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moderated Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

If CONTROL plus W doesn't close out the browser, it means that the browser has locked up, and as you said, your only option is to close out all tasks under Google Chrome.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 2:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi Bill  When google chrome  m.facebook.com  page is still open  Are you telling me that alt + F4 doesn’t close out the page browser ? Because I always press alt + F4 to close out google chrome  m.facebook.com  but when I press alt + F4  google chrome m.facebook.com won’t close out because the google chrome m.facebook.com page is stucked and won’t close out that’s why I went to task manager to task it to see if it will task google chrome  then press spacebar  the google chrome m.facebook.com still opens I try ctrl + w it won’t close out the page browser

 If any browser page is stucked  and can’t close out  then What would you do to get google chrome  to close out?

Addison

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi, Addison. When ALT plus F4 doesn't close a browser, in most cases, try CONTROL plus W.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 12:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi Bill  OK if it suppose to say close in all  then when I was on google chrome  with m.facebook.com  on profile page  when I come back to coputer 20 minute later  then I press f5 to fresh the page it will not fresh the page so I press alt  - f4 to try to close out google chrome  profile  on m.facebook.com  so the page is stucked up and won’t close out the page  so I went to task manager  page then arrow down to google chrome close then press tab key 2 time to task button press enter  and press alt –f4 to close out task manager  after task manager page close out google chrome profile on m.facebook.com still open then I press alt –f4 again it will not close out google chrome profile m.facebook.com  so I had to restart the computer . Why is that?

Addison

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 12:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi, Addison. Yes, it is supposed to say closed. To open the category in Task Manager, press the Right Arrow, and you may find several tasks under this one category. It says "Closed" in the same manner as when you are exploring the Files and Folders tree under Windows Explorer. It is not saying that the program is closed, it is saying that the entry for that item is closed and must be expanded with the Right Arrow.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi All I have jaws2020  and desktop computer Window10  !! When I press ctrl + shift + esc  to task manager   when task manager window page opens then I arrow down through the items  when I hear it’s say application for jaws  closed ,google chrome  closed ,firefox closed,microsoft edge closed and microsoft outlook closed  and others closed  !! Does task manager supposed to have all the items saying closed ? Because  when I was using google chrome  with  m.facebook.com  have the page opens for about 15 or 30 minute  later when I come back on computer  I was on google chrome  page with m.facebook.com I press F5 to fresh the page somehow  it won’t fresh the page so I press alt  F4 to close out the page  it won’t close out the google chrome  m.facebook.com  so it got stuck  so I went to task manager  then I arrow down to google chrome closed  then I press tab key it say detail  then press tab key again it say task  button I press enter  then I press alt –F4 to close out task manager  then it was on google chrome m.facebook.com profile  I press alt – F4 to close out the page but it won’t close out google chrome  !! Does anyone have any idea what I can do to task manager to say google chrome  without saying close ? Do anyone of you went you go to task manager  ,does all of your items say close ?

Addison

 


moderated Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

O.Addison Gethers
 

Hi Bill  When google chrome  m.facebook.com  page is still open  Are you telling me that alt + F4 doesn’t close out the page browser ? Because I always press alt + F4 to close out google chrome  m.facebook.com  but when I press alt + F4  google chrome m.facebook.com won’t close out because the google chrome m.facebook.com page is stucked and won’t close out that’s why I went to task manager to task it to see if it will task google chrome  then press spacebar  the google chrome m.facebook.com still opens I try ctrl + w it won’t close out the page browser

 If any browser page is stucked  and can’t close out  then What would you do to get google chrome  to close out?

Addison

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi, Addison. When ALT plus F4 doesn't close a browser, in most cases, try CONTROL plus W.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 12:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi Bill  OK if it suppose to say close in all  then when I was on google chrome  with m.facebook.com  on profile page  when I come back to coputer 20 minute later  then I press f5 to fresh the page it will not fresh the page so I press alt  - f4 to try to close out google chrome  profile  on m.facebook.com  so the page is stucked up and won’t close out the page  so I went to task manager  page then arrow down to google chrome close then press tab key 2 time to task button press enter  and press alt –f4 to close out task manager  after task manager page close out google chrome profile on m.facebook.com still open then I press alt –f4 again it will not close out google chrome profile m.facebook.com  so I had to restart the computer . Why is that?

Addison

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 12:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi, Addison. Yes, it is supposed to say closed. To open the category in Task Manager, press the Right Arrow, and you may find several tasks under this one category. It says "Closed" in the same manner as when you are exploring the Files and Folders tree under Windows Explorer. It is not saying that the program is closed, it is saying that the entry for that item is closed and must be expanded with the Right Arrow.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi All I have jaws2020  and desktop computer Window10  !! When I press ctrl + shift + esc  to task manager   when task manager window page opens then I arrow down through the items  when I hear it’s say application for jaws  closed ,google chrome  closed ,firefox closed,microsoft edge closed and microsoft outlook closed  and others closed  !! Does task manager supposed to have all the items saying closed ? Because  when I was using google chrome  with  m.facebook.com  have the page opens for about 15 or 30 minute  later when I come back on computer  I was on google chrome  page with m.facebook.com I press F5 to fresh the page somehow  it won’t fresh the page so I press alt  F4 to close out the page  it won’t close out the google chrome  m.facebook.com  so it got stuck  so I went to task manager  then I arrow down to google chrome closed  then I press tab key it say detail  then press tab key again it say task  button I press enter  then I press alt –F4 to close out task manager  then it was on google chrome m.facebook.com profile  I press alt – F4 to close out the page but it won’t close out google chrome  !! Does anyone have any idea what I can do to task manager to say google chrome  without saying close ? Do anyone of you went you go to task manager  ,does all of your items say close ?

Addison

 


moderated Re: am I losing my mind or is we coding really that different by browser?

Jaffar Sidek
 

Hi.  I would highly recommend Opera as well.  It is my favorite browser because the built-in ad blocker keeps ads to a minimum.

On 21/11/2020 4:33 am, Randy Barnett wrote:
As many as you find useful. I have several including IE witch I don't use unless all other options fail but that still happens on occasion

FireFox, IE, Edge, Chrome, waterfox, Brave and Vavaldi.

On 11/20/2020 11:20 AM, David Csercsics wrote:
Am I to understand that chrome is different at rendering than chromium edge, even though they're the same engine? That's confusing? How many browsers should we have installed on devices, for the best experience?










moderated Re: am I losing my mind or is we coding really that different by browser?

 

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 05:29 PM, JM Casey wrote:
I’m almost positive my old workplace was still using iE exclusively until the new Edge came out.
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Oh, that certainly did exist and still exists.  But nothing I've said should be interpreted to apply to instances where use of a given piece of software, whatever it may be, is forced by circumstances beyond a given individual's control.

They're about what you have the ability to choose to do, or not do.  Lots of us get stuck with what anyone would characterize as a suboptimal situation because we don't have any choice.

Your observation about the insanity of ignoring the warnings from Microsoft as an entity and security experts is correct.  Ignoring can be very accurately characterized as crazy.  But, again, if you've got no choice in your workplace or other setting you deal with what you're forced to deal with.  When that's not the case, follow the subject matter experts' recommendations.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

O.Addison Gethers
 

Hi JM Casey   I will try that and thanks

Addison

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 4:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

You can go to task manager, hit g key until it says “google chrome”, then just hit the delete key to end the task. If chrome is already in a non-responsive state (which it sounds like has happened) you will not even get a prompt, hitting delete will just do the trick. Then, check to make sure all instances of google chrome are closed (hit the g key again).

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: November 20, 2020 03:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi Bill  OK if it suppose to say close in all  then when I was on google chrome  with m.facebook.com  on profile page  when I come back to coputer 20 minute later  then I press f5 to fresh the page it will not fresh the page so I press alt  - f4 to try to close out google chrome  profile  on m.facebook.com  so the page is stucked up and won’t close out the page  so I went to task manager  page then arrow down to google chrome close then press tab key 2 time to task button press enter  and press alt –f4 to close out task manager  after task manager page close out google chrome profile on m.facebook.com still open then I press alt –f4 again it will not close out google chrome profile m.facebook.com  so I had to restart the computer . Why is that?

Addison

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 12:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi, Addison. Yes, it is supposed to say closed. To open the category in Task Manager, press the Right Arrow, and you may find several tasks under this one category. It says "Closed" in the same manner as when you are exploring the Files and Folders tree under Windows Explorer. It is not saying that the program is closed, it is saying that the entry for that item is closed and must be expanded with the Right Arrow.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi All I have jaws2020  and desktop computer Window10  !! When I press ctrl + shift + esc  to task manager   when task manager window page opens then I arrow down through the items  when I hear it’s say application for jaws  closed ,google chrome  closed ,firefox closed,microsoft edge closed and microsoft outlook closed  and others closed  !! Does task manager supposed to have all the items saying closed ? Because  when I was using google chrome  with  m.facebook.com  have the page opens for about 15 or 30 minute  later when I come back on computer  I was on google chrome  page with m.facebook.com I press F5 to fresh the page somehow  it won’t fresh the page so I press alt  F4 to close out the page  it won’t close out the google chrome  m.facebook.com  so it got stuck  so I went to task manager  then I arrow down to google chrome closed  then I press tab key it say detail  then press tab key again it say task  button I press enter  then I press alt –F4 to close out task manager  then it was on google chrome m.facebook.com profile  I press alt – F4 to close out the page but it won’t close out google chrome  !! Does anyone have any idea what I can do to task manager to say google chrome  without saying close ? Do anyone of you went you go to task manager  ,does all of your items say close ?

Addison

 


moderated Re: am I losing my mind or is we coding really that different by browser?

Randy Barnett
 

A lot of large corporations use IE and DOS based programs bedcuase it is just too expensive to change them. You see so many blind people using IE because like mentioned they find it is the only option at times and calling that BS and putting it on us to force change is not helpful. Granted it is less frequent now but there is still a need for it at times. Condescension is not helpful either.

On 11/20/2020 2:29 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Even with all this being true, though, I’m almost positive my old workplace was still using iE exclusively until the new Edge came out. Hopefully they’ve switched over now. But I guess some of their web applications were coded specifically for iE, so an option of using something else wasn’t even on the table. I stopped working there in 2017, but there was absolutely no sign of a change on the horizon at that time (and I was in the IT department). Experts were already telling everyone not to use IE then, and every serious web developer spurned it, yet I heard many accounts of other workplaces (especially in the public sector, I think) where no other browsers were allowed/in use. Crazy.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November 20, 2020 05:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: am I losing my mind or is we coding really that different by browser?

 

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 03:21 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:

As always you are not getting that we often don't have a choice.

-
And, as always, you feel free to mischaracterize what I'm saying with your own spin.  Have at it.

Anyone with 2 firing neurons discourages the use of IE unless you absolutely, positively cannot use another option, and never where security is a concern.

It's got nothing to do with sighted help being needed.  And the fact that IE use, and heavy use of IE, still comes up all the time on blind-related technology groups means that word needs to get out, in no uncertain terms, that this is a very, very bad idea.  And it's a very, very bad idea if you're sighted or blind.  There are many things that are completely unconnected to visual status, and it's long past time you try to make the majority of what I say have a tie to something it does not.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Unread messages in outlook

 

This came up on the Microsoft Office Accessibility Discussion Group earlier this month.  Here's the link to my reply:

Adding the Next Unread Item Button to your Messages Tab/Ribbon in Outlook
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: am I losing my mind or is we coding really that different by browser?

JM Casey
 

Even with all this being true, though, I’m almost positive my old workplace was still using iE exclusively until the new Edge came out. Hopefully they’ve switched over now. But I guess some of their web applications were coded specifically for iE, so an option of using something else wasn’t even on the table. I stopped working there in 2017, but there was absolutely no sign of a change on the horizon at that time (and I was in the IT department). Experts were already telling everyone not to use IE then, and every serious web developer spurned it, yet I heard many accounts of other workplaces (especially in the public sector, I think) where no other browsers were allowed/in use. Crazy.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November 20, 2020 05:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: am I losing my mind or is we coding really that different by browser?

 

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 03:21 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:

As always you are not getting that we often don't have a choice.

-
And, as always, you feel free to mischaracterize what I'm saying with your own spin.  Have at it.

Anyone with 2 firing neurons discourages the use of IE unless you absolutely, positively cannot use another option, and never where security is a concern.

It's got nothing to do with sighted help being needed.  And the fact that IE use, and heavy use of IE, still comes up all the time on blind-related technology groups means that word needs to get out, in no uncertain terms, that this is a very, very bad idea.  And it's a very, very bad idea if you're sighted or blind.  There are many things that are completely unconnected to visual status, and it's long past time you try to make the majority of what I say have a tie to something it does not.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: am I losing my mind or is we coding really that different by browser?

 

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 05:24 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
So anyone useing IE doesnt have 2 nuerons?
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Again, learn to read.  Randy, your personal animus toward me colors absolutely every word I say, and adds things simply never said.

I quote: Anyone with 2 firing neurons discourages the use of IE unless you absolutely, positively cannot use another option, and never where security is a concern.

You see that phrase, "discourages the use of IE," it actually can't be ignored, nor does it mean "anyone using IE," or even imply it.

And your whine about having no other options is, pure and simple, BS in virtually all cases.  And where you can only use IE, you, any you, should be raising a huge stink with the site that's requiring it.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: am I losing my mind or is we coding really that different by browser?

Randy Barnett
 

Resorting to insults... So anyone useing IE doesnt have 2 nuerons?The way you come across is not my problem it is yours... Enough said.

On 11/20/2020 2:21 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 03:21 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
As always you are not getting that we often don't have a choice.
-
And, as always, you feel free to mischaracterize what I'm saying with your own spin.  Have at it.

Anyone with 2 firing neurons discourages the use of IE unless you absolutely, positively cannot use another option, and never where security is a concern.

It's got nothing to do with sighted help being needed.  And the fact that IE use, and heavy use of IE, still comes up all the time on blind-related technology groups means that word needs to get out, in no uncertain terms, that this is a very, very bad idea.  And it's a very, very bad idea if you're sighted or blind.  There are many things that are completely unconnected to visual status, and it's long past time you try to make the majority of what I say have a tie to something it does not.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: am I losing my mind or is we coding really that different by browser?

 

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 03:21 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
As always you are not getting that we often don't have a choice.
-
And, as always, you feel free to mischaracterize what I'm saying with your own spin.  Have at it.

Anyone with 2 firing neurons discourages the use of IE unless you absolutely, positively cannot use another option, and never where security is a concern.

It's got nothing to do with sighted help being needed.  And the fact that IE use, and heavy use of IE, still comes up all the time on blind-related technology groups means that word needs to get out, in no uncertain terms, that this is a very, very bad idea.  And it's a very, very bad idea if you're sighted or blind.  There are many things that are completely unconnected to visual status, and it's long past time you try to make the majority of what I say have a tie to something it does not.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

JM Casey
 

Sounds to me like that wouldn’t work in this case and Chrome has just stopped working. That happens to me often with this browser if I leave it alone for too long, for some reason, and I have to kill it with taskkill or manager.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: November 20, 2020 05:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi, Addison. When ALT plus F4 doesn't close a browser, in most cases, try CONTROL plus W.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 12:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi Bill  OK if it suppose to say close in all  then when I was on google chrome  with m.facebook.com  on profile page  when I come back to coputer 20 minute later  then I press f5 to fresh the page it will not fresh the page so I press alt  - f4 to try to close out google chrome  profile  on m.facebook.com  so the page is stucked up and won’t close out the page  so I went to task manager  page then arrow down to google chrome close then press tab key 2 time to task button press enter  and press alt –f4 to close out task manager  after task manager page close out google chrome profile on m.facebook.com still open then I press alt –f4 again it will not close out google chrome profile m.facebook.com  so I had to restart the computer . Why is that?

Addison

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 12:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi, Addison. Yes, it is supposed to say closed. To open the category in Task Manager, press the Right Arrow, and you may find several tasks under this one category. It says "Closed" in the same manner as when you are exploring the Files and Folders tree under Windows Explorer. It is not saying that the program is closed, it is saying that the entry for that item is closed and must be expanded with the Right Arrow.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi All I have jaws2020  and desktop computer Window10  !! When I press ctrl + shift + esc  to task manager   when task manager window page opens then I arrow down through the items  when I hear it’s say application for jaws  closed ,google chrome  closed ,firefox closed,microsoft edge closed and microsoft outlook closed  and others closed  !! Does task manager supposed to have all the items saying closed ? Because  when I was using google chrome  with  m.facebook.com  have the page opens for about 15 or 30 minute  later when I come back on computer  I was on google chrome  page with m.facebook.com I press F5 to fresh the page somehow  it won’t fresh the page so I press alt  F4 to close out the page  it won’t close out the google chrome  m.facebook.com  so it got stuck  so I went to task manager  then I arrow down to google chrome closed  then I press tab key it say detail  then press tab key again it say task  button I press enter  then I press alt –F4 to close out task manager  then it was on google chrome m.facebook.com profile  I press alt – F4 to close out the page but it won’t close out google chrome  !! Does anyone have any idea what I can do to task manager to say google chrome  without saying close ? Do anyone of you went you go to task manager  ,does all of your items say close ?

Addison

 


moderated Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Addison. When ALT plus F4 doesn't close a browser, in most cases, try CONTROL plus W.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 12:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi Bill  OK if it suppose to say close in all  then when I was on google chrome  with m.facebook.com  on profile page  when I come back to coputer 20 minute later  then I press f5 to fresh the page it will not fresh the page so I press alt  - f4 to try to close out google chrome  profile  on m.facebook.com  so the page is stucked up and won’t close out the page  so I went to task manager  page then arrow down to google chrome close then press tab key 2 time to task button press enter  and press alt –f4 to close out task manager  after task manager page close out google chrome profile on m.facebook.com still open then I press alt –f4 again it will not close out google chrome profile m.facebook.com  so I had to restart the computer . Why is that?

Addison

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 12:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi, Addison. Yes, it is supposed to say closed. To open the category in Task Manager, press the Right Arrow, and you may find several tasks under this one category. It says "Closed" in the same manner as when you are exploring the Files and Folders tree under Windows Explorer. It is not saying that the program is closed, it is saying that the entry for that item is closed and must be expanded with the Right Arrow.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi All I have jaws2020  and desktop computer Window10  !! When I press ctrl + shift + esc  to task manager   when task manager window page opens then I arrow down through the items  when I hear it’s say application for jaws  closed ,google chrome  closed ,firefox closed,microsoft edge closed and microsoft outlook closed  and others closed  !! Does task manager supposed to have all the items saying closed ? Because  when I was using google chrome  with  m.facebook.com  have the page opens for about 15 or 30 minute  later when I come back on computer  I was on google chrome  page with m.facebook.com I press F5 to fresh the page somehow  it won’t fresh the page so I press alt  F4 to close out the page  it won’t close out the google chrome  m.facebook.com  so it got stuck  so I went to task manager  then I arrow down to google chrome closed  then I press tab key it say detail  then press tab key again it say task  button I press enter  then I press alt –F4 to close out task manager  then it was on google chrome m.facebook.com profile  I press alt – F4 to close out the page but it won’t close out google chrome  !! Does anyone have any idea what I can do to task manager to say google chrome  without saying close ? Do anyone of you went you go to task manager  ,does all of your items say close ?

Addison

 


moderated Unread messages in outlook

Donna Corson (Gmail)
 

Running JFW 2020, Windows 10 and outlook 16.  It used to be that when one used the keystroke control u, you would be placed on the next unread message.  It is not worki

Is there another                                            keystoke that would let you move to the nexunread message?

 

Donna Corson


moderated Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

JM Casey
 

You can go to task manager, hit g key until it says “google chrome”, then just hit the delete key to end the task. If chrome is already in a non-responsive state (which it sounds like has happened) you will not even get a prompt, hitting delete will just do the trick. Then, check to make sure all instances of google chrome are closed (hit the g key again).

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: November 20, 2020 03:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi Bill  OK if it suppose to say close in all  then when I was on google chrome  with m.facebook.com  on profile page  when I come back to coputer 20 minute later  then I press f5 to fresh the page it will not fresh the page so I press alt  - f4 to try to close out google chrome  profile  on m.facebook.com  so the page is stucked up and won’t close out the page  so I went to task manager  page then arrow down to google chrome close then press tab key 2 time to task button press enter  and press alt –f4 to close out task manager  after task manager page close out google chrome profile on m.facebook.com still open then I press alt –f4 again it will not close out google chrome profile m.facebook.com  so I had to restart the computer . Why is that?

Addison

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 12:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi, Addison. Yes, it is supposed to say closed. To open the category in Task Manager, press the Right Arrow, and you may find several tasks under this one category. It says "Closed" in the same manner as when you are exploring the Files and Folders tree under Windows Explorer. It is not saying that the program is closed, it is saying that the entry for that item is closed and must be expanded with the Right Arrow.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi All I have jaws2020  and desktop computer Window10  !! When I press ctrl + shift + esc  to task manager   when task manager window page opens then I arrow down through the items  when I hear it’s say application for jaws  closed ,google chrome  closed ,firefox closed,microsoft edge closed and microsoft outlook closed  and others closed  !! Does task manager supposed to have all the items saying closed ? Because  when I was using google chrome  with  m.facebook.com  have the page opens for about 15 or 30 minute  later when I come back on computer  I was on google chrome  page with m.facebook.com I press F5 to fresh the page somehow  it won’t fresh the page so I press alt  F4 to close out the page  it won’t close out the google chrome  m.facebook.com  so it got stuck  so I went to task manager  then I arrow down to google chrome closed  then I press tab key it say detail  then press tab key again it say task  button I press enter  then I press alt –F4 to close out task manager  then it was on google chrome m.facebook.com profile  I press alt – F4 to close out the page but it won’t close out google chrome  !! Does anyone have any idea what I can do to task manager to say google chrome  without saying close ? Do anyone of you went you go to task manager  ,does all of your items say close ?

Addison

 


moderated Re: switching to running programs

JM Casey
 

It definitely is a problem related in some way to JAWS, though you’d think it wouldn’t affect task switching behaviour. It’s not exclusive to JAWS 2021 – I definitely had this happen a few times with JAWS 18 and possibly 2018 as well. Restarting JAWS does seem to fix this intermitent problem. Alternatively, there are more efficient ways to switch to desired applications than alt-tabbing (I’m not criticising, I often fall back on this method, too) – a good reason to start using some of them more frequently.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of T. Civitello
Sent: November 20, 2020 01:06 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: switching to running programs

 

I have a slight problem. If I have more than 2 programs running and I try to switch to the 3rd or 4th program with alt, tab I can only switch to the first 2  programs that are  running. Using insert F10 I can see all 4 running programs and switch to the one I want to use. Makes it difficult when I am paying bills and have running the bank, Jaws and my bills paid document. Every time I switch to see what and how much the net  bill is I have tuse insert F10 to switch to the bills paid document. Never was this way till Jaws 2021. How do I get back to where I can alt tab to all the open programs.  Thanks Tom


moderated Re: OT - Are there any user groups for blind audiophiles?

Randy Barnett
 

Well, If you think audio is only properly reproduced through specialized components and very sophisticated speakers and are willing to build them yourself or spend a lot of money for them then you are a audiophile.

There are tons of audio forums on the net and I don't know if a blind specific one would get much traffic. you can e-mail me privately and we could talk. I have build cross overs and speaker systems for years and am getting back into it again with a dual 18" sub woofer build and a single 21" sub build. Basically large subs that you wont find in any box store or most brick and mortar stereo shops. At least not for several time the cost.

On 11/20/2020 8:54 AM, mike mcglashon wrote:

What is an audiophile?

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 11:52 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: OT - Are there any user groups for blind audiophiles?

 

Hi!

 

I am an audiophile.  I was wondering if there are any user groups or list servers for blind audiophiles?

 

Thanks,

Richard


moderated Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

O.Addison Gethers
 

Hi Bill  OK if it suppose to say close in all  then when I was on google chrome  with m.facebook.com  on profile page  when I come back to coputer 20 minute later  then I press f5 to fresh the page it will not fresh the page so I press alt  - f4 to try to close out google chrome  profile  on m.facebook.com  so the page is stucked up and won’t close out the page  so I went to task manager  page then arrow down to google chrome close then press tab key 2 time to task button press enter  and press alt –f4 to close out task manager  after task manager page close out google chrome profile on m.facebook.com still open then I press alt –f4 again it will not close out google chrome profile m.facebook.com  so I had to restart the computer . Why is that?

Addison

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 12:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi, Addison. Yes, it is supposed to say closed. To open the category in Task Manager, press the Right Arrow, and you may find several tasks under this one category. It says "Closed" in the same manner as when you are exploring the Files and Folders tree under Windows Explorer. It is not saying that the program is closed, it is saying that the entry for that item is closed and must be expanded with the Right Arrow.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws2020 Task manager question

 

Hi All I have jaws2020  and desktop computer Window10  !! When I press ctrl + shift + esc  to task manager   when task manager window page opens then I arrow down through the items  when I hear it’s say application for jaws  closed ,google chrome  closed ,firefox closed,microsoft edge closed and microsoft outlook closed  and others closed  !! Does task manager supposed to have all the items saying closed ? Because  when I was using google chrome  with  m.facebook.com  have the page opens for about 15 or 30 minute  later when I come back on computer  I was on google chrome  page with m.facebook.com I press F5 to fresh the page somehow  it won’t fresh the page so I press alt  F4 to close out the page  it won’t close out the google chrome  m.facebook.com  so it got stuck  so I went to task manager  then I arrow down to google chrome closed  then I press tab key it say detail  then press tab key again it say task  button I press enter  then I press alt –F4 to close out task manager  then it was on google chrome m.facebook.com profile  I press alt – F4 to close out the page but it won’t close out google chrome  !! Does anyone have any idea what I can do to task manager to say google chrome  without saying close ? Do anyone of you went you go to task manager  ,does all of your items say close ?

Addison

 


moderated Re: am I losing my mind or is we coding really that different by browser?

Randy Barnett
 

As many as you find useful. I have several including IE witch I don't use unless all other options fail but that still happens on occasion

FireFox, IE, Edge, Chrome, waterfox, Brave and Vavaldi.

On 11/20/2020 11:20 AM, David Csercsics wrote:
Am I to understand that chrome is different at rendering than chromium edge, even though they're the same engine? That's confusing? How many browsers should we have installed on devices, for the best experience?







moderated Re: am I losing my mind or is we coding really that different by browser?

Randy Barnett
 

Hi, One of the reasons IE will work when others won't is that Jaws has a lot of extra scripting for it. The Accessibility of IE was bad and all kinds of workarounds were created so that is why in some cases jaws will still work better in IE than Chromium based browsers. Which most all are except for Firefox. There are really just 3 types of browsers. IE which as Brian pointed out is outdated, Chromium based ones like Chrome and Edge and Firefox which uses it's own rendering engine.

On 11/20/2020 9:44 AM, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io wrote:

I feel like I’m losing my mind – maybe because I’m hitting my head on the wall.  On my work computer, my primary browser s Chrome.  I just got an upgrade to the chromium Edge, so I’ll try that soon, but assume it’s similar to Chrome.  I also still have IE 11.  I’ve noticed with two different web applications that JAWS voices the same page quite differently in when I use Chrome versus IE.  I feel stuck on doing what I need to do.  Here are a couple examples.  I’d really like to understand from some of you web developer/accessibility people what is going on.

 

Running Windows 10, JAWS 2020 (soon to be 2021). 

 

Our time keeping system is not great with JAWS.  The company says it works with NVDA & Firefox, neither of which I have on this laptop and if you use what they call listview instead of the more intuitive table view that  my colleagues use.  If I use IE 11, I can arrow down through this  listview and it reads a button for each date in my pay period, followed by a button where I can code whether I took a vacation day or such.  This format makes some sense.  If I click the button for pay code, it seems to open a small dialog  associated to the corresponding date where is shows each type of code an the number of hours, such as 8 hours of vacation. 

Because I’m having some issues with the menu to pick a code type, I thought I’d go try it in Chrome.  In Chrome, the same page reads very differently.  Arrowing down through the page only has one option for each day of the pay period and JAWS says its’ a menu.  I have yet to figure out how to access this menu, as all my normal tricks aren’t working.  I’ll likely call AIRA for visual help as a temporary work around.

 

On SharePoint sites we use internally, There are tabs at the top that bring up different ribbons of buttons for editing and working with pages.  In IE, these tabs JAWS sees as Links and will bring up in the links list, then I can use B to move to each button.  In Chrome, these tab labels do not come up as links and I have to find them in other ways that are more clunky and seems to trigger Forms mode. 

 

Is this expected?  I’m surprised that the same elements on a page would be rendered so differently in different browsers.  I’m really trying to embrace Chrome, but find some web coding more clunky and in the case of my time keeping system, not seemingly accessible.  Would Firefox really render this another way that could potentially work better with JAWS?  I’ll have to ask for an exception to get Firefox installed and not even sure if it will be an improvement. 

 

Thoughts?

 

Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager - Sales Enablement

Key Equipment Finance & Key Institutional Bank

720-304-1060

 

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