Date   

moderated Re: Select Google Chrome from desktop and stays on desktop

 

A perfect time to get in touch with Freedom Scientific tech support.  Even if the issue does lie with Chrome, you can be certain that it's probably not only you it's happened to.  Getting a "critical mass" of reports is what gets the ball rolling between companies such as Freedom Scientific and Google on issues such as this.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Select Google Chrome from desktop and stays on desktop

kevin meyers
 

I reinstalled Chrome. It worked the first time. After that it went back to doing the same thing.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 9:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Select Google Chrome from desktop and stays on desktop

 

Sounds like a Chrome issue. Try reinstalling Chrome or do a repair if it has that option. When I open chrome with jaws 2020 I always land in the address bar.

 

On 4/27/2020 7:11 AM, kevin meyers wrote:

Hello, I’m using the most recent 2020 version of Jaws and Office 2016. I select Google Chrome from my desktop and the cursor remains on the desktop. I thought it didn’t open a Google window. I press enter again and nothing happens. I found out that Google Chrome did open a window and I have to move to the window where as before I would be sitting in the window. Then when I move to the window it says dash Google Chrome. Sometimes I can tab back and forth and I get to the address and search bar. Times I have to close out of Google Chrome. Times I have to move out of the window and then back. This never happened before the most recent version of Jaws. What do I need to stop this from happening? Thanks, Kevin

 


moderated Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications

David Goldfield
 

Hi, Tom.

If you're using Brian Hartgen's Zoom scripts with JAWS, including the free scripts, you can press alt-Windows-S to toggle the speaking of Zoom alerts. Without those scripts JAWS and NVDA can be set to not speak anything but the problem with this latter approach is that you then silence nearly everything else, which is not always ideal or desirable. It sounds like Zoom is planning to allow users to select which alerts they do and don't wish to hear. This is particularly nice as this should work regardless of which screen reader you are using.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 4/28/2020 10:32 AM, Tom Behler wrote:

Hello.

 

I thought the Jaws or insert key plus S also enables and disables announcements.

 

Please correct me if I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications

 

That keystroke works in the free Zoom. Its part of the scripts included in Jaws 2020 for sure since I do not have the pro scripts and it works.

 

Richard

Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020

 



On Apr 28, 2020, at 6:24 AM, Mario <mrb620@...> wrote:

according to an audio I found from Brian Hartgen, if you get the Zoom professional scripts, windows+alt+s  disables the alerts globally. but if one downloads the free basic scripts, windows+alt+s only disables the alerts when in the client window.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Shai [mailto:shaiwol@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Monday, April 27, 2020, 7:20 PM
Subject: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications
That's correct Monica but that is only when one is in the Zoom
application. If a person elects to go to the desktop or any other part
of their pc, then the alert that the person has joined/left a meeting
will be indicated by JAWS again.

On 4/27/20, Monica S <mrod16@...> wrote:
Hi, I think you would press windows+alt+s to disable alerts.







From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit
Notifications



I have found that pressing JAWS + S until you hear ‘'”None” turns off screen
echo, which stops JAWS from announcing who has entered or left the meeting.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist
in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13



From: Richard Turner <mailto:richardturner42@...>

Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 8:36 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit
Notifications



Hi,

So, are the announcements of people entering or leaving considered an alert?
 Like others, I’ve been thrown into learning zoom.

If those are alerts then they can be turned off, but it looks like all
alerts will be turned off.  This is from pressing insert+h in Zoom with
Jaws.

.


Link‑ To enable or disable alerts, press Alt+Windows+S.
Link‑ To hear the most recent alert, press Alt+Windows+A.
Link‑ To be reminded of whether alert announcements are enabled or disabled,
press JAWSKey+Tab.
To review the last 10 alerts or messages, press Control+1 through to
Control+0. Press twice quickly to virtualise.
Link‑ To only allow chat messages when pressing Control+1 through to
Control+0 press control+F5.

Functionality has also been added to report:
The state of recording when ALT+R is pressed. This is a keystroke which
enables or disables the recording.
Whether the recording has been paused or is resuming when ALT+P is pressed.

Whether the audio has been muted for all participants when ALT+A is pressed.


The controls for scheduling and creating a meeting should also be easier to
understand.






Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland,
Oregon.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  <main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io
> > On Behalf Of David Kingsbury
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 5:26 AM
To: 'JAWS Main Discussion List' <main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io
> >
Subject: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications



Hi all,



Below is a message I just sent to Zoom Tech Support. If you agree with my
opinion, please take a little time to send them similar requests. It’s more
effective if several people speak out.



Regards,

David



Hello,



I would like to report on a general problem, not specific to any meeting,
and make some suggestions. I am blind and use the JAWS screen reader
program. Like millions of other people, many blind people have increased
their use of the invaluable Zoom platform to stay in touch and conduct
business meetings in these challenging times.



As you know, when participants enter and leave meetings, it is announced. I
assume visual participants see something on the screen. Screen reader users
hear “John Smith has entered the meeting,” or “Sally Jones has left the
meeting.” Because we are forced to hear this audio, it often seriously
disrupts meetings, especially those with a large number of participants.
Presenters who use screen readers are frequently interrupted and thrown off
stride. Participants often have to ask presenters to repeat what they just
said. It can even be awkward and embarrassing. Imagine yourself in a meeting
conducted in a physical conference room. In the middle of a presentation,
somebody suddenly blurts out “My name is John Smith and I am leaving the
meeting.” He then gets up and walks out the door. Of course, everybody would
be shocked at this outrageous behavior. A milder form of this can happen in
Zoom meetings. To be perfectly frank, the main reason I leave meetings early
is that I no longer think the discussion worth my time. But I don’t want to
be forced to publicly proclaim it. One thing I recently figured out is to
rename myself as a fake phone number. That way, when I leave nobody knows
who I am. But I should not be compelled to resort to such devious behavior.




While there are ways that blind people can mute their screen reader program,
that only works for those individuals who know the keystrokes. It does not
help improve overall meeting quality for the other participants. And if I am
a presenter, I may need to hear my screen reader program, so I must unmute
it, causing me to hear this annoying verbiage again.



Giving participants and hosts the option to disable entry and exit
notifications would greatly improve the Zoom meeting experience for screen
reader users. I would suggest the following specific modifications to the
Zoom app on the PC.



For participants:

*    In the Settings area accessed through the Home Tab, provide an option for
individuals to mute their individual entry/exit notification.
*    Provide an additional option to mute such notifications for all
participants.
*    In the Participants List area of the Meeting Controls window for meetings
you are currently participating in, add a disable entry/exit notifications
in the More options for individual participants dropdown.



For hosts:

*    In the meetings Tab of the PC app, when scheduling meetings, add an option
to disable exit/entry notifications in the Advanced options dropdown.
*    In the Participants List area of the Meeting Controls window for meetings
you are currently hosting, add a disable entry/exit notifications in the
More options for All participants dropdown.



It would be advisable to make similar modifications in the appropriate
places in the smartphone app.





Thank you for taking time to consider these ideas and hopefully implement
them . I strongly believe that if You make these modifications in a future
update, it will greatly improve the Zoom meeting experience for blind and
visually impaired users of the Zoom Cloud platform.



Regards,

David Kingsbury




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moderated Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications

Tom Behler
 

Hello.

 

I thought the Jaws or insert key plus S also enables and disables announcements.

 

Please correct me if I’m wrong.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications

 

That keystroke works in the free Zoom. Its part of the scripts included in Jaws 2020 for sure since I do not have the pro scripts and it works.

 

Richard

Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020

 



On Apr 28, 2020, at 6:24 AM, Mario <mrb620@...> wrote:

according to an audio I found from Brian Hartgen, if you get the Zoom professional scripts, windows+alt+s  disables the alerts globally. but if one downloads the free basic scripts, windows+alt+s only disables the alerts when in the client window.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Shai [mailto:shaiwol@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Monday, April 27, 2020, 7:20 PM
Subject: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications
That's correct Monica but that is only when one is in the Zoom
application. If a person elects to go to the desktop or any other part
of their pc, then the alert that the person has joined/left a meeting
will be indicated by JAWS again.

On 4/27/20, Monica S <mrod16@...> wrote:
Hi, I think you would press windows+alt+s to disable alerts.







From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit
Notifications



I have found that pressing JAWS + S until you hear ‘'”None” turns off screen
echo, which stops JAWS from announcing who has entered or left the meeting.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist
in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13



From: Richard Turner <mailto:richardturner42@...>

Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 8:36 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit
Notifications



Hi,

So, are the announcements of people entering or leaving considered an alert?
 Like others, I’ve been thrown into learning zoom.

If those are alerts then they can be turned off, but it looks like all
alerts will be turned off.  This is from pressing insert+h in Zoom with
Jaws.

.


Link‑ To enable or disable alerts, press Alt+Windows+S.
Link‑ To hear the most recent alert, press Alt+Windows+A.
Link‑ To be reminded of whether alert announcements are enabled or disabled,
press JAWSKey+Tab.
To review the last 10 alerts or messages, press Control+1 through to
Control+0. Press twice quickly to virtualise.
Link‑ To only allow chat messages when pressing Control+1 through to
Control+0 press control+F5.

Functionality has also been added to report:
The state of recording when ALT+R is pressed. This is a keystroke which
enables or disables the recording.
Whether the recording has been paused or is resuming when ALT+P is pressed.

Whether the audio has been muted for all participants when ALT+A is pressed.


The controls for scheduling and creating a meeting should also be easier to
understand.






Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland,
Oregon.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  <main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io
> > On Behalf Of David Kingsbury
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 5:26 AM
To: 'JAWS Main Discussion List' <main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io
> >
Subject: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications



Hi all,



Below is a message I just sent to Zoom Tech Support. If you agree with my
opinion, please take a little time to send them similar requests. It’s more
effective if several people speak out.



Regards,

David



Hello,



I would like to report on a general problem, not specific to any meeting,
and make some suggestions. I am blind and use the JAWS screen reader
program. Like millions of other people, many blind people have increased
their use of the invaluable Zoom platform to stay in touch and conduct
business meetings in these challenging times.



As you know, when participants enter and leave meetings, it is announced. I
assume visual participants see something on the screen. Screen reader users
hear “John Smith has entered the meeting,” or “Sally Jones has left the
meeting.” Because we are forced to hear this audio, it often seriously
disrupts meetings, especially those with a large number of participants.
Presenters who use screen readers are frequently interrupted and thrown off
stride. Participants often have to ask presenters to repeat what they just
said. It can even be awkward and embarrassing. Imagine yourself in a meeting
conducted in a physical conference room. In the middle of a presentation,
somebody suddenly blurts out “My name is John Smith and I am leaving the
meeting.” He then gets up and walks out the door. Of course, everybody would
be shocked at this outrageous behavior. A milder form of this can happen in
Zoom meetings. To be perfectly frank, the main reason I leave meetings early
is that I no longer think the discussion worth my time. But I don’t want to
be forced to publicly proclaim it. One thing I recently figured out is to
rename myself as a fake phone number. That way, when I leave nobody knows
who I am. But I should not be compelled to resort to such devious behavior.




While there are ways that blind people can mute their screen reader program,
that only works for those individuals who know the keystrokes. It does not
help improve overall meeting quality for the other participants. And if I am
a presenter, I may need to hear my screen reader program, so I must unmute
it, causing me to hear this annoying verbiage again.



Giving participants and hosts the option to disable entry and exit
notifications would greatly improve the Zoom meeting experience for screen
reader users. I would suggest the following specific modifications to the
Zoom app on the PC.



For participants:

*    In the Settings area accessed through the Home Tab, provide an option for
individuals to mute their individual entry/exit notification.
*    Provide an additional option to mute such notifications for all
participants.
*    In the Participants List area of the Meeting Controls window for meetings
you are currently participating in, add a disable entry/exit notifications
in the More options for individual participants dropdown.



For hosts:

*    In the meetings Tab of the PC app, when scheduling meetings, add an option
to disable exit/entry notifications in the Advanced options dropdown.
*    In the Participants List area of the Meeting Controls window for meetings
you are currently hosting, add a disable entry/exit notifications in the
More options for All participants dropdown.



It would be advisable to make similar modifications in the appropriate
places in the smartphone app.





Thank you for taking time to consider these ideas and hopefully implement
them . I strongly believe that if You make these modifications in a future
update, it will greatly improve the Zoom meeting experience for blind and
visually impaired users of the Zoom Cloud platform.



Regards,

David Kingsbury




Carroll Center for the Blind Confidentiality Notice:  This email and any
files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the
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may contain sensitive or confidential information.  If you are not an
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moderated Jaws 2020 April update

 

The latest Jaws 2020 April update, version 2020.2004.66,  is available on the Jaws website for download as of this morning.

 


moderated Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications

Richard Turner
 

That keystroke works in the free Zoom. Its part of the scripts included in Jaws 2020 for sure since I do not have the pro scripts and it works.


Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On Apr 28, 2020, at 6:24 AM, Mario <mrb620@...> wrote:

according to an audio I found from Brian Hartgen, if you get the Zoom professional scripts, windows+alt+s  disables the alerts globally. but if one downloads the free basic scripts, windows+alt+s only disables the alerts when in the client window.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Shai [mailto:shaiwol@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Monday, April 27, 2020, 7:20 PM
Subject: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications
That's correct Monica but that is only when one is in the Zoom
application. If a person elects to go to the desktop or any other part
of their pc, then the alert that the person has joined/left a meeting
will be indicated by JAWS again.

On 4/27/20, Monica S <mrod16@...> wrote:
Hi, I think you would press windows+alt+s to disable alerts.







From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit
Notifications



I have found that pressing JAWS + S until you hear ‘'”None” turns off screen
echo, which stops JAWS from announcing who has entered or left the meeting.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist
in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13



From: Richard Turner <mailto:richardturner42@...>

Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 8:36 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit
Notifications



Hi,

So, are the announcements of people entering or leaving considered an alert?
 Like others, I’ve been thrown into learning zoom.

If those are alerts then they can be turned off, but it looks like all
alerts will be turned off.  This is from pressing insert+h in Zoom with
Jaws.

.


Link‑ To enable or disable alerts, press Alt+Windows+S.
Link‑ To hear the most recent alert, press Alt+Windows+A.
Link‑ To be reminded of whether alert announcements are enabled or disabled,
press JAWSKey+Tab.
To review the last 10 alerts or messages, press Control+1 through to
Control+0. Press twice quickly to virtualise.
Link‑ To only allow chat messages when pressing Control+1 through to
Control+0 press control+F5.

Functionality has also been added to report:
The state of recording when ALT+R is pressed. This is a keystroke which
enables or disables the recording.
Whether the recording has been paused or is resuming when ALT+P is pressed.

Whether the audio has been muted for all participants when ALT+A is pressed.


The controls for scheduling and creating a meeting should also be easier to
understand.






Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland,
Oregon.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  <main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of David Kingsbury
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 5:26 AM
To: 'JAWS Main Discussion List' <main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> >
Subject: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications



Hi all,



Below is a message I just sent to Zoom Tech Support. If you agree with my
opinion, please take a little time to send them similar requests. It’s more
effective if several people speak out.



Regards,

David



Hello,



I would like to report on a general problem, not specific to any meeting,
and make some suggestions. I am blind and use the JAWS screen reader
program. Like millions of other people, many blind people have increased
their use of the invaluable Zoom platform to stay in touch and conduct
business meetings in these challenging times.



As you know, when participants enter and leave meetings, it is announced. I
assume visual participants see something on the screen. Screen reader users
hear “John Smith has entered the meeting,” or “Sally Jones has left the
meeting.” Because we are forced to hear this audio, it often seriously
disrupts meetings, especially those with a large number of participants.
Presenters who use screen readers are frequently interrupted and thrown off
stride. Participants often have to ask presenters to repeat what they just
said. It can even be awkward and embarrassing. Imagine yourself in a meeting
conducted in a physical conference room. In the middle of a presentation,
somebody suddenly blurts out “My name is John Smith and I am leaving the
meeting.” He then gets up and walks out the door. Of course, everybody would
be shocked at this outrageous behavior. A milder form of this can happen in
Zoom meetings. To be perfectly frank, the main reason I leave meetings early
is that I no longer think the discussion worth my time. But I don’t want to
be forced to publicly proclaim it. One thing I recently figured out is to
rename myself as a fake phone number. That way, when I leave nobody knows
who I am. But I should not be compelled to resort to such devious behavior.




While there are ways that blind people can mute their screen reader program,
that only works for those individuals who know the keystrokes. It does not
help improve overall meeting quality for the other participants. And if I am
a presenter, I may need to hear my screen reader program, so I must unmute
it, causing me to hear this annoying verbiage again.



Giving participants and hosts the option to disable entry and exit
notifications would greatly improve the Zoom meeting experience for screen
reader users. I would suggest the following specific modifications to the
Zoom app on the PC.



For participants:

*    In the Settings area accessed through the Home Tab, provide an option for
individuals to mute their individual entry/exit notification.
*    Provide an additional option to mute such notifications for all
participants.
*    In the Participants List area of the Meeting Controls window for meetings
you are currently participating in, add a disable entry/exit notifications
in the More options for individual participants dropdown.



For hosts:

*    In the meetings Tab of the PC app, when scheduling meetings, add an option
to disable exit/entry notifications in the Advanced options dropdown.
*    In the Participants List area of the Meeting Controls window for meetings
you are currently hosting, add a disable entry/exit notifications in the
More options for All participants dropdown.



It would be advisable to make similar modifications in the appropriate
places in the smartphone app.





Thank you for taking time to consider these ideas and hopefully implement
them . I strongly believe that if You make these modifications in a future
update, it will greatly improve the Zoom meeting experience for blind and
visually impaired users of the Zoom Cloud platform.



Regards,

David Kingsbury




Carroll Center for the Blind Confidentiality Notice:  This email and any
files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the
use of the individual(s) addressed in the message above.  This communication
may contain sensitive or confidential information.  If you are not an
intended recipient dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this
email is strictly prohibited.  If you received this email in error and the
email contains private information, please contact the Carroll Center
Compliance Line at 617-969-6200 x. 214.  If the email was sent to you in
error but does not contain private information, please contact the sender
and delete the email.










.






moderated Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications

Mario
 

according to an audio I found from Brian Hartgen, if you get the Zoom professional scripts, windows+alt+s disables the alerts globally. but if one downloads the free basic scripts, windows+alt+s only disables the alerts when in the client window.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Shai [mailto:shaiwol@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Monday, April 27, 2020, 7:20 PM
Subject: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications
That's correct Monica but that is only when one is in the Zoom
application. If a person elects to go to the desktop or any other part
of their pc, then the alert that the person has joined/left a meeting
will be indicated by JAWS again.

On 4/27/20, Monica S <mrod16@...> wrote:
Hi, I think you would press windows+alt+s to disable alerts.







From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit
Notifications



I have found that pressing JAWS + S until you hear ‘'”None” turns off screen
echo, which stops JAWS from announcing who has entered or left the meeting.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist
in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13



From: Richard Turner <mailto:richardturner42@...>

Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 8:36 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit
Notifications



Hi,

So, are the announcements of people entering or leaving considered an alert?
Like others, I’ve been thrown into learning zoom.

If those are alerts then they can be turned off, but it looks like all
alerts will be turned off. This is from pressing insert+h in Zoom with
Jaws.

.


Link‑ To enable or disable alerts, press Alt+Windows+S.
Link‑ To hear the most recent alert, press Alt+Windows+A.
Link‑ To be reminded of whether alert announcements are enabled or disabled,
press JAWSKey+Tab.
To review the last 10 alerts or messages, press Control+1 through to
Control+0. Press twice quickly to virtualise.
Link‑ To only allow chat messages when pressing Control+1 through to
Control+0 press control+F5.

Functionality has also been added to report:
The state of recording when ALT+R is pressed. This is a keystroke which
enables or disables the recording.
Whether the recording has been paused or is resuming when ALT+P is pressed.

Whether the audio has been muted for all participants when ALT+A is pressed.


The controls for scheduling and creating a meeting should also be easier to
understand.






Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland,
Oregon.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of David Kingsbury
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 5:26 AM
To: 'JAWS Main Discussion List' <main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> >
Subject: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications



Hi all,



Below is a message I just sent to Zoom Tech Support. If you agree with my
opinion, please take a little time to send them similar requests. It’s more
effective if several people speak out.



Regards,

David



Hello,



I would like to report on a general problem, not specific to any meeting,
and make some suggestions. I am blind and use the JAWS screen reader
program. Like millions of other people, many blind people have increased
their use of the invaluable Zoom platform to stay in touch and conduct
business meetings in these challenging times.



As you know, when participants enter and leave meetings, it is announced. I
assume visual participants see something on the screen. Screen reader users
hear “John Smith has entered the meeting,” or “Sally Jones has left the
meeting.” Because we are forced to hear this audio, it often seriously
disrupts meetings, especially those with a large number of participants.
Presenters who use screen readers are frequently interrupted and thrown off
stride. Participants often have to ask presenters to repeat what they just
said. It can even be awkward and embarrassing. Imagine yourself in a meeting
conducted in a physical conference room. In the middle of a presentation,
somebody suddenly blurts out “My name is John Smith and I am leaving the
meeting.” He then gets up and walks out the door. Of course, everybody would
be shocked at this outrageous behavior. A milder form of this can happen in
Zoom meetings. To be perfectly frank, the main reason I leave meetings early
is that I no longer think the discussion worth my time. But I don’t want to
be forced to publicly proclaim it. One thing I recently figured out is to
rename myself as a fake phone number. That way, when I leave nobody knows
who I am. But I should not be compelled to resort to such devious behavior.




While there are ways that blind people can mute their screen reader program,
that only works for those individuals who know the keystrokes. It does not
help improve overall meeting quality for the other participants. And if I am
a presenter, I may need to hear my screen reader program, so I must unmute
it, causing me to hear this annoying verbiage again.



Giving participants and hosts the option to disable entry and exit
notifications would greatly improve the Zoom meeting experience for screen
reader users. I would suggest the following specific modifications to the
Zoom app on the PC.



For participants:

* In the Settings area accessed through the Home Tab, provide an option for
individuals to mute their individual entry/exit notification.
* Provide an additional option to mute such notifications for all
participants.
* In the Participants List area of the Meeting Controls window for meetings
you are currently participating in, add a disable entry/exit notifications
in the More options for individual participants dropdown.



For hosts:

* In the meetings Tab of the PC app, when scheduling meetings, add an option
to disable exit/entry notifications in the Advanced options dropdown.
* In the Participants List area of the Meeting Controls window for meetings
you are currently hosting, add a disable entry/exit notifications in the
More options for All participants dropdown.



It would be advisable to make similar modifications in the appropriate
places in the smartphone app.





Thank you for taking time to consider these ideas and hopefully implement
them . I strongly believe that if You make these modifications in a future
update, it will greatly improve the Zoom meeting experience for blind and
visually impaired users of the Zoom Cloud platform.



Regards,

David Kingsbury




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moderated Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Patrick Murphy
 

Hi Dave,

Jaws 2020. I have also tried it with jaws2018 which works fine.
Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Tuesday 28 April 2020 13:17
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hello Patrick:

Which version of JAWS is set to start when Windows starts, JFW 18 or 2020?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Murphy" <murphy.patrick42@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.


Hi,

Thanks for your response. I am now more convinced than ever, that it is an
authorization problem. My internet just went down, and jaws started
correctly.
I have set the computer to not connect to the internet and it works just
fine.
When the pc does have an internet connection, it doesn't.
I think that, therefore, when it is checking while loading (grace period),
it gets into a mess.
I will update if i can prove this definitely.
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Monday 27 April 2020 17:19
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

The fact is that you won't have a choice but to upgrade anyways sooner or
later and with another Windows 10 update coming very soon it may be sooner
rather than later. Even now the emoji panel, for example, is not useable
to
you with Jaws 2018 and in time there may be other features. If you use
Office you will find that it works best with the latest version of Jaws
and
while I know you said there is always NVDA that is a call you have to
make,
it wouldn't work for an old Jaws guy like me, I tried it and I just can't
get used to how they do stuff. Maybe I don't want to get used to it
because
I have always kept up my SMA and always used the latest version of Jaws,
but
once again, that is everybody's choice. All I can say is that is not an
issue I have heard about before hence it must be specific to your
configuration. I am not usually somebody who says reinstalling Windows
from
scratch should be your first option, but if you can't or don't want to get
a
h old of Jaws support to see what they may suggest and if this is a big
deal
for you otherwise I'd say this maybe an option.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 12:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi Andrew,
i tried that.
in jaws 2018, it will let me reactivate using my full licence. it asks me
for my actual authorization number.
however, when i do this, jaws 2020 is not authorized, as i do not have a
valid internet licence for that.
this will eliminate the checking and validation of a proper licence, so
the
problem goes away.
i know this, because when i first installed it, it was running in 40
minute
mode, and there was absolutely no problem.
once i installed the 90 day ilm key, it would not load the jaws window at
all after that.
as i said, i can quit and restart jaws 2020 and it works fine.
i think i am left with two options.
one, do as you say and reactivate my jaws 2018 with my old licence and run
jaws 2020 in 40 minute mode.
two, update to jaws 2020 altogether.
if then, the problem goes away, great. if not, i have just wasted the
price
of an upgrade.
regards,
pat


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew
Summers via groups.io
Sent: Sunday 26 April 2020 16:15
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Pat,
Have you gone to the JAWS help and come down to License sub menu and then
pressed enter on Update Activation...
If not please try that!

Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: 26 April 2020 13:49
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi Andrew,

There is no jaws window when jaws 2020 starts up. I have to exit it and
start it again in order to gain access to anything.
I tried your suggestion some time ago. The remove authorization option
will
not remove the ilm key.
Pat


ent from my gmail account

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew
Summers via groups.io
Sent: Sunday 26 April 2020 11:44
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi Pat,
If you go to the JAWS window, and then press the menu bar and go to the
Utilities menu, you will find in there Explore Utilities Folder.
Press enter on that.
In there is an option to Remove JAWS Activation, press enter.
HTH

Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: 26 April 2020 08:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi Dave,

Yes, i am on the last version of jaws 2018 which is all i am entitled to.
I did use the jaws import wizard to copy my shared settings.
I have a 90 day ilm key just to try out jaws 2020.
Jaws2020 and jaws2018 are now both authorized using the same 90 day key
for
some reason.
With regards to settings etc, i uninstalled both, reinstalled both,
removed
both again with all settings and shared components, reinstalled jaws2020,
but still the problem exists.
One peculiar thing though, i started up my computer yesterday from a
shutdown, and everything with jaws2020 worked fine.
I did the exact same thing just now, and the problem came back.
I am convinced at this stage, that it does have something to do with the
new
"grace period" authorization function introduced in jaws 2019.
I think it is loading before it knows for certain whether or not you have
a
valid key. Sometimes the check works, and sometimes it doesn't and jaws
half
loads with no actual jaws window.
I also think, that it might have something to do with the ilm key, as this
is a very old type of authorization for a pc, as against the internet
activation method. However, i am not paying for an upgrade until i can get
a
definite sort-out for this problem. As i said in another post, there is
always nvda, but i would rather stay with jaws.

Regards,

Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday 25 April 2020 10:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hello Pat:

Question 1: With JAWS 18, are you on the last upgrade for your current
SMA?
Which is why you are using the temporary license for JAWS 2020, so you can
try its new and upgraded features?

Question 2: did you use the JAWS function, which copies the settings you
set

in JAWS 18 to JAWS 2020?

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Murphy" <murphy.patrick42@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.


Hi Sieghard,

Thanks for that. I am actually in Ireland, but i will try this and see
what response i get.
Do you have their skype number?

Pat


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday 25 April 2020 05:01
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Patrick, are you in the UK? What number do you call? I can see how an
email could take several days to receive a reply, but if you call
their regular US number (if you are in the UK an duse Skype you can
even call their toll free
number) you should get somebody on the line right away.
The regular number is +1 727-803-8600.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick
Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi,

I too agree with bill.
I sent two emails about jaws 2020 not starting correctly, and got
nothing back but "thanks for your email".


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 18:52
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi, Merv. I don't understand, then, why they didn't get back to me the
other day, when I put in my callback number.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Merv
Keck
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Vispero is not closed due to COVID-19. Everyone is working as usual.
If you need technical, customer, or sales support call vispero as
usual. Vispero has not ever closed due to the virus. They are
continuing to support their customers as usual.
Merv


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 1:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi, Patrick. Even if JAWS starts before Windows starts, eventually you
should get to the desktop, as JAWS is made to start before many
programs, and after they load, JAWS still provides voicing, screen
content and navigation. If you wish, since Vispero is temporarily
closed due to COVID-19, you may give me a call at,

714-835-6295,
and I will stay on the phone with you to see what is happening.

I hope I may be able to help you.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Patrick Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 8:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi,

Yes, latest version of windows 10 home edition with all necessary and
optional updates installed.
Checked yesterday, and there is no further updates needed.
Downloaded the latest version of jaws from freedom scientific and used
it.
All apps in startup are turned off, apart from the necessary ones such
as the audio drivers etc that are actually necessary.
There is an application file for jaws set to "on". I set this to "off"
just
in case, but no difference.
Pat


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Abraham Sweiss
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 16:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Is windows fully patched.
Are you installing the latest version of jaws. I think It is the March
release I believe.

Thanks,abraham

On Apr 24, 2020, at 11:12 AM, Patrick Murphy
<murphy.patrick42@...>
wrote:

I did this, but no results.
I disabled both start at logon screen and start for this user always
in
jaws
2018.
I then set them for jaws 2020.
Only one should load.
However, i did notice one peculiar thing.
When i set either of them to "always start for this user", the option
changes for both versions. I cannot set 2018 to "never" and 2020 to
"always". No matter where i change it (20158 or 2020), it defaults to
the same thing in both versions. The only independant thing is "start
at the logon screen". This is different when set in both versions.


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 16:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

The problem may be as I had. Both versions, 18 and 20 are fighting to
load at same time. Go into whatever version you do not want to load
and correct this and be sure the version you want to load is properly
set. Then I do believe this will be better...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick
Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi,

I wasn't aware of this feature, but you could be right. Now that i
think
of
it, it started right after i installed the temporary authorization
(90
days)
that i was given to try it out.
That could explain why 2018 works and 2020 doesn't. If it checks
while windows is loading, it could be a problem. When i stop and
restart it, it
is
fine, but then windows is fully up at that time.
Any way to disable/check/change this or something?

Pat


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann
Byrne
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 14:34
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

might that be the JAWS feature touted as new in either 2019 or 2020,
saying
that JAWS will speak before checking your authorization, so you don't
have to wait so long to hear that it is running. However, it doesn't
do
anything
till it makes internal checks and decides what context you are
running in.
So in my opinion it is a totally useless change which FS calls an
improvement.
At 07:59 AM 4/24/2020, you wrote:
Hi Mike,

I have tried all this, I tried to post a full message about
everything last night, but it was not approved. I think it was too big.
Regardless of what I do with jaws2020 (login screen etc), the first
time it starts up, there is no window to go to.
Insert+j brings you nowhere whether it is running from system tray
Insert+or
not.
If you shut it down (insert+f4) and then restart it, everything is ok.
If you don't start it at the login screen, it still produces no window.
Pat


Sent from my gmail account.

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike B
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 13:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

It sounds like J2020 is set to start on the log-in screen. If
you're saying that there's no Jaws window when you, Alt + tab, you
probably have J2020 running from the system tray. To find the
settings for both these items press, Insert + J, to open the Jaws
context menu, press the letter, O, to open, Options, and press the
letter, B, to open,
Basic.
Now tab to Automatically start Jaws...
button and press the spacebar to find your Jaws start settings and
tab to Okay and press the spacebar when you're through in here. Now
tab 3 times or so to, Run Jaws from system tray, and uncheck this if
you want the Jaws window to be in the, Alt + Tab, order, then tab to
Okay and press enter to save / close.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
*My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when
I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:murphy.patrick42@...>Patrick Murphy
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 2:37 AM
Subject: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi,

I am new to this group, so i hope i am doing this right.
I have jaws2018 and 2020. 2018 works fine, but when 2020 starts,
there is no jaws window.
It seems to be starting before windows 10 has loaded.
I uninstalled and reinstalled it, but there was no change.

Any ideas?

Regards,

Pat


Sent from my gmail account.



































































moderated Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Dave Durber
 

Hello Patrick:

Which version of JAWS is set to start when Windows starts, JFW 18 or 2020?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Murphy" <murphy.patrick42@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.


Hi,

Thanks for your response. I am now more convinced than ever, that it is an
authorization problem. My internet just went down, and jaws started
correctly.
I have set the computer to not connect to the internet and it works just
fine.
When the pc does have an internet connection, it doesn't.
I think that, therefore, when it is checking while loading (grace period),
it gets into a mess.
I will update if i can prove this definitely.
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Monday 27 April 2020 17:19
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

The fact is that you won't have a choice but to upgrade anyways sooner or
later and with another Windows 10 update coming very soon it may be sooner
rather than later. Even now the emoji panel, for example, is not useable to
you with Jaws 2018 and in time there may be other features. If you use
Office you will find that it works best with the latest version of Jaws and
while I know you said there is always NVDA that is a call you have to make,
it wouldn't work for an old Jaws guy like me, I tried it and I just can't
get used to how they do stuff. Maybe I don't want to get used to it because
I have always kept up my SMA and always used the latest version of Jaws, but
once again, that is everybody's choice. All I can say is that is not an
issue I have heard about before hence it must be specific to your
configuration. I am not usually somebody who says reinstalling Windows from
scratch should be your first option, but if you can't or don't want to get a
h old of Jaws support to see what they may suggest and if this is a big deal
for you otherwise I'd say this maybe an option.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 12:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi Andrew,
i tried that.
in jaws 2018, it will let me reactivate using my full licence. it asks me
for my actual authorization number.
however, when i do this, jaws 2020 is not authorized, as i do not have a
valid internet licence for that.
this will eliminate the checking and validation of a proper licence, so the
problem goes away.
i know this, because when i first installed it, it was running in 40 minute
mode, and there was absolutely no problem.
once i installed the 90 day ilm key, it would not load the jaws window at
all after that.
as i said, i can quit and restart jaws 2020 and it works fine.
i think i am left with two options.
one, do as you say and reactivate my jaws 2018 with my old licence and run
jaws 2020 in 40 minute mode.
two, update to jaws 2020 altogether.
if then, the problem goes away, great. if not, i have just wasted the price
of an upgrade.
regards,
pat


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew
Summers via groups.io
Sent: Sunday 26 April 2020 16:15
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Pat,
Have you gone to the JAWS help and come down to License sub menu and then
pressed enter on Update Activation...
If not please try that!

Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: 26 April 2020 13:49
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi Andrew,

There is no jaws window when jaws 2020 starts up. I have to exit it and
start it again in order to gain access to anything.
I tried your suggestion some time ago. The remove authorization option will
not remove the ilm key.
Pat


ent from my gmail account

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew
Summers via groups.io
Sent: Sunday 26 April 2020 11:44
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi Pat,
If you go to the JAWS window, and then press the menu bar and go to the
Utilities menu, you will find in there Explore Utilities Folder.
Press enter on that.
In there is an option to Remove JAWS Activation, press enter.
HTH

Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: 26 April 2020 08:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi Dave,

Yes, i am on the last version of jaws 2018 which is all i am entitled to.
I did use the jaws import wizard to copy my shared settings.
I have a 90 day ilm key just to try out jaws 2020.
Jaws2020 and jaws2018 are now both authorized using the same 90 day key for
some reason.
With regards to settings etc, i uninstalled both, reinstalled both, removed
both again with all settings and shared components, reinstalled jaws2020,
but still the problem exists.
One peculiar thing though, i started up my computer yesterday from a
shutdown, and everything with jaws2020 worked fine.
I did the exact same thing just now, and the problem came back.
I am convinced at this stage, that it does have something to do with the new
"grace period" authorization function introduced in jaws 2019.
I think it is loading before it knows for certain whether or not you have a
valid key. Sometimes the check works, and sometimes it doesn't and jaws half
loads with no actual jaws window.
I also think, that it might have something to do with the ilm key, as this
is a very old type of authorization for a pc, as against the internet
activation method. However, i am not paying for an upgrade until i can get a
definite sort-out for this problem. As i said in another post, there is
always nvda, but i would rather stay with jaws.

Regards,

Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday 25 April 2020 10:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hello Pat:

Question 1: With JAWS 18, are you on the last upgrade for your current SMA?
Which is why you are using the temporary license for JAWS 2020, so you can
try its new and upgraded features?

Question 2: did you use the JAWS function, which copies the settings you set

in JAWS 18 to JAWS 2020?

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Murphy" <murphy.patrick42@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.


Hi Sieghard,

Thanks for that. I am actually in Ireland, but i will try this and see
what response i get.
Do you have their skype number?

Pat


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday 25 April 2020 05:01
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Patrick, are you in the UK? What number do you call? I can see how an
email could take several days to receive a reply, but if you call
their regular US number (if you are in the UK an duse Skype you can
even call their toll free
number) you should get somebody on the line right away.
The regular number is +1 727-803-8600.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick
Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi,

I too agree with bill.
I sent two emails about jaws 2020 not starting correctly, and got
nothing back but "thanks for your email".


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 18:52
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi, Merv. I don't understand, then, why they didn't get back to me the
other day, when I put in my callback number.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Merv
Keck
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Vispero is not closed due to COVID-19. Everyone is working as usual.
If you need technical, customer, or sales support call vispero as
usual. Vispero has not ever closed due to the virus. They are
continuing to support their customers as usual.
Merv


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 1:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi, Patrick. Even if JAWS starts before Windows starts, eventually you
should get to the desktop, as JAWS is made to start before many
programs, and after they load, JAWS still provides voicing, screen
content and navigation. If you wish, since Vispero is temporarily
closed due to COVID-19, you may give me a call at,

714-835-6295,
and I will stay on the phone with you to see what is happening.

I hope I may be able to help you.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Patrick Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 8:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi,

Yes, latest version of windows 10 home edition with all necessary and
optional updates installed.
Checked yesterday, and there is no further updates needed.
Downloaded the latest version of jaws from freedom scientific and used it.
All apps in startup are turned off, apart from the necessary ones such
as the audio drivers etc that are actually necessary.
There is an application file for jaws set to "on". I set this to "off"
just
in case, but no difference.
Pat


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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Abraham Sweiss
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 16:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Is windows fully patched.
Are you installing the latest version of jaws. I think It is the March
release I believe.

Thanks,abraham

On Apr 24, 2020, at 11:12 AM, Patrick Murphy
<murphy.patrick42@...>
wrote:

I did this, but no results.
I disabled both start at logon screen and start for this user always
in
jaws
2018.
I then set them for jaws 2020.
Only one should load.
However, i did notice one peculiar thing.
When i set either of them to "always start for this user", the option
changes for both versions. I cannot set 2018 to "never" and 2020 to
"always". No matter where i change it (20158 or 2020), it defaults to
the same thing in both versions. The only independant thing is "start
at the logon screen". This is different when set in both versions.


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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 16:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

The problem may be as I had. Both versions, 18 and 20 are fighting to
load at same time. Go into whatever version you do not want to load
and correct this and be sure the version you want to load is properly
set. Then I do believe this will be better...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick
Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi,

I wasn't aware of this feature, but you could be right. Now that i
think
of
it, it started right after i installed the temporary authorization
(90
days)
that i was given to try it out.
That could explain why 2018 works and 2020 doesn't. If it checks
while windows is loading, it could be a problem. When i stop and
restart it, it
is
fine, but then windows is fully up at that time.
Any way to disable/check/change this or something?

Pat


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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann
Byrne
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 14:34
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

might that be the JAWS feature touted as new in either 2019 or 2020,
saying
that JAWS will speak before checking your authorization, so you don't
have to wait so long to hear that it is running. However, it doesn't
do
anything
till it makes internal checks and decides what context you are
running in.
So in my opinion it is a totally useless change which FS calls an
improvement.
At 07:59 AM 4/24/2020, you wrote:
Hi Mike,

I have tried all this, I tried to post a full message about
everything last night, but it was not approved. I think it was too big.
Regardless of what I do with jaws2020 (login screen etc), the first
time it starts up, there is no window to go to.
Insert+j brings you nowhere whether it is running from system tray
Insert+or
not.
If you shut it down (insert+f4) and then restart it, everything is ok.
If you don't start it at the login screen, it still produces no window.
Pat


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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike B
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 13:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

It sounds like J2020 is set to start on the log-in screen. If
you're saying that there's no Jaws window when you, Alt + tab, you
probably have J2020 running from the system tray. To find the
settings for both these items press, Insert + J, to open the Jaws
context menu, press the letter, O, to open, Options, and press the
letter, B, to open,
Basic.
Now tab to Automatically start Jaws...
button and press the spacebar to find your Jaws start settings and
tab to Okay and press the spacebar when you're through in here. Now
tab 3 times or so to, Run Jaws from system tray, and uncheck this if
you want the Jaws window to be in the, Alt + Tab, order, then tab to
Okay and press enter to save / close.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
*My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when
I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:murphy.patrick42@...>Patrick Murphy
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 2:37 AM
Subject: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi,

I am new to this group, so i hope i am doing this right.
I have jaws2018 and 2020. 2018 works fine, but when 2020 starts,
there is no jaws window.
It seems to be starting before windows 10 has loaded.
I uninstalled and reinstalled it, but there was no change.

Any ideas?

Regards,

Pat


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moderated Re: Docusign

John Covici
 

I was just trying to sign something and it had an area where I had to
draw something and no way I saw to get into screen reader mode where I
could just type my name -- that is what I was looking for.

On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 22:48:42 -0400,
Zel Iscel wrote:

I don't use a screen reader mode.
Are you trying to upload documents for signing or downloading them to read and sign?

I've only downloaded contracts to read and sign. I've not tried to upload documents so I don't know how accessible that is.

Cheers
Zel

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Zel Iscel
Disability Specialist
Inclusive World
Mobile: 0413813885
Email: zel@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Tuesday, 28 April 2020 3:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Docusign

I think this was roughly March of this year. There may be a screen reader mode, but I didn't see an obvious way to invoke it, how would you do that?

On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 01:23:16 -0400,
Zel Iscel wrote:

When was that, John.
I tested it a year ago and it wasn't very good but they'v'e improved it since then.

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Zel Iscel
Disability Specialist
Inclusive World
Mobile: 0413813885
Email: zel@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Saturday, 25 April 2020 1:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Docusign

I was never able to use docusign unassisted, it wanted me to draw the signature and in my case it did not have a screen reader mode anywhere I saw.

On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 01:13:37 -0400,
Zel Iscel wrote:

[1 <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>] Docusign works very
well for me. You can download the document, read it and then sign each page that needs signing, but signatures are done via the internet. So, you can read your docs in Adobe Acrobat and then sign through your internet browser.
I use Docusign with Brave and Google Chrome and both work well with it.

Cheers
Zel


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Zel Iscel
Disability Specialist
Inclusive World
Mobile: 0413813885
Email: zel@...<mailto:zel@...>

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richele
Pennock
Sent: Saturday, 25 April 2020 2:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Docusign

Hello there,
We are looking at using Docusign. Does anyone have any experience to know if this is accessible with screen reader software? Thank you!




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moderated Re: Docusign

Judy Redlich <jredlichspeaks@...>
 

I just signed several documents with it. I was using Jaws 19. Actually, I
was surprised at how easy it was.
Judy

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 12:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Docusign

When was that, John.
I tested it a year ago and it wasn't very good but they'v'e improved it
since then.

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Zel Iscel
Disability Specialist
Inclusive World
Mobile: 0413813885
Email: zel@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Saturday, 25 April 2020 1:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Docusign

I was never able to use docusign unassisted, it wanted me to draw the
signature and in my case it did not have a screen reader mode anywhere I
saw.

On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 01:13:37 -0400,
Zel Iscel wrote:

[1 <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>] Docusign works very
well for me. You can download the document, read it and then sign each
page that needs signing, but signatures are done via the internet. So, you
can read your docs in Adobe Acrobat and then sign through your internet
browser.
I use Docusign with Brave and Google Chrome and both work well with it.

Cheers
Zel


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Zel Iscel
Disability Specialist
Inclusive World
Mobile: 0413813885
Email: zel@...<mailto:zel@...>

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richele
Pennock
Sent: Saturday, 25 April 2020 2:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Docusign

Hello there,
We are looking at using Docusign. Does anyone have any experience to know
if this is accessible with screen reader software? Thank you!




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moderated Re: Docusign

Zel Iscel
 

I don't use a screen reader mode.
Are you trying to upload documents for signing or downloading them to read and sign?

I've only downloaded contracts to read and sign. I've not tried to upload documents so I don't know how accessible that is.

Cheers
Zel

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Zel Iscel
Disability Specialist
Inclusive World
Mobile: 0413813885
Email: zel@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Tuesday, 28 April 2020 3:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Docusign

I think this was roughly March of this year. There may be a screen reader mode, but I didn't see an obvious way to invoke it, how would you do that?

On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 01:23:16 -0400,
Zel Iscel wrote:

When was that, John.
I tested it a year ago and it wasn't very good but they'v'e improved it since then.

image001.jpg

Zel Iscel
Disability Specialist
Inclusive World
Mobile: 0413813885
Email: zel@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Saturday, 25 April 2020 1:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Docusign

I was never able to use docusign unassisted, it wanted me to draw the signature and in my case it did not have a screen reader mode anywhere I saw.

On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 01:13:37 -0400,
Zel Iscel wrote:

[1 <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>] Docusign works very
well for me. You can download the document, read it and then sign each page that needs signing, but signatures are done via the internet. So, you can read your docs in Adobe Acrobat and then sign through your internet browser.
I use Docusign with Brave and Google Chrome and both work well with it.

Cheers
Zel


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Zel Iscel
Disability Specialist
Inclusive World
Mobile: 0413813885
Email: zel@...<mailto:zel@...>

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richele
Pennock
Sent: Saturday, 25 April 2020 2:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Docusign

Hello there,
We are looking at using Docusign. Does anyone have any experience to know if this is accessible with screen reader software? Thank you!




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moderated Re: Select Google Chrome from desktop and stays on desktop

Randy Barnett
 

Sounds like a Chrome issue. Try reinstalling Chrome or do a repair if it has that option. When I open chrome with jaws 2020 I always land in the address bar.


On 4/27/2020 7:11 AM, kevin meyers wrote:

Hello, I’m using the most recent 2020 version of Jaws and Office 2016. I select Google Chrome from my desktop and the cursor remains on the desktop. I thought it didn’t open a Google window. I press enter again and nothing happens. I found out that Google Chrome did open a window and I have to move to the window where as before I would be sitting in the window. Then when I move to the window it says dash Google Chrome. Sometimes I can tab back and forth and I get to the address and search bar. Times I have to close out of Google Chrome. Times I have to move out of the window and then back. This never happened before the most recent version of Jaws. What do I need to stop this from happening? Thanks, Kevin

 


moderated Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

Judy
 

Michael, what did you do? I’d rather have them going down than across as well. I did turn off smart navigation but they still went across. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of michaeel's mail
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 8:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

 

I had the same provlem Jonathon and i just worked out how to fix it before i read your email.

I rather have links going dow then across.

Cheers michael.

 

From: Cohn, Jonathan

Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:50 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

 

There is another feature to consider.  SmartNav can also effect links. If SmartNav is turned on then paragraphs with links in them will be read as a single block of text but if SmartNav is off  and document presentation is set as discussed  above then links will appear in a separate line.
layout are 


moderated Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

michaeel's mail
 

I had the same provlem Jonathon and i just worked out how to fix it before i read your email.
I rather have links going dow then across.
Cheers michael.
 

From: Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List
 
There is another feature to consider.  SmartNav can also effect links. If SmartNav is turned on then paragraphs with links in them will be read as a single block of text but if SmartNav is off  and document presentation is set as discussed  above then links will appear in a separate line.
layout are 


moderated Re: Accessible Twitter clients

amir
 

Hi,
twblue, can you send new tweets or replies? outgoing activity, can you
do that? i tried but error, i compose new tweet, pressed the send
button and nothing happens. alt tab back to it, the dialog disappears.
this is snapshot version, just got update and updated. tweeted the
dev, no respond. thanks

On 05/02/2020, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:
There's the rub though. There doesn't seem to be a Twitter client that can
reliably display threads and replies. Chicken Nugget didn't. TWBlue is hit
and miss at best and while I couldn't really figure out OpenTween, no one
else has really chimed in touting its accessibility. I do know folks use
it,
including some pretty accessible tech knowledgeable ones. So maybe it's
just
a question of giving a spin and sticking with it. You could always try it
and see if OpenTween is any better at that task. Let us know how you fair.
All that said though, being most accessible doesn't necessarily mean
completely accessible.
From what appear to be the available options for us Windows screen readers,
TWBlue seems to check the most boxes.
I mean, even on iOS which I find to be the superior Twitter user experience
the app Twitterrific I and a lot of us VoiceOver folks use can't display
Twitter polls. In fact no third party Twitter client can. It has to do with
the limitations Twitter implements in the API they make available to
developers.
There's always the Twitter webpage itself too. That for me feels too clunky
even with the keyboard commands. Different strokes for different folks.
Maybe it's better at this sort of thing.
Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique
Fiol via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 8:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible Twitter clients

At 04:04 AM 2/2/2020, Pramit wrote:
>TWBlue is the most accessible Twitter Client.


We're all still trying to "access" Twitter replies and threads.
What's accessible about a client that excludes these?
Orlando Enrique Fiol









moderated twitter client for windows 7 with jaws

amir
 

Hi,
since now open tween not working anymore, and tw blue, i can receive
tweets but cannot send tweets, so what is alternative twitter client
for windows 7? this is windows 7 so no twitter for windows 10 off
course.
also prefer not to use the web.
maybe my tw blue is out of date, but used the snapshot version, got
update and updated , but still the same.
my open tween, december 2019 release, now not working cannot log in.
thanks.


moderated Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications

Shai
 

That's correct Monica but that is only when one is in the Zoom
application. If a person elects to go to the desktop or any other part
of their pc, then the alert that the person has joined/left a meeting
will be indicated by JAWS again.

On 4/27/20, Monica S <mrod16@...> wrote:
Hi, I think you would press windows+alt+s to disable alerts.







From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit
Notifications



I have found that pressing JAWS + S until you hear ‘'”None” turns off screen
echo, which stops JAWS from announcing who has entered or left the meeting.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist
in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13



From: Richard Turner <mailto:richardturner42@...>

Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 8:36 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit
Notifications



Hi,

So, are the announcements of people entering or leaving considered an alert?
Like others, I’ve been thrown into learning zoom.

If those are alerts then they can be turned off, but it looks like all
alerts will be turned off. This is from pressing insert+h in Zoom with
Jaws.

.


Link‑ To enable or disable alerts, press Alt+Windows+S.
Link‑ To hear the most recent alert, press Alt+Windows+A.
Link‑ To be reminded of whether alert announcements are enabled or disabled,
press JAWSKey+Tab.
To review the last 10 alerts or messages, press Control+1 through to
Control+0. Press twice quickly to virtualise.
Link‑ To only allow chat messages when pressing Control+1 through to
Control+0 press control+F5.

Functionality has also been added to report:
The state of recording when ALT+R is pressed. This is a keystroke which
enables or disables the recording.
Whether the recording has been paused or is resuming when ALT+P is pressed.

Whether the audio has been muted for all participants when ALT+A is pressed.


The controls for scheduling and creating a meeting should also be easier to
understand.






Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland,
Oregon.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of David Kingsbury
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 5:26 AM
To: 'JAWS Main Discussion List' <main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> >
Subject: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications



Hi all,



Below is a message I just sent to Zoom Tech Support. If you agree with my
opinion, please take a little time to send them similar requests. It’s more
effective if several people speak out.



Regards,

David



Hello,



I would like to report on a general problem, not specific to any meeting,
and make some suggestions. I am blind and use the JAWS screen reader
program. Like millions of other people, many blind people have increased
their use of the invaluable Zoom platform to stay in touch and conduct
business meetings in these challenging times.



As you know, when participants enter and leave meetings, it is announced. I
assume visual participants see something on the screen. Screen reader users
hear “John Smith has entered the meeting,” or “Sally Jones has left the
meeting.” Because we are forced to hear this audio, it often seriously
disrupts meetings, especially those with a large number of participants.
Presenters who use screen readers are frequently interrupted and thrown off
stride. Participants often have to ask presenters to repeat what they just
said. It can even be awkward and embarrassing. Imagine yourself in a meeting
conducted in a physical conference room. In the middle of a presentation,
somebody suddenly blurts out “My name is John Smith and I am leaving the
meeting.” He then gets up and walks out the door. Of course, everybody would
be shocked at this outrageous behavior. A milder form of this can happen in
Zoom meetings. To be perfectly frank, the main reason I leave meetings early
is that I no longer think the discussion worth my time. But I don’t want to
be forced to publicly proclaim it. One thing I recently figured out is to
rename myself as a fake phone number. That way, when I leave nobody knows
who I am. But I should not be compelled to resort to such devious behavior.




While there are ways that blind people can mute their screen reader program,
that only works for those individuals who know the keystrokes. It does not
help improve overall meeting quality for the other participants. And if I am
a presenter, I may need to hear my screen reader program, so I must unmute
it, causing me to hear this annoying verbiage again.



Giving participants and hosts the option to disable entry and exit
notifications would greatly improve the Zoom meeting experience for screen
reader users. I would suggest the following specific modifications to the
Zoom app on the PC.



For participants:

* In the Settings area accessed through the Home Tab, provide an option for
individuals to mute their individual entry/exit notification.
* Provide an additional option to mute such notifications for all
participants.
* In the Participants List area of the Meeting Controls window for meetings
you are currently participating in, add a disable entry/exit notifications
in the More options for individual participants dropdown.



For hosts:

* In the meetings Tab of the PC app, when scheduling meetings, add an option
to disable exit/entry notifications in the Advanced options dropdown.
* In the Participants List area of the Meeting Controls window for meetings
you are currently hosting, add a disable entry/exit notifications in the
More options for All participants dropdown.



It would be advisable to make similar modifications in the appropriate
places in the smartphone app.





Thank you for taking time to consider these ideas and hopefully implement
them . I strongly believe that if You make these modifications in a future
update, it will greatly improve the Zoom meeting experience for blind and
visually impaired users of the Zoom Cloud platform.



Regards,

David Kingsbury




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moderated Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications

Monica S
 

Hi, I think you would press windows+alt+s to disable alerts. 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications

 

I have found that pressing JAWS + S until you hear ‘'”None” turns off screen echo, which stops JAWS from announcing who has entered or left the meeting.

 

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

 

Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 8:36 AM

Subject: Re: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications

 

Hi,

So, are the announcements of people entering or leaving considered an alert?  Like others, I’ve been thrown into learning zoom.

If those are alerts then they can be turned off, but it looks like all alerts will be turned off.  This is from pressing insert+h in Zoom with Jaws.

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Link‑ To enable or disable alerts, press Alt+Windows+S.
Link‑ To hear the most recent alert, press Alt+Windows+A.
Link‑ To be reminded of whether alert announcements are enabled or disabled, press JAWSKey+Tab.
To review the last 10 alerts or messages, press Control+1 through to Control+0. Press twice quickly to virtualise.
Link‑ To only allow chat messages when pressing Control+1 through to Control+0 press control+F5.

Functionality has also been added to report:
The state of recording when ALT+R is pressed. This is a keystroke which enables or disables the recording.
Whether the recording has been paused or is resuming when ALT+P is pressed.
Whether the audio has been muted for all participants when ALT+A is pressed.

The controls for scheduling and creating a meeting should also be easier to understand.


 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Kingsbury
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 5:26 AM
To: 'JAWS Main Discussion List' <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Message Sent to Zoom Support on Meeting Entry/Exit Notifications

 

Hi all,

 

Below is a message I just sent to Zoom Tech Support. If you agree with my opinion, please take a little time to send them similar requests. It’s more effective if several people speak out.

 

Regards,

David

 

Hello,

 

I would like to report on a general problem, not specific to any meeting, and make some suggestions. I am blind and use the JAWS screen reader program. Like millions of other people, many blind people have increased their use of the invaluable Zoom platform to stay in touch and conduct business meetings in these challenging times.

 

As you know, when participants enter and leave meetings, it is announced. I assume visual participants see something on the screen. Screen reader users hear “John Smith has entered the meeting,” or “Sally Jones has left the meeting.” Because we are forced to hear this audio, it often seriously disrupts meetings, especially those with a large number of participants. Presenters who use screen readers are frequently interrupted and thrown off stride. Participants often have to ask presenters to repeat what they just said. It can even be awkward and embarrassing. Imagine yourself in a meeting conducted in a physical conference room. In the middle of a presentation, somebody suddenly blurts out “My name is John Smith and I am leaving the meeting.” He then gets up and walks out the door. Of course, everybody would be shocked at this outrageous behavior. A milder form of this can happen in Zoom meetings. To be perfectly frank, the main reason I leave meetings early is that I no longer think the discussion worth my time. But I don’t want to be forced to publicly proclaim it. One thing I recently figured out is to rename myself as a fake phone number. That way, when I leave nobody knows who I am. But I should not be compelled to resort to such devious behavior.

 

While there are ways that blind people can mute their screen reader program, that only works for those individuals who know the keystrokes. It does not help improve overall meeting quality for the other participants. And if I am a presenter, I may need to hear my screen reader program, so I must unmute it, causing me to hear this annoying verbiage again.

 

Giving participants and hosts the option to disable entry and exit notifications would greatly improve the Zoom meeting experience for screen reader users. I would suggest the following specific modifications to the Zoom app on the PC.

 

For participants:

  • In the Settings area accessed through the Home Tab, provide an option for individuals to mute their individual entry/exit notification.
  • Provide an additional option to mute such notifications for all participants.
  • In the Participants List area of the Meeting Controls window for meetings you are currently participating in, add a disable entry/exit notifications in the More options for individual participants dropdown.

 

For hosts:

  • In the meetings Tab of the PC app, when scheduling meetings, add an option to disable exit/entry notifications in the Advanced options dropdown.
  • In the Participants List area of the Meeting Controls window for meetings you are currently hosting, add a disable entry/exit notifications in the More options for All participants dropdown.

 

It would be advisable to make similar modifications in the appropriate places in the smartphone app.

 

 

Thank you for taking time to consider these ideas and hopefully implement them . I strongly believe that if You make these modifications in a future update, it will greatly improve the Zoom meeting experience for blind and visually impaired users of the Zoom Cloud platform.

 

Regards,

David Kingsbury

 


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Cohn, Jonathan
 

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