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moderated Re: Braille Printers suggestion

Andrew J. LaPointe
 

Can you give me an idea of cost? Also, how sharp is the braille? Thank you for replying. Andy and Shubert

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Suratim
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 6:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Braille Printers suggestion

hello,
I recommend you using Basic-DV5 braille embosser I have one and happy with it

On 3/6/20, Andrew J. LaPointe <alapointe89@...> wrote:
Hello, I want to find a used Braille Printer within
reasonable price. I would prefer interpoint but, not absolutely
necessary.
Of course, a new printer would be nice, the cost is not. Does anyone
have a suggestion on a BRL printer tht won't fall apart before my
eyes?

I know where I can borrow one but, it is about 12-15 years old and is
either parallel or seriel port. I am looking around for a converter
cable to USB and it is not recommended. Not even sure if I can find
the drivers.
Thanks
for any help here. Andy and Shubert



Andrew J. LaPointe, President

Friends of the Salem Council on Aging

34 Raymond Ave.

Salem, MA. 01970

Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185



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Notebook

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moderated Re: Braille Printers suggestion

Suratim
 

hello,
I recommend you using Basic-DV5 braille embosser
I have one and happy with it

On 3/6/20, Andrew J. LaPointe <alapointe89@...> wrote:
Hello, I want to find a used Braille Printer within
reasonable price. I would prefer interpoint but, not absolutely
necessary.
Of course, a new printer would be nice, the cost is not. Does anyone have
a
suggestion on a BRL printer tht won't fall apart before my eyes?

I know where I can borrow one but, it is about 12-15 years old and is
either
parallel or seriel port. I am looking around for a converter cable to USB
and it is not recommended. Not even sure if I can find the drivers.
Thanks
for any help here. Andy and Shubert



Andrew J. LaPointe, President

Friends of the Salem Council on Aging

34 Raymond Ave.

Salem, MA. 01970

Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185



Editor, Commission Commuter Update and the Safe Disabled Traveler Notebook

Talking Information Center






--
best and regards,
Suratim
Official Telelight's reseller
twitter: @suratim
facebook: fb.me/suratiminfo
whatsapp / telegram: +6281535213878
telegram channel: https://t.me/aksesibel

moderated Re: Braille Printers suggestion

Chris Hill
 

The cool thing about braille printing is that drivers aren't really necessary.  Set it up as text only and print to it with the right software and you're good to go.  The hardest thing is finding a usb to parallel or serial adapter that is something more than complete junk.  If you ever run onto an index basic, it might be worth your consideration.  I bought a used one, and I'm pretty happy with it.




On 3/5/2020 16:07, Andrew J. LaPointe wrote:

                Hello, I want to find a used Braille Printer within reasonable price.   I would prefer interpoint but, not absolutely necessary.  Of course, a new printer would be nice, the cost is not.  Does anyone have a suggestion on a BRL printer tht won’t fall apart before my eyes?

I know where I can borrow one but, it is about 12-15 years old and is either parallel or seriel port.  I am looking around for a converter cable to USB and it is not recommended.  Not even sure if I can find the drivers.  Thanks for any help here.  Andy and Shubert

 

Andrew J. LaPointe, President

Friends of the Salem Council on Aging

34 Raymond Ave.

Salem, MA. 01970

Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185

 

Editor, Commission Commuter Update and the Safe Disabled Traveler Notebook

Talking Information Center

 

moderated Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Abraham Sweiss
 

I agree. All I use now for security on windows 10 windows defender and windows firewall.
They perform as well or better than the third party options.
However there is no one single product which will protect you from anything or yourself.


Thanks,abraham

On Mar 5, 2020, at 3:10 PM, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:

Dave,
Windows existed long before windows XP, and had no virus protection other
than third-party software.
And when it did start producing something, it was under par compared with
the third-party software.
Now it has gotten its act together, since Windows 7.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS


Hello Glen:

I do not know where you got the idea that Microsoft were reluctant to
produce their own Antivirus software. If that was the case, why did they
produce Microsoft Essentials for Windows XP, Windows Vista and Windows 7.

As far as I know, Windows Defender, including its Antivirus component, was
always going to be available as the default protection software, for
windows8, 8.1 and Windows 10.

Dave durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn / Lenny" <glennervin@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS


I agree, I only use Microsoft's Defender, and I must say that it was long
over-due, Microsoft should have been protecting their system from the
start.
I think that they were getting into trouble with anti-trust suits like
with
it's Internet Explorer and other such programs that seemed to keep the
competition out, so MS was reluctant to make its own anti-virus program
for
fear that they were again killing off competition.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Longmore" <danlongmore44@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS


Hi,
While I appreciate your feelings , the most recent Freedom Scientific
podcast stated that Windows Defender is very effective and the most
effective anti virus for most users. And Eric from Vespero said this
assumes
that you are not "doing something stupid" while surfing the net.
I have used Windows Defender and has done just fine. Now, nothing against
other anti virus programs but let's not trash Defender just based on
personal experiences or preferences.

Dan
PS Many days I have your same feelings toward JAWS.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Emre Rencber
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Windows defender is not effective. A completely fiasco software. We know
that the first virus in computer history was written by Bill Gates. So why
do we trust Microsoft so much? Kaspersky says there is no such thing. They
even say we can show our source code. Despite this, I do not go and use an
antivirus that does nothing. Kaspersky also has a free antivirus.

2020-03-04 16:19 GMT+03:00, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
<bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>:

Excuse me, but other list members, the vast majority of whom live here
in the states, have the right to full disclosure about Kaspersky Labs
and its ties to the hostle Russian government. This Moscow-based
company has been banned from doing business with US government
agencies, so as the saying goes, where' there's smoke, there's fire.
Although Kaspersky's anti-virus products may be legit, the company's
real mission is highly questionable, regardless of anyone's political
beliefs, and I personally would not trust their software products when
Windows Security is free and probably just as effective. But to each, his
own.


Gerald



On 3/4/2020 7:52 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Pozdrawiam,

So much for international relations. Please ignore those political
comments. Truly not necessary when dealing with individuals from
around the globe. Please Gerald, remember this when addressing our
Friends all here about Jaws and not anything more.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gerald
Levy via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 6:31 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are
based in Russia? There have been allegations that this company may
even be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the
outcomes of the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even
have close ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these
allegations are true or not, but why take chances when Windows
Security is free and totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?

Gerald

On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been
using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both
JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings.
I won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a
JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a
detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with
Kaspersky.

<https://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com/2016/11/16/kaspersky-antivirus-a-review-for-screen-reader-users/>When
using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS
being able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with
tab or shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working
after a while. I am guessing this could have been due to a
Kaspersky program update but I cannot confirm this without
uninstalling it and reinstalling an earlier version which I
honestly don't wish to do. For now the tab key reads nothing and,
as you say, using the touch cursor is necessary when navigating in
the main window. If you access the program from the system tray
choosing the Settings or Task Manager options may be more
accessible with JAWS. I do feel that some scripting could solve
for many of these issues. Once I learn a little more about
scripting I am willing to try and write some Kaspersky scripts but
it's going to be a while before this can happen.

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org <http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.org>

On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS
user from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound
design and other things. I have came here to discuss this
great screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to
the best of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS
support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this
software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty
wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK,
however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to
work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use
the touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always
convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s
interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use
it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno















moderated Braille Printers suggestion

Andrew J. LaPointe
 

                Hello, I want to find a used Braille Printer within reasonable price.   I would prefer interpoint but, not absolutely necessary.  Of course, a new printer would be nice, the cost is not.  Does anyone have a suggestion on a BRL printer tht won’t fall apart before my eyes?

I know where I can borrow one but, it is about 12-15 years old and is either parallel or seriel port.  I am looking around for a converter cable to USB and it is not recommended.  Not even sure if I can find the drivers.  Thanks for any help here.  Andy and Shubert

 

Andrew J. LaPointe, President

Friends of the Salem Council on Aging

34 Raymond Ave.

Salem, MA. 01970

Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185

 

Editor, Commission Commuter Update and the Safe Disabled Traveler Notebook

Talking Information Center

 

moderated Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

James Homuth
 

Your antivirus program is only as good as the one using it. If you're an idiot online, Caspersky will last about 10 minutes. If you know what you're doing, Windows Defender/MSSE and common sense is really all you need. The difference is your ability to pay attention. A shocking number of people tend to forget how to do that as soon as they stick themselves in front of anything electronic. Which, I mean, whatever works--it's those people that keep me employed.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Emre Rencber
Sent: March-05-20 12:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Freedom Scientific and Vispero are not a security company. They are developers of screen readers. Every person and every institution has their own specialties. Therefore, VFO may not have enough information about the security levels of antiviruses.

2020-03-05 20:26 GMT+03:00, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@...>:
Hi,
While I appreciate your feelings , the most recent Freedom
Scientific podcast stated that Windows Defender is very effective and
the most effective anti virus for most users. And Eric from Vespero
said this assumes that you are not "doing something stupid" while surfing the net.
I have used Windows Defender and has done just fine. Now, nothing
against other anti virus programs but let's not trash Defender just
based on personal experiences or preferences.

Dan
PS Many days I have your same feelings toward JAWS.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Emre
Rencber
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Windows defender is not effective. A completely fiasco software. We
know that the first virus in computer history was written by Bill
Gates. So why do we trust Microsoft so much? Kaspersky says there is
no such thing. They even say we can show our source code. Despite
this, I do not go and use an antivirus that does nothing. Kaspersky also has a free antivirus.

2020-03-04 16:19 GMT+03:00, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
<bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>:

Excuse me, but other list members, the vast majority of whom live
here in the states, have the right to full disclosure about
Kaspersky Labs and its ties to the hostle Russian government. This
Moscow-based company has been banned from doing business with US
government agencies, so as the saying goes, where' there's smoke, there's fire.
Although Kaspersky's anti-virus products may be legit, the company's
real mission is highly questionable, regardless of anyone's political
beliefs, and I personally would not trust their software products
when Windows Security is free and probably just as effective. But to
each, his own.


Gerald



On 3/4/2020 7:52 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Pozdrawiam,

So much for international relations. Please ignore those political
comments. Truly not necessary when dealing with individuals from
around the globe. Please Gerald, remember this when addressing our
Friends all here about Jaws and not anything more.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gerald
Levy via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 6:31 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are
based in Russia? There have been allegations that this company may
even be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the
outcomes of the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may
even have close ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these
allegations are true or not, but why take chances when Windows
Security is free and totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?

Gerald

On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been
using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both
JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings.
I won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a
JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a
detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with
Kaspersky.

<https://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com/2016/11/16/kaspersky-antivirus-a-review-for-screen-reader-users/>When
using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS
being able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with
tab or shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working
after a while. I am guessing this could have been due to a
Kaspersky program update but I cannot confirm this without
uninstalling it and reinstalling an earlier version which I
honestly don't wish to do. For now the tab key reads nothing and,
as you say, using the touch cursor is necessary when navigating in
the main window. If you access the program from the system tray
choosing the Settings or Task Manager options may be more
accessible with JAWS. I do feel that some scripting could solve
for many of these issues. Once I learn a little more about
scripting I am willing to try and write some Kaspersky scripts but
it's going to be a while before this can happen.

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org <http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.org>

On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS
user from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound
design and other things. I have came here to discuss this
great screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to
the best of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS
support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this
software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty
wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK,
however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to
work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use
the touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always
convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s
interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use
it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno









moderated Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Emre Rencber
 

Freedom Scientific and Vispero are not a security company. They are
developers of screen readers. Every person and every institution has
their own specialties. Therefore, VFO may not have enough information
about the security levels of antiviruses.

2020-03-05 20:26 GMT+03:00, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@...>:

Hi,
While I appreciate your feelings , the most recent Freedom Scientific
podcast stated that Windows Defender is very effective and the most
effective anti virus for most users. And Eric from Vespero said this assumes
that you are not "doing something stupid" while surfing the net.
I have used Windows Defender and has done just fine. Now, nothing against
other anti virus programs but let's not trash Defender just based on
personal experiences or preferences.

Dan
PS Many days I have your same feelings toward JAWS.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Emre Rencber
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Windows defender is not effective. A completely fiasco software. We know
that the first virus in computer history was written by Bill Gates. So why
do we trust Microsoft so much? Kaspersky says there is no such thing. They
even say we can show our source code. Despite this, I do not go and use an
antivirus that does nothing. Kaspersky also has a free antivirus.

2020-03-04 16:19 GMT+03:00, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
<bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>:

Excuse me, but other list members, the vast majority of whom live here
in the states, have the right to full disclosure about Kaspersky Labs
and its ties to the hostle Russian government. This Moscow-based
company has been banned from doing business with US government
agencies, so as the saying goes, where' there's smoke, there's fire.
Although Kaspersky's anti-virus products may be legit, the company's
real mission is highly questionable, regardless of anyone's political
beliefs, and I personally would not trust their software products when
Windows Security is free and probably just as effective. But to each, his
own.


Gerald



On 3/4/2020 7:52 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Pozdrawiam,

So much for international relations. Please ignore those political
comments. Truly not necessary when dealing with individuals from
around the globe. Please Gerald, remember this when addressing our
Friends all here about Jaws and not anything more.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gerald
Levy via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 6:31 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are
based in Russia? There have been allegations that this company may
even be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the
outcomes of the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even
have close ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these
allegations are true or not, but why take chances when Windows
Security is free and totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?

Gerald

On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been
using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both
JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings.
I won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a
JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a
detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with
Kaspersky.

<https://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com/2016/11/16/kaspersky-antivirus-a-review-for-screen-reader-users/>When
using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS
being able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with
tab or shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working
after a while. I am guessing this could have been due to a
Kaspersky program update but I cannot confirm this without
uninstalling it and reinstalling an earlier version which I
honestly don't wish to do. For now the tab key reads nothing and,
as you say, using the touch cursor is necessary when navigating in
the main window. If you access the program from the system tray
choosing the Settings or Task Manager options may be more
accessible with JAWS. I do feel that some scripting could solve
for many of these issues. Once I learn a little more about
scripting I am willing to try and write some Kaspersky scripts but
it's going to be a while before this can happen.

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org <http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.org>

On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS
user from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound
design and other things. I have came here to discuss this
great screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to
the best of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS
support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this
software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty
wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK,
however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to
work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use
the touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always
convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s
interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use
it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno









moderated JAWS performs a hit song thanks to inaccessible document! -unencrypt

Adam Kosakowski
 

Good morning!

What happens when JAWS reads an inaccessible flyer? Well, sometimes a new hit song is discovered! Enjoy it here and laugh on this lovely Thursday:

https://twitter.com/neatwithadam/status/1235204761365999617?s=21

This video was made in an effort to spread awareness for digital accessibility yesterday, during National AT Awareness Day, and it has a lot of views! Today, I figured the audience it impacts most would enjoy it as well, so I wanted to pass it along.

Enjoy!
Adam Kosakowski
AT Specialist
NEAT Center of Oak Hill
Hartford, CT

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moderated Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Glenn / Lenny
 

Dave,
Windows existed long before windows XP, and had no virus protection other
than third-party software.
And when it did start producing something, it was under par compared with
the third-party software.
Now it has gotten its act together, since Windows 7.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS


Hello Glen:

I do not know where you got the idea that Microsoft were reluctant to
produce their own Antivirus software. If that was the case, why did they
produce Microsoft Essentials for Windows XP, Windows Vista and Windows 7.

As far as I know, Windows Defender, including its Antivirus component, was
always going to be available as the default protection software, for
windows8, 8.1 and Windows 10.

Dave durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn / Lenny" <glennervin@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS


I agree, I only use Microsoft's Defender, and I must say that it was long
over-due, Microsoft should have been protecting their system from the
start.
I think that they were getting into trouble with anti-trust suits like
with
it's Internet Explorer and other such programs that seemed to keep the
competition out, so MS was reluctant to make its own anti-virus program
for
fear that they were again killing off competition.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Longmore" <danlongmore44@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS


Hi,
While I appreciate your feelings , the most recent Freedom Scientific
podcast stated that Windows Defender is very effective and the most
effective anti virus for most users. And Eric from Vespero said this
assumes
that you are not "doing something stupid" while surfing the net.
I have used Windows Defender and has done just fine. Now, nothing against
other anti virus programs but let's not trash Defender just based on
personal experiences or preferences.

Dan
PS Many days I have your same feelings toward JAWS.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Emre Rencber
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Windows defender is not effective. A completely fiasco software. We know
that the first virus in computer history was written by Bill Gates. So why
do we trust Microsoft so much? Kaspersky says there is no such thing. They
even say we can show our source code. Despite this, I do not go and use an
antivirus that does nothing. Kaspersky also has a free antivirus.

2020-03-04 16:19 GMT+03:00, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
<bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>:

Excuse me, but other list members, the vast majority of whom live here
in the states, have the right to full disclosure about Kaspersky Labs
and its ties to the hostle Russian government. This Moscow-based
company has been banned from doing business with US government
agencies, so as the saying goes, where' there's smoke, there's fire.
Although Kaspersky's anti-virus products may be legit, the company's
real mission is highly questionable, regardless of anyone's political
beliefs, and I personally would not trust their software products when
Windows Security is free and probably just as effective. But to each, his
own.


Gerald



On 3/4/2020 7:52 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Pozdrawiam,

So much for international relations. Please ignore those political
comments. Truly not necessary when dealing with individuals from
around the globe. Please Gerald, remember this when addressing our
Friends all here about Jaws and not anything more.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gerald
Levy via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 6:31 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are
based in Russia? There have been allegations that this company may
even be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the
outcomes of the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even
have close ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these
allegations are true or not, but why take chances when Windows
Security is free and totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?

Gerald

On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been
using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both
JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings.
I won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a
JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a
detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with
Kaspersky.

<https://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com/2016/11/16/kaspersky-antivirus-a-review-for-screen-reader-users/>When
using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS
being able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with
tab or shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working
after a while. I am guessing this could have been due to a
Kaspersky program update but I cannot confirm this without
uninstalling it and reinstalling an earlier version which I
honestly don't wish to do. For now the tab key reads nothing and,
as you say, using the touch cursor is necessary when navigating in
the main window. If you access the program from the system tray
choosing the Settings or Task Manager options may be more
accessible with JAWS. I do feel that some scripting could solve
for many of these issues. Once I learn a little more about
scripting I am willing to try and write some Kaspersky scripts but
it's going to be a while before this can happen.

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org <http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.org>

On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS
user from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound
design and other things. I have came here to discuss this
great screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to
the best of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS
support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this
software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty
wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK,
however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to
work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use
the touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always
convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s
interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use
it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno













moderated Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Dave Durber
 

Hello Glen:

I do not know where you got the idea that Microsoft were reluctant to produce their own Antivirus software. If that was the case, why did they produce Microsoft Essentials for Windows XP, Windows Vista and Windows 7.

As far as I know, Windows Defender, including its Antivirus component, was always going to be available as the default protection software, for windows8, 8.1 and Windows 10.

Dave durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn / Lenny" <glennervin@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS


I agree, I only use Microsoft's Defender, and I must say that it was long
over-due, Microsoft should have been protecting their system from the start.
I think that they were getting into trouble with anti-trust suits like with
it's Internet Explorer and other such programs that seemed to keep the
competition out, so MS was reluctant to make its own anti-virus program for
fear that they were again killing off competition.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Longmore" <danlongmore44@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS


Hi,
While I appreciate your feelings , the most recent Freedom Scientific
podcast stated that Windows Defender is very effective and the most
effective anti virus for most users. And Eric from Vespero said this assumes
that you are not "doing something stupid" while surfing the net.
I have used Windows Defender and has done just fine. Now, nothing against
other anti virus programs but let's not trash Defender just based on
personal experiences or preferences.

Dan
PS Many days I have your same feelings toward JAWS.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Emre Rencber
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Windows defender is not effective. A completely fiasco software. We know
that the first virus in computer history was written by Bill Gates. So why
do we trust Microsoft so much? Kaspersky says there is no such thing. They
even say we can show our source code. Despite this, I do not go and use an
antivirus that does nothing. Kaspersky also has a free antivirus.

2020-03-04 16:19 GMT+03:00, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
<bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>:

Excuse me, but other list members, the vast majority of whom live here
in the states, have the right to full disclosure about Kaspersky Labs
and its ties to the hostle Russian government. This Moscow-based
company has been banned from doing business with US government
agencies, so as the saying goes, where' there's smoke, there's fire.
Although Kaspersky's anti-virus products may be legit, the company's
real mission is highly questionable, regardless of anyone's political
beliefs, and I personally would not trust their software products when
Windows Security is free and probably just as effective. But to each, his
own.


Gerald



On 3/4/2020 7:52 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Pozdrawiam,

So much for international relations. Please ignore those political
comments. Truly not necessary when dealing with individuals from
around the globe. Please Gerald, remember this when addressing our
Friends all here about Jaws and not anything more.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gerald
Levy via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 6:31 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are
based in Russia? There have been allegations that this company may
even be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the
outcomes of the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even
have close ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these
allegations are true or not, but why take chances when Windows
Security is free and totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?

Gerald

On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been
using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both
JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings.
I won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a
JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a
detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with
Kaspersky.

<https://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com/2016/11/16/kaspersky-antivirus-a-review-for-screen-reader-users/>When
using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS
being able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with
tab or shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working
after a while. I am guessing this could have been due to a
Kaspersky program update but I cannot confirm this without
uninstalling it and reinstalling an earlier version which I
honestly don't wish to do. For now the tab key reads nothing and,
as you say, using the touch cursor is necessary when navigating in
the main window. If you access the program from the system tray
choosing the Settings or Task Manager options may be more
accessible with JAWS. I do feel that some scripting could solve
for many of these issues. Once I learn a little more about
scripting I am willing to try and write some Kaspersky scripts but
it's going to be a while before this can happen.

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org <http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.org>

On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS
user from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound
design and other things. I have came here to discuss this
great screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to
the best of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS
support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this
software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty
wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK,
however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to
work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use
the touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always
convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s
interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use
it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno



moderated Re: classic shell

dennis
 

thanks alan.

On 3/5/2020 12:43 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

Dennis,

 

Try this link:

 

http://www.classicshell.net/

 

Be aware that ClassicShell development ended toward the end of 2017 but you can read about that at the above website before deciding if you want to download it.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of dennis
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 10:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: classic shell

 

anyone know where i can download classic shell? thanks for any help.

--
Dennis Cornelison

--
Dennis Cornelison

moderated Re: classic shell

 

Dennis,

 

Try this link:

 

http://www.classicshell.net/

 

Be aware that ClassicShell development ended toward the end of 2017 but you can read about that at the above website before deciding if you want to download it.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of dennis
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 10:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: classic shell

 

anyone know where i can download classic shell? thanks for any help.

--
Dennis Cornelison

moderated Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Glenn / Lenny
 

I agree, I only use Microsoft's Defender, and I must say that it was long
over-due, Microsoft should have been protecting their system from the start.
I think that they were getting into trouble with anti-trust suits like with
it's Internet Explorer and other such programs that seemed to keep the
competition out, so MS was reluctant to make its own anti-virus program for
fear that they were again killing off competition.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Longmore" <danlongmore44@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS


Hi,
While I appreciate your feelings , the most recent Freedom Scientific
podcast stated that Windows Defender is very effective and the most
effective anti virus for most users. And Eric from Vespero said this assumes
that you are not "doing something stupid" while surfing the net.
I have used Windows Defender and has done just fine. Now, nothing against
other anti virus programs but let's not trash Defender just based on
personal experiences or preferences.

Dan
PS Many days I have your same feelings toward JAWS.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Emre Rencber
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Windows defender is not effective. A completely fiasco software. We know
that the first virus in computer history was written by Bill Gates. So why
do we trust Microsoft so much? Kaspersky says there is no such thing. They
even say we can show our source code. Despite this, I do not go and use an
antivirus that does nothing. Kaspersky also has a free antivirus.

2020-03-04 16:19 GMT+03:00, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
<bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>:

Excuse me, but other list members, the vast majority of whom live here
in the states, have the right to full disclosure about Kaspersky Labs
and its ties to the hostle Russian government. This Moscow-based
company has been banned from doing business with US government
agencies, so as the saying goes, where' there's smoke, there's fire.
Although Kaspersky's anti-virus products may be legit, the company's
real mission is highly questionable, regardless of anyone's political
beliefs, and I personally would not trust their software products when
Windows Security is free and probably just as effective. But to each, his
own.


Gerald



On 3/4/2020 7:52 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Pozdrawiam,

So much for international relations. Please ignore those political
comments. Truly not necessary when dealing with individuals from
around the globe. Please Gerald, remember this when addressing our
Friends all here about Jaws and not anything more.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gerald
Levy via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 6:31 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are
based in Russia? There have been allegations that this company may
even be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the
outcomes of the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even
have close ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these
allegations are true or not, but why take chances when Windows
Security is free and totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?

Gerald

On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been
using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both
JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings.
I won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a
JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a
detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with
Kaspersky.

<https://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com/2016/11/16/kaspersky-antivirus-a-review-for-screen-reader-users/>When
using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS
being able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with
tab or shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working
after a while. I am guessing this could have been due to a
Kaspersky program update but I cannot confirm this without
uninstalling it and reinstalling an earlier version which I
honestly don't wish to do. For now the tab key reads nothing and,
as you say, using the touch cursor is necessary when navigating in
the main window. If you access the program from the system tray
choosing the Settings or Task Manager options may be more
accessible with JAWS. I do feel that some scripting could solve
for many of these issues. Once I learn a little more about
scripting I am willing to try and write some Kaspersky scripts but
it's going to be a while before this can happen.

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org <http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.org>

On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS
user from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound
design and other things. I have came here to discuss this
great screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to
the best of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS
support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this
software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty
wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK,
however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to
work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use
the touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always
convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s
interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use
it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno



moderated Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Dan Longmore
 

Hi,
While I appreciate your feelings , the most recent Freedom Scientific podcast stated that Windows Defender is very effective and the most effective anti virus for most users. And Eric from Vespero said this assumes that you are not "doing something stupid" while surfing the net.
I have used Windows Defender and has done just fine. Now, nothing against other anti virus programs but let's not trash Defender just based on personal experiences or preferences.

Dan
PS Many days I have your same feelings toward JAWS.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Emre Rencber
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Windows defender is not effective. A completely fiasco software. We know that the first virus in computer history was written by Bill Gates. So why do we trust Microsoft so much? Kaspersky says there is no such thing. They even say we can show our source code. Despite this, I do not go and use an antivirus that does nothing. Kaspersky also has a free antivirus.

2020-03-04 16:19 GMT+03:00, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
<bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>:

Excuse me, but other list members, the vast majority of whom live here
in the states, have the right to full disclosure about Kaspersky Labs
and its ties to the hostle Russian government. This Moscow-based
company has been banned from doing business with US government
agencies, so as the saying goes, where' there's smoke, there's fire.
Although Kaspersky's anti-virus products may be legit, the company's
real mission is highly questionable, regardless of anyone's political
beliefs, and I personally would not trust their software products when
Windows Security is free and probably just as effective. But to each, his own.


Gerald



On 3/4/2020 7:52 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Pozdrawiam,

So much for international relations. Please ignore those political
comments. Truly not necessary when dealing with individuals from
around the globe. Please Gerald, remember this when addressing our
Friends all here about Jaws and not anything more.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gerald
Levy via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 6:31 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are
based in Russia? There have been allegations that this company may
even be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the
outcomes of the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even
have close ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these
allegations are true or not, but why take chances when Windows
Security is free and totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?

Gerald

On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been
using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both
JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings.
I won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a
JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a
detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with
Kaspersky.

<https://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com/2016/11/16/kaspersky-antivirus-a-review-for-screen-reader-users/>When
using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS
being able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with
tab or shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working
after a while. I am guessing this could have been due to a
Kaspersky program update but I cannot confirm this without
uninstalling it and reinstalling an earlier version which I
honestly don't wish to do. For now the tab key reads nothing and,
as you say, using the touch cursor is necessary when navigating in
the main window. If you access the program from the system tray
choosing the Settings or Task Manager options may be more
accessible with JAWS. I do feel that some scripting could solve
for many of these issues. Once I learn a little more about
scripting I am willing to try and write some Kaspersky scripts but
it's going to be a while before this can happen.

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org <http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.org>

On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS
user from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound
design and other things. I have came here to discuss this
great screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to
the best of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS
support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this
software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty
wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK,
however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to
work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use
the touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always
convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s
interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use
it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno



moderated Re: Automatically start the screen shade with Jaws

David Kingsbury
 

Hello,

You can use the layered keystroke Insert and Spacebar together, and then F11. THis is a toggle, so same keystrokes to turn it off. It is temporary, so if you restart your computer, screen shade will be off again.

David

moderated Re: classic shell

dennis
 

thanks dave.

On 3/5/2020 10:31 AM, David Griffith wrote:

That and other accessible programs are available from.

https://ninite.com/accessible

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of dennis
Sent: 05 March 2020 16:14
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: classic shell

 

anyone know where i can download classic shell? thanks for any help.

--
Dennis Cornelison

--
Dennis Cornelison

moderated Re: classic shell

Arkadiusz Świętnicki
 

Hi friend!

I do not recommend Classic shell anymore. It broken my friend’s system once and I have said a big “thank you” to this prtogram. When I am configuring PCs for beginners I use Start Is Back. The program is symbolically paid but its worth it if someone is a fan of W7 start menu

 

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 5:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: classic shell

 

That and other accessible programs are available from.

https://ninite.com/accessible

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of dennis
Sent: 05 March 2020 16:14
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: classic shell

 

anyone know where i can download classic shell? thanks for any help.

--
Dennis Cornelison

moderated Re: classic shell

David Griffith
 

That and other accessible programs are available from.

https://ninite.com/accessible

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of dennis
Sent: 05 March 2020 16:14
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: classic shell

 

anyone know where i can download classic shell? thanks for any help.

--
Dennis Cornelison

moderated classic shell

dennis
 

anyone know where i can download classic shell? thanks for any help.

--
Dennis Cornelison

moderated Re: Safe removal of Snowman scripts

Arkadiusz Świętnicki
 

I just deleted the dir and it worked. I just like having everything in great order. Thanks!

 

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matthew Bullis
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 3:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Safe removal of Snowman scripts

 

My answer is it probably won't cause problems, but you can email Jim and ask.

Alternatively, they shouldn't take up much space, so it wouldn't be a problem to leave them there.

Matthew

 



On Mar 5, 2020, at 4:09 AM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki <nuno69a@...> wrote:



Hi,

I’ve installed some of these but I do not need them anymore. Can I safely delete them from my Roaming folder?

 

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno