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moderated Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

Glenn / Lenny
 


Well even Jaws 2019 does all 7 needs it to do, I'm sure none of the Jaws updates over the past couple years have benefited 7 users.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

Hi,

There will come a time when Vispero will say, “sorry Windows 7/8.x users, you must now use Windows 10 in order to use JAWS”. I expect this statement will be made as early as 2023.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 7:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

 

On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:34 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

MS has left it [Win7] alone.

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This is no advantage.  The definition of "out of support" means "left alone, zero, nada, zip updates, changes, security patches, anything."

But I'm not going to do the, "You simply don't use unsupported software if you have a lick of common sense," speech again.  A word to the wise should have long ago been sufficient.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

 

Hi,

There will come a time when Vispero will say, “sorry Windows 7/8.x users, you must now use Windows 10 in order to use JAWS”. I expect this statement will be made as early as 2023.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 7:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

 

On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:34 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

MS has left it [Win7] alone.

-
This is no advantage.  The definition of "out of support" means "left alone, zero, nada, zip updates, changes, security patches, anything."

But I'm not going to do the, "You simply don't use unsupported software if you have a lick of common sense," speech again.  A word to the wise should have long ago been sufficient.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

 

On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:34 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
MS has left it [Win7] alone.
-
This is no advantage.  The definition of "out of support" means "left alone, zero, nada, zip updates, changes, security patches, anything."

But I'm not going to do the, "You simply don't use unsupported software if you have a lick of common sense," speech again.  A word to the wise should have long ago been sufficient.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

Glenn / Lenny
 


That is why I still like 7, MS has left it alone.
I have found some things work best with IE, for example, my router configuration page, some of the buttons and links don't work with other browsers, but they do with IE.
Glenn
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:18 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
At least two people pointed out on Win10 Forum that they need Internet Explorer,
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If that is true, and I believe it is, then they had better be raising holy hell with "the powers that be," because it's just not going to be there.

It is sad, very sad, that there are hold-outs that have been making IE compatible only stuff long past the time Microsoft clearly said that it was on borrowed time.  That clock is ticking very loudly now.

Anyone who thinks the statement, "But I neeeeeed it!," is going to make any difference whatsoever has either not paid attention to the history of computing or is very new to computing.  Things do simply go away.  And when you're told they are going away, you make definite plans to work with that fact.

Any entity using something tightly coupled to IE is either going to have to change that in the next year or have catastrophic failure in June 2022.  It really is that simple.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

 

On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:18 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
At least two people pointed out on Win10 Forum that they need Internet Explorer,
-
If that is true, and I believe it is, then they had better be raising holy hell with "the powers that be," because it's just not going to be there.

It is sad, very sad, that there are hold-outs that have been making IE compatible only stuff long past the time Microsoft clearly said that it was on borrowed time.  That clock is ticking very loudly now.

Anyone who thinks the statement, "But I neeeeeed it!," is going to make any difference whatsoever has either not paid attention to the history of computing or is very new to computing.  Things do simply go away.  And when you're told they are going away, you make definite plans to work with that fact.

Any entity using something tightly coupled to IE is either going to have to change that in the next year or have catastrophic failure in June 2022.  It really is that simple.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

 

On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:12 PM, Loy wrote:
The blog said support would end, it did not say it would be removed.
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The phrase, and I quote, "go out of support and be retired."

For those of us in the IT biz, "retired" has a very clear and specific meaning:  It be gone.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

 

Hi,

At least two people pointed out on Win10 Forum that they need Internet Explorer, and I advised them to look into IE mode in Microsoft Edge designed for scenarios like accessing web applications that rely on IE and its rendering engine for full functionality.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kylee@...
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 7:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

 

Um … that means that it will no longer be updated, causing increasing holes in security.

Kylee

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Thursday, 20 May 2021 2:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

 

The blog said support would end, it did not say it would be removed.

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 8:41 PM

Subject: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

 

Hello All,

          Even though this message is not related to JAWS, the impact of this change is so important, and it is so likely to affect quite a few members who still use IE routinely, the information needs to be shared.  My intention is information sharing only, as there's really nothing to discuss.  This is a done deal.

See the article on techcommunity.microsoft.com entitled, Internet Explorer 11 desktop app retirement FAQ.

Those in business settings where they are forced to still use IE for specific sites also should pass this information along to "the powers that be" so that they can be aware of the change that's coming.

