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moderated Re: going into the bios

Tony Schnurr
 

Madison,

If you are wanting to switch your primary function keys back to doing f1
through f12 instead of other functions such as other computer functions;
Try using fn key plus escape. On many laptops, this toggles your function
key primary functions.

Regards.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 19:11
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: going into the bios

Hi all,
Can anyone tell me, is it possible for a totally blind person to access the
bios on a computer? If so, how do I do this? My laptop's keyboard got
replaced today (the down arrow key broke) and somehow my function keys got
inabled when they'd previously been disabled. I know we could just take it
back and have them disable them, but they're closed until Monday and I'd
like it fixed ASAP. My laptop is a Lenovo Thinkbook 13. I'm running the
latest Jaws and Windows 10.
Thanks for any help,
Madison


moderated going into the bios

Madison Martin
 

Hi all,
Can anyone tell me, is it possible for a totally blind person to access the bios
on a computer? If so, how do I do this? My laptop's keyboard got replaced today
(the down arrow key broke) and somehow my function keys got inabled when they'd
previously been disabled. I know we could just take it back and have them
disable them, but they're closed until Monday and I'd like it fixed ASAP. My
laptop is a Lenovo Thinkbook 13. I'm running the latest Jaws and Windows 10.
Thanks for any help,
Madison


moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

JM Casey
 

Hmm, not sure about that one or about the different tagging features – I just know I’ve let Acrobat autotag probably thousands of PDFs over the years. Results are, as you say, mixed – but what do about it probably depends on specific results you are getting. I know at least a few times I had to change a document’s “orientation” in order for it to read properly. No idea why Acrobat doesn’t always detect that automatically.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Benstead
Sent: March 12, 2021 05:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

Thank you, and thank you Richard for your advice about accessing a PDF where I can only get to the first page.

It seems like a combination of using Acrobat Pro’s OCR and opening PDFs with Word may be the best workflow to adopt.

Nobody has mentioned the auto tagging feature in Acrobat Pro. I have had very mixed results with it, and haven’t looked any further into the different tagging features that seem to be available in the application. Is it just not worth bothering with?

Jim

On 12 Mar 2021, 19:07 +0000, JM Casey <jmcasey@...>, wrote:

If you have adobe acrobat pro and use its OCR feature, I find that works really well, though the process tends to cause the computer to become unresponsive while it is working.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Benstead
Sent: March 12, 2021 07:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

Thank you all! That's some really helpful information regarding OCR. I had been using the OCR functions in Acrobat Pro, but I'll give what you suggest a run through, too.

 

I'm also interested in more general guides to PDF accessibility. I've got various PDFs here that don't need OCR done to them -- they are there on the screen as actual text -- but when I go to read them I still get stuck. Some won't read past the first page, for example; others aren't tagged (this is almost all of them!) and while I've had some success with the AutoTag feature in Acrobat Pro this certainly hasn't solved all of my problems. What I'm really looking for, I suppose, is a list of all the tricks people have developed to deal with PDFs that don't need OCR work, but still aren't accessible.

 

Jim

 

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On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 at 22:57, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Scott,

            I really do not know how it differs from JAWS convenient OCR.  What I do know is that PDF X-Change Viewer has been an incredibly good, and incredibly accurate, OCR scanner that has worked very well on some pretty rough originals.  It also supports many additional language packs, at no cost, beyond English, French, German, and Spanish (if I'm remembering the four correctly) that come with the native utility.  I had a client who was a translator from Swedish to English and she used it with the Swedish language pack for documents that were in Swedish.  It does not, however, do any automatic language switching.  It presumes that a given document will be in a single language, so it wouldn't be good for, say OCRing an image scanned page from a language text where both languages are used interspersed on the same page.

             What I liked about it was that it was easy both to run the OCR and to save the resulting file such that you'd never have to do OCR again and could send it to others with the text layer already there.  I had my client who was a grad student send these to his instructors, and asking them to replace the existing image scanned PDFs with those with the OCR text layer so that later students who were blind or visually impaired would not have to do any OCR processing on them.
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moderated Re: help changing my password

 

There is no way to answer this question without knowing whether you are on a version of Windows earlier than Windows 10 and, if you happen to be on Windows 10, whether you're using a local Win10 user account versus a Microsoft Account linked Win10 User Account.

Hit the Windows Key, immediately type winver, then hit enter.  Report back on what this tells you about what version of Windows you're currently using.
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moderated Re: help changing my password

Amir Shah
 

I do not know why I think it’s windows 10

On Mar 12, 2021, at 12:47 PM, Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com> wrote:

are you using Windows 10 or 7?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Amir Shah [mailto:4amir.shah@gmail.com]
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Date: Friday, March 12, 2021, 3:07 PM
Subject: help changing my password
hi my name is amir shah, can somebody help refreshing my memory how do I
change the password on the computer with jaws 2021 thanks.








moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

James Benstead
 

Thank you, and thank you Richard for your advice about accessing a PDF where I can only get to the first page.

It seems like a combination of using Acrobat Pro’s OCR and opening PDFs with Word may be the best workflow to adopt.

Nobody has mentioned the auto tagging feature in Acrobat Pro. I have had very mixed results with it, and haven’t looked any further into the different tagging features that seem to be available in the application. Is it just not worth bothering with?

Jim

On 12 Mar 2021, 19:07 +0000, JM Casey <jmcasey@...>, wrote:

If you have adobe acrobat pro and use its OCR feature, I find that works really well, though the process tends to cause the computer to become unresponsive while it is working.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Benstead
Sent: March 12, 2021 07:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

Thank you all! That's some really helpful information regarding OCR. I had been using the OCR functions in Acrobat Pro, but I'll give what you suggest a run through, too.

 

I'm also interested in more general guides to PDF accessibility. I've got various PDFs here that don't need OCR done to them -- they are there on the screen as actual text -- but when I go to read them I still get stuck. Some won't read past the first page, for example; others aren't tagged (this is almost all of them!) and while I've had some success with the AutoTag feature in Acrobat Pro this certainly hasn't solved all of my problems. What I'm really looking for, I suppose, is a list of all the tricks people have developed to deal with PDFs that don't need OCR work, but still aren't accessible.

 

Jim

 

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On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 at 22:57, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Scott,

            I really do not know how it differs from JAWS convenient OCR.  What I do know is that PDF X-Change Viewer has been an incredibly good, and incredibly accurate, OCR scanner that has worked very well on some pretty rough originals.  It also supports many additional language packs, at no cost, beyond English, French, German, and Spanish (if I'm remembering the four correctly) that come with the native utility.  I had a client who was a translator from Swedish to English and she used it with the Swedish language pack for documents that were in Swedish.  It does not, however, do any automatic language switching.  It presumes that a given document will be in a single language, so it wouldn't be good for, say OCRing an image scanned page from a language text where both languages are used interspersed on the same page.

             What I liked about it was that it was easy both to run the OCR and to save the resulting file such that you'd never have to do OCR again and could send it to others with the text layer already there.  I had my client who was a grad student send these to his instructors, and asking them to replace the existing image scanned PDFs with those with the OCR text layer so that later students who were blind or visually impaired would not have to do any OCR processing on them.
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      ~ Clarence Darrow


moderated Re: help changing my password

Mario
 

are you using Windows 10 or 7?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Amir Shah [mailto:4amir.shah@gmail.com]
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Date: Friday, March 12, 2021, 3:07 PM
Subject: help changing my password
hi my name is amir shah, can somebody help refreshing my memory how do I
change the password on the computer with jaws 2021 thanks.


moderated help changing my password

Amir Shah
 

hi my name is amir shah, can somebody help refreshing my memory how do I change the password on the computer with jaws 2021 thanks.


moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

JM Casey
 

If you have adobe acrobat pro and use its OCR feature, I find that works really well, though the process tends to cause the computer to become unresponsive while it is working.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Benstead
Sent: March 12, 2021 07:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

Thank you all! That's some really helpful information regarding OCR. I had been using the OCR functions in Acrobat Pro, but I'll give what you suggest a run through, too.

 

I'm also interested in more general guides to PDF accessibility. I've got various PDFs here that don't need OCR done to them -- they are there on the screen as actual text -- but when I go to read them I still get stuck. Some won't read past the first page, for example; others aren't tagged (this is almost all of them!) and while I've had some success with the AutoTag feature in Acrobat Pro this certainly hasn't solved all of my problems. What I'm really looking for, I suppose, is a list of all the tricks people have developed to deal with PDFs that don't need OCR work, but still aren't accessible.

 

Jim

 

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On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 at 22:57, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Scott,

            I really do not know how it differs from JAWS convenient OCR.  What I do know is that PDF X-Change Viewer has been an incredibly good, and incredibly accurate, OCR scanner that has worked very well on some pretty rough originals.  It also supports many additional language packs, at no cost, beyond English, French, German, and Spanish (if I'm remembering the four correctly) that come with the native utility.  I had a client who was a translator from Swedish to English and she used it with the Swedish language pack for documents that were in Swedish.  It does not, however, do any automatic language switching.  It presumes that a given document will be in a single language, so it wouldn't be good for, say OCRing an image scanned page from a language text where both languages are used interspersed on the same page.

             What I liked about it was that it was easy both to run the OCR and to save the resulting file such that you'd never have to do OCR again and could send it to others with the text layer already there.  I had my client who was a grad student send these to his instructors, and asking them to replace the existing image scanned PDFs with those with the OCR text layer so that later students who were blind or visually impaired would not have to do any OCR processing on them.
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      ~ Clarence Darrow


moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

Richard Turner
 

James,

I don’t know that there are any particular tricks with poorly designed PDF files.

If you have a PDF where Jaws stops reading after a page, you could try the page down command which may tell you the author locked it into 1 page at a time, though I guess you could check the reading settings.

If I just need to read the information, I will also try importing it into Word.

The reality is there are still lots of very badly designed PDF files and other than just coping with it, contact the author and letting them know it needs to be made screen reader accessible is about all you can do.

Sometimes, that even works.

 

 

 

Richard

 

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.

 

 

My web site, www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Benstead
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 4:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

Thank you all! That's some really helpful information regarding OCR. I had been using the OCR functions in Acrobat Pro, but I'll give what you suggest a run through, too.

 

I'm also interested in more general guides to PDF accessibility. I've got various PDFs here that don't need OCR done to them -- they are there on the screen as actual text -- but when I go to read them I still get stuck. Some won't read past the first page, for example; others aren't tagged (this is almost all of them!) and while I've had some success with the AutoTag feature in Acrobat Pro this certainly hasn't solved all of my problems. What I'm really looking for, I suppose, is a list of all the tricks people have developed to deal with PDFs that don't need OCR work, but still aren't accessible.

 

Jim

 

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On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 at 22:57, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Scott,

            I really do not know how it differs from JAWS convenient OCR.  What I do know is that PDF X-Change Viewer has been an incredibly good, and incredibly accurate, OCR scanner that has worked very well on some pretty rough originals.  It also supports many additional language packs, at no cost, beyond English, French, German, and Spanish (if I'm remembering the four correctly) that come with the native utility.  I had a client who was a translator from Swedish to English and she used it with the Swedish language pack for documents that were in Swedish.  It does not, however, do any automatic language switching.  It presumes that a given document will be in a single language, so it wouldn't be good for, say OCRing an image scanned page from a language text where both languages are used interspersed on the same page.

             What I liked about it was that it was easy both to run the OCR and to save the resulting file such that you'd never have to do OCR again and could send it to others with the text layer already there.  I had my client who was a grad student send these to his instructors, and asking them to replace the existing image scanned PDFs with those with the OCR text layer so that later students who were blind or visually impaired would not have to do any OCR processing on them.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

To think is to differ.
      ~ Clarence Darrow


moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

James Benstead
 

Thank you all! That's some really helpful information regarding OCR. I had been using the OCR functions in Acrobat Pro, but I'll give what you suggest a run through, too.

I'm also interested in more general guides to PDF accessibility. I've got various PDFs here that don't need OCR done to them -- they are there on the screen as actual text -- but when I go to read them I still get stuck. Some won't read past the first page, for example; others aren't tagged (this is almost all of them!) and while I've had some success with the AutoTag feature in Acrobat Pro this certainly hasn't solved all of my problems. What I'm really looking for, I suppose, is a list of all the tricks people have developed to deal with PDFs that don't need OCR work, but still aren't accessible.

Jim

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On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 at 22:57, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Scott,

            I really do not know how it differs from JAWS convenient OCR.  What I do know is that PDF X-Change Viewer has been an incredibly good, and incredibly accurate, OCR scanner that has worked very well on some pretty rough originals.  It also supports many additional language packs, at no cost, beyond English, French, German, and Spanish (if I'm remembering the four correctly) that come with the native utility.  I had a client who was a translator from Swedish to English and she used it with the Swedish language pack for documents that were in Swedish.  It does not, however, do any automatic language switching.  It presumes that a given document will be in a single language, so it wouldn't be good for, say OCRing an image scanned page from a language text where both languages are used interspersed on the same page.

             What I liked about it was that it was easy both to run the OCR and to save the resulting file such that you'd never have to do OCR again and could send it to others with the text layer already there.  I had my client who was a grad student send these to his instructors, and asking them to replace the existing image scanned PDFs with those with the OCR text layer so that later students who were blind or visually impaired would not have to do any OCR processing on them.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

To think is to differ.
      ~ Clarence Darrow


moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

Scott,

            I really do not know how it differs from JAWS convenient OCR.  What I do know is that PDF X-Change Viewer has been an incredibly good, and incredibly accurate, OCR scanner that has worked very well on some pretty rough originals.  It also supports many additional language packs, at no cost, beyond English, French, German, and Spanish (if I'm remembering the four correctly) that come with the native utility.  I had a client who was a translator from Swedish to English and she used it with the Swedish language pack for documents that were in Swedish.  It does not, however, do any automatic language switching.  It presumes that a given document will be in a single language, so it wouldn't be good for, say OCRing an image scanned page from a language text where both languages are used interspersed on the same page.

             What I liked about it was that it was easy both to run the OCR and to save the resulting file such that you'd never have to do OCR again and could send it to others with the text layer already there.  I had my client who was a grad student send these to his instructors, and asking them to replace the existing image scanned PDFs with those with the OCR text layer so that later students who were blind or visually impaired would not have to do any OCR processing on them.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

To think is to differ.
      ~ Clarence Darrow


moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

Scott Pearl
 

Brian,

This is a good resource, thank you. Do you know how it differs from JAWS convenient OCR? Are there advantages?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 2:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

Oh, and I forgot to note in my last message that while PDF-Xchange Viewer is a really excellent tool for running OCR and then saving the resulting text layer with the original file so that you never need to do it again, it is NOT near to 100% accessible.  You should read the resulting files using the PDF reader of your preference.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

To think is to differ.
      ~ Clarence Darrow


moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

Oh, and I forgot to note in my last message that while PDF-Xchange Viewer is a really excellent tool for running OCR and then saving the resulting text layer with the original file so that you never need to do it again, it is NOT near to 100% accessible.  You should read the resulting files using the PDF reader of your preference.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

To think is to differ.
      ~ Clarence Darrow


moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

There are still scads of image scanned PDFs out there that are unlikely to be OCR converted by the people sending them around.

See my post from 2018 on the NVDA Group entitled:  Free & Good OCR Software for Image Scanned PDFs

The advice still stands and the steps are screen reader agnostic, as the shortcuts involved are for PDF-Xchange Viewer.
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To think is to differ.
      ~ Clarence Darrow


moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

HH. Smith Jr.
 

Hi,

Have you tried using Google chrome to open your pdf’s.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 11:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

Have you tried Jaws built-in convenient OCR?

 

Otherwise, you probably have to reach out to the person creating the PDF to see if they cannot improve the structure.

 

 

 

Richard

 

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.

 

 

My web site, www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Benstead
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 8:16 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

Are there any good tutorials or resources covering how JAWS can be used to access PDFs, and how PDFs can be manipulated to work better with JAWS? I know how to read through a well put together PDF, and I know how to OCR and Autotag a PDF in Acrobat Pro, but I'm still having problems dealing with a lot of PDFs I encounter day to day.

 

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moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

Jasmine Kotsay
 

You may want to try Abbyy Fine Reader

On Mar 11, 2021, at 8:20 AM, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:



Have you tried Jaws built-in convenient OCR?

 

Otherwise, you probably have to reach out to the person creating the PDF to see if they cannot improve the structure.

 

 

Richard

 

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.

 

 

My web site, www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Benstead
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 8:16 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

Are there any good tutorials or resources covering how JAWS can be used to access PDFs, and how PDFs can be manipulated to work better with JAWS? I know how to read through a well put together PDF, and I know how to OCR and Autotag a PDF in Acrobat Pro, but I'm still having problems dealing with a lot of PDFs I encounter day to day.

 

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moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

Richard Turner
 

Have you tried Jaws built-in convenient OCR?

 

Otherwise, you probably have to reach out to the person creating the PDF to see if they cannot improve the structure.

 

 

Richard

 

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.

 

 

My web site, www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Benstead
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 8:16 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

Are there any good tutorials or resources covering how JAWS can be used to access PDFs, and how PDFs can be manipulated to work better with JAWS? I know how to read through a well put together PDF, and I know how to OCR and Autotag a PDF in Acrobat Pro, but I'm still having problems dealing with a lot of PDFs I encounter day to day.

 

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moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

Milton Ota
 

Hi,

 

If you have the most current version of JAWS, the OCR feature is probably the best thing for quick and fast reading of PDF‘s.

 

You can find find information on the Freedom Scientific website on how to use the OCR in JAWS.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Benstead
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 10:16 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

Are there any good tutorials or resources covering how JAWS can be used to access PDFs, and how PDFs can be manipulated to work better with JAWS? I know how to read through a well put together PDF, and I know how to OCR and Autotag a PDF in Acrobat Pro, but I'm still having problems dealing with a lot of PDFs I encounter day to day.

 

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moderated Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

James Benstead
 

Are there any good tutorials or resources covering how JAWS can be used to access PDFs, and how PDFs can be manipulated to work better with JAWS? I know how to read through a well put together PDF, and I know how to OCR and Autotag a PDF in Acrobat Pro, but I'm still having problems dealing with a lot of PDFs I encounter day to day.

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