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moderated Re: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

Justin Williams
 

Google chrome, and IE.

 

I used firefox, but it stopped working with JAWS, so I stopped with it.

 

I'm hearing that there might have been an update.

 

I'll check into that.

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

 

I’m becoming very happy with Edge Chromium, Google Chrome next and Firefox as a last resort. Too many performance issues and buffering issues with Firefox.

 

From: Gaylen Kapperman <gkapperman@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 12:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: Gaylen Kapperman <gkapperman@...>
Subject: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

 

I am writing for a friend who wants to know which browsers work best with JAWS.  And would you agree that Edge does not work well? Thanks very much.

Gaylen Kapperman

 


moderated Re: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

Steve Matzura
 

Firefox, and Chrome when necessary.


On 4/30/2020 2:21 PM, Gaylen Kapperman wrote:

I am writing for a friend who wants to know which browsers work best with JAWS.  And would you agree that Edge does not work well? Thanks very much.

Gaylen Kapperman



moderated Re: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

Don Mauck
 

I’m becoming very happy with Edge Chromium, Google Chrome next and Firefox as a last resort. Too many performance issues and buffering issues with Firefox.

 

From: Gaylen Kapperman <gkapperman@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 12:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: Gaylen Kapperman <gkapperman@...>
Subject: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

 

I am writing for a friend who wants to know which browsers work best with JAWS.  And would you agree that Edge does not work well? Thanks very much.

Gaylen Kapperman

 


moderated Re: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

Marianne Denning
 

I use Microsoft Edge and Google Chrome. I use Chrome the most. I used to use Firefox but it doesn’t work well for me any more.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gaylen Kapperman
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 2:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: Gaylen Kapperman <gkapperman@...>
Subject: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

 

I am writing for a friend who wants to know which browsers work best with JAWS.  And would you agree that Edge does not work well? Thanks very much.

Gaylen Kapperman

 


moderated Re: please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

James Rinehart
 

Usually guide folks toward Chrome and Firefox.  And yep, experience with leaves a little to be desired. 


On Apr 30, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Gaylen Kapperman <gkapperman@...> wrote:



I am writing for a friend who wants to know which browsers work best with JAWS.  And would you agree that Edge does not work well? Thanks very much.

Gaylen Kapperman

 


James Rinehart, MA, ATP, CWDP

Assistive Technology Specialist

4740 Kingsway Drive
Indianapolis, IN 46205

P 317.466.1000 x2527 • F 317.466.2000
jrinehart@...

eastersealscrossroads.org

        

--
Was wondering if anyone has knowledge if Spark Instant Messenger is compatible with JAWS 2018?

Thanks

Jim Rinehart


moderated please list your favorite browsers that you use with JAWS

Gaylen Kapperman
 

I am writing for a friend who wants to know which browsers work best with JAWS.  And would you agree that Edge does not work well? Thanks very much.

Gaylen Kapperman

 


moderated Re: Latest JAWS 2020 and continued Outlook 2016 issues

Adrian Spratt
 

Mike,

 

I had the same problem with Outlook 2016, and the quick settings remedy was no longer working. So far this morning, the procedure you lay out here has worked. It makes a huge difference.

 

One addition. At the end, you say to close by tabbing to the apply button. I found I had to tab to okay, then tab to apply, then tab again to okay.

 

Once again, thanks.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 5:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Latest JAWS 2020 and continued Outlook 2016 issues

 

Hi Bill,

 

I don't run Outlook, so this is only something to try to see if it'll take care of what you're wanting.

 

Open the Settings Center while in the application or open the default all applications Settings Center if you want to do this for all applications.

 

Down arrow to, Web / HTML / PDFs closed, right arrow toopen.

 

Down arrow to, Reading, right arrow to open.

 

Down arrow to, Configure Web Verbosity Levels closed, right arrow to open.

 

Down arrow to, Medium..., press the spacebar to open.  Note, don't press enter here, only use the spacebar.

 

Down arrow many times to, Table grid checked, and uncheck this to see if this helps.

 

Now apply and okay and hope this works for you.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:57 AM

Subject: Re: Latest JAWS 2020 and continued Outlook 2016 issues

 

Hi, Jonathan. How do you turn off layout tables?

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Latest JAWS 2020 and continued Outlook 2016 issues

 

If the detect tables does not work, another possibility is that layout tables are causing you grief so make sure they are turned off.
Web sites have CSS in order to put text into columns and other cute layouts, but Mail generally ignores CSS functions for complex layout so designers end up using tables with multi row or multi column spans that can not effectively be read column by column row by row, so the screen reader ends up either reading things repetitively or else skipping important information.
  
Sometimes the mail will have a plain text alternative either in the same message or in a subscribe button. This of course brings its own problems.


moderated Re: Walmart delivery app

Marie
 

I am using the Wal-Mart grocery order and delivery on Microsoft Edge and having great luck.
Marie
 
 

From: Justin Williams
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Walmart delivery app
 

How accessible is the Walmart delivery on pc?

And, which browser should I use?

 

I have jaws 2019 with Windows 10.

 

I've got Chrome as my main browser, but would use IE, or redownload Mozilla is necessary.

 

Thanks,

 

Justin

 

 


moderated Re: Latest JAWS 2020 and continued Outlook 2016 issues

Alan Robbins
 

Mitch,

 

Strange, I just loaded Jaws 2018 and did not experience the problem

Al

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mich Verrier
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; 'JFWList ' <jfw@groups.IO>
Subject: Re: Latest JAWS 2020 and continued Outlook 2016 issues

 

Hi I also use jaws 2018 and have found this problem with that version as well I am using outlook and have come across e mails that read like that as well it is really annoying. Until reading this e mail I thought it was a outlook and not a jaws problem. From Mich.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: April 28, 2020 7:57 PM
To: JFWList <jfw@groups.IO>
Subject: Latest JAWS 2020 and continued Outlook 2016 issues

 

I was hoping the April JAWS 2020 update would fix the email issue in Outlook but it did not. Here is an example of how part of an email from my thermostat provider, ecobee, reads:

 

row 1 of 1
column 1 of 1
last cell in table
link‑
row 1 of 1
column 1 of 1
last cell in table
Your review matters. - Message (HTML)
nesting level 4

row 1 of 1
column 1 of 1
last cell in table


Your opinion matters.
nesting level 4
link‑
row 1 of 1
column 1 of 1

nesting level 3

row 1 of 9
column 1 of 1
nesting level 7
Graphic‑ Smart Thermostat Graphic‑ Smart Thermostat  image ‑  Graphic‑ Smart Thermostat Graphic‑
row 1 of 1

 

This does not happen with JAWS 2019 or the initial JAWS 2020. I’m not sure when this began but I know the February, march, and April vesions do this. Anyone else seeing this?

I’m using Windows version 1909, MS Office 2016 and latest JAWS 2020

 

Al


moderated Re: Latest JAWS 2020 and continued Outlook 2016 issues

Alan Robbins
 

Bill,

 

Thanks, this seemed to do the trick. What I don’t understand, however, is when I load Jaws 2019 the table option is checked but I don’t  hear all the nonsense. They must have changed something in the Jaws coding in 2020.

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Latest JAWS 2020 and continued Outlook 2016 issues

 

Hi, Alan. Try opening Outlook. Press JAWS key plus V for Quick Settings. In the search box, type table detection

 

Uncheck this option, TAB to OK, and press ENTER.

 

See if this allows your email to be read correctly.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 4:57 PM
To: JFWList
Subject: Latest JAWS 2020 and continued Outlook 2016 issues

 

I was hoping the April JAWS 2020 update would fix the email issue in Outlook but it did not. Here is an example of how part of an email from my thermostat provider, ecobee, reads:

 

row 1 of 1
column 1 of 1
last cell in table
link‑
row 1 of 1
column 1 of 1
last cell in table
Your review matters. - Message (HTML)
nesting level 4

row 1 of 1
column 1 of 1
last cell in table


Your opinion matters.
nesting level 4
link‑
row 1 of 1
column 1 of 1

nesting level 3

row 1 of 9
column 1 of 1
nesting level 7
Graphic‑ Smart Thermostat Graphic‑ Smart Thermostat  image ‑  Graphic‑ Smart Thermostat Graphic‑
row 1 of 1

 

This does not happen with JAWS 2019 or the initial JAWS 2020. I’m not sure when this began but I know the February, march, and April vesions do this. Anyone else seeing this?

I’m using Windows version 1909, MS Office 2016 and latest JAWS 2020

 

Al


moderated Re: Used alt D to get to address bar

David Griffith
 

I don’t think this is correct.  This problem really is not at all site specific. For example this exact problem has been replicated on the RNIB Reading Services site and as another example the Sainsburys Shopping site.

Luckily though in those sites pressing F5 to refresh does not, unlike my bank site dump me out and require a re-login, so is an acceptable work around.

The problem did not exist on FireFox  so a return there may be an option.

David Griffith

 

.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 29 April 2020 22:58
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used alt D to get to address bar

 

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 05:50 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:

you make me curious to know if this is a Chrome issue.

I will never say never, but I will say it's unlikely.   It's far more likely to be something in the way the page is coded.  Testing in New Edge should be enough to determine whether things are consistent across Chromium-based browsers.  If, and only if they are, then testing in other browsers to see how they behave would be the next step.

I'd definitely report the issue to the entity that owns a given page, though.  It's often behind-the-scenes communication between business entities and Google with regard to this sort of issue that gets it ironed out in short order.  One or the other "side" of the issue generally figures out who/what is to blame.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Used alt D to get to address bar

 

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 05:50 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:
you make me curious to know if this is a Chrome issue.
I will never say never, but I will say it's unlikely.   It's far more likely to be something in the way the page is coded.  Testing in New Edge should be enough to determine whether things are consistent across Chromium-based browsers.  If, and only if they are, then testing in other browsers to see how they behave would be the next step.

I'd definitely report the issue to the entity that owns a given page, though.  It's often behind-the-scenes communication between business entities and Google with regard to this sort of issue that gets it ironed out in short order.  One or the other "side" of the issue generally figures out who/what is to blame.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Used alt D to get to address bar

Dan Longmore
 

Yes,refresh is nice except when you’re logged in.  I use Chrome a lot and now you make me curious to know if this is a Chrome issue.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 4:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used alt D to get to address bar

 

Annoyingly for me this behaviour of being stuck in the Tool bar occurs most often on my Nat West Bank site and tabbing around, various combinations of F6,  and moving between applications does not resolve it. Refreshing the page works on most pages to resolve this but of course this has the affect of logging me out of my bank so it is most annoying then as I have to restart  a multiple sequence security login again to get back to where I was.

This problem appears restricted to Chrome and I might abandon it again  for another browser if the problem persists.

 

David Griffith.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Dan Longmore
Sent: 29 April 2020 20:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used alt D to get to address bar

 

Hi,

  Other than the mentioned suggestions I have found that if I go to another task and then come back to the browser the issue is resolved.  Not sure what triggers not being able to leave the address bar but it occurs on an occasional basis.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Used alt D to get to address bar

 

Hello, I’m using the most recent version of jaws2020, windows 10 and most recent version of Chrome. I’m on a site and moved to the address bar by pressing alt D. Now I cannot get off the address bar. Is there another key stroke to get off the address bar? Thanks Kevin

 


moderated Re: Latest JAWS 2020 and continued Outlook 2016 issues

Mike B
 


Hi Bill,
 
I don't run Outlook, so this is only something to try to see if it'll take care of what you're wanting.
 
Open the Settings Center while in the application or open the default all applications Settings Center if you want to do this for all applications.
 
Down arrow to, Web / HTML / PDFs closed, right arrow toopen.
 
Down arrow to, Reading, right arrow to open.
 
Down arrow to, Configure Web Verbosity Levels closed, right arrow to open.
 
Down arrow to, Medium..., press the spacebar to open.  Note, don't press enter here, only use the spacebar.
 
Down arrow many times to, Table grid checked, and uncheck this to see if this helps.
 
Now apply and okay and hope this works for you.
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: Latest JAWS 2020 and continued Outlook 2016 issues

Hi, Jonathan. How do you turn off layout tables?

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Latest JAWS 2020 and continued Outlook 2016 issues

 

If the detect tables does not work, another possibility is that layout tables are causing you grief so make sure they are turned off.
Web sites have CSS in order to put text into columns and other cute layouts, but Mail generally ignores CSS functions for complex layout so designers end up using tables with multi row or multi column spans that can not effectively be read column by column row by row, so the screen reader ends up either reading things repetitively or else skipping important information.
  
Sometimes the mail will have a plain text alternative either in the same message or in a subscribe button. This of course brings its own problems.


moderated Re: Used alt D to get to address bar

Glenn / Lenny
 


I usually land on the bottom, so I do control + home if I want to get to the top again.
Or I can do  H for headings to start moving around that way.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: Used alt D to get to address bar

One workaround option is doing a screen reader search for something you know to be somewhere in the page content itself.  At least it works sometimes.

When I SHIFT+Tab, if I'm in the address bar, the first thing I get thrown to if the page is HTTPS is the button to the left of the address bar that indicates this.  If I SHIFT+TAB again I end up thrown into the page somewhere near the bottom of the page.  Where, exactly, depends entirely on the page itself.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Used alt D to get to address bar

 

One workaround option is doing a screen reader search for something you know to be somewhere in the page content itself.  At least it works sometimes.

When I SHIFT+Tab, if I'm in the address bar, the first thing I get thrown to if the page is HTTPS is the button to the left of the address bar that indicates this.  If I SHIFT+TAB again I end up thrown into the page somewhere near the bottom of the page.  Where, exactly, depends entirely on the page itself.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Used alt D to get to address bar

Don Mauck
 

Agree, depending upon how many tool bars our have. I try and keep those to a minimum

 

From: Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 1:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used alt D to get to address bar

 

tabbing usually sends you through other tool bars, that is why I shift + tab just once instead of multiple tabs.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Don Mauck

Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:05 PM

Subject: Re: Used alt D to get to address bar

 

You can just tab.

 

From: Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used alt D to get to address bar

 

I think that will reload the page though.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 1:43 PM

Subject: Re: Used alt D to get to address bar

 

I usually just hit enter and it takes me back to the web page I was on before the command.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used alt D to get to address bar

 

Hi, Kevin. Try CONTROL plus F6.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Used alt D to get to address bar

 

Hello, I’m using the most recent version of jaws2020, windows 10 and most recent version of Chrome. I’m on a site and moved to the address bar by pressing alt D. Now I cannot get off the address bar. Is there another key stroke to get off the address bar? Thanks Kevin


moderated Re: Used alt D to get to address bar

David Griffith
 

Annoyingly for me this behaviour of being stuck in the Tool bar occurs most often on my Nat West Bank site and tabbing around, various combinations of F6,  and moving between applications does not resolve it. Refreshing the page works on most pages to resolve this but of course this has the affect of logging me out of my bank so it is most annoying then as I have to restart  a multiple sequence security login again to get back to where I was.

This problem appears restricted to Chrome and I might abandon it again  for another browser if the problem persists.

 

David Griffith.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Dan Longmore
Sent: 29 April 2020 20:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used alt D to get to address bar

 

Hi,

  Other than the mentioned suggestions I have found that if I go to another task and then come back to the browser the issue is resolved.  Not sure what triggers not being able to leave the address bar but it occurs on an occasional basis.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Used alt D to get to address bar

 

Hello, I’m using the most recent version of jaws2020, windows 10 and most recent version of Chrome. I’m on a site and moved to the address bar by pressing alt D. Now I cannot get off the address bar. Is there another key stroke to get off the address bar? Thanks Kevin

 


moderated Re: Used alt D to get to address bar

Dan Longmore
 

Hi,

  Other than the mentioned suggestions I have found that if I go to another task and then come back to the browser the issue is resolved.  Not sure what triggers not being able to leave the address bar but it occurs on an occasional basis.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Used alt D to get to address bar

 

Hello, I’m using the most recent version of jaws2020, windows 10 and most recent version of Chrome. I’m on a site and moved to the address bar by pressing alt D. Now I cannot get off the address bar. Is there another key stroke to get off the address bar? Thanks Kevin


moderated Re: Braille commands question

ann
 

even without cursor routing keys, and I end up hitting the wrong one half the time anyway LOL, The Orbit is practically the dream braille device I've been imagining for almost 30 years. And, for what it is, the JFW keyboard commands for the Orbit seem to be very extensive, which is why I think some of us are a little surprised that there is a way to emulate a control+F-keys, but not the same for the Alt+F-keys.

It certainly isn't a deal breaker for me if this can't be done as most of the time I will have a bluetooth keyboard nearby, and will probably only use my Orbibt strictly for braille reading even when it's in Remote mode. However, can anyone tell me if you can add or re-map braille display keys in JFW? Maybe there is a way to add  this functionality by re-mapping a keuystroke that I'll never use, anyway?

~Ann



On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 03:03 PM, Marianne Denning wrote:

I want everyone to realize that the Orbit Reader was designed to be a reader rather than a display so it does not have many standard display  commands. It also does not have cursor routing keys.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ann
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 3:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Braille commands question

 

Oh, I hate to hear this as I'm waiting for my new  Orbit to arrive, hopefully on Friday. I can't believe there would not be such a basic keyboard command already mapped out.

I can do this on a Refreshabraille 18 display, but this display has  n extra key called the Aux space bar. I press this key, and dots 2 5 6, and this emulates an Alt+F4.

It may have also be possible on a BrailleNote MPower, but I can't remember the exact keys that were u sed.

~Ann



On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 09:41 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

On another list, a question was asked how to do alt+f4 from a braille display.

He has the Orbit, which doesn’t seem to have a command like that.

Do other braille displays have that ability.  At least the ability say to toggle the alt key, or control key to on then the ability to hit f4?

 

All information is welcome on any display so I can pass that information along.

 

Thanks,

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.