You need to start making plans to transition away from IE now, if you have not done so already.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

 

Hi,

My guess is that internet Explorer will become invisible, but some of the underlying technologies such as MSHTML module will continue to be made available. I’m sure Vispero will clarify this, but JAWS will continue to interact with controls powered by IE’s rendering engine.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 7:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

 

The blog said support would end, it did not say it would be removed.

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 8:41 PM

Subject: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

 

Hello All,

          Even though this message is not related to JAWS, the impact of this change is so important, and it is so likely to affect quite a few members who still use IE routinely, the information needs to be shared.  My intention is information sharing only, as there's really nothing to discuss.  This is a done deal.

See the article on techcommunity.microsoft.com entitled, Internet Explorer 11 desktop app retirement FAQ.

Those in business settings where they are forced to still use IE for specific sites also should pass this information along to "the powers that be" so that they can be aware of the change that's coming.

You need to start making plans to transition away from IE now, if you have not done so already.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

kylee@...
 

Um … that means that it will no longer be updated, causing increasing holes in security.

Kylee

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Thursday, 20 May 2021 2:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

 

The blog said support would end, it did not say it would be removed.

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 8:41 PM

Subject: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

 

Hello All,

          Even though this message is not related to JAWS, the impact of this change is so important, and it is so likely to affect quite a few members who still use IE routinely, the information needs to be shared.  My intention is information sharing only, as there's really nothing to discuss.  This is a done deal.

See the article on techcommunity.microsoft.com entitled, Internet Explorer 11 desktop app retirement FAQ.

Those in business settings where they are forced to still use IE for specific sites also should pass this information along to "the powers that be" so that they can be aware of the change that's coming.

You need to start making plans to transition away from IE now, if you have not done so already.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

Loy
 


The blog said support would end, it did not say it would be removed.
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 8:41 PM
Subject: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

Hello All,

          Even though this message is not related to JAWS, the impact of this change is so important, and it is so likely to affect quite a few members who still use IE routinely, the information needs to be shared.  My intention is information sharing only, as there's really nothing to discuss.  This is a done deal.

See the article on techcommunity.microsoft.com entitled, Internet Explorer 11 desktop app retirement FAQ.

Those in business settings where they are forced to still use IE for specific sites also should pass this information along to "the powers that be" so that they can be aware of the change that's coming.

You need to start making plans to transition away from IE now, if you have not done so already.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Multiple versions for Jaws

Cornelius
 

I would suggest you backup and reinstall Windows to start everything fresh. You need not format the HDD, just the SSD where Windows is installed.. Because the software trace is still there either in the registry or some leftover files.
You could also use the reset this PC found in Windows 10 to erase everything and reinstall Windows.
 
 
 

From: kevin meyers
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 10:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Multiple versions for Jaws
 

 

Hi Mike,

 

Thanks for the url to Narator key strokes.

 

For the multiple versions of Jaws and the error message…I went ahead and uninstalled all versions of Jaws including share compoenents. I also deleted Openbook. I then reinstalled Jaws2021.

 

Still the problem exists with Jaws crashing multiple times a day. I cannot update the intel drivers as I get the message my laptop will not accept them. My laptop with windows10 is only 2 years old. Wonder if I need to back up the hard drive and then reformat the SSD drive, hard drive and then reinstall everything. Jaws support is not much help.

 

Thanks,

 

Kevin

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 11:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Multiple versions for Jaws

 

Hi Kevin,

 

1st here's a link to the Narrator keystrokes / commands:

 

 

Personally I've never heard of the error message you received.  Have you tried rebooting  your computer again?  The only thing I can think of that might have happened when removing J18 is that it unauthorized all installed Jaws versions.  When you uninstalled J18 did you happen to uninstall, Shared Components?  If you uninstalled the shared components then I could understand this happening, but since I've never experienced this problem I don't know what sort of message would be received.

 

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

From: kevin meyers

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 8:43 AM

Subject: Multiple versions for Jaws

 

Hello, For the last month or so Jaws 2021 has been crashing. FS support has given me many suggestions of how to correct the problem. Nothing works. I mentioned that I have Jaws 2021, 2020, 2019, 2018 and Jaws18. They told me to uninstall all versions and reinstall Jaws 2021. Yesterday I uninstalled all of Jaws 18. I didn’t uninstall any other versions. I turned on my laptop this morning and Jaws2021 didn’t load. I went into Narrator and the message on the screen said Jaws needs to run with inspect. Therefore I need to contact FS sales. Okay what did I do to cause this problem? Will uninstall all other versions and then reinstalling Jaws2021 work? I tried to do a repair on Jaws 2021 and I got the same message. I hardly use Narrator. Does anyone have short cut keys to use Narrator?

