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Re: F123.org.

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 


Hi, Brian. I couldn't view any of these buttons with JAWS and Internet Explorer.
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Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: F123.org.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 07:16 am, Nermin <voy44@...> wrote:
there seems to be no language selection available on the Portuguese front page.

 Nermin,

           There is actually a language selection on the page, but based on my experiences with pages that have multiple language versions it is a bit peculiar.  Most that I've ever dealt with have what looks like a series of small flags across the top of the page that I think of as "buttons" that correspond to the language you want to have displayed.

            On the f123.org main page there is a drop down menu that's positioned over on the right that, when you hover over it shows the link http://f123.org/# in the status bar and that corresponds to the page in Portuguese and also shows a dropdown list that includes the languages English, French, and Spanish (with French an Spanish written in their respective native languages, of course).

Brian



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Re: Advanced Searching in Outlook 2010 - Opinions Sought

Adrian Spratt
 

I’ve just tested Londa’s method. The following steps will find messages with attachments in Outlook 2010, and JAWS verbalizes each step :

 

Place focus at the desired message list.

Control-shift-f once to the “Categories” button.

Do not press enter, even though there’s an ellipsis inviting you to do so. Instead, press tab three times.

You land in a checkbox labeled Only items with…” Press spacebar.

Tab once, and “One or more attachments” is the first item in the combo box.

Press enter.

Wait for JAWS to announce “Find Now,” then press F6 to enter the list of search results.

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 11:29 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Advanced Searching in Outlook 2010 - Opinions Sought

 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 08:20 am, Londa Peterson <lpeterson@...> wrote:

Then I can type the first letter, or several letters if I want, and I'll get fairly close. Hope this helps.

 Londa,

           Is there a trick to getting several letters to work?   I have never been able, on any version of JAWS I've worked with, to get it to recognize the second through nth characters of a file name.  This would be so handy such that if you knew you had a file named file1.txt and file2.txt that you could type in file2 and have JAWS zoom right to the correct one.

           One of the reasons I've started teaching clients how to use Search Everything and the Copy-Paste technique of attaching files is because it's just far less tedious when they know enough of a file name to get search results that are either the single file or very few files, and those will be found anywhere they happen to be on the computer.  The amount of time saved with navigating via browsing when the files in question are nowhere near each other in the folder tree is huge.

Brian 


Re: Stopping email from the list

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

Thanks Brian.

I will confirm my going no mail here in a minute, but just wanted to write to give thanks and I will save these steps.

 

I need to be reading my college books more, instead of all of these emails lol.

 

See everyone in March!

 

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 7:55 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Stopping email from the list

 

Kimsan,

          Unless I'm mistaken, it sounds like you're trying to gain access to the online forum via clicking a link in the e-mail digest.  I really can't speak to that since I stopped getting the e-mail digests long ago.  Since the original poster mentioned "continue access to the site" that makes me think that he is accessing everything through the forums website, not the digest.

          From earlier threads, I think that if your sole access has been via the e-mail digest before the advent of the forums website, you will have to set up a password for the website when you first attempt to access it.  I cannot say exactly what's going to pop-up on your first login attempt since it's been too long since I did mine.  That being said, I'm going to attempt to step-by-step you to logging in to the site to find the options I've spoken of:

  1. Enter https://groups.io/login in your web browser of choice (or click on the link in this step).
  2. On the login page, enter your e-mail ID and password or use one of the link "buttons" at the bottom of the screen to have yourself sent a login link or sign in with Facebook or Google.
  3. Once logged in, you will be presented with the Groups page, in my case the only group is jfw, and I click on the link that's right next to the checkbox for the group to be taken directly to the jfw main groups page.
  4. On the jfw main groups page you have a menu of sorts down the left side of the screen with its choices labeled:
    • Home 
    • Messages
    • Post
    • Poll
    • Wiki
    • Hangout
    • Subscription
  5. That same menu is carried over if you go to the Messages page, which is where I spend pretty much all of my time.  Selecting the Subscription option from whatever page you are on leads to the page that shows the group e-mail address, date you subscribed, and the e-mail options followed by the radio buttons to select your preferred option, and a "Save" or "Unsubscribe" button at the very bottom.

 

Brian


Re: Advanced Searching in Outlook 2010 - Opinions Sought

 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 08:20 am, Londa Peterson <lpeterson@...> wrote:
Then I can type the first letter, or several letters if I want, and I'll get fairly close. Hope this helps.

 Londa,

           Is there a trick to getting several letters to work?   I have never been able, on any version of JAWS I've worked with, to get it to recognize the second through nth characters of a file name.  This would be so handy such that if you knew you had a file named file1.txt and file2.txt that you could type in file2 and have JAWS zoom right to the correct one.

           One of the reasons I've started teaching clients how to use Search Everything and the Copy-Paste technique of attaching files is because it's just far less tedious when they know enough of a file name to get search results that are either the single file or very few files, and those will be found anywhere they happen to be on the computer.  The amount of time saved with navigating via browsing when the files in question are nowhere near each other in the folder tree is huge.

Brian 


Re: Advanced Searching in Outlook 2010 - Opinions Sought

Londa Peterson
 

 It would certainly be easier if that worked. My solution is to press shift + tab until I get to the list view. Then I can type the first letter, or several letters if I want, and I'll get fairly close. Hope this helps.

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 11:15 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Advanced Searching in Outlook 2010 - Opinions Sought

 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 08:08 am, Londa Peterson <lpeterson@...> wrote:

The other possibility, now that I think of it, is that I'm using Outlook 2007 here. I'll try it on my machine that has 2013 and see if it behaves any differently.

Londa,

            Thanks so much.  What will be funny is if it behaves the same way in 2013, because what I'm using with this client and what I have on my own machine and this client has on hers.

            Over time I've actually been surprised at what JAWS chooses, and doesn't choose, to read at various points.  In JAWS 14 (I haven't retried in JAWS 17) if you are in a browse dialog and entered the first character or two of a file name you typically get the equivalent of a dropdown box that lists all the files in that folder that begin with those characters.  However, when you use down arrow to go through that list of files JAWS did not say a blessed thing.  If ever there were a place where announcement is needed, that's it.

Brian


Re: Advanced Searching in Outlook 2010 - Opinions Sought

 
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On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 08:08 am, Londa Peterson <lpeterson@...> wrote:
The other possibility, now that I think of it, is that I'm using Outlook 2007 here. I'll try it on my machine that has 2013 and see if it behaves any differently.

Londa,

            Thanks so much.  What will be funny is if it behaves the same way in 2013, because what I'm using with this client and what I have on my own machine is Outlook 2010.

            Over time I've actually been surprised at what JAWS chooses, and doesn't choose, to read at various points.  In JAWS 14 (I haven't retried in JAWS 17) if you are in a browse dialog and entered the first character or two of a file name you typically get the equivalent of a dropdown box that lists all the files in that folder that begin with those characters.  However, when you use down arrow to go through that list of files JAWS did not say a blessed thing.  If ever there were a place where announcement is needed, that's it.

Brian


Re: Advanced Searching in Outlook 2010 - Opinions Sought

Londa Peterson
 

 Well, the fact that you don't see the change probably explains why JAWS doesn't read it. That's so strange. Try tabbing after you press the control tab and see if it changes then. The other possibility, now that I think of it, is that I'm using Outlook 2007 here. I'll try it on my machine that has 2013 and see if it behaves any differently.

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 10:15 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Advanced Searching in Outlook 2010 - Opinions Sought

 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 05:51 am, Londa Peterson <lpeterson@...> wrote:

Control Tab works from anywhere in the box. The only trouble is that JAWS doesn't speak the change.

 I'll have to try this again.  Not only does it not speak the change, it doesn't cause Windows to show that the tab has changed, either.  It does show the tab change if you are sitting on one of the tab headings and hit CTRL+TAB then.

When JAWS neither speaks nor causes Windows to show were you've jumped to you're more than a little in limbo, whether you can see or not.  We're also still using beginner level verbosity, too.

Brian


Re: F123.org.

 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 07:16 am, Nermin <voy44@...> wrote:
there seems to be no language selection available on the Portuguese front page.

 Nermin,

           There is actually a language selection on the page, but based on my experiences with pages that have multiple language versions it is a bit peculiar.  Most that I've ever dealt with have what looks like a series of small flags across the top of the page that I think of as "buttons" that correspond to the language you want to have displayed.

            On the f123.org main page there is a drop down menu that's positioned over on the right that, when you hover over it shows the link http://f123.org/# in the status bar and that corresponds to the page in Portuguese and also shows a dropdown list that includes the languages English, French, and Spanish (with French an Spanish written in their respective native languages, of course).

Brian


Re: Stopping email from the list

 

Kimsan,

          Unless I'm mistaken, it sounds like you're trying to gain access to the online forum via clicking a link in the e-mail digest.  I really can't speak to that since I stopped getting the e-mail digests long ago.  Since the original poster mentioned "continue access to the site" that makes me think that he is accessing everything through the forums website, not the digest.

          From earlier threads, I think that if your sole access has been via the e-mail digest before the advent of the forums website, you will have to set up a password for the website when you first attempt to access it.  I cannot say exactly what's going to pop-up on your first login attempt since it's been too long since I did mine.  That being said, I'm going to attempt to step-by-step you to logging in to the site to find the options I've spoken of:

  1. Enter https://groups.io/login in your web browser of choice (or click on the link in this step).
  2. On the login page, enter your e-mail ID and password or use one of the link "buttons" at the bottom of the screen to have yourself sent a login link or sign in with Facebook or Google.
  3. Once logged in, you will be presented with the Groups page, in my case the only group is jfw, and I click on the link that's right next to the checkbox for the group to be taken directly to the jfw main groups page.
  4. On the jfw main groups page you have a menu of sorts down the left side of the screen with its choices labeled:
    • Home 
    • Messages
    • Post
    • Poll
    • Wiki
    • Hangout
    • Subscription
  5. That same menu is carried over if you go to the Messages page, which is where I spend pretty much all of my time.  Selecting the Subscription option from whatever page you are on leads to the page that shows the group e-mail address, date you subscribed, and the e-mail options followed by the radio buttons to select your preferred option, and a "Save" or "Unsubscribe" button at the very bottom.


Brian


Re: A guide to the Taskbar on Windows 10

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

David, this is great, and on my Desktop it is sitting to help me along the way. Thanks. It is concise and makes perfect sense.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: David Bailes [mailto:david_bailes@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 6:48 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: A guide to the Taskbar on Windows 10

I've written a guide to the Taskbar on Windows 10. It covers the Start menu, search, Cortana, the taskbar buttons, the notification area, and notifications. It's available here:
http://vip.chowo.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/jaws/Taskbar-10-Guide.html

Any feedback is welcome,
David.


Re: F123.org.

Nermin
 

Hi,

actually, no translation is needed, here is their English page:
http://f123.org/en/
I wonder why I had to google that, since there seems to be no language selection available on the Portuguese front page.

Regards,
Nermin


Re: Advanced Searching in Outlook 2010 - Opinions Sought

 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 05:51 am, Londa Peterson <lpeterson@...> wrote:
Control Tab works from anywhere in the box. The only trouble is that JAWS doesn't speak the change.

 I'll have to try this again.  Not only does it not speak the change, it doesn't cause Windows to show that the tab has changed, either.  It does show the tab change if you are sitting on one of the tab headings and hit CTRL+TAB then.

When JAWS neither speaks nor causes Windows to show were you've jumped to you're more than a little in limbo, whether you can see or not.  We're also still using beginner level verbosity, too.

Brian


Re: F123.org.

Dave...
 

Portuguese. You can use Ding to translate the entire page.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill White" <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 07:04 AM
Subject: Re: F123.org.


Hi, Tim and Maria. I went to f123.org, and I didn't see any link for English
either. What language is this? Sounded a little like German to me.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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From: "Maria Campbell" <lucky1@ct.metrocast.net>
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: F123.org.


How can anyone know what it's all about?
I don't think I heard anything about English?


On 1/22/2016 7:22 AM, Tim Ford wrote:
This screen reader accessibility project is the subject of this week’s
Eyes on Success podcast. Has anyone used the service?
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Re: F123.org.

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Tim and Maria. I went to f123.org, and I didn't see any link for English either. What language is this? Sounded a little like German to me.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Maria Campbell" <lucky1@ct.metrocast.net>
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: F123.org.


How can anyone know what it's all about?
I don't think I heard anything about English?


On 1/22/2016 7:22 AM, Tim Ford wrote:
This screen reader accessibility project is the subject of this week’s
Eyes on Success podcast. Has anyone used the service?
Tim Ford
--

Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
lucky1@ct.metrocast.net

Be patient with God: Be patient with yourself: Be patient with others.






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Re: F123.org.

Maria Campbell
 

How can anyone know what it's all about?
I don't think I heard anything about English?

On 1/22/2016 7:22 AM, Tim Ford wrote:
This screen reader accessibility project is the subject of this week’s
Eyes on Success podcast. Has anyone used the service?
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Sunny Day
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Plantronics Voyager Legend B235-M Bluetooth Headset and JAWS

markzalewski@...
 

Was wondering if anyone was using this combination or had a recommendation for a wireless Bluetooth device that works well with JAWS.  We’re on Windows 7 JAWS 16, will soon be upgrading to 17.

 

Mark Zalewski

Print Services/Assistive Technology

Phone: 414-661-1380

E-Mail Mark Zalewski

 



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Re: Advanced Searching in Outlook 2010 - Opinions Sought

Londa Peterson
 

Control Tab works from anywhere in the box. The only trouble is that JAWS doesn't speak the change. You have to know what's on each tab to know that you have indeed switched.

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 9:10 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Advanced Searching in Outlook 2010 - Opinions Sought

 

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 02:56 pm, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:

You don’t need to press enter or spacebar on “find now.” Just press F6 to reach the results field.

 You're correct about not having to land on the Find Now button, but you do have to hit Enter after you've entered all the fields you want to use to actually perform the search.  The F6 then does take you straight to the search results list.

Is there an easy way to jump between the three tabs that does not involve having to use the TAB key to get back to the actual tab label, "Message", "More Choices", or "Advanced."  In this case the client needs to use the "only items with" checkbox with "one or more attachments" combo box choice that's on the "More Choices" tab, but by the time you've filled in what you need to on the "Message" tab it takes forever to make one's way back to the dialog box tabs that one moves between with CTRL+TAB when resting on any one of them.

Brian


Re: Advanced Searching in Outlook 2010 - Opinions Sought

Londa Peterson
 

 Thanks. I just learned something new that will make it even easier. Never ever stop learning.  

 

From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:Adrian@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 5:57 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Advanced Searching in Outlook 2010 - Opinions Sought

 

Londa, I agree. One small detail: You don’t need to press enter or spacebar on “find now.” Just press F6 to reach the results field.

 

From: Londa Peterson [mailto:lpeterson@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 3:34 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Advanced Searching in Outlook 2010 - Opinions Sought

 

Hi Brian, To me, neither of these methods is the simplest. The easiest way to do an advanced search is to press control + shift + F. You can then tab through the fields and fill in the ones you want. Once you press enter or spacebar on find now, you can simply press f6 to get to your list of results. As far as I know, these are all Outlook keystrokes. It's much less cumbersome, and you don't have to be a programming geek to do it.

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 5:28 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Advanced Searching in Outlook 2010 - Opinions Sought

 

I generally prefer to teach keystrokes to access the required ribbon options to accomplish something, but this time I might make an exception.

Once you're in an Outlook folder you wish to search it's a simple matter to hit Ctrl+E to be thrown into the search box.  After that things become much more complicated.

If you want to search on the From field, the keystroke sequence to do this is ALT+JS+OM, then one types in the partial or full name or e-mail address one wishes to search on.  By contrast, one can enter the search operator "from," open parenthesis, the partial or full name or e-mail address, and a close parenthesis directly in the search box to accomplish precisely the same thing.

If you want to get only messages that have attachments, the keystroke sequence to do this is ALT+JS+H, and that creates a search only for messages that have attachments.  By contrast, one can enter the search operator "hasattachments:" followed immediately by either "yes" or "no" and can filter for messages that either do or do not have attachments directly into the search box.

If you want to filter by date, the keystroke sequence is ALT+JS+W, this brings up a drop down menu from which you can choose today, yesterday, this week, last week, this month, last month, this year, or last year.  By contrast, one can enter the search operator "received:" followed by one of the previously listed single words or two-word phrases.

All of the above can, of course, be combined together.  There are also additional criteria that can be specified but I'm trying to focus on the most common and useful.

Let's say I'm trying to find an e-mail that I sent, last week, that has an attachment on it.  I can do one of two things after hitting CTRL+E:

1.  Immediately type "from(Brian Vogel) received:last week hasattachments:yes" in the search box by hand.

2.  Hit ALT+JS+OM and immediately type "Brian Vogel," then hit ALT+JS+W and use down arrow to go through the dropdown to find last week, then hit ALT+JS+H

The second option is, to me, much more cumbersome than the first, once you know what the search operator terms and formats are.  In addition, it is only through hand entering "hasattachments:no" that one can limit the search to messages that do not have an attachment, no keystroke sequence generates the "no" condition.

I'm sure that some of you have had to use advanced searching to filter out as much extraneous e-mail in your archives as you possibly can before trying to locate a specific message from the returned results.  What say you regarding whether it makes more sense in this case to focus on the search operators that you type yourself versus the keystrokes and typing involved to do each via the ribbon?

Brian


F123.org.

Tim Ford
 

This screen reader accessibility project is the subject of this week’s Eyes on Success podcast.  Has anyone used the service?
 
Tim Ford
 


A guide to the Taskbar on Windows 10

David Bailes
 

I've written a guide to the Taskbar on Windows 10. It covers the Start menu, search, Cortana, the taskbar buttons, the notification area, and notifications. It's available here:
http://vip.chowo.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/jaws/Taskbar-10-Guide.html

Any feedback is welcome,
David.