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moderated Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

It is not the responsibility of Jaws alone to make sure it work perfectly with every app, it is also the responsibility of app and program developers (and web developers) to follow standards which insure a better experience for people who use screenreaders. Interestingly enough you rarely hear among iPhone users that they expect Apple to make sure any app one downloads works well with Voiceover, if an app does not it's usually the app developer who is held responsible because Apple has a very clear accessibility framework which, I assume, will result in accessible apps if the developer follows it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 12:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

First I did the download from the site, then simply hit open and install. After this incident, I downloaded and then hit save. Then went to downloads and opened but I will be honest, I've become so anti-2020 version, I only downloaded the 2019 version and all is working properly.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 9:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Are you installing from the website, or first downloading the file and using the file to execute the installation? Installing from the file is safer.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 8:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

And so it goes with JFW... I finally took the leap of Faith and installed the latest update to Jaws 2020 yesterday afternoon. The install corrupted something and I have to uninstall all JFW components and reinstall all from scratch. This is the 2nd time in a year that a JFW install has done something as this. The last time, it corrupted my Operating System and the Entire Hard-Drive was toast and had to be wiped clean and all re-installed. Be sure to have a back-up of your hard-drive before you do any JFW installs... Too obvious to be a mere coincidence...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 5:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hello Pat:

You could probably make the change Ceigart mentioned, using the registry editor.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Murphy" <murphy.patrick42@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit


Hi,

the group policy editor is only available in windows 10 professional addition.
there is nothing like it in windows 10 home edition.
pat



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Saturday 2 May 2020 18:58
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Sieghard,

Where do we find this setting?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 12:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Sieghard, could you tell us what the group policy item was, or point to the post? I'm curious as to what it might have been.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday 2 May 2020 16:54
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hello Pat,

I don't wan to minimize the issues you had, but Jaws 2020 has been out for over 6 months and while there will always be certain configurations and systems with various issues, these may not always be 100% the fault of Jaws.
I, for example, had one computer where for over a year I could not use any of the Windows apps like Calculator and in addition to that Jaws would read absolutely nothing in the start menu or the Settings app. I could open Settings and when somebody checked I was told visually everything was fine, I could right arrow and down arrow and focus would move, I could press enter and whatever category I was on opened up and so on, but Jaws was absolutely silent. This was even before Jaws 2020 came out and it was like this with Jaws 2018 and Jaws 2019 and nothing I did including completely uninstalling both versions, deleting all Jaws folders and reinstalling would fix it. At the same time I had another almost identical computer at my business with very similar hardware and all worked fine. Finally I read a post somewhere where another user had the same problem and somehow they either found out or were told to check if a particular item in the group policy editor in Windows 10 Pro was enabled. I checked the same setting and it was disabled on this particular computer, I have no idea why or how, but it was and as soon as I enabled it all worked perfectly. Narrator, by the way, worked just fine in the Settings app, start menu and calculator, it was just Jaws which had the problem and the problem which fixed the issue had nothing to do with Jaws, but was simply a Windows setting.
I mentioned this because it shows how sometimes a problem with Jaws can be extremely specific to one system and be caused by something which is directly not even related to Jaws. I am convinced that if I had wiped the system and reinstalled Windows this would have also fixed the problem, but this happened to be on the PC we use as the main register at my retail store and there is other software on this system which is not quite so easy to reinstall so for the longest time I just put up with it and used Narrator if I wanted to do something in the Settings, I hardly ever use the start menu anyways and when I needed to calculate something I'd just open up Excel instead of using the Calculator. This way I could work around the problem, but it was sure nice when it turned out to be such a simple fix which took me all of 30 seconds to make.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 7:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hi,

Not surprised you are having trouble. I myself, only recently, had trouble with installing jaws 2020. I had an authorization problem with windows 10.
Like you, i had to uninstall everything and reinstall everything.
Perhaps freedom scientific should look at this version of jaws again, and take the bugs out of it.
God knows what else is wrong that hasn't been discovered yet.
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: Friday 1 May 2020 16:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

I have tried to update to the latest jaws 2020 on a windows 7 32bit system and when I do my system starts rebooting over and over. I get the error that the gdihooks.dll is missing from my computer and to reinstall the software.
I finally got it to work removing all the jaws installations and only installing a 2003 build of 2020. Now, on my laptop running windows 10 had no problems with the 2004.66 update of jaws 2020. go figure!


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moderated Re: Format, font, etc. of list messages

 

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 09:29 PM, Norma A. Boge wrote:

I thought it was a no-no on a list which is comprised primarily of screen reader users to not top post messages.

            It generally is, unless one is retaining material for context, like I am, to address specific points.  When a topic is long, and there have been multiple participants, and what's bottom posted is pretty much the entirety of the topic to that point it's often nearly impossible to know what's being responded to.

I think it is just courteous to  have list messages be the easiest to read for all of us.

And so do I, but what you appear to believe is always easiest is not an opinion I share.  I've been begging people to select and delete all of the crap that is typically left bottom posted because it makes searching the group archive for the actual original sources an absolute nightmare.  Sadly, that's gained zero traction.

I generally top post for the very reason you mention, but not always, as this reply demonstrates.  I think it would be harder for a later reader, encountering this message in isolation, to have a clue without retention of the specific points I'm responding to in order to retain the context.

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moderated Format, font, etc. of list messages

Norma A. Boge
 

I can appreciate using a plain font for our messages for those who have some vision.

However, I thought it was a no-no on a list which is comprised primarily of screen reader users to not top post messages.

I think it is just courteous to  have list messages be the easiest to read for all of us.

And, no, I’m not a moderator. Just expressing an opinion.


moderated Re: interesting issue with jaws 2020 and the new microsoft edge

Shan Noyes
 

Just a thought have you tried to expand it to full screen mode with windows key up arrow


On May 4, 2020, at 6:29 PM, james hooper <rockiesfan296@...> wrote:



Greetings all okay I have noticed when using the newest Microsoft edge with jaws if you type something you can’t read character by character and if you backspace it doesn’t read by character any suggestions.,


moderated interesting issue with jaws 2020 and the new microsoft edge

james hooper
 

Greetings all okay I have noticed when using the newest Microsoft edge with jaws if you type something you can’t read character by character and if you backspace it doesn’t read by character any suggestions.,


moderated Re: New Book on Using Zoom with Screen Readers and the iPhone

Judith Pelaez
 

Hi,

That is cool!
However, they’re already was a book to learn not only the iOS app but also the windows app and some of the Mac app.


Judith Pelaez

On May 4, 2020, at 6:23 PM, David Kingsbury <davidkingsbury77@...> wrote:



Hi all,

 

A colleague of mine at the Carroll Center for the Blind has just written a book on using Zoom with screen readers and VoiceOver on the iPhone. It is the first text-based book written on the topic, and I think it is well-written and quite comprehensive. You can order it for $18 at:

https://carroll.org/product/getting-started-with-zoom-meetings/

 

Regards,

David

 


moderated Re: fillable pdf forms?

Judy
 

Alan, I believe you and appreciate the correction, but I do know sighted people who have had to print out and then  write in themselves and information. I guess it depends upon the kind of pdf or how it’s set up. I personally can’t do anything with them as far as filling them in. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 3:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: fillable pdf forms?

 

Judy,

 

You are incorrect. Both the sighted and visually impaired can fill out properly designed PDF forms on the computer The IRS uses many PDF forms that can be filled in just fine on one's computer.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2020 1:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: fillable pdf forms?

 

I don’t think even sighted people can fill out pdf forms on the computer. They have to print them out and fill them in. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jenni Kent
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 1:35 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: fillable pdf forms?

 

How are people filling out pdf files these days my computer tries to load edge that a disaster Then I open the file with chrome and well no It won’t let me fill in the file that way either. Any ideas?

 

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moderated New Book on Using Zoom with Screen Readers and the iPhone

David Kingsbury
 

Hi all,

 

A colleague of mine at the Carroll Center for the Blind has just written a book on using Zoom with screen readers and VoiceOver on the iPhone. It is the first text-based book written on the topic, and I think it is well-written and quite comprehensive. You can order it for $18 at:

https://carroll.org/product/getting-started-with-zoom-meetings/

 

Regards,

David

 


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Tom Behler
 

Dave:

 

I know we have e-mailed privately about my not being able to do the backup immediately.

 

If you can do that tutorial and share it with others, including me, that would be terrific!

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 5:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Steve:

 

Over the next few days or so, I am going to try and produce an audio tutorial on how I restore a previously backed up image. Once I have done it, I will send it to you, for your comments, before making it available to others.

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 10:03 PM

Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Do you do this by building a TBI Recovery disk, or do you have an alternate method? I'd be interested to know what that alternate method is, if you use one.

 

On 5/4/2020 2:30 PM, Dave Durber wrote:



Hello Tom:

 

I need to restore an image to one of my computers, which I created using Terabyte's Image for Windows.

 

If you are interested, would you like to join me in a Zoom meeting, and I will show you how I can do that, with no visual assistance. In addition, I will show you, how easy it is to create an image of a system drive for one of my systems, using the abovementioned software.

 

If you would like to do that, You can email me at:

 

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 7:27 PM

Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Thanks to all of you for your suggestions regarding accessible backup image software.

 

I am not an advanced assistive technology computer user, so I need to be careful in terms of what I choose to do here.

 

But, these suggestions have given me a lot to consider, and I’m saving them for future reference.

 

I will continue to read additional contributions to this thread with interest, and I hope they help others as well.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 1:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 01:15 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer.

The price is now down to under $40.  Since they give you a 30-day free trial, there's absolutely nothing to lose if you want to try it out.  I'd definitely suggest doing a full system image backup, and then restore, on a non-primary machine if you have a second machine around, just to have had the end to end experience.
 
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The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Robert Arrabito
 

Hi Dave and all listers,

 

I recently purchased TeraByte Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite To be used on my Windows 10 PC. I have yet to create an image of my hard drive. I would very much appreciate a copy of your audio tutorial once it is ready for public release. And if it is not asking too much, it would be great if the tutorial can also cover how to create the image. Thank you.

 

 

Regards,

Rob

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: May 4, 2020 5:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Steve:

 

Over the next few days or so, I am going to try and produce an audio tutorial on how I restore a previously backed up image. Once I have done it, I will send it to you, for your comments, before making it available to others.

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 10:03 PM

Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Do you do this by building a TBI Recovery disk, or do you have an alternate method? I'd be interested to know what that alternate method is, if you use one.

 

On 5/4/2020 2:30 PM, Dave Durber wrote:



Hello Tom:

 

I need to restore an image to one of my computers, which I created using Terabyte's Image for Windows.

 

If you are interested, would you like to join me in a Zoom meeting, and I will show you how I can do that, with no visual assistance. In addition, I will show you, how easy it is to create an image of a system drive for one of my systems, using the abovementioned software.

 

If you would like to do that, You can email me at:

 

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 7:27 PM

Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Thanks to all of you for your suggestions regarding accessible backup image software.

 

I am not an advanced assistive technology computer user, so I need to be careful in terms of what I choose to do here.

 

But, these suggestions have given me a lot to consider, and I’m saving them for future reference.

 

I will continue to read additional contributions to this thread with interest, and I hope they help others as well.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 1:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 01:15 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer.

The price is now down to under $40.  Since they give you a 30-day free trial, there's absolutely nothing to lose if you want to try it out.  I'd definitely suggest doing a full system image backup, and then restore, on a non-primary machine if you have a second machine around, just to have had the end to end experience.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: fillable pdf forms?

 

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 06:34 PM, Mich Verrier wrote:
I have found forms that had edit fields that were in pdf but I used adobe and found no way of filling them in using the pc and jaws.
That also happens when JAWS is not involved when some idiot put fillable fields in a PDF and then did something to protect the whole form, including the fillable fields, from being modified.

Not everyone who designs these forms knows all the ins and outs of doing so.
 
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The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: fillable pdf forms?

Mich Verrier
 

I have found forms that had edit fields that were in pdf but I used adobe and found no way of filling them in using the pc and jaws. From Mich.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: May 4, 2020 2:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: fillable pdf forms?

 

I don’t think even sighted people can fill out pdf forms on the computer. They have to print them out and fill them in. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jenni Kent
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 1:35 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: fillable pdf forms?

 

How are people filling out pdf files these days my computer tries to load edge that a disaster. Then I open the file with chrome and well no It won’t let me fill in the file that way either. Any ideas?

 

Jennifer Kent

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Whatsapp: Ask.

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moderated Re: Emojis

Mich Verrier
 

Windows colin or something I think. From Mich.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: May 3, 2020 7:20 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Emojis

What is the key combo to bring up the list of emojis? Thanks.


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moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Dave Durber
 


Steve:
 
Over the next few days or so, I am going to try and produce an audio tutorial on how I restore a previously backed up image. Once I have done it, I will send it to you, for your comments, before making it available to others.
 
Dave
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Do you do this by building a TBI Recovery disk, or do you have an alternate method? I'd be interested to know what that alternate method is, if you use one.


On 5/4/2020 2:30 PM, Dave Durber wrote:

Hello Tom:
 
I need to restore an image to one of my computers, which I created using Terabyte's Image for Windows.
 
If you are interested, would you like to join me in a Zoom meeting, and I will show you how I can do that, with no visual assistance. In addition, I will show you, how easy it is to create an image of a system drive for one of my systems, using the abovementioned software.
 
If you would like to do that, You can email me at:
 
 
Dave
 
----- Original Message -----
 
From: Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Thanks to all of you for your suggestions regarding accessible backup image software.

 

I am not an advanced assistive technology computer user, so I need to be careful in terms of what I choose to do here.

 

But, these suggestions have given me a lot to consider, and I’m saving them for future reference.

 

I will continue to read additional contributions to this thread with interest, and I hope they help others as well.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 1:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 01:15 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer.

The price is now down to under $40.  Since they give you a 30-day free trial, there's absolutely nothing to lose if you want to try it out.  I'd definitely suggest doing a full system image backup, and then restore, on a non-primary machine if you have a second machine around, just to have had the end to end experience.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Steve Matzura
 

Do you do this by building a TBI Recovery disk, or do you have an alternate method? I'd be interested to know what that alternate method is, if you use one.


On 5/4/2020 2:30 PM, Dave Durber wrote:

Hello Tom:
 
I need to restore an image to one of my computers, which I created using Terabyte's Image for Windows.
 
If you are interested, would you like to join me in a Zoom meeting, and I will show you how I can do that, with no visual assistance. In addition, I will show you, how easy it is to create an image of a system drive for one of my systems, using the abovementioned software.
 
If you would like to do that, You can email me at:
 
 
Dave
 
----- Original Message -----
 
From: Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Thanks to all of you for your suggestions regarding accessible backup image software.

 

I am not an advanced assistive technology computer user, so I need to be careful in terms of what I choose to do here.

 

But, these suggestions have given me a lot to consider, and I’m saving them for future reference.

 

I will continue to read additional contributions to this thread with interest, and I hope they help others as well.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 1:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 01:15 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

Best fifty bucks you'll ever spend on your computer.

The price is now down to under $40.  Since they give you a 30-day free trial, there's absolutely nothing to lose if you want to try it out.  I'd definitely suggest doing a full system image backup, and then restore, on a non-primary machine if you have a second machine around, just to have had the end to end experience.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Chrome & PDFs - something changed for me

Van Lant, Robin
 

All,

On my company provided laptop, I’m using Google Chrome Version 81.0.4044.92 on Windows 10.  It used to be that opening a PDF file in Chrome, whether from a link on a website or in an email that links to a PDF on a website, Google would open it and the first thing I would hear was a set of options  that included rotate clockwise, download and such.  Tabbing past those would put me in the document and I could read the PDF.  Suddenly, this has changed.  Now, when I open a pDF, it will not read and it reminds me of the old IE 11 experience.  I can navigate to the address bar and Chrome menu, but I cannot find a way to enable the view I used to get.  Thankfully, I have found that pressing Control S will allow me to save the PDF to my laptop and then open it in Adobe, but this adds extra steps for items I may not want to save in the end.   I don’t know if this is coincidental, but I now see that my Chrome is “managed by my organization”, which means my company  can change my settings.  I wonder if they changed something not knowing the access impact it would have. 

 

Any won have experience with turning on or off settings that would allow you to access a PDF from within Chrome?  I don’t see anything in the settings that looks right. Thought I’d check here before I tried contacting Google via Be My Eyes to ask. 

 

 

 

 

 

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moderated Re: fillable pdf forms?

 

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 03:24 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
Both the sighted and visually impaired can fill out properly designed PDF forms on the computer. The IRS uses many PDF forms that can be filled in just fine on one's computer.
Yep.

That being said, there are also two classes of fillable PDF forms:  those that allow you to save the forms with the material you've filled in (see: IRS forms), and those that do not allow you to do so, only to print the filled form and once you close it, the filled in material is discarded.

Which of the two you have is a design choice by the creator.  I also never recommend trying to convert a fillable PDF to MS-Word format, at least if you haven't already filled it out.  The conversion issues I've witnessed over the years (including this afternoon, but for a non-fillable PDF converted to MS-Word format) are myriad.
 
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moderated Re: fillable pdf forms?

John Covici
 

I have had somesuccess using Acrobat DC to fill out pdf forms. aIt
gvery much depends on how it was created.

On Mon, 04 May 2020 14:46:06 -0400,
Tom Behler wrote:

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Jenni:



I'm sure there are going to be varying answers here, but here's mine for
starters.



I most often read PDF files with Adobe Acrobat DC.



In addition, I have had some success converting PDF files into Microsoft
Word documents with Microsoft Word under Office 365. The process gives me
an editable Word document. Of course, the conversion process sometimes
messes with the formatting of the original document, so it is not perfect.



I'll read further responses to this question with interest.



Tom Behler





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How are people filling out pdf files these days my computer tries to load
edge that a disaster. Then I open the file with chrome and well no It won't
let me fill in the file that way either. Any ideas?



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moderated Re: fillable pdf forms?

 

Judy,

 

You are incorrect. Both the sighted and visually impaired can fill out properly designed PDF forms on the computer. The IRS uses many PDF forms that can be filled in just fine on one's computer.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2020 1:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: fillable pdf forms?

 

I don’t think even sighted people can fill out pdf forms on the computer. They have to print them out and fill them in. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jenni Kent
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 1:35 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: fillable pdf forms?

 

How are people filling out pdf files these days my computer tries to load edge that a disaster. Then I open the file with chrome and well no It won’t let me fill in the file that way either. Any ideas?

 

Jennifer Kent

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moderated Re: automatic spelling and level announcements/notifications

Mike B
 


Hi Rick,
 
I'm not Bill, but yes you will.  Well damn, I'm a poet and didn't know it!  LOL 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2020 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: automatic spelling and level announcements/notifications

Bill, I will need to perform this in Outlook, as well, correct?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 1:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: automatic spelling and level announcements/notifications

 

Hi, Rick.

 

1. Open Word.

2. Press JAWS key plus V to open Quick Settings.

3. In the search box, type

 

outline

 

4. Arrow down to where it says:

 

Outline level checked

 

5. Press SPACE to uncheck.

6. TAB to OK, and press ENTER.

 

That's it.

 

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 10:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: automatic spelling and level announcements/notifications

 

Hi Bill,

 

Please forgive my ignorance, would you please offer step by step instructions to find this?

 

Thank you,

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 12:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: automatic spelling and level announcements/notifications

 

Go into Quick Settings and make sure

 

Outline Level Indication is unchecked‑

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 9:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: automatic spelling and level announcements/notifications

 

What needs to stop the level messages from Jaws reading them?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of david
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 8:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: automatic spelling and level announcements/notifications

 

try the following;

 

1, open word,

 

2, press insert+6 on the numbers row,

 

3, type spelling into the search edit,

 

4, down arrow you will see/hear,

detect spelling while navigating,

it's set to on, you need to press spacebar to turn it off,

note, you'll need to press ctrl+shift+d=default,

make sure you tab to ok after making the changes.

hope this helps.

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: automatic spelling and level announcements/notifications

 

Hi all,

 

I am resending this with the subject line to properly indicate my line/focus...

 

Since I had to go and completely uninstall/re-install jaws and all components, I find the following and ask if you can help this not do this...

as I add a number list, I then hear automatic spelling error. How do I turn off automatic spelling?

As I arrow through the numbered list and out thereof, I hear level 1 when entering the said list and level 0 when I exit this list. How do I turn this feature off to not state levels?

 

Thank you for your help,

 

Rick

 

 

 


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