 

Thanks, Kevin


moderated IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

 

Hello All,

          Even though this message is not related to JAWS, the impact of this change is so important, and it is so likely to affect quite a few members who still use IE routinely, the information needs to be shared.  My intention is information sharing only, as there's really nothing to discuss.  This is a done deal.

See the article on techcommunity.microsoft.com entitled, Internet Explorer 11 desktop app retirement FAQ.

Those in business settings where they are forced to still use IE for specific sites also should pass this information along to "the powers that be" so that they can be aware of the change that's coming.

You need to start making plans to transition away from IE now, if you have not done so already.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: May Update for, JAWS2021, Build 2105.53, Download Link + What's New

Cristóbal
 

Seems like a fairly significant update.

Hopefully the email thread thing gets more attention.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 10:48 AM
To: JList <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: May Update for, JAWS2021, Build 2105.53, Download Link + What's New

 

Hi All,

 

Below is the direct download link for the May J2021 build, 2105.53, update + what's new in this release.

 

32 & 64 Bit Download Link:

 

 

What's New:

 

Enhancements in JAWS 2021.2105.53 (May 2021)

 

The following is a list of improvements made between the April 2021 release and the May 2021 update.

 

Easier Navigation Through Email Threads in Outlook

 

It is quite common, particularly in a work or school environment, for email messages to include several people, resulting in lengthy message threads as
participants reply and add to the conversation. When opening an email that contains a thread of messages, including replies or forwards, it can be time
consuming to read through the thread with JAWS or Fusion using the ARROW keys to locate particular responses as you need to move through all of the header
information for each message.

 

To make this easier, you can now use the N or SHIFT+N Navigation Quick Keys to quickly move to and place focus at the beginning of the next or previous
message in an open email thread, skipping over all of the header information. As you navigate with these commands, JAWS and Fusion reads who the message
is from, the date it was sent, and the first line. If you determine this is not the message in the thread you were looking for, continue using N or SHIFT+N
until you reach the message you want. While reading a particular message in the thread, pressing ALT+1 or ALT+2 now announces the sender or date  of the
message at your current location. To review sender and date info for the entire email, press CTRL+HOME to move back to the top before pressing ALT+1 or
ALT+2.

 

For users of the Focus braille display, you can set a NAV rocker to move through messages in an open email thread. While focused in an email, press the
NAV Mode button above the NAV rocker you want to set to cycle through the available navigation modes until "Message" is selected. If you are using an older
Focus display that includes Wiz Wheels, press down on the wheel to select the mode. If focus moves away from the message, the navigation mode defaults
back to Line.

 

Note: Currently, this feature is only available while reading an email and not when editing a message. Additionally, while currently limited to messages
containing replies and forwards from Outlook, we will continue to improve this feature over time to support emails from other sources like Gmail and iOS.

 

Voice Assistant Improvements

 

In the initial 2021 release, we introduced Voice Assistant, a new way to interact with JAWS in Windows 10. Voice Assistant offers a convenient option for
quickly performing various JAWS commands using natural speech instead of memorizing specific keystrokes. Since its introduction, we have received numerous
requests from customers wanting to be able to access more JAWS features by voice in order to increase productivity.

 

Some JAWS features you can now access by using voice commands include:

 

list of 16 items
• Selecting Text, especially blocks of text, has never been easier. Just locate the spot where you wish to begin selecting and say "Hey Sharky, Start Selection."
Then navigate to the location where selection should end and say "Hey Sharky, Finish Selection." You did it! At that point, all text between the two locations
will be highlighted. You can confirm using the SHIFT+INSERT+DOWN ARROW Command to verify you got it all. This works on Web Pages, in Documents, and even
in Emails.
• Working with the JAWS speech history without remembering any keystrokes is now even easier. Try any of the following:
list of 3 items nesting level 1
• "Hey Sharky, Show Speech History"
• "Hey Sharky, Copy Speech History to Clipboard"
• "Hey Sharky, Clear Speech History"
list end nesting level 1
• Working with Technical Support just got easier. Have you ever been asked to get the version information for your software or operating system? Try this
out:
list of 2 items nesting level 1
• "Hey Sharky, Virtualize Version Info"
• "Hey Sharky, Copy Version Info to Clipboard"
list end nesting level 1
• You can now ask JAWS to help virtualize a control or window, or even copy them directly to the Clipboard. For example, go to the JAWS About dialog box,
and try the following:
list of 4 items nesting level 1
• "Hey Sharky, Virtualize Window"
• "Hey Sharky, Copy Window"
• "Hey Sharky, Virtualize Control"
• "Hey Sharky, Copy Control"
list end nesting level 1
• When navigating Word documents and Outlook messages, you can use Voice Assistant to work with various elements like headings, tables, and graphics. Try
the following:
list of 3 items nesting level 1
• "Hey Sharky, List Headings"
• "Hey Sharky, Next Table"
• "Hey Sharky, Next Graphic"
list end nesting level 1
• When editing a Word document or Outlook message, you can use Voice Assistant to move to Spelling or Grammatical errors. For Example, try:
list of 2 items nesting level 1
• "Hey Sharky, Next Spelling Error"
• "Hey Sharky, Next Grammatical Error"
list end nesting level 1
• While reading a message in Outlook containing several replies or forwards, you can now say "Hey Sharky, Next Message" or "Previous Message." You will
skip the headings and get right to the various replies within that email.
• When focused on math content in Word that you wish to navigate, you can now say "Hey Sharky, Math Viewer." This opens the JAWS Math Viewer where you
can explore the current equation.
• To edit a math equation using the new Braille Math Editor, move to the equation and say "Hey Sharky, Math Editor."
• Toggle the Braille or Text Viewers on or off by saying "Hey Sharky, Braille Viewer" or "Text Viewer."
• Start or stop a JAWS Tandem session by saying "Hey Sharky, Tandem."
• Open the Select a Voice Profile dialog box by saying "Hey Sharky, Voice Profile."
• To access something in the System Tray, try saying "Hey Sharky, System Tray."
• Speak the most recent Windows notification by saying "Hey Sharky, Notification."
• If you have a laptop and want to know the charge level of its battery, just say "Hey Sharky, Battery."
• On a web page, open the Custom Label dialog box for labeling an element by saying "Hey Sharky, Custom Label."
list end

 

Braille Math Editor

 

JAWS and Fusion currently supports reading Math equations on web pages that are displayed using MathML, or math equations in Microsoft Word documents inserted
using the native Word math format. You can navigate the individual elements of an equation using the Math Viewer, accessed by pressing ENTER from a web
page or INSERT+SPACEBAR followed by EQUALS from a Word document when focused on the equation. If JAWS braille translation is set to Unified English Braille
or United States English Grade 1 or Grade 2 output, math expressions are also shown on a braille display using Nemeth Braille format.

 

The new Braille Math Editor in JAWS now enables braille users in Windows 10 to input their own equations, and in Office 365, edit existing equations in
Word documents. To open the Math Editor, press the layered command INSERT+SPACEBAR followed by SHIFT+EQUALS (plus sign). Focus braille display users can
also press DOTS 3-4-6-7 CHORD.

 

When the Math Editor opens, focus is placed into an edit field where you can immediately begin typing the equation in Nemeth braille from your braille
display's keyboard. As you type, a preview pane below the edit field visually displays the equation so a sighted teacher or parent can review it. Once
you are finished inputting the math equation, press ENTER or choose the Accept button to close the Math Editor. If you are in Word, the equation you entered
is automatically inserted into the document at your current location. The equation is also copied to the Clipboard so you can paste it in other applications.

 

Opening the Math Editor while focused on a math equation in a Word document displays the existing equation in Nemeth Braille, allowing you to edit or replace
it. After making any changes and pressing ENTER to close the editor, the current equation in the document is replaced by the new or modified equation.

 

Note: After inserting or modifying an equation in Word from the Math Editor, the blinking cursor (dots 7 and 8) on the braille display always remains at
the beginning of the math content, even as you move by character with the LEFT and RIGHT ARROW keys. If you need to insert another line of math content,
first press the END key to move to the end of the current math content and then press ENTER.

