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moderated Re: Changed order of items shown outside of email

John Covici
 

I wonder if you are using conversation view, this may effect your
result.

On Fri, 01 May 2020 09:41:20 -0400,
kevin meyers wrote:

[1 <text/plain; us-ascii (7bit)>]
Hello, I'm using WS10, Office2016 and most recent version of Jaws2020. I
switched the order of the information that shows when on the outside of an
email in Outlook. Prior to the most recent version of Jaws I had the subject
appear first. Installing the most recent version of Jaws2020 it put the
person sending the email appears first. I then changed the view to have the
subject first. Now there are emails that I have to press enter on twice. I
talked to Microsoft accessibility and they said it was caused by the email
having a string of emails and the subject lines are different from one to
another. Looking at the email The emails after the current one doesn't show
a subject line. Not sure how MS could say the subject line was different.
Plus why would a different subject line cause me to need to press enter
twice. I have other emails that have multiple emails within the current one
and I only have to press enter once. Any suggestions? Thanks, Kevin




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moderated Re: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

Michael Munn
 

Sometime Firefox but mainly Google Chrome 

JAWS Certified, 2019

Member: Virginia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Virginia 

www.nfbv.org

Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind 

www.hadley.edu



On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 3:49 PM Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:

Hi, Gaylen. I use Google Chrome, and now the new Chromium Edge which works a lot better than the old Edge.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gaylen Kapperman
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 11:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: Gaylen Kapperman
Subject: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

 

I am writing for a friend who wants to know which browsers work best with JAWS.  And would you agree that Edge does not work well? Thanks very much.

Gaylen Kapperman

 


moderated Re: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

Norma A. Boge
 

Depending on what I’m needing to do, I use Brave, Chrome, Chromium Edge, Firefox or Waterfox. With my setup, Brave is hands down the fastest. Plus browsing is safe and secure with no tracking. For quick and dirty, it rocks!

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

 

Hey guys!

I use Chrome, the new Chromium Edge, and another browser that might surprise you!

Water Fox is still a great browser, and it is so much like IE!

Water Fox is so simple to use, very fast, and very secure.

Also, another browser I use with JAWS, is the Brave browser.

It is so simple to use, great simple enterface, and it is very secure!

So, I use four different browsers for different situations!

For example, I use Water Fox for mobile facebook site, Chrome to fill out banking forms and the like, Edge, to read PDFs and to do searches, and Brave, to import my favorites to, because that browser is ver easy to organize your bookmarks, and also, Brave is really great if you want to play media on sites!

Have a great one, guys!

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: tina sohl
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

 

Hi. I use chrome. I think edge might've been ok , but it's been a

while since I tried it but I love chrom and jaws 20 together.

Tina

 

On 4/30/20, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:

> Hi, Gaylen. I use Google Chrome, and now the new Chromium Edge which works

> a

> lot better than the old Edge.

> Bill White

> billwhite92701@...

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gaylen

> Kapperman

> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 11:21 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Cc: Gaylen Kapperman

> Subject: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

> I am writing for a friend who wants to know which browsers work best with

> JAWS.  And would you agree that Edge does not work well? Thanks very much.

> Gaylen Kapperman

>

 

 

 


moderated Changed order of items shown outside of email

kevin meyers
 

Hello, I’m using WS10, Office2016 and most recent version of Jaws2020. I switched the order of the information that shows when on the outside of an email in Outlook. Prior to the most recent version of Jaws I had the subject appear first. Installing the most recent version of Jaws2020 it put the person sending the email appears first. I then changed the view to have the subject first. Now there are emails that I have to press enter on twice. I talked to Microsoft accessibility and they said it was caused by the email having a string of emails and the subject lines are different from one to another. Looking at the email The emails after the current one doesn’t show a subject line. Not sure how MS could say the subject line was different. Plus why would a different subject line cause me to need to press enter twice. I have other emails that have multiple emails within the current one and I only have to press enter once. Any suggestions? Thanks, Kevin


moderated Re: Latest JAWS 2020 and continued Outlook 2016 issues

soner
 

Hello, ıf you try to overview the responses coming to your Google form
on Chrome Browser, Jaws does not notify you which fields are selected
by the sender, where as, it does on IE.
If you are a Google form creator, on Chrome, after you click
"İndividual" tab on the response received, you can verify it.

On 5/1/20, soner via groups.io <soner.boun=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
The latest JFW version also causes the WhatsApp Windows app hanging
after a while of use, it simply reads nothing on the app window until
either of the 2 is restarted.

On 4/30/20, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:
Mike,

I had the same problem with Outlook 2016, and the quick settings remedy
was
no longer working. So far this morning, the procedure you lay out here
has
worked. It makes a huge difference.

One addition. At the end, you say to close by tabbing to the apply button.
I
found I had to tab to okay, then tab to apply, then tab again to okay.

Once again, thanks.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 5:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Latest JAWS 2020 and continued Outlook 2016 issues

Hi Bill,

I don't run Outlook, so this is only something to try to see if it'll
take
care of what you're wanting.

Open the Settings Center while in the application or open the default all
applications Settings Center if you want to do this for all applications.

Down arrow to, Web / HTML / PDFs closed, right arrow toopen.

Down arrow to, Reading, right arrow to open.

Down arrow to, Configure Web Verbosity Levels closed, right arrow to
open.

Down arrow to, Medium..., press the spacebar to open. Note, don't press
enter here, only use the spacebar.

Down arrow many times to, Table grid checked, and uncheck this to see if
this helps.

Now apply and okay and hope this works for you.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
*My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I
pee
it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill White<mailto:billwhite92701@...>
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: Latest JAWS 2020 and continued Outlook 2016 issues

Hi, Jonathan. How do you turn off layout tables?

Thank you.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...<mailto:billwhite92701@...>

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Latest JAWS 2020 and continued Outlook 2016 issues

If the detect tables does not work, another possibility is that layout
tables are causing you grief so make sure they are turned off.
Web sites have CSS in order to put text into columns and other cute
layouts,
but Mail generally ignores CSS functions for complex layout so designers
end
up using tables with multi row or multi column spans that can not
effectively be read column by column row by row, so the screen reader
ends
up either reading things repetitively or else skipping important
information.

Sometimes the mail will have a plain text alternative either in the same
message or in a subscribe button. This of course brings its own problems.







moderated Long between clicking Google Chrome program and..

Morey Worthington
 

Morning all. Using W10 newest bill, Jaws 2020, newest bill and Googel Chrome. Lately when clicking on Chrome, Jaws takes 4-5 seconds to go to the search part, then if I hit the alt/F keys there is sometimes 10 seconds to get to another part so that a person can click on bookmarks. I am very seldom in a hurry to get anywhere, but this is getting really bad. Any thoughts?

I have tried restarting the computer, but before that tried turning off Jaws and re-starting it.

Any help appreciated.

Thanks,

Morey Worthington

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


moderated Re: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

Michael Walker
 

Firefox

On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Mario <mrb620@...> wrote:

the latest version of Firefox and Chrome.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Gaylen Kapperman [mailto:gkapperman@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Cc: Gaylen Kapperman <gkapperman@...>
Date: Thursday, April 30, 2020, 2:21 PM
Subject: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS
I am writing for a friend who wants to know which browsers work best
with JAWS. And would you agree that Edge does not work well? Thanks
very much.

Gaylen Kapperman






moderated List Rules - Fri, 05/01/2020 #cal-notice

main@jfw.groups.io Calendar <noreply@...>
 

List Rules

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moderated Re: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

Mario
 

the latest version of Firefox and Chrome.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Gaylen Kapperman [mailto:gkapperman@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Cc: Gaylen Kapperman <gkapperman@...>
Date: Thursday, April 30, 2020, 2:21 PM
Subject: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS
I am writing for a friend who wants to know which browsers work best
with JAWS.  And would you agree that Edge does not work well? Thanks
very much.

Gaylen Kapperman


moderated Re: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

Stan Bobbitt
 

Hello,

I use the new Microsoft Edge now and it works much better than even Google Chrome which I was using before.

I’ve been using it exclusively for about a month now.

 

much thanks,

StanB

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gaylen Kapperman
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 2:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: Gaylen Kapperman <gkapperman@...>
Subject: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

 

I am writing for a friend who wants to know which browsers work best with JAWS.  And would you agree that Edge does not work well? Thanks very much.

Gaylen Kapperman

 


moderated Re: Latest JAWS 2020 and continued Outlook 2016 issues

soner
 

The latest JFW version also causes the WhatsApp Windows app hanging
after a while of use, it simply reads nothing on the app window until
either of the 2 is restarted.

On 4/30/20, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:
Mike,

I had the same problem with Outlook 2016, and the quick settings remedy was
no longer working. So far this morning, the procedure you lay out here has
worked. It makes a huge difference.

One addition. At the end, you say to close by tabbing to the apply button. I
found I had to tab to okay, then tab to apply, then tab again to okay.

Once again, thanks.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 5:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Latest JAWS 2020 and continued Outlook 2016 issues

Hi Bill,

I don't run Outlook, so this is only something to try to see if it'll take
care of what you're wanting.

Open the Settings Center while in the application or open the default all
applications Settings Center if you want to do this for all applications.

Down arrow to, Web / HTML / PDFs closed, right arrow toopen.

Down arrow to, Reading, right arrow to open.

Down arrow to, Configure Web Verbosity Levels closed, right arrow to open.

Down arrow to, Medium..., press the spacebar to open. Note, don't press
enter here, only use the spacebar.

Down arrow many times to, Table grid checked, and uncheck this to see if
this helps.

Now apply and okay and hope this works for you.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
*My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee
it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill White<mailto:billwhite92701@...>
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: Latest JAWS 2020 and continued Outlook 2016 issues

Hi, Jonathan. How do you turn off layout tables?

Thank you.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...<mailto:billwhite92701@...>

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Latest JAWS 2020 and continued Outlook 2016 issues

If the detect tables does not work, another possibility is that layout
tables are causing you grief so make sure they are turned off.
Web sites have CSS in order to put text into columns and other cute layouts,
but Mail generally ignores CSS functions for complex layout so designers end
up using tables with multi row or multi column spans that can not
effectively be read column by column row by row, so the screen reader ends
up either reading things repetitively or else skipping important
information.

Sometimes the mail will have a plain text alternative either in the same
message or in a subscribe button. This of course brings its own problems.





moderated Re: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

Judy
 

I use google chrome most of the time, but stilluse IE for some things and Firefox occasionally. I gave up on Edge, can’t figure it out, too frustrating. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gaylen Kapperman
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 2:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: Gaylen Kapperman
Subject: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

 

I am writing for a friend who wants to know which browsers work best with JAWS.  And would you agree that Edge does not work well? Thanks very much.

Gaylen Kapperman

 


moderated Re: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

David Moore
 

Hey guys!

I use Chrome, the new Chromium Edge, and another browser that might surprise you!

Water Fox is still a great browser, and it is so much like IE!

Water Fox is so simple to use, very fast, and very secure.

Also, another browser I use with JAWS, is the Brave browser.

It is so simple to use, great simple enterface, and it is very secure!

So, I use four different browsers for different situations!

For example, I use Water Fox for mobile facebook site, Chrome to fill out banking forms and the like, Edge, to read PDFs and to do searches, and Brave, to import my favorites to, because that browser is ver easy to organize your bookmarks, and also, Brave is really great if you want to play media on sites!

Have a great one, guys!

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: tina sohl
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

 

Hi. I use chrome. I think edge might've been ok , but it's been a

while since I tried it but I love chrom and jaws 20 together.

Tina

 

On 4/30/20, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:

> Hi, Gaylen. I use Google Chrome, and now the new Chromium Edge which works

> a

> lot better than the old Edge.

> Bill White

> billwhite92701@...

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gaylen

> Kapperman

> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 11:21 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Cc: Gaylen Kapperman

> Subject: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

> I am writing for a friend who wants to know which browsers work best with

> JAWS.  And would you agree that Edge does not work well? Thanks very much.

> Gaylen Kapperman

>

 

 

 


moderated Re: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

tina sohl
 

Hi. I use chrome. I think edge might've been ok , but it's been a
while since I tried it but I love chrom and jaws 20 together.
Tina

On 4/30/20, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:
Hi, Gaylen. I use Google Chrome, and now the new Chromium Edge which works
a
lot better than the old Edge.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gaylen
Kapperman
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 11:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: Gaylen Kapperman
Subject: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

I am writing for a friend who wants to know which browsers work best with
JAWS. And would you agree that Edge does not work well? Thanks very much.
Gaylen Kapperman






moderated Re: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

Bill White
 

Hi, Gaylen. I use Google Chrome, and now the new Chromium Edge which works a lot better than the old Edge.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gaylen Kapperman
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 11:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: Gaylen Kapperman
Subject: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

 

I am writing for a friend who wants to know which browsers work best with JAWS.  And would you agree that Edge does not work well? Thanks very much.

Gaylen Kapperman

 


moderated Re: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

CJ &AA MAY
 

Still clinging onto i.e.  

by Alison may
0777 315 8181

On 30 Apr 2020, at 8:33 pm, Justin Williams <justin.williams2@...> wrote:



Google chrome, and IE.

 

I used firefox, but it stopped working with JAWS, so I stopped with it.

 

I'm hearing that there might have been an update.

 

I'll check into that.

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

 

I’m becoming very happy with Edge Chromium, Google Chrome next and Firefox as a last resort. Too many performance issues and buffering issues with Firefox.

 

From: Gaylen Kapperman <gkapperman@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 12:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: Gaylen Kapperman <gkapperman@...>
Subject: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

 

I am writing for a friend who wants to know which browsers work best with JAWS.  And would you agree that Edge does not work well? Thanks very much.

Gaylen Kapperman

 


moderated Re: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

Maria Campbell
 

I wish there was a way to migrate settings from one browser to another.  I'm too old to like change, but wouldn't mind if I could just migrate settings from IE to Edge.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke
On 4/30/2020 3:33 PM, Justin Williams wrote:

Google chrome, and IE.

 

I used firefox, but it stopped working with JAWS, so I stopped with it.

 

I'm hearing that there might have been an update.

 

I'll check into that.

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

 

I’m becoming very happy with Edge Chromium, Google Chrome next and Firefox as a last resort. Too many performance issues and buffering issues with Firefox.

 

From: Gaylen Kapperman <gkapperman@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 12:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: Gaylen Kapperman <gkapperman@...>
Subject: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

 

I am writing for a friend who wants to know which browsers work best with JAWS.  And would you agree that Edge does not work well? Thanks very much.

Gaylen Kapperman

 


moderated Re: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

Justin Williams
 

Google chrome, and IE.

 

I used firefox, but it stopped working with JAWS, so I stopped with it.

 

I'm hearing that there might have been an update.

 

I'll check into that.

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

 

I’m becoming very happy with Edge Chromium, Google Chrome next and Firefox as a last resort. Too many performance issues and buffering issues with Firefox.

 

From: Gaylen Kapperman <gkapperman@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 12:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: Gaylen Kapperman <gkapperman@...>
Subject: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

 

I am writing for a friend who wants to know which browsers work best with JAWS.  And would you agree that Edge does not work well? Thanks very much.

Gaylen Kapperman

 


moderated Re: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

Steve Matzura
 

Firefox, and Chrome when necessary.


On 4/30/2020 2:21 PM, Gaylen Kapperman wrote:

I am writing for a friend who wants to know which browsers work best with JAWS.  And would you agree that Edge does not work well? Thanks very much.

Gaylen Kapperman



moderated Re: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

Don Mauck
 

I’m becoming very happy with Edge Chromium, Google Chrome next and Firefox as a last resort. Too many performance issues and buffering issues with Firefox.

 

From: Gaylen Kapperman <gkapperman@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 12:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: Gaylen Kapperman <gkapperman@...>
Subject: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

 

I am writing for a friend who wants to know which browsers work best with JAWS.  And would you agree that Edge does not work well? Thanks very much.

Gaylen Kapperman