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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Miller
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 10:26 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: I Cannot Install the new JAWS Beta

 

Dear Listers:

 

I understand that  the new JAWS 2021 Beta version has just come out.  I am trying to install it.  I am using a Desktop computer, Windows 10 and the latest version of JAWS.  I have downloaded and saved the application for the new Beta version but when I go to the folder where it is and hit the Enter key after locating it, instead of giving me the option to install it I am getting a dialog that just says “get app from store.”  I know apps are only used with phones and I don’t know how to handle apps as I have only a cell phone, not an i-phone, so I don’t know how to rectify this problem and download the Beta version to my Desktop.

 

 

 

Rick Miller

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 9:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Outlook Question

 

Hi Listers,

I am using Office 365 with Outlook for my email client.

It is set to table view.  Which is the best view to set Outlook?

Thanks,

 

Pastor Gil

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Chernack via groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 3:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Quicken accessibility

 

I am a long time user of Quicken.

I always thought that Quicken accessibility was not good.

 

I am aware that Quicken and QuickBooks are now managed by different companies.

 

Is Quicken accessibility as good as what has been written recently in this discussion list as QuickBooks?

 

Thanks.

Ken

 

 

Mike I have Outlook maxed in propertys. Is that what you mean?

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 7:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New

Bob,
 
Make sure the screen is maximized.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
From: Onwardbob <mailto:onwardbob@...> 
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New

Not for me using Outlook 2010

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 3:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New

I just installed the beta and in Outlook 2016 from Microsoft 365 it reads
who it is from, subject, etc., just like always.

Did you migrate your settings from the release version?

 


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
himself," and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
granting grace to others, I've never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward
Herbert

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Onwardbob
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 3:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New

When using 2021 the up and down arrows are moving up and down through my
E-mail but not reading as it does. Insert up arrow reads.???

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 9:29 AM
To: JList
Subject: JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New

Hi All,
 
Here's the J2021 Beta download link for both 32 & 64 bit systems, what's new
in this release and a link to the FSCast that has demonstrations.
 
 
Download Link 32 & 64 Bit:
 
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjaws2021.v
fo.digital%2F2021.2009.13.400%2F7B55F25C-8F3C-4D14-AB6F-7EEBF4&amp;data=02%7
C01%7C%7C3a75e8bce8e44fdd49b508d855d6822a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa
%7C1%7C0%7C637353727071695181&amp;sdata=sTXlkUbOIsRxAdswjmg%2FFnx37O%2B2TsV2
%2BPgj%2BQW2xmA%3D&amp;reserved=0
ACAC57/J2021.2009.13.400-any.exe
 

. FSCast web page, provides demonstrations of the new and exciting features
in the upcoming 2021 release.
 
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.freed
omscientific.com%2Farchive-of-fsopenline-from-august-2020%2F&amp;data=02%7C0
1%7C%7C3a75e8bce8e44fdd49b508d855d6822a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7
C1%7C0%7C637353727071695181&amp;sdata=v%2BMQHGsmvqrQqlZRprJxnvGWQQtg9gylSR0x
K8Vuwx4%3D&amp;reserved=0
 
 
. New Features in 2021
 
New Features Added in JAWS, ZoomText, and Fusion 2021 PictureSmart
Improvements
 
Introduced in JAWS and Fusion 2019, Picture Smart allows you to choose a
photo and submit it to be analyzed. A description of the image is then
displayed in the Results Viewer. To use Picture Smart, press
INSERT+SPACEBAR, followed by P to activate the Picture Smart layer. You can
then press A to describe a photo acquired from the PEARL camera or a flatbed
scanner, F to describe a selected image file in Windows Explorer, C to
describe the current control, or B to describe an image on the Windows
Clipboard.
 
JAWS and Fusion 2021 continues to expand this feature by offering several
improvements including:
 
list of 3 items
. Describing images on web pages: If focused on an image that is part of a
web page, such as a photo on Facebook, pressing INSERT+SPACEBAR, P followed
by C now describes the photo.
. Submitting images to multiple services to help improve accuracy: By
default, images are submitted to Microsoft for analyzing. However, the
Results Viewer now contains a More Results link which submits the image
again to additional services for analyzing and displays an updated
description. You can also add SHIFT to a Picture Smart command to use
multiple services. For example,
INSERT+SPACEBAR, P followed by SHIFT+F, SHIFT+C, or SHIFT+B.
. Using Picture Smart in multiple languages: If you are using JAWS or Fusion
in a language other than English and you attempt to use Picture Smart, JAWS
and Fusion will use machine translation to display descriptions in the
particular language. You can also manually choose from 38 languages for
displaying results, configurable using the new Picture Smart Language option
in Settings Center.
list end
 
Please note that these changes, especially the machine translation for other
languages, is still experimental, so things may not always work as expected.
Results will improve as we continue refining this functionality.
 
For more information on Picture Smart, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, P followed by
QUESTION MARK or refer to the Picture Smart topic in the JAWS help.
 
OCR Text Directly into a Word Document
 
The Convenient OCR (Optical Character Recognition) feature has been enhanced
to support sending recognized text directly to Word. Convenient OCR enables
you to access images containing text that is part of the image and displays
this information in the Results Viewer. This includes onscreen images such
as the graphical setup screen for an application, an inaccessible PDF opened
in Adobe Reader, a currently selected image file in Windows Explorer, or a
document acquired by the PEARL camera or a flatbed scanner.
 
If Microsoft Office is installed on your system, you can now:
 
list of 2 items
. Use the new command INSERT+SPACEBAR, O followed by R to perform OCR on a
selected image file in File Explorer or the Desktop and place the recognized
text directly into a Word document. You can also press the APPLICATIONS key
and choose Convenient OCR to Word with JAWS or Fusion from the context menu.
. Use the new Open in Word link that appears at the top of the Results
Viewer once the OCR process is complete.
list end
 
For more information about using Convenient OCR, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, O
followed by QUESTION MARK or refer to the Convenient OCR topic in the JAWS
help.
 
New Voice Assistant to Help with Various JAWS, ZoomText, and Fusion Commands
and Features
 
The new Voice Assistant provides a way to interact with JAWS, ZoomText, and
Fusion in Windows 10 using speech input. Supported languages include
English, Dutch, German, Spanish, and French. Ask it to help you out with
various JAWS or ZoomText features using natural speech. This means that the
same action can be performed by more than one similar phrase instead of a
single predefined voice command. For instance, to launch JAWS Settings
Center, you could say "Settings Center" or "change settings." Unlike
keyboard shortcuts, which can be hard to remember, natural voice commands
are an easier way to interact with the JAWS or ZoomText software. Using
voice input to control JAWS or ZoomText can also benefit users with certain
conditions which prevent them from using a keyboard effectively.
 
The JAWS Voice Assistant uses your computer's internal microphone or you can
talk to it using an external microphone or headset. To tell the Voice
Assistant to begin listening for a specific command, there are three
options:
 
list of 2 items
. Press the key combination, INSERT+ALT+SPACEBAR (CAPS LOCK+ALT+SPACEBAR for
ZoomText and Fusion).
. Speak a specific wake word which alerts to software to begin listening for
a voice command, similar to using an Alexa or Google Home device. The wake
word is "Sharky" for JAWS and "Zoomy" for ZoomText and Fusion. Speak this
word followed by a specific JAWS or ZoomText command, such as, "Sharky, list
links," or "Zoomy, increase zoom level."
list end
 
Note: The wake word is not available if you are using a Bluetooth
microphone. In this case, you must use the keystroke before speaking the
voice command.
 
list of 1 items
. From the JAWS main window, press ALT+U to open the Utilities menu, expand
the Voice Assistant submenu, and then select Talk to JAWS. From the ZoomText
or Fusion main window, select Talk to ZoomText.
list end
 
When the Voice Assistant starts listening for a voice command, a short audio
indicator plays, and a visual indicator is displayed. After hearing a voice
command, a different audio indicator plays until the command is processed.
After processing, the visual indicator is removed, a different, short, audio
indicator plays, and the desired JAWS or ZoomText action is performed.
 
If the Voice Assistant does not hear anything, the message, "Sorry, I didn't
hear anything" is spoken. If the Voice Assistant does not understand or if
the voice command is not supported, the message, "Sorry, I didn't catch
that" is spoken.
 
Note: Since all voice recognition processing is performed over the Internet
using Microsoft Services in the cloud, there will be a slight delay
depending on your connection. Be patient and experiment with different
commands. This is a new technology being added to our software products and
will continue to change and evolve over time. We welcome your suggestions
and feedback.
 
To turn off the Voice Assistant or change other options, such as whether or
not JAWS or ZoomText listens for the wake word or to turn off the sounds, do
one of the following:
 
list of 2 items
. For JAWS, open the JAWS Utilities menu, expand the Voice Assistant
submenu, and then select Settings.
. For ZoomText or Fusion, select the Tools tab, press DOWN ARROW on the
Voice Assistant drop down button, and select Settings.
list end
 
To learn more and to view a full list of voice commands for specific
actions, say "Sharky, help," or "Zoomy, help." You can also select Getting
Started from the Voice Assistant menu.
 
Here are a few commands you can try to help you get started.
 
For JAWS (Remember to say "Sharky" or press INSERT+ALT+SPACEBAR before
speaking each command):
 
list of 10 items
. Help
. Talk faster
. Talk slower
. Change settings
. Command search
. What time is it
. OCR PDF
. List links
. List headings
. List spelling errors
list end
 
For ZoomText or Fusion (Remember to say "Zoomy" or press CAPS
LOCK+ALT+SPACEBAR before speaking each command):
 
list of 10 items
. Increase zoom level
. Zoom out
. Set zoom level to 5
. Where is my focus
. What time is it
. Activate speech
. Talk faster
. Open Reader app view
. Launch finder
. Change the color enhancement scheme
list end
 
Improved Microsoft Teams Support
list of 6 items
. If you press ENTER on a document in the Files list which opens the
inaccessible document viewer, you can now press ESC to return to the files
list. You are also prompted to use the SHIFT+F10 context menu and open the
document in the desktop application, which is the suggested method.
. You can now press ALT+1 through 5 to go directly to the first five tab
pages.
. Pressing ALT+LEFT ARROW now automatically activates the back button from
anywhere in Teams.
. You can now press ALT+H to hang up a call in progress.
. You can now press ALT+T to set focus to the Teams tree view, if visible.
Note that it is usually only visible if CTRL+3 has been pressed to show the
teams and channels list. The screen should also be maximized to ensure this
control is visible.
. Pressing ALT+R now raises or lowers your hand in a meeting.
list end
 
Teams also allows you to show meetings and calls in separate windows with
fewer controls. To do this, press CTRL+COMMA to open Preferences and select
the check box labeled: "Turn on new meeting experience (New meetings and
calls will open in separate windows. Requires restarting Teams.)" While JAWS
specific keystrokes for meetings and calls will not work in this split mode,
Microsoft has their own set of keystrokes you can review by pressing
CTRL+PERIOD.
 
New Keystroke for Changing the Punctuation Level
 
You can now press INSERT+SHIFT+2 on the number row to cycle through the four
punctuation levels which controls how much punctuation JAWS and Fusion speak
while reading. The available levels are None, Some, Most, and All. Similar
to toggling Screen Echo (INSERT+S) or Typing Echo (INSERT+2), the
punctuation level will revert back to the previous setting when JAWS or
Fusion is restarted. To permanently set a punctuation level, use the JAWS
Startup Wizard or Settings Center.
 
Announce Most Recent Windows Notification
 
You can now perform the new layered command INSERT+SPACEBAR followed by N to
have JAWS repeat the last notification that was spoken. Notifications
include an incoming Teams or Skype call, a recent Zoom message, a new email
in Outlook, and more. If you use a Focus braille display, you can also press
RIGHT
SHIFT+N (DOTS 1-3-4-5). To view and manage all your Windows
SHIFT+notifications,
use the Microsoft keystroke WINDOWS Key+A.
 
FS Support Tool for Gathering System Information
 
The FS Support Tool is a new utility that collects information about your
computer and sends a report to our Technical Support and Software
Development teams to help us troubleshoot any issues you may be experiencing
while running JAWS, ZoomText, or Fusion. You will typically be asked to run
this utility during a technical support session if it is determined that
additional details about your system are needed. Some information that is
collected
includes:
 
list of 9 items
. System information such as processor, RAM, operating system, architecture,
and more . Event logs . Version of Adobe Reader (if installed) . Versions of
all installed web browsers . Information on installed Microsoft Office
applications . Crash dumps . Installation logs . Currently running system
processes . User settings list end
 
The FS Support Tool can be started from the Help menu in JAWS, or the
Support menu in ZoomText or Fusion and guides you through collecting and
submitting a report.
 
Announce Accessible Notification Events
 
By default, JAWS now automatically announces Windows generated accessible
event notifications in both speech and braille. These types of notifications
are found in a variety of places including business bars in Microsoft
Office. If you do not want to hear these announcements, open Settings Center
and clear the Enable Accessible Notification Events check box.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 9:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New

 

Mike I have Outlook maxed in propertys. Is that what you mean?

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 7:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New

Bob,
 
Make sure the screen is maximized.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
From: Onwardbob <mailto:onwardbob@...> 
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New

Not for me using Outlook 2010

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 3:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New

I just installed the beta and in Outlook 2016 from Microsoft 365 it reads
who it is from, subject, etc., just like always.

Did you migrate your settings from the release version?

 


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
himself," and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
granting grace to others, I've never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward
Herbert

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Onwardbob
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 3:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New

When using 2021 the up and down arrows are moving up and down through my
E-mail but not reading as it does. Insert up arrow reads.???

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 9:29 AM
To: JList
Subject: JAWS2021 Beta V 2009.13.40 Download Link + What's New

Hi All,
 
Here's the J2021 Beta download link for both 32 & 64 bit systems, what's new
in this release and a link to the FSCast that has demonstrations.
 
 
Download Link 32 & 64 Bit:
 
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjaws2021.v
fo.digital%2F2021.2009.13.400%2F7B55F25C-8F3C-4D14-AB6F-7EEBF4&amp;data=02%7
C01%7C%7C3a75e8bce8e44fdd49b508d855d6822a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa
%7C1%7C0%7C637353727071695181&amp;sdata=sTXlkUbOIsRxAdswjmg%2FFnx37O%2B2TsV2
%2BPgj%2BQW2xmA%3D&amp;reserved=0
ACAC57/J2021.2009.13.400-any.exe
 

. FSCast web page, provides demonstrations of the new and exciting features
in the upcoming 2021 release.
 
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.freed
omscientific.com%2Farchive-of-fsopenline-from-august-2020%2F&amp;data=02%7C0
1%7C%7C3a75e8bce8e44fdd49b508d855d6822a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7
C1%7C0%7C637353727071695181&amp;sdata=v%2BMQHGsmvqrQqlZRprJxnvGWQQtg9gylSR0x
K8Vuwx4%3D&amp;reserved=0
 
 
. New Features in 2021
 
New Features Added in JAWS, ZoomText, and Fusion 2021 PictureSmart
Improvements
 
Introduced in JAWS and Fusion 2019, Picture Smart allows you to choose a
photo and submit it to be analyzed. A description of the image is then
displayed in the Results Viewer. To use Picture Smart, press
INSERT+SPACEBAR, followed by P to activate the Picture Smart layer. You can
then press A to describe a photo acquired from the PEARL camera or a flatbed
scanner, F to describe a selected image file in Windows Explorer, C to
describe the current control, or B to describe an image on the Windows
Clipboard.
 
JAWS and Fusion 2021 continues to expand this feature by offering several
improvements including:
 
list of 3 items
. Describing images on web pages: If focused on an image that is part of a
web page, such as a photo on Facebook, pressing INSERT+SPACEBAR, P followed
by C now describes the photo.
. Submitting images to multiple services to help improve accuracy: By
default, images are submitted to Microsoft for analyzing. However, the
Results Viewer now contains a More Results link which submits the image
again to additional services for analyzing and displays an updated
description. You can also add SHIFT to a Picture Smart command to use
multiple services. For example,
INSERT+SPACEBAR, P followed by SHIFT+F, SHIFT+C, or SHIFT+B.
. Using Picture Smart in multiple languages: If you are using JAWS or Fusion
in a language other than English and you attempt to use Picture Smart, JAWS
and Fusion will use machine translation to display descriptions in the
particular language. You can also manually choose from 38 languages for
displaying results, configurable using the new Picture Smart Language option
in Settings Center.
list end
 
Please note that these changes, especially the machine translation for other
languages, is still experimental, so things may not always work as expected.
Results will improve as we continue refining this functionality.
 
For more information on Picture Smart, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, P followed by
QUESTION MARK or refer to the Picture Smart topic in the JAWS help.
 
OCR Text Directly into a Word Document
 
The Convenient OCR (Optical Character Recognition) feature has been enhanced
to support sending recognized text directly to Word. Convenient OCR enables
you to access images containing text that is part of the image and displays
this information in the Results Viewer. This includes onscreen images such
as the graphical setup screen for an application, an inaccessible PDF opened
in Adobe Reader, a currently selected image file in Windows Explorer, or a
document acquired by the PEARL camera or a flatbed scanner.
 
If Microsoft Office is installed on your system, you can now:
 
list of 2 items
. Use the new command INSERT+SPACEBAR, O followed by R to perform OCR on a
selected image file in File Explorer or the Desktop and place the recognized
text directly into a Word document. You can also press the APPLICATIONS key
and choose Convenient OCR to Word with JAWS or Fusion from the context menu.
. Use the new Open in Word link that appears at the top of the Results
Viewer once the OCR process is complete.
list end
 
For more information about using Convenient OCR, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, O
followed by QUESTION MARK or refer to the Convenient OCR topic in the JAWS
help.
 
New Voice Assistant to Help with Various JAWS, ZoomText, and Fusion Commands
and Features
 
The new Voice Assistant provides a way to interact with JAWS, ZoomText, and
Fusion in Windows 10 using speech input. Supported languages include
English, Dutch, German, Spanish, and French. Ask it to help you out with
various JAWS or ZoomText features using natural speech. This means that the
same action can be performed by more than one similar phrase instead of a
single predefined voice command. For instance, to launch JAWS Settings
Center, you could say "Settings Center" or "change settings." Unlike
keyboard shortcuts, which can be hard to remember, natural voice commands
are an easier way to interact with the JAWS or ZoomText software. Using
voice input to control JAWS or ZoomText can also benefit users with certain
conditions which prevent them from using a keyboard effectively.
 
The JAWS Voice Assistant uses your computer's internal microphone or you can
talk to it using an external microphone or headset. To tell the Voice
Assistant to begin listening for a specific command, there are three
options:
 
list of 2 items
. Press the key combination, INSERT+ALT+SPACEBAR (CAPS LOCK+ALT+SPACEBAR for
ZoomText and Fusion).
. Speak a specific wake word which alerts to software to begin listening for
a voice command, similar to using an Alexa or Google Home device. The wake
word is "Sharky" for JAWS and "Zoomy" for ZoomText and Fusion. Speak this
word followed by a specific JAWS or ZoomText command, such as, "Sharky, list
links," or "Zoomy, increase zoom level."
list end
 
Note: The wake word is not available if you are using a Bluetooth
microphone. In this case, you must use the keystroke before speaking the
voice command.
 
list of 1 items
. From the JAWS main window, press ALT+U to open the Utilities menu, expand
the Voice Assistant submenu, and then select Talk to JAWS. From the ZoomText
or Fusion main window, select Talk to ZoomText.
list end
 
When the Voice Assistant starts listening for a voice command, a short audio
indicator plays, and a visual indicator is displayed. After hearing a voice
command, a different audio indicator plays until the command is processed.
After processing, the visual indicator is removed, a different, short, audio
indicator plays, and the desired JAWS or ZoomText action is performed.
 
If the Voice Assistant does not hear anything, the message, "Sorry, I didn't
hear anything" is spoken. If the Voice Assistant does not understand or if
the voice command is not supported, the message, "Sorry, I didn't catch
that" is spoken.
 
Note: Since all voice recognition processing is performed over the Internet
using Microsoft Services in the cloud, there will be a slight delay
depending on your connection. Be patient and experiment with different
commands. This is a new technology being added to our software products and
will continue to change and evolve over time. We welcome your suggestions
and feedback.
 
To turn off the Voice Assistant or change other options, such as whether or
not JAWS or ZoomText listens for the wake word or to turn off the sounds, do
one of the following:
 
list of 2 items
. For JAWS, open the JAWS Utilities menu, expand the Voice Assistant
submenu, and then select Settings.
. For ZoomText or Fusion, select the Tools tab, press DOWN ARROW on the
Voice Assistant drop down button, and select Settings.
list end
 
To learn more and to view a full list of voice commands for specific
actions, say "Sharky, help," or "Zoomy, help." You can also select Getting
Started from the Voice Assistant menu.
 
Here are a few commands you can try to help you get started.
 
For JAWS (Remember to say "Sharky" or press INSERT+ALT+SPACEBAR before
speaking each command):
 
list of 10 items
. Help
. Talk faster
. Talk slower
. Change settings
. Command search
. What time is it
. OCR PDF
. List links
. List headings
. List spelling errors
list end
 
For ZoomText or Fusion (Remember to say "Zoomy" or press CAPS
LOCK+ALT+SPACEBAR before speaking each command):
 
list of 10 items
. Increase zoom level
. Zoom out
. Set zoom level to 5
. Where is my focus
. What time is it
. Activate speech
. Talk faster
. Open Reader app view
. Launch finder
. Change the color enhancement scheme
list end
 
Improved Microsoft Teams Support
list of 6 items
. If you press ENTER on a document in the Files list which opens the
inaccessible document viewer, you can now press ESC to return to the files
list. You are also prompted to use the SHIFT+F10 context menu and open the
document in the desktop application, which is the suggested method.
. You can now press ALT+1 through 5 to go directly to the first five tab
pages.
. Pressing ALT+LEFT ARROW now automatically activates the back button from
anywhere in Teams.
. You can now press ALT+H to hang up a call in progress.
. You can now press ALT+T to set focus to the Teams tree view, if visible.
Note that it is usually only visible if CTRL+3 has been pressed to show the
teams and channels list. The screen should also be maximized to ensure this
control is visible.
. Pressing ALT+R now raises or lowers your hand in a meeting.
list end
 
Teams also allows you to show meetings and calls in separate windows with
fewer controls. To do this, press CTRL+COMMA to open Preferences and select
the check box labeled: "Turn on new meeting experience (New meetings and
calls will open in separate windows. Requires restarting Teams.)" While JAWS
specific keystrokes for meetings and calls will not work in this split mode,
Microsoft has their own set of keystrokes you can review by pressing
CTRL+PERIOD.
 
New Keystroke for Changing the Punctuation Level
 
You can now press INSERT+SHIFT+2 on the number row to cycle through the four
punctuation levels which controls how much punctuation JAWS and Fusion speak
while reading. The available levels are None, Some, Most, and All. Similar
to toggling Screen Echo (INSERT+S) or Typing Echo (INSERT+2), the
punctuation level will revert back to the previous setting when JAWS or
Fusion is restarted. To permanently set a punctuation level, use the JAWS
Startup Wizard or Settings Center.
 
Announce Most Recent Windows Notification
 
You can now perform the new layered command INSERT+SPACEBAR followed by N to
have JAWS repeat the last notification that was spoken. Notifications
include an incoming Teams or Skype call, a recent Zoom message, a new email
in Outlook, and more. If you use a Focus braille display, you can also press
RIGHT
SHIFT+N (DOTS 1-3-4-5). To view and manage all your Windows
SHIFT+notifications,
use the Microsoft keystroke WINDOWS Key+A.
 
FS Support Tool for Gathering System Information
 
The FS Support Tool is a new utility that collects information about your
computer and sends a report to our Technical Support and Software
Development teams to help us troubleshoot any issues you may be experiencing
while running JAWS, ZoomText, or Fusion. You will typically be asked to run
this utility during a technical support session if it is determined that
additional details about your system are needed. Some information that is
collected
includes:
 
list of 9 items
. System information such as processor, RAM, operating system, architecture,
and more . Event logs . Version of Adobe Reader (if installed) . Versions of
all installed web browsers . Information on installed Microsoft Office
applications . Crash dumps . Installation logs . Currently running system
processes . User settings list end
 
The FS Support Tool can be started from the Help menu in JAWS, or the
Support menu in ZoomText or Fusion and guides you through collecting and
submitting a report.
 
Announce Accessible Notification Events
 
By default, JAWS now automatically announces Windows generated accessible
event notifications in both speech and braille. These types of notifications
are found in a variety of places including business bars in Microsoft
Office. If you do not want to hear these announcements, open Settings Center
and clear the Enable Accessible Notification Events check box.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

Hi.

 

I have a Polaroid Bluetooth speaker that starts with a low volume when trying to listen to speech. I thought the new feature of JAWS would solve this problem, but it doesn’t.

 

Any ideas? It has decent sound, and the battery life is good. I’d like to take this speaker into my bedroom to listen to music to sleep with, and I guess it’s good enough for that, but I’d also like JAWS to work so I could check email if I want with my Bluetooth keyboard. Is there any hope for this, or am I stuck?

 

Thanks in advance.

Have a blessed day and don’t work too hard.

 

Kevin and Jilly

On Sep 11, 2020, at 12:57, Chris Hill <hillco@earthlink.net> wrote:

My point is that it is not exploitation, at least not proven as of yet. If they don't keep working, we lose access. How much of their work is required to keep the thing going may be questioned, but doubting its existence is not sensible.

On 9/11/2020 13:49, soner wrote:
Mr. Hill, my aim is not to discuss the strength or weaknesses of any
screen reading software, but to point at a blatant exploitation of a
defacto monopoly. So, I do not think that it is as simple as to say
love or leave.

On 9/11/20, Chris Hill <hillco@earthlink.net> wrote:
You could happily use a three or four year old version of jaws, if you
didn't get online, didn't allow windows to upgrade and didn't use office
365, otherwise, you can either pay or switch to nvda. I'll pay, if
NVDA did all I wanted it to do, I could save some money, but as far as I
can tell, there are still things I need that it doesn't do so there it
is. I'm grateful for jaws, having tried nvda, and tried a mac and left
lacking the access I want on both. Nothing is perfect, but of the
three, jaws is still the best for what I do. Others who want or need
less can probably save themselves a ton of money.





On 9/11/2020 13:25, soner wrote:

When you divide one feature into bits and pieces and scale it to
versions and eat up people's SMas and ask for upgrade to avail the
remaining parts of one feature introduced in the past, this makes
nothing but a fact clear that this is a sheer robbery. But of course,
we are almost unlikely to hear any American blindness advocating
foundation to bring this years of version proliferation issue to the
court.

My last words to you the Americans, wake up and beware what's going on
with your versions and how they're eaten up guys!

On 9/11/20, soner via groups.io <soner.boun=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi, I am almost sure that the voluntary FS lawyers in the list will
keep flooding and trolling upon this feed-back, but I cannot help
stating that this version is a joke, and FS makes it for years. I
really would like to know, what is/are the major change/changes making
this version to be called 21?

On 9/11/20, Mike B <mb69mach1@fastmail.com> wrote:

Hi All,

Below is a note about Jaws2021 Beta tech support and the link to the
Beta
report page.

While in public beta, general technical support of JAWS, ZoomText, or
Fusion

2021 is not available using our direct support phone lines or email.
However,
you may use normal support lines in order to resolve any problems you
experience related to installation or authorization using the Public
Beta.
For all
other issues you may discover, we ask that you send feedback directly
to
Freedom Scientific using the
Beta Report Form web page. Please bookmark the report page in your web
browser so that you can easily locate it if you need technical
assistance.
Also, please submit one
problem per report.

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Forms/FSBetaReport



Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!

Chris,

I totally disagree with your argument! It is, and has been, exploitation since JFW was allowed to exist rather than MS including full access in Windows. There ridiculous argument was that they didn't want to put the adaptive tecch vendors out of business. It had absolutely nothing to do with what was best for blind customers. Adding full access to Windows, may have added pennies to each copy sold, but, no, we were FORCED to pay exorbitant prices, over 25 years for a subpar product! In 2010, DOJ was ordered to write language and regs for ADA that would require equal access to virtual environments. Keep in mind that WCAG 2.0 was written before anyone had smartphones, so in 2010 the landscape was very different than it is today. DOJ wanted clarity from the W3C and that did not come until June, 2019. By that time, the DOJ civil rights division was pretty much destroyed by our current administration. However, in 2019 2400 lawsuits were filed in the courts against companies who refused to make their apps and web sites accessible. Funny thing is that in 2017 FS began to wooing large corporations, such as Amazon. They wanted to own the accessible web and app space, and wanted these companies to be dependent on them to make their web sites work. Thus, the purchase of The Paciello Group (TPG), which has its own sordid history that I will not go into at this point.


I want inclusion not dependence. Companies need to train their own development staffs in accessibility design considerations, and require their developers to code for accessibility in such a way that it does not compromise the visual integrity of the product. Vispero is in the business of keeping blindness accessibility issues out of the mainstream, and it hurts all of us. They have monopolized, and intentionally taken away other options, such as Window-Eyes, which if that deal had gone on in the mainstream market would have been not allowed by the Federal Trade Commission.

There are great articles in Medium, a great app, btw about accessibility, politics, and anything people want to submit.


The bottom line is that we need a Federal administration that cares about civil rights, restores DOJ, and allows them to update the 30 year old ADA. This attitude of acceptance of subpar products and services, and depending on the private sector to do the "right thing" is irrational, at best. The placid attitudes of blind people refusing to take charge of our place in society, and settling for the table scraps, must stop! Vispero is a disgraceful company, that has exponentially grown for the sole purpose of exploiting the needs of people who are blind. They have duped government and academic institutions, in much the same way that a dictator would. They eliminate choice, and we are all beholden to them. People are "grateful" to them and "fear" a world in which they don't exist. Wake up, people! We are not a subclass of humans, we deserve equal employment opportunities and must be included in mainstream society, not depend on companies that encourage the myth that blind people are aliens and need special companies who understand their needs! Yes, Vispero is a great example of American capitalism, defining a market, as a separate niche and exploiting everyone.Hardware is a separate matter, and I won't go into that debacle, here. The bottom line is full inclusion within mainstream companies.

-----Original Message-----
From: Deb and the girls
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

Amen to the idea that these companies need to work toward overcoming proprietary software problems that most companies continually have due to upgrades and new technology. My fear is that if Freedom Scientiffic and others do not stay at the top of their game, blind persons will be losing their jobs through no fault of their employers and no fault of theirs; but the result of technologies not allowing the blind employee to compete equally with sighted piers.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Larry Wayland
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 5:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

In my opinion, we have been dealing with computer accessibility since the early 80's, and I think it is high time companies make this stuff work and work right. Too many blind people are not working because of the lack of accessibility to work sites. If they are working now and have good accessibility they are always concerned about what is going to happen after the next update. I am not jumping on the developers of access software necessarily. the developers of the operating systems are mostly to blame and then of course the developers of software packages for the work sites.
Larry


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of soner
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 1:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

Mr. Hill, my aim is not to discuss the strength or weaknesses of any screen reading software, but to point at a blatant exploitation of a defacto monopoly. So, I do not think that it is as simple as to say love or leave.

On 9/11/20, Chris Hill <hillco@earthlink.net> wrote:

You could happily use a three or four year old version of jaws, if you
didn't get online, didn't allow windows to upgrade and didn't use
office 365, otherwise, you can either pay or switch to nvda. I'll
pay, if NVDA did all I wanted it to do, I could save some money, but
as far as I can tell, there are still things I need that it doesn't do
so there it is. I'm grateful for jaws, having tried nvda, and tried a
mac and left lacking the access I want on both. Nothing is perfect,
but of the three, jaws is still the best for what I do. Others who
want or need less can probably save themselves a ton of money.





On 9/11/2020 13:25, soner wrote:

When you divide one feature into bits and pieces and scale it to
versions and eat up people's SMas and ask for upgrade to avail the
remaining parts of one feature introduced in the past, this makes
nothing but a fact clear that this is a sheer robbery. But of course,
we are almost unlikely to hear any American blindness advocating
foundation to bring this years of version proliferation issue to the
court.

My last words to you the Americans, wake up and beware what's going
on with your versions and how they're eaten up guys!

On 9/11/20, soner via groups.io <soner.boun=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi, I am almost sure that the voluntary FS lawyers in the list will
keep flooding and trolling upon this feed-back, but I cannot help
stating that this version is a joke, and FS makes it for years. I
really would like to know, what is/are the major change/changes
making this version to be called 21?

On 9/11/20, Mike B <mb69mach1@fastmail.com> wrote:

Hi All,

Below is a note about Jaws2021 Beta tech support and the link to
the Beta report page.

While in public beta, general technical support of JAWS, ZoomText,
or Fusion

2021 is not available using our direct support phone lines or email.
However,
you may use normal support lines in order to resolve any problems
you experience related to installation or authorization using the
Public Beta.
For all
other issues you may discover, we ask that you send feedback
directly to Freedom Scientific using the Beta Report Form web page.
Please bookmark the report page in your web browser so that you can
easily locate it if you need technical assistance.
Also, please submit one
problem per report.

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Forms/FSBetaReport



Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Larry Wayland
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 5:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

In my opinion, we have been dealing with computer accessibility since the early 80's, and I think it is high time companies make this stuff work and work right. Too many blind people are not working because of the lack of accessibility to work sites. If they are working now and have good accessibility they are always concerned about what is going to happen after the next update. I am not jumping on the developers of access software necessarily. the developers of the operating systems are mostly to blame and then of course the developers of software packages for the work sites.
Larry


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of soner
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 1:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

Mr. Hill, my aim is not to discuss the strength or weaknesses of any screen reading software, but to point at a blatant exploitation of a defacto monopoly. So, I do not think that it is as simple as to say love or leave.

On 9/11/20, Chris Hill <hillco@earthlink.net> wrote:

You could happily use a three or four year old version of jaws, if you
didn't get online, didn't allow windows to upgrade and didn't use
office 365, otherwise, you can either pay or switch to nvda. I'll
pay, if NVDA did all I wanted it to do, I could save some money, but
as far as I can tell, there are still things I need that it doesn't do
so there it is. I'm grateful for jaws, having tried nvda, and tried a
mac and left lacking the access I want on both. Nothing is perfect,
but of the three, jaws is still the best for what I do. Others who
want or need less can probably save themselves a ton of money.





On 9/11/2020 13:25, soner wrote:

When you divide one feature into bits and pieces and scale it to
versions and eat up people's SMas and ask for upgrade to avail the
remaining parts of one feature introduced in the past, this makes
nothing but a fact clear that this is a sheer robbery. But of course,
we are almost unlikely to hear any American blindness advocating
foundation to bring this years of version proliferation issue to the
court.

My last words to you the Americans, wake up and beware what's going
on with your versions and how they're eaten up guys!

On 9/11/20, soner via groups.io <soner.boun=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi, I am almost sure that the voluntary FS lawyers in the list will
keep flooding and trolling upon this feed-back, but I cannot help
stating that this version is a joke, and FS makes it for years. I
really would like to know, what is/are the major change/changes
making this version to be called 21?

On 9/11/20, Mike B <mb69mach1@fastmail.com> wrote:

Hi All,

Below is a note about Jaws2021 Beta tech support and the link to
the Beta report page.

While in public beta, general technical support of JAWS, ZoomText,
or Fusion

2021 is not available using our direct support phone lines or email.
However,
you may use normal support lines in order to resolve any problems
you experience related to installation or authorization using the
Public Beta.
For all
other issues you may discover, we ask that you send feedback
directly to Freedom Scientific using the Beta Report Form web page.
Please bookmark the report page in your web browser so that you can
easily locate it if you need technical assistance.
Also, please submit one
problem per report.

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Forms/FSBetaReport



Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Wayland
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

In my opinion, we have been dealing with computer accessibility since the early 80's, and I think it is high time companies make this stuff work and work right. Too many blind people are not working because of the lack of accessibility to work sites. If they are working now and have good accessibility they are always concerned about what is going to happen after the next update. I am not jumping on the developers of access software necessarily. the developers of the operating systems are mostly to blame and then of course the developers of software packages for the work sites.
Larry


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of soner
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 1:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

Mr. Hill, my aim is not to discuss the strength or weaknesses of any screen reading software, but to point at a blatant exploitation of a defacto monopoly. So, I do not think that it is as simple as to say love or leave.

On 9/11/20, Chris Hill <hillco@earthlink.net> wrote:

You could happily use a three or four year old version of jaws, if you
didn't get online, didn't allow windows to upgrade and didn't use
office 365, otherwise, you can either pay or switch to nvda. I'll
pay, if NVDA did all I wanted it to do, I could save some money, but
as far as I can tell, there are still things I need that it doesn't do
so there it is. I'm grateful for jaws, having tried nvda, and tried a
mac and left lacking the access I want on both. Nothing is perfect,
but of the three, jaws is still the best for what I do. Others who
want or need less can probably save themselves a ton of money.





On 9/11/2020 13:25, soner wrote:

When you divide one feature into bits and pieces and scale it to
versions and eat up people's SMas and ask for upgrade to avail the
remaining parts of one feature introduced in the past, this makes
nothing but a fact clear that this is a sheer robbery. But of course,
we are almost unlikely to hear any American blindness advocating
foundation to bring this years of version proliferation issue to the
court.

My last words to you the Americans, wake up and beware what's going
on with your versions and how they're eaten up guys!

On 9/11/20, soner via groups.io <soner.boun=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi, I am almost sure that the voluntary FS lawyers in the list will
keep flooding and trolling upon this feed-back, but I cannot help
stating that this version is a joke, and FS makes it for years. I
really would like to know, what is/are the major change/changes
making this version to be called 21?

On 9/11/20, Mike B <mb69mach1@fastmail.com> wrote:

Hi All,

Below is a note about Jaws2021 Beta tech support and the link to
the Beta report page.

While in public beta, general technical support of JAWS, ZoomText,
or Fusion

2021 is not available using our direct support phone lines or email.
However,
you may use normal support lines in order to resolve any problems
you experience related to installation or authorization using the
Public Beta.
For all
other issues you may discover, we ask that you send feedback
directly to Freedom Scientific using the Beta Report Form web page.
Please bookmark the report page in your web browser so that you can
easily locate it if you need technical assistance.
Also, please submit one
problem per report.

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Forms/FSBetaReport



Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of soner
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 2:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

When you divide one feature into bits and pieces and scale it to versions and eat up people's SMas and ask for upgrade to avail the remaining parts of one feature introduced in the past, this makes nothing but a fact clear that this is a sheer robbery. But of course, we are almost unlikely to hear any American blindness advocating foundation to bring this years of version proliferation issue to the court.

My last words to you the Americans, wake up and beware what's going on with your versions and how they're eaten up guys!

On 9/11/20, soner via groups.io <soner.boun=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi, I am almost sure that the voluntary FS lawyers in the list will
keep flooding and trolling upon this feed-back, but I cannot help
stating that this version is a joke, and FS makes it for years. I
really would like to know, what is/are the major change/changes making
this version to be called 21?

On 9/11/20, Mike B <mb69mach1@fastmail.com> wrote:

Hi All,

Below is a note about Jaws2021 Beta tech support and the link to the
Beta report page.

While in public beta, general technical support of JAWS, ZoomText, or
Fusion

2021 is not available using our direct support phone lines or email.
However,
you may use normal support lines in order to resolve any problems you
experience related to installation or authorization using the Public
Beta.
For all
other issues you may discover, we ask that you send feedback directly
to Freedom Scientific using the Beta Report Form web page. Please
bookmark the report page in your web browser so that you can easily
locate it if you need technical assistance.
Also, please submit one
problem per report.

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Forms/FSBetaReport



Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 1:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

You could happily use a three or four year old version of jaws, if you didn't get online, didn't allow windows to upgrade and didn't use office 365, otherwise, you can either pay or switch to nvda. I'll pay, if NVDA did all I wanted it to do, I could save some money, but as far as I can tell, there are still things I need that it doesn't do so there it is. I'm grateful for jaws, having tried nvda, and tried a mac and left lacking the access I want on both. Nothing is perfect, but of the three, jaws is still the best for what I do. Others who want or need less can probably save themselves a ton of money.





On 9/11/2020 13:25, soner wrote:

When you divide one feature into bits and pieces and scale it to
versions and eat up people's SMas and ask for upgrade to avail the
remaining parts of one feature introduced in the past, this makes
nothing but a fact clear that this is a sheer robbery. But of course,
we are almost unlikely to hear any American blindness advocating
foundation to bring this years of version proliferation issue to the
court.

My last words to you the Americans, wake up and beware what's going on
with your versions and how they're eaten up guys!

On 9/11/20, soner via groups.io <soner.boun=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi, I am almost sure that the voluntary FS lawyers in the list will
keep flooding and trolling upon this feed-back, but I cannot help
stating that this version is a joke, and FS makes it for years. I
really would like to know, what is/are the major change/changes
making this version to be called 21?

On 9/11/20, Mike B <mb69mach1@fastmail.com> wrote:

Hi All,

Below is a note about Jaws2021 Beta tech support and the link to the
Beta report page.

While in public beta, general technical support of JAWS, ZoomText,
or Fusion

2021 is not available using our direct support phone lines or email.
However,
you may use normal support lines in order to resolve any problems
you experience related to installation or authorization using the
Public Beta.
For all
other issues you may discover, we ask that you send feedback
directly to Freedom Scientific using the Beta Report Form web page.
Please bookmark the report page in your web browser so that you can
easily locate it if you need technical assistance.
Also, please submit one
problem per report.

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Forms/FSBetaReport



Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of soner
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 1:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2021 Beta Report Link

Mr. Hill, my aim is not to discuss the strength or weaknesses of any screen reading software, but to point at a blatant exploitation of a defacto monopoly. So, I do not think that it is as simple as to say love or leave.

On 9/11/20, Chris Hill <hillco@earthlink.net> wrote:

You could happily use a three or four year old version of jaws, if you
didn't get online, didn't allow windows to upgrade and didn't use
office 365, otherwise, you can either pay or switch to nvda. I'll
pay, if NVDA did all I wanted it to do, I could save some money, but
as far as I can tell, there are still things I need that it doesn't do
so there it is. I'm grateful for jaws, having tried nvda, and tried a
mac and left lacking the access I want on both. Nothing is perfect,
but of the three, jaws is still the best for what I do. Others who
want or need less can probably save themselves a ton of money.





On 9/11/2020 13:25, soner wrote:

When you divide one feature into bits and pieces and scale it to
versions and eat up people's SMas and ask for upgrade to avail the
remaining parts of one feature introduced in the past, this makes
nothing but a fact clear that this is a sheer robbery. But of course,
we are almost unlikely to hear any American blindness advocating
foundation to bring this years of version proliferation issue to the
court.

My last words to you the Americans, wake up and beware what's going
on with your versions and how they're eaten up guys!

On 9/11/20, soner via groups.io <soner.boun=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi, I am almost sure that the voluntary FS lawyers in the list will
keep flooding and trolling upon this feed-back, but I cannot help
stating that this version is a joke, and FS makes it for years. I
really would like to know, what is/are the major change/changes
making this version to be called 21?

On 9/11/20, Mike B <mb69mach1@fastmail.com> wrote:

Hi All,

Below is a note about Jaws2021 Beta tech support and the link to
the Beta report page.

While in public beta, general technical support of JAWS, ZoomText,
or Fusion

2021 is not available using our direct support phone lines or email.
However,
you may use normal support lines in order to resolve any problems
you experience related to installation or authorization using the
Public Beta.
For all
other issues you may discover, we ask that you send feedback
directly to Freedom Scientific using the Beta Report Form web page.
Please bookmark the report page in your web browser so that you can
easily locate it if you need technical assistance.
Also, please submit one
problem per report.

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Forms/FSBetaReport



Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!