 

While the Math Editor is opened, you have the following additional options:

 

list of 3 items
• Press CTRL+N to start a new equation.
• Press CTRL+P to preview the current equation in the Math Viewer. When finished, press ESC to return to the Math Editor.
• Press ALT+E to open the edit menu where you can copy your Nemeth Braille to the Clipboard using a specific format. MathML is the default format when
copying, however, depending on the application where you intend to paste the equation, you can also choose to copy your Nemeth Braille to LaTeX or Braille
ASCII. After choosing a format to copy to, paste the equation into the specific application before pressing ENTER or selecting Accept to close the Math
Editor as this always copies as MathML and will erase the current clipboard contents.
list end

 

To learn more about Nemeth Braille, check out this
Nemeth Tutorial
 which teaches this braille code beginning with the very basics up through advanced mathematics.

 

Other Changes
list of 12 items
• Resolved an issue where JAWS was not announcing the download status of files in Edge Chromium.
• Addressed an issue where the text of a link in a GMail message was not being read if it spanned multiple lines.
• When selecting a link or button on a web page that opens a modal dialog such as a calendar, resolved an issue where JAWS was reading the entire contents
of the dialog all at once as soon as it gained focus.
• JAWS now indicates when you move in and out of text in Google Docs that is marked as a suggestion.
• Expanded the description in Commands Search for setting a temporary PlaceMarker (CTRL+WINDOWS+K) to describe how this keystroke is used as part of selecting
text.
• Added the Copy Speech History to Clipboard keystroke (INSERT+SPACEBAR, CTRL+H) to Commands Search.
• Updated the description in Commands Search for the Read Address Bar keystroke (INSERT+A) so it can be found by searching for either "URL" or "address."
• If the Navigation Quick Key Manager is launched from an Outlook message, the Navigation Quick Key N for moving through messages in a thread, is now listed
so you can reassign it if necessary. The Navigation Quick Key Manager is located in the Run JAWS Manager dialog box (INSERT+F2).
• Resolved an issue where Navigation Quick Keys in Outlook messages would sometimes unexpectedly stop working until you moved focus away then back to the
message.
• When selecting text in Outlook messages for copying and pasting, addressed an issue where selection was not always working as expected, causing the wrong
text to be selected. This occurred most often in messages containing lists.
• Updated the INSERT+H help for Excel to list all of the latest JAWS hot keys.
• Added a new dictionary rule for "FYI" so JAWS no longer says the more verbose "for your information" when encountering this acronym.
list end

 


moderated JAWS and Wonder

Cynthia Bruce
 

Hi All,

 

My university is using wonder for informal virtual gatherings. Does anyone know anything about accessibility with JAWS? I am using JAWS 2021 and Windows 10.

 

Thanks for any insight, and sorry I have very few details.

 

Cynthia


moderated Re: Malwarebytes Tray Application

Robbie Curtis
 

Ok thanks guys. That's what I've been doing. I thought that there was a way to keep it from popping up when Windows starts since it's not accessible in that way. Take care.

On 5/18/2021 3:09 PM, Andy wrote:
Or just hit ALT F4.

Andy

----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Ford" <ttford@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: Malwarebytes Tray Application


Yes there is a way to close that window.  It pops up every time you boot your computer.  Use alt + tab until JAWS announces the Megabytes window is in focus.  Press alt + space bar, and up-arrow until you hear "close". Press enter and it is gone.

Tim Ford


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robbie Curtis
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 10:58 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: MalwareBytes Tray Application

Good Afternoon All,


For those of you using MalwareBytes, is there a way to get rid of the tray application window since it is not accessible? Thanks.
















moderated May Update for, JAWS2021, Build 2105.53, Download Link + What's New

Mike B.
 

Hi All,
 
Below is the direct download link for the May J2021 build, 2105.53, update + what's new in this release.
 
32 & 64 Bit Download Link:
 
 
What's New:
 
Enhancements in JAWS 2021.2105.53 (May 2021)
 
The following is a list of improvements made between the April 2021 release and the May 2021 update.
 
Easier Navigation Through Email Threads in Outlook
 
It is quite common, particularly in a work or school environment, for email messages to include several people, resulting in lengthy message threads as
participants reply and add to the conversation. When opening an email that contains a thread of messages, including replies or forwards, it can be time
consuming to read through the thread with JAWS or Fusion using the ARROW keys to locate particular responses as you need to move through all of the header
information for each message.
 
To make this easier, you can now use the N or SHIFT+N Navigation Quick Keys to quickly move to and place focus at the beginning of the next or previous
message in an open email thread, skipping over all of the header information. As you navigate with these commands, JAWS and Fusion reads who the message
is from, the date it was sent, and the first line. If you determine this is not the message in the thread you were looking for, continue using N or SHIFT+N
until you reach the message you want. While reading a particular message in the thread, pressing ALT+1 or ALT+2 now announces the sender or date  of the
message at your current location. To review sender and date info for the entire email, press CTRL+HOME to move back to the top before pressing ALT+1 or
ALT+2.
 
For users of the Focus braille display, you can set a NAV rocker to move through messages in an open email thread. While focused in an email, press the
NAV Mode button above the NAV rocker you want to set to cycle through the available navigation modes until "Message" is selected. If you are using an older
Focus display that includes Wiz Wheels, press down on the wheel to select the mode. If focus moves away from the message, the navigation mode defaults
back to Line.
 
Note: Currently, this feature is only available while reading an email and not when editing a message. Additionally, while currently limited to messages
containing replies and forwards from Outlook, we will continue to improve this feature over time to support emails from other sources like Gmail and iOS.
 
Voice Assistant Improvements
 
In the initial 2021 release, we introduced Voice Assistant, a new way to interact with JAWS in Windows 10. Voice Assistant offers a convenient option for
quickly performing various JAWS commands using natural speech instead of memorizing specific keystrokes. Since its introduction, we have received numerous
requests from customers wanting to be able to access more JAWS features by voice in order to increase productivity.
 
Some JAWS features you can now access by using voice commands include:
 
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• Selecting Text, especially blocks of text, has never been easier. Just locate the spot where you wish to begin selecting and say "Hey Sharky, Start Selection."
Then navigate to the location where selection should end and say "Hey Sharky, Finish Selection." You did it! At that point, all text between the two locations
will be highlighted. You can confirm using the SHIFT+INSERT+DOWN ARROW Command to verify you got it all. This works on Web Pages, in Documents, and even
in Emails.
• Working with the JAWS speech history without remembering any keystrokes is now even easier. Try any of the following:
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• "Hey Sharky, Show Speech History"
• "Hey Sharky, Copy Speech History to Clipboard"
• "Hey Sharky, Clear Speech History"
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• Working with Technical Support just got easier. Have you ever been asked to get the version information for your software or operating system? Try this
out:
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• "Hey Sharky, Virtualize Version Info"
• "Hey Sharky, Copy Version Info to Clipboard"
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• You can now ask JAWS to help virtualize a control or window, or even copy them directly to the Clipboard. For example, go to the JAWS About dialog box,
and try the following:
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• "Hey Sharky, Virtualize Window"
• "Hey Sharky, Copy Window"
• "Hey Sharky, Virtualize Control"
• "Hey Sharky, Copy Control"
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• When navigating Word documents and Outlook messages, you can use Voice Assistant to work with various elements like headings, tables, and graphics. Try
the following:
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• "Hey Sharky, List Headings"
• "Hey Sharky, Next Table"
• "Hey Sharky, Next Graphic"
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• When editing a Word document or Outlook message, you can use Voice Assistant to move to Spelling or Grammatical errors. For Example, try:
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• "Hey Sharky, Next Spelling Error"
• "Hey Sharky, Next Grammatical Error"
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• While reading a message in Outlook containing several replies or forwards, you can now say "Hey Sharky, Next Message" or "Previous Message." You will
skip the headings and get right to the various replies within that email.
• When focused on math content in Word that you wish to navigate, you can now say "Hey Sharky, Math Viewer." This opens the JAWS Math Viewer where you
can explore the current equation.
• To edit a math equation using the new Braille Math Editor, move to the equation and say "Hey Sharky, Math Editor."
• Toggle the Braille or Text Viewers on or off by saying "Hey Sharky, Braille Viewer" or "Text Viewer."
• Start or stop a JAWS Tandem session by saying "Hey Sharky, Tandem."
• Open the Select a Voice Profile dialog box by saying "Hey Sharky, Voice Profile."
• To access something in the System Tray, try saying "Hey Sharky, System Tray."
• Speak the most recent Windows notification by saying "Hey Sharky, Notification."
• If you have a laptop and want to know the charge level of its battery, just say "Hey Sharky, Battery."
• On a web page, open the Custom Label dialog box for labeling an element by saying "Hey Sharky, Custom Label."
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Braille Math Editor
 
JAWS and Fusion currently supports reