Windows Explorer and navigate to the folder location in which you wish to create the new folder.

2. Hit ALT+F,W,F to create the new folder itself.

3. Type in the name you want for the new folder you’re creating.

4. Hit ENTER to make that new name stick, and you’re done.

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To find a specific e-mail message in WLM, step-by-step:

1. Hit ALT+O,FI which opens the message find submenu

2. You are presented with two choices in this submenu: Find Text and Find Message. I will cover each of these briefly.

3. Find Text presents a dialog box allows you to enter a word, words, or phrase that you know is somewhere within the message you’re trying to find. Simply enter that text and skip to step 5.

4. Find Message presents you with a dialog box with a number of possible attributes of the message you might want to search on, e.g., Subject, From, To, and others. Tab through and fill in whichever of these attributes you wish to include in the search. After you’ve filled in whichever are pertinent, go to step 5.

5. Hit ALT+I to activate the Find Now key. This will cause a dialog box to come up with the list of messages that match whatever you searched on, if any exist. These are presented very much like your inbox message list, but are composed only of messages that match the search criteria you entered. When you hear the one you’re interested in as you move through them, hit ENTER to open it.


Re: Outlook 2016 Issue

Cindy Ray <cindyray@...>
 

Let me say a little more about this. So I tab over to the folders and I go down to my Spam because there is something I need to find. I hit enter on it; then I tab over and the inbox stuff is still what I am seeing. Sorry I did not mention it before.

Cindy Lou

 

 

From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:Adrian@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 10:07 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook 2016 Issue

 

I’m not sure if I’m missing something here, but this is how to navigate into a folder’s message list. go down the list of folders with first-letter navigation or the down arrow key. Once at the desired folder, press enter, then tab to the list.

 

From: Cindy Ray [mailto:cindyray@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 9:39 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Outlook 2016 Issue

 

I am using Windows 10, Outlook 2016, and JAWS17. I have set up some folders, originally hoping that I could get messages to go there. I never did, but I could move things to those folders, thus not having so much in my in-box. Now I can read the folders, but I can’t enter any of them, nor can I enter my Spam folder, sent folder—none of them. I was wondering what I ought to be checking to see what is wrong. I’ve heard some messages come in that I can’t find; I’m not seeing messages from people I know have sent me some. It is wearing out my patience.

Thanks for your help.

Cindy Lou Ray

 


Re: Outlook 2016 Issue

Cindy Ray <cindyray@...>
 

Yeah, it doesn’t work. It did at one time, but it doesn’t now.

Thanks.

Cindy

 

 

 

From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:Adrian@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 10:07 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook 2016 Issue

 

I’m not sure if I’m missing something here, but this is how to navigate into a folder’s message list. go down the list of folders with first-letter navigation or the down arrow key. Once at the desired folder, press enter, then tab to the list.

 

From: Cindy Ray [mailto:cindyray@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 9:39 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Outlook 2016 Issue

 

I am using Windows 10, Outlook 2016, and JAWS17. I have set up some folders, originally hoping that I could get messages to go there. I never did, but I could move things to those folders, thus not having so much in my in-box. Now I can read the folders, but I can’t enter any of them, nor can I enter my Spam folder, sent folder—none of them. I was wondering what I ought to be checking to see what is wrong. I’ve heard some messages come in that I can’t find; I’m not seeing messages from people I know have sent me some. It is wearing out my patience.

Thanks for your help.

Cindy Lou Ray

 


Re: JAWS and Focus when closing Windows

 

Adrian,

        Thanks.  I'll try the JAWS Key+T so that I can hear JAWS tell us what program has focus.

        Beware the ALT+Spacebar, then X command, though.  That only works if you actually have focus on that minimized window, and that's seldom the case if you minimize something with other programs also open.  Windows generally throws focus immediately on to one of your other open windows, so it doesn't work, or at least it doesn't on my computer without JAWS running.  When I use the minimize keystrokes to minimize the Chrome window from which I'm composing this message, focus is immediately thrown on to my Firefox window and the next ALT+Spacebar brings up the same context menu for the Firefox window, and since that's already maximized the Maximize option is stippled out and the plus X step simply dismisses that context menu.

         The ALT+TAB technique effectively gets around the maximized/minimized state anyway since it causes whatever window you choose using it to receive focus, be brought to the front of all other open windows, and be maximized all at the same time.

Brian


Re: Outlook 2016 Issue

Adrian Spratt
 

I’m not sure if I’m missing something here, but this is how to navigate into a folder’s message list. go down the list of folders with first-letter navigation or the down arrow key. Once at the desired folder, press enter, then tab to the list.

 

From: Cindy Ray [mailto:cindyray@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 9:39 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Outlook 2016 Issue

 

I am using Windows 10, Outlook 2016, and JAWS17. I have set up some folders, originally hoping that I could get messages to go there. I never did, but I could move things to those folders, thus not having so much in my in-box. Now I can read the folders, but I can’t enter any of them, nor can I enter my Spam folder, sent folder—none of them. I was wondering what I ought to be checking to see what is wrong. I’ve heard some messages come in that I can’t find; I’m not seeing messages from people I know have sent me some. It is wearing out my patience.

Thanks for your help.

Cindy Lou Ray

 


Re: JAWS and Focus when closing Windows

Adrian Spratt
 

JAWS key+t tells you the name of the application and document in the current window.

 

Alt-spacebar, then x, maximizes a reduced window.

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 10:40 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: JAWS and Focus when closing Windows

 

Hello All,

           I may, perhaps, already have the answer to this question in the ALT+TAB windows command, but thought I'd ask if there is another way.

           I have begun to notice that when you have multiple Windows programs running, and when you use ALT+F4 to exit a given program window, it is virtually impossible to tell visually (for me) or otherwise (for the client) what has focus once that program is closed.  As often as not it seems like the OS itself, rather than any one program, gains focus when a single program of a collection you have running has closed.  I have been simply using ALT+TAB to force focus back to where I want it, which works, but I am also curious as to what actually has focus before doing that.

           Also, and unrelated, the Windows keyboard shortcut to minimize an active window is ALT+SPACEBAR followed by N.  It took me forever to find this one.  I know about WinKey+M to minimize every open window and WinKey+DownArrow, which appears to sometimes minimize the window but other times behaves like a restore down, which means the window is actually reduced in size when it comes back up.  That often proves to be very problematic for your friendly, sighted assistant, just so you know. (place winking smile emoticon here).

Brian