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moderated Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

John Covici
 

Kaspersky has always had some accessibility problems, security folks
are recomending to just use windows defender these days as long as you
are careful where you go on the web.

On Wed, 04 Mar 2020 08:49:45 -0500,
Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

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Friends, please stay civil wherever possible. He just expressed his opinion, with which I disagree, but it’s his right, I guess. Now let’s back to Jawsing please?



Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS



Start your political nonsense group, you have no right throwing this out when this list is for Jaws, not your political views forced down the throats of those not within the United States. Stop it already!



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS





Excuse me, but other list members, the vast majority of whom live here in the states, have the right to full disclosure about Kaspersky Labs and its ties to the hostle Russian government. This Moscow-based company has been banned from doing business with US government agencies, so as the saying goes, where' there's smoke, there's fire. Although Kaspersky's anti-virus products may be legit, the company's real mission is highly questionable, regardless of anyone's political beliefs, and I personally would not trust their software products when Windows Security is free and probably just as effective. But to each, his own.



Gerald





On 3/4/2020 7:52 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Pozdrawiam,



So much for international relations. Please ignore those political comments. Truly not necessary when dealing with individuals from around the globe. Please Gerald, remember this when addressing our Friends all here about Jaws and not anything more.







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 6:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS





Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are based in Russia? There have been allegations that this company may even be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the outcomes of the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even have close ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these allegations are true or not, but why take chances when Windows Security is free and totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?



Gerald





On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings. I won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with Kaspersky. <https://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com/2016/11/16/kaspersky-antivirus-a-review-for-screen-reader-users/> When using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS being able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with tab or shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working after a while. I am guessing this could have been due to a Kaspersky program update but I cannot confirm this without uninstalling it and reinstalling an earlier version which I honestly don't wish to do. For now the tab key reads nothing and, as you say, using the touch cursor is necessary when navigating in the main window. If you access the program from the system tray choosing the Settings or Task Manager options may be more accessible with JAWS. I do feel that some scripting could solve for many of these issues. Once I learn a little more about scripting I am willing to try and write some Kaspersky scripts but it's going to be a while before this can happen.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org <http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.org>

On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS user from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound design and other things. I have came here to discuss this great screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to the best of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK, however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use the touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno








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moderated Re: JFW and the jumping tray

Stan Bobbitt
 

Hi,

I find much more stability accessing the system tray with insert+F11.

HTH,

StanB

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arkadiusz Swietnicki
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 1:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JFW and the jumping tray

 

Hi friends!

I am sorry I post so many messages, but this place is new for me and it seems I have too many questions.

I and my friends notice a weird behavior regarding the system tray. Let’s say I open the tray (Windows+B) and navigate with arrow keys through the icons. Everything is good and fun, until I press a letter to navigate to the specific entry in the area. Then, when I press arrows, JFW automatically jumps to the icon I have previously selected with a letter, making the tray unusable by standard means.

Any ideas how can I fix it?

 

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 

moderated Re: JFW and the jumping tray

Mario
 

don't hesitate to ask any question, no matter if it seems simple.

On 3/4/2020 1:33 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:
Hi friends!
I am sorry I post so many messages, but this place is new for me and it seems I have too many questions.
I and my friends notice a weird behavior regarding the system tray. Let’s say I open the tray (Windows+B) and navigate with arrow keys through the icons. Everything is good and fun, until I press a letter to navigate to the specific entry in the area. Then, when I press arrows, JFW automatically jumps to the icon I have previously selected with a letter, making the tray unusable by standard means.
Any ideas how can I fix it?
Pozdrawiam,
Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

moderated Re: Problem with Internet email in outlook

netbat66
 

i don't remember. but i think you have to log into your account, in settings and change it from pop 3 to imap then you will be able to retrieve your messages from the i map server.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brenda Emerson-Alford
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2020 10:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with Internet email in outlook

I already have two step verification turned off. I also have the allow third-party apps checked. Are you telling me it’s still probably best to put in a new password? Thanks.




On Mar 3, 2020, at 10:42 AM, HH. Smith Jr. <josham129@...> wrote:




Hi,



Have you tried going your control panel and type in the search box “mail” (without the quotes), then click on the email button. It brings you to a screen with several buttons. Find the one that says repair using your tab key and follow the screen prompts. HTH



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pramit
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 2:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with Internet email in outlook





Hi Brenda,







If you have 2-step verification turned on, then with the current gmail password you'll not be able to get your email through outlook.



To be able to receive gmail email through outlook, open your gmail account and navigate to security and then Turn On Less Secure App Access



And create a password for your outlook and use that new generated password to login to your outlook account.



Hope this helps







Pramit







On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 2:58 AM Brenda Emerson-Alford <blea417@...> wrote:



I am using jaws 2019 on windows 1903. I have Microsoft 2016. I am having a problem with Outlook receiving my Gmail. It had been working before I traveled. Even though I took my hotspot with me for Wi-Fi connection I was on able to originally get my email through outlook on my laptop. Eventually I was able to make it work through Gmail by responding to a critical alert and letting them know it was me. Now that I am back I cannot get my email to come through on Outlook. I continually receive a prompt to enter my password for my Gmail account. It is properly entered. I hit OK and I get the same message over and over again. I did go into Gmail and set up second verification using a text message. I’m not sure if that is interfering with things now or not. I had the problem before I set up the second verification process. I would love to hear any thoughts on what to do. Thanks.




On Feb 29, 2020, at 5:20 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:



Hi,

I had to reset my computer today.

After the reset, I noticed that the mobile versions of the office apps, except Outlook were installed.

Outlook wasn’t there, so I figured I’d give the win10 mail app another shot.



I’ve used it before, but its been at least a year, since I tried it last.



Its working well, but I can’t figure out how to change the order of accounts, or if that’s even possible?



Thanks,



Jessica



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

moderated Re: JFW and the jumping tray

Glenn / Lenny
 

I've always had problems if you arrow one direction.
I found that if you right arrow and it stops talking, try up arrow or left arrow and you should get all the icons.
HTH.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2020 12:33 PM
Subject: JFW and the jumping tray

Hi friends!

I am sorry I post so many messages, but this place is new for me and it seems I have too many questions.

I and my friends notice a weird behavior regarding the system tray. Let’s say I open the tray (Windows+B) and navigate with arrow keys through the icons. Everything is good and fun, until I press a letter to navigate to the specific entry in the area. Then, when I press arrows, JFW automatically jumps to the icon I have previously selected with a letter, making the tray unusable by standard means.

Any ideas how can I fix it?

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 

moderated JFW and the jumping tray

Arkadiusz Świętnicki
 

Hi friends!

I am sorry I post so many messages, but this place is new for me and it seems I have too many questions.

I and my friends notice a weird behavior regarding the system tray. Let’s say I open the tray (Windows+B) and navigate with arrow keys through the icons. Everything is good and fun, until I press a letter to navigate to the specific entry in the area. Then, when I press arrows, JFW automatically jumps to the icon I have previously selected with a letter, making the tray unusable by standard means.

Any ideas how can I fix it?

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 

moderated Re: Problem with Internet email in outlook

Brenda Emerson-Alford
 

Yes I have shift allow less secure apps. I don’t know where the forwarding section is. I’ve been through the Gmail settings page as much as I can and I have not seen that section. Any ideas on how to find it would be helpful. I’m not that good at Google Chrome but I’ve been working with it some. Thanks.


On Mar 4, 2020, at 11:22 AM, NFB Lab 4 <nfbsc.lab.4@...> wrote:

Have you enabled the allow less secure apps on your Google account?
The only other thing I can think of is have you enabled the iamb a P in the forwarding section?


On Mar 4, 2020, at 1:01 PM, Brenda Emerson-Alford <blea417@...> wrote:

Thanks for the suggestions so far. I am completely frustrated. I have turned off two step verification on Gmail. I cleared every security critical warning asking if it was me. This morning I still get the same box asking me to enter a username for my Internet email account at Gmail. Which server should be listed as my server with Gmail? It was originally pop but I did change it over to SMPT. Let me know what you guys think.


On Mar 2, 2020, at 8:24 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

If you use 2-step authentication you probably have to create a so-called app specific password by logging in to your Gmail account online, it’s probably somewhere under the security section and then use that password instead of your regular Gmail password to log into Outlook.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brenda Emerson-Alford
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 1:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Problem with Internet email in outlook

 

I am using jaws 2019 on windows 1903. I have Microsoft 2016. I am having a problem with Outlook receiving my Gmail. It had been working before I traveled. Even though I took my hotspot with me for Wi-Fi connection I was on able to originally get my email through outlook on my laptop. Eventually I was able to make it work through Gmail by responding to a critical alert and letting them know it was me. Now that I am back I cannot get my email to come through on Outlook. I continually receive a prompt to enter my password for my Gmail account. It is properly entered. I hit OK and I get the same message over and over again. I did go into Gmail and set up second verification using a text message. I’m not sure if that is interfering with things now or not. I had the problem before I set up the second verification process. I would love to hear any thoughts on what to do. Thanks.


On Feb 29, 2020, at 5:20 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:

Hi,

I had to reset my computer today.

After the reset, I noticed that the mobile versions of the office apps, except Outlook were installed.

Outlook wasn’t there, so I figured I’d give the win10 mail app another shot.

 

I’ve used it before, but its been at least a year, since I tried it last.

 

Its working well, but I can’t figure out how to change the order of accounts, or if that’s even possible?

 

Thanks,

 

Jessica

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

moderated Re: Problem with Internet email in outlook

NFB Lab 4
 

Have you enabled the allow less secure apps on your Google account?
The only other thing I can think of is have you enabled the iamb a P in the forwarding section?


On Mar 4, 2020, at 1:01 PM, Brenda Emerson-Alford <blea417@...> wrote:

Thanks for the suggestions so far. I am completely frustrated. I have turned off two step verification on Gmail. I cleared every security critical warning asking if it was me. This morning I still get the same box asking me to enter a username for my Internet email account at Gmail. Which server should be listed as my server with Gmail? It was originally pop but I did change it over to SMPT. Let me know what you guys think.


On Mar 2, 2020, at 8:24 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

If you use 2-step authentication you probably have to create a so-called app specific password by logging in to your Gmail account online, it’s probably somewhere under the security section and then use that password instead of your regular Gmail password to log into Outlook.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brenda Emerson-Alford
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 1:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Problem with Internet email in outlook

 

I am using jaws 2019 on windows 1903. I have Microsoft 2016. I am having a problem with Outlook receiving my Gmail. It had been working before I traveled. Even though I took my hotspot with me for Wi-Fi connection I was on able to originally get my email through outlook on my laptop. Eventually I was able to make it work through Gmail by responding to a critical alert and letting them know it was me. Now that I am back I cannot get my email to come through on Outlook. I continually receive a prompt to enter my password for my Gmail account. It is properly entered. I hit OK and I get the same message over and over again. I did go into Gmail and set up second verification using a text message. I’m not sure if that is interfering with things now or not. I had the problem before I set up the second verification process. I would love to hear any thoughts on what to do. Thanks.


On Feb 29, 2020, at 5:20 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:

Hi,

I had to reset my computer today.

After the reset, I noticed that the mobile versions of the office apps, except Outlook were installed.

Outlook wasn’t there, so I figured I’d give the win10 mail app another shot.

 

I’ve used it before, but its been at least a year, since I tried it last.

 

Its working well, but I can’t figure out how to change the order of accounts, or if that’s even possible?

 

Thanks,

 

Jessica

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

moderated Re: Problem with Internet email in outlook

Norma A. Boge
 

It sounds as though it might be time to contact the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk. I advise doing a backup before you let them work in your Outlook, better safe than sorry.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/disability-answer-desk?activetab=contact-pivot%3aprimaryr9

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brenda Emerson-Alford
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 12:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with Internet email in outlook

 

Thanks for the suggestions so far. I am completely frustrated. I have turned off two step verification on Gmail. I cleared every security critical warning asking if it was me. This morning I still get the same box asking me to enter a username for my Internet email account at Gmail. Which server should be listed as my server with Gmail? It was originally pop but I did change it over to SMPT. Let me know what you guys think.


On Mar 2, 2020, at 8:24 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

If you use 2-step authentication you probably have to create a so-called app specific password by logging in to your Gmail account online, it’s probably somewhere under the security section and then use that password instead of your regular Gmail password to log into Outlook.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brenda Emerson-Alford
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 1:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Problem with Internet email in outlook

 

I am using jaws 2019 on windows 1903. I have Microsoft 2016. I am having a problem with Outlook receiving my Gmail. It had been working before I traveled. Even though I took my hotspot with me for Wi-Fi connection I was on able to originally get my email through outlook on my laptop. Eventually I was able to make it work through Gmail by responding to a critical alert and letting them know it was me. Now that I am back I cannot get my email to come through on Outlook. I continually receive a prompt to enter my password for my Gmail account. It is properly entered. I hit OK and I get the same message over and over again. I did go into Gmail and set up second verification using a text message. I’m not sure if that is interfering with things now or not. I had the problem before I set up the second verification process. I would love to hear any thoughts on what to do. Thanks.


On Feb 29, 2020, at 5:20 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:

Hi,

I had to reset my computer today.

After the reset, I noticed that the mobile versions of the office apps, except Outlook were installed.

Outlook wasn’t there, so I figured I’d give the win10 mail app another shot.

 

I’ve used it before, but its been at least a year, since I tried it last.

 

Its working well, but I can’t figure out how to change the order of accounts, or if that’s even possible?

 

Thanks,

 

Jessica

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

moderated Re: Problem with Internet email in outlook

Brenda Emerson-Alford
 

I already have two step verification turned off. I also have the allow third-party apps checked. Are you telling me it’s still probably best to put in a new password? Thanks.


On Mar 3, 2020, at 10:42 AM, HH. Smith Jr. <josham129@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

Have you tried going your control panel and type in the search box “mail” (without the quotes), then click on the email button. It brings you to a screen with several buttons. Find the one that says repair using your tab key and follow the screen prompts. HTH

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pramit
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 2:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with Internet email in outlook

 

Hi Brenda,

 

If you have 2-step verification turned on, then with the current gmail password you'll not be able to get your email through outlook. 

To be able to receive gmail email through outlook, open your gmail account and navigate to security and then Turn On Less Secure App Access

And create a password for your outlook and use that new generated password to login to your outlook account.

Hope this helps

 

Pramit

 

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 2:58 AM Brenda Emerson-Alford <blea417@...> wrote:

I am using jaws 2019 on windows 1903. I have Microsoft 2016. I am having a problem with Outlook receiving my Gmail. It had been working before I traveled. Even though I took my hotspot with me for Wi-Fi connection I was on able to originally get my email through outlook on my laptop. Eventually I was able to make it work through Gmail by responding to a critical alert and letting them know it was me. Now that I am back I cannot get my email to come through on Outlook. I continually receive a prompt to enter my password for my Gmail account. It is properly entered. I hit OK and I get the same message over and over again. I did go into Gmail and set up second verification using a text message. I’m not sure if that is interfering with things now or not. I had the problem before I set up the second verification process. I would love to hear any thoughts on what to do. Thanks.


On Feb 29, 2020, at 5:20 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:

Hi,

I had to reset my computer today.

After the reset, I noticed that the mobile versions of the office apps, except Outlook were installed.

Outlook wasn’t there, so I figured I’d give the win10 mail app another shot.

 

I’ve used it before, but its been at least a year, since I tried it last.

 

Its working well, but I can’t figure out how to change the order of accounts, or if that’s even possible?

 

Thanks,

 

Jessica

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

moderated Re: Problem with Internet email in outlook

Brenda Emerson-Alford
 

Thanks for the suggestions so far. I am completely frustrated. I have turned off two step verification on Gmail. I cleared every security critical warning asking if it was me. This morning I still get the same box asking me to enter a username for my Internet email account at Gmail. Which server should be listed as my server with Gmail? It was originally pop but I did change it over to SMPT. Let me know what you guys think.


On Mar 2, 2020, at 8:24 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

If you use 2-step authentication you probably have to create a so-called app specific password by logging in to your Gmail account online, it’s probably somewhere under the security section and then use that password instead of your regular Gmail password to log into Outlook.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brenda Emerson-Alford
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 1:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Problem with Internet email in outlook

 

I am using jaws 2019 on windows 1903. I have Microsoft 2016. I am having a problem with Outlook receiving my Gmail. It had been working before I traveled. Even though I took my hotspot with me for Wi-Fi connection I was on able to originally get my email through outlook on my laptop. Eventually I was able to make it work through Gmail by responding to a critical alert and letting them know it was me. Now that I am back I cannot get my email to come through on Outlook. I continually receive a prompt to enter my password for my Gmail account. It is properly entered. I hit OK and I get the same message over and over again. I did go into Gmail and set up second verification using a text message. I’m not sure if that is interfering with things now or not. I had the problem before I set up the second verification process. I would love to hear any thoughts on what to do. Thanks.


On Feb 29, 2020, at 5:20 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:

Hi,

I had to reset my computer today.

After the reset, I noticed that the mobile versions of the office apps, except Outlook were installed.

Outlook wasn’t there, so I figured I’d give the win10 mail app another shot.

 

I’ve used it before, but its been at least a year, since I tried it last.

 

Its working well, but I can’t figure out how to change the order of accounts, or if that’s even possible?

 

Thanks,

 

Jessica

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

moderated Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Glenn / Lenny
 


Hell, I am not sure if I even trust American antivirus developers, I have wondered if they create the viruses they later fix.
But I too have had concerns about off-shore antivirus software developers.
I think any mention of such concerns are valid in any forum.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2020 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS


Excuse me, but other list members, the vast majority of whom live here in the states,  have the right to full disclosure about Kaspersky Labs and its ties to the hostle Russian government.  This Moscow-based company has been banned from doing business with US government agencies, so as the saying goes, where' there's smoke, there's fire.  Although Kaspersky's anti-virus products may be legit, the company's real mission is highly questionable, regardless of anyone's political beliefs, and I personally would not trust their software products when Windows Security is free and probably just as effective. But to each, his own.  


Gerald



On 3/4/2020 7:52 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Pozdrawiam,

So much for international relations. Please ignore those political comments. Truly not necessary when dealing with individuals from around the globe. Please Gerald, remember this when addressing our Friends all here about Jaws and not anything more.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 6:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are based in Russia?  There have been allegations that this company may even be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the outcomes of the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even have close ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these allegations are true or not, but why take chances when Windows Security is free and totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?  

Gerald

On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings. I won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with Kaspersky. When using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS being able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with tab or shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working after a while. I am guessing this could have been due to a Kaspersky program update but I cannot confirm this without uninstalling it and reinstalling an earlier version which I honestly don't wish to do. For now the tab key reads nothing and, as you say, using the touch cursor is necessary when navigating in the main window. If you access the program from the system tray choosing the Settings or Task Manager options may be more accessible with JAWS. I do feel that some scripting could solve for many of these issues. Once I learn a little more about scripting I am willing to try and write some Kaspersky scripts but it's going to be a while before this can happen.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS user from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound design and other things. I have came here to discuss this great screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to the best of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK, however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use the touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

moderated Re: Copying contents of a sheet

Pramit
 

Hi John,

While doing copy and paste through excel the spaces in between also gets copied and moved. However on the pasted data you can apply filter and un-select the blanks, then you are only left with cells with data but this too works on column by column basis.

Hope this helps!

Pramit

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 11:23 PM John Doering <john.doering@...> wrote:

Hello:

I need to copy the contents of a sheet and paste the contents into another sheet in another workbook.  The trick is that I do not know which cells in the sheet contain data.

Any suggestions on how to find out what range of cells have data.  Then the best way to select that area to copy to the new sheet.

Any suggestions will be appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

John Doering
Pricing Analyst

Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214
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moderated Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Arkadiusz Świętnicki
 

Everything is allright. Wherever are people, there are opinions and stuff... By the way, anyone have an idea what to do about KTS?

Pozdrawiam,
Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 3:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

I did copy down the incorrect line, thank you for pointing that out. No disrespect to our new member of this list. I also ask all to accept my apology for my defending all of our rights to this list and not attacking those foreign to the United States with political jargon. I'll close this note and ask all to do so as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

BTW, Pozdrawiam means Best Regards. it is not a name.
-------- Original Message --------
From: Rick Mladek [mailto:hmladek@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2020, 7:52 AM
Subject: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS Pozdrawiam,

So much for international relations. Please ignore those political comments. Truly not necessary when dealing with individuals from around the globe. Please Gerald, remember this when addressing our Friends all here about Jaws and not anything more.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 6:31 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are based in Russia? There have been allegations that this company may even be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the outcomes of the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even have close ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these allegations are true or not, but why take chances when Windows Security is free and totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?

Gerald

On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been
using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both
JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings. I
won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a
JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a
detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with
Kaspersky.

<https://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com/2016/11/16/kaspersky-antivirus-a-review-for-screen-reader-users/>When
using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS being
able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with tab or
shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working after a
while. I am guessing this could have been due to a Kaspersky program
update but I cannot confirm this without uninstalling it and
reinstalling an earlier version which I honestly don't wish to do.
For now the tab key reads nothing and, as you say, using the touch
cursor is necessary when navigating in the main window. If you
access the program from the system tray choosing the Settings or
Task Manager options may be more accessible with JAWS. I do feel
that some scripting could solve for many of these issues. Once I
learn a little more about scripting I am willing to try and write
some Kaspersky scripts but it's going to be a while before this can
happen.

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019



WWW.DavidGoldfield.org <http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.org>

On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS user
from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound design
and other things. I have came here to discuss this great
screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to the best
of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS
support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this
software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty
wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK,
however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to
work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use the
touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always
convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s
interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use
it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

moderated Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Rick Mladek
 

I did copy down the incorrect line, thank you for pointing that out. No disrespect to our new member of this list. I also ask all to accept my apology for my defending all of our rights to this list and not attacking those foreign to the United States with political jargon. I'll close this note and ask all to do so as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

BTW, Pozdrawiam means Best Regards. it is not a name.
-------- Original Message --------
From: Rick Mladek [mailto:hmladek@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2020, 7:52 AM
Subject: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS Pozdrawiam,

So much for international relations. Please ignore those political comments. Truly not necessary when dealing with individuals from around the globe. Please Gerald, remember this when addressing our Friends all here about Jaws and not anything more.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 6:31 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are based in Russia? There have been allegations that this company may even be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the outcomes of the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even have close ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these allegations are true or not, but why take chances when Windows Security is free and totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?

Gerald

On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been
using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both
JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings. I
won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a
JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a
detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with
Kaspersky.

<https://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com/2016/11/16/kaspersky-antivirus-a-review-for-screen-reader-users/>When
using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS being
able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with tab or
shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working after a
while. I am guessing this could have been due to a Kaspersky program
update but I cannot confirm this without uninstalling it and
reinstalling an earlier version which I honestly don't wish to do.
For now the tab key reads nothing and, as you say, using the touch
cursor is necessary when navigating in the main window. If you
access the program from the system tray choosing the Settings or
Task Manager options may be more accessible with JAWS. I do feel
that some scripting could solve for many of these issues. Once I
learn a little more about scripting I am willing to try and write
some Kaspersky scripts but it's going to be a while before this can
happen.

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019



WWW.DavidGoldfield.org <http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.org>

On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS user
from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound design
and other things. I have came here to discuss this great
screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to the best
of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS
support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this
software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty
wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK,
however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to
work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use the
touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always
convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s
interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use
it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

moderated Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Mario
 

BTW, Pozdrawiam means Best Regards. it is not a name.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Rick Mladek [mailto:hmladek@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2020, 7:52 AM
Subject: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS
Pozdrawiam,

So much for international relations. Please ignore those political
comments. Truly not necessary when dealing with individuals from around
the globe. Please Gerald, remember this when addressing our Friends all
here about Jaws and not anything more.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gerald
Levy via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 6:31 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are
based in Russia?  There have been allegations that this company may even
be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the outcomes of
the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even have close
ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these allegations are
true or not, but why take chances when Windows Security is free and
totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?

Gerald

On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been
using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both
JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings. I
won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a
JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a
detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with
Kaspersky.

<https://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com/2016/11/16/kaspersky-antivirus-a-review-for-screen-reader-users/>When
using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS being
able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with tab or
shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working after a
while. I am guessing this could have been due to a Kaspersky program
update but I cannot confirm this without uninstalling it and
reinstalling an earlier version which I honestly don't wish to do.
For now the tab key reads nothing and, as you say, using the touch
cursor is necessary when navigating in the main window. If you
access the program from the system tray choosing the Settings or
Task Manager options may be more accessible with JAWS. I do feel
that some scripting could solve for many of these issues. Once I
learn a little more about scripting I am willing to try and write
some Kaspersky scripts but it's going to be a while before this can
happen.

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019



WWW.DavidGoldfield.org <http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.org>

On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS user
from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound design
and other things. I have came here to discuss this great
screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to the best
of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS
support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this
software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty
wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK,
however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to
work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use the
touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always
convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s
interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use
it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

moderated Re: Unable to activate button menu-paypal.com

Arkadiusz Świętnicki
 

Hey Norma,

Try pressing Insert+X so the smart mode is set to off. Then try and browse to your button with B, down or right arrow and hit it with space.

 

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Norma A. Boge
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 3:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to activate button menu-paypal.com

 

Hi Adrian and all on this thread,

 

Using J2020, landing on the problem button, Jaws says:

“Actions Remind Button button menu‑ collapsed‑ menu”

So, when I activated the button, I was actually hitting the remind button instead of opening the menu.

Using J2019, Jaws correctly reads the remind and menu buttons as 2 separate, one below the other. Why J2020 didn’t see this, I don’t know. But I definitely need to somehow adjust J2020 so this mistake does not happen again.

I will take the remainder of my problem directly to Paypal because although I am hitting enter on the cancel button, I’m not getting the confirm dialogue so something is still hinky.

With J2020 I’ve experienced Jaws mistakenly reading as outlined above, but the confusion didn’t create such a major problem until now.  If anyone has a fix for this in particular, please let me know.

Someone on the list once said that running the most current version of Jaws gives one the best accessibility. I disagree. And I think a number of others on this list would, as well.

 

Thanks again everyone,

Norma

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 11:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to activate button menu-paypal.com

 

Norma,

To add to the suggestions in the thread below, you might try any of the following:

Maximize the webpage and then press JAWS key+escape to “repaint” it.

Unload and reload JAWS.

Unload JAWS 2020 and, if you have one on your system, try an earlier version. I recently noticed that JAWS 18 can accomplish some tasks that JAWS 2020 won’t.

If you haven’t already, reboot your system and start over.

For the record, I haven’t recently had accessibility problems with PayPal, but I may not have needed to execute this particular command.

PayPal has, or used to have, a recognize accessible technology expert on staff. If you can’t resolve this problem, I’m guessing they’d be receptive to working with you, especially with cancelling this transaction.

I’m sorry you’re experiencing such frustration. It’s awful when you reach the button you need and it won’t work.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 12:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to activate button menu-paypal.com

 

Hi Norma,

Have you tried the space bar on the button?

Also, did you do insert + F5 and down arrow to the desired button?

Another thing to try is to get to the button and do insert + #3 (above the E key) which is enter key to pass through

and then try enter and/or space bar.

HTH.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2020 5:45 PM

Subject: Re: Unable to activate button menu-paypal.com

 

Just tried it, seems to do nothing. Thanks none the less, Norma

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 5:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to activate button menu-paypal.com

 

Have you tried a simulated left mouse click?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Norma A. Boge
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 5:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Unable to activate button menu-paypal.com

 

Hey group,

 

I’m using Jaws 2020 and I’ve tried to activate a menu button on Paypal. Specifically, it’s in Invoice Activity. I’ve tried with Edge, Firefox 72.0.1  and Chrome 80.0.3987.122. Here’s the speech history:

 

Column 10
Actions
Remind
Button‑ 
button menu‑ collapsed‑
Column 11

 

I’ve tried PC, Jaws and Touch cursors and from the list of buttons. It doesn’t open a menu, it just takes me to the detail page of the selected invoice. (No go with NVDA, either, for what it’s worth.)

I need to cancel the invoice, and I read that option is in this menu I can’t get to open.

Ideas will be most welcome.

 

Thanks,

Norma

moderated Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Arkadiusz Świętnicki
 

I wish there were more groups about JFW.

 

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jschliff@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 2:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

 

I agree, I am on the verge of leaving this group because there are instances where the group loses focus on its real purpose, Jaws and it’s solutions to provide all of us with real meaningful use of our computers.  I am too busy to follow the nonsense!

 

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

 

Start your political nonsense group, you have no right throwing this out when this list is for Jaws, not your political views forced down the throats of those not within the United States. Stop it already!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

 

 

Excuse me, but other list members, the vast majority of whom live here in the states,  have the right to full disclosure about Kaspersky Labs and its ties to the hostle Russian government.  This Moscow-based company has been banned from doing business with US government agencies, so as the saying goes, where' there's smoke, there's fire.  Although Kaspersky's anti-virus products may be legit, the company's real mission is highly questionable, regardless of anyone's political beliefs, and I personally would not trust their software products when Windows Security is free and probably just as effective. But to each, his own.  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 3/4/2020 7:52 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Pozdrawiam,

 

So much for international relations. Please ignore those political comments. Truly not necessary when dealing with individuals from around the globe. Please Gerald, remember this when addressing our Friends all here about Jaws and not anything more.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 6:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

 

 

Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are based in Russia?  There have been allegations that this company may even be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the outcomes of the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even have close ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these allegations are true or not, but why take chances when Windows Security is free and totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings. I won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with Kaspersky. When using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS being able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with tab or shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working after a while. I am guessing this could have been due to a Kaspersky program update but I cannot confirm this without uninstalling it and reinstalling an earlier version which I honestly don't wish to do. For now the tab key reads nothing and, as you say, using the touch cursor is necessary when navigating in the main window. If you access the program from the system tray choosing the Settings or Task Manager options may be more accessible with JAWS. I do feel that some scripting could solve for many of these issues. Once I learn a little more about scripting I am willing to try and write some Kaspersky scripts but it's going to be a while before this can happen.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS user from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound design and other things. I have came here to discuss this great screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to the best of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK, however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use the touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 

moderated Re: Unable to activate button menu-paypal.com

Norma A. Boge
 

Hi Adrian and all on this thread,

 

Using J2020, landing on the problem button, Jaws says:

“Actions Remind Button button menu‑ collapsed‑ menu”

So, when I activated the button, I was actually hitting the remind button instead of opening the menu.

Using J2019, Jaws correctly reads the remind and menu buttons as 2 separate, one below the other. Why J2020 didn’t see this, I don’t know. But I definitely need to somehow adjust J2020 so this mistake does not happen again.

I will take the remainder of my problem directly to Paypal because although I am hitting enter on the cancel button, I’m not getting the confirm dialogue so something is still hinky.

With J2020 I’ve experienced Jaws mistakenly reading as outlined above, but the confusion didn’t create such a major problem until now.  If anyone has a fix for this in particular, please let me know.

Someone on the list once said that running the most current version of Jaws gives one the best accessibility. I disagree. And I think a number of others on this list would, as well.

 

Thanks again everyone,

Norma

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 11:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to activate button menu-paypal.com

 

Norma,

To add to the suggestions in the thread below, you might try any of the following:

Maximize the webpage and then press JAWS key+escape to “repaint” it.

Unload and reload JAWS.

Unload JAWS 2020 and, if you have one on your system, try an earlier version. I recently noticed that JAWS 18 can accomplish some tasks that JAWS 2020 won’t.

If you haven’t already, reboot your system and start over.

For the record, I haven’t recently had accessibility problems with PayPal, but I may not have needed to execute this particular command.

PayPal has, or used to have, a recognize accessible technology expert on staff. If you can’t resolve this problem, I’m guessing they’d be receptive to working with you, especially with cancelling this transaction.

I’m sorry you’re experiencing such frustration. It’s awful when you reach the button you need and it won’t work.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 12:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to activate button menu-paypal.com

 

Hi Norma,

Have you tried the space bar on the button?

Also, did you do insert + F5 and down arrow to the desired button?

Another thing to try is to get to the button and do insert + #3 (above the E key) which is enter key to pass through

and then try enter and/or space bar.

HTH.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2020 5:45 PM

Subject: Re: Unable to activate button menu-paypal.com

 

Just tried it, seems to do nothing. Thanks none the less, Norma

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 5:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to activate button menu-paypal.com

 

Have you tried a simulated left mouse click?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Norma A. Boge
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 5:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Unable to activate button menu-paypal.com

 

Hey group,

 

I’m using Jaws 2020 and I’ve tried to activate a menu button on Paypal. Specifically, it’s in Invoice Activity. I’ve tried with Edge, Firefox 72.0.1  and Chrome 80.0.3987.122. Here’s the speech history:

 

Column 10
Actions
Remind
Button‑ 
button menu‑ collapsed‑
Column 11

 

I’ve tried PC, Jaws and Touch cursors and from the list of buttons. It doesn’t open a menu, it just takes me to the detail page of the selected invoice. (No go with NVDA, either, for what it’s worth.)

I need to cancel the invoice, and I read that option is in this menu I can’t get to open.

Ideas will be most welcome.

 

Thanks,

Norma

moderated Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Jschliff@...
 

I agree, I am on the verge of leaving this group because there are instances where the group loses focus on its real purpose, Jaws and it’s solutions to provide all of us with real meaningful use of our computers.  I am too busy to follow the nonsense!

 

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

 

Start your political nonsense group, you have no right throwing this out when this list is for Jaws, not your political views forced down the throats of those not within the United States. Stop it already!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

 

 

Excuse me, but other list members, the vast majority of whom live here in the states,  have the right to full disclosure about Kaspersky Labs and its ties to the hostle Russian government.  This Moscow-based company has been banned from doing business with US government agencies, so as the saying goes, where' there's smoke, there's fire.  Although Kaspersky's anti-virus products may be legit, the company's real mission is highly questionable, regardless of anyone's political beliefs, and I personally would not trust their software products when Windows Security is free and probably just as effective. But to each, his own.  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 3/4/2020 7:52 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Pozdrawiam,

 

So much for international relations. Please ignore those political comments. Truly not necessary when dealing with individuals from around the globe. Please Gerald, remember this when addressing our Friends all here about Jaws and not anything more.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 6:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

 

 

Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are based in Russia?  There have been allegations that this company may even be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the outcomes of the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even have close ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these allegations are true or not, but why take chances when Windows Security is free and totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings. I won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with Kaspersky. When using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS being able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with tab or shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working after a while. I am guessing this could have been due to a Kaspersky program update but I cannot confirm this without uninstalling it and reinstalling an earlier version which I honestly don't wish to do. For now the tab key reads nothing and, as you say, using the touch cursor is necessary when navigating in the main window. If you access the program from the system tray choosing the Settings or Task Manager options may be more accessible with JAWS. I do feel that some scripting could solve for many of these issues. Once I learn a little more about scripting I am willing to try and write some Kaspersky scripts but it's going to be a while before this can happen.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS user from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound design and other things. I have came here to discuss this great screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to the best of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK, however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use the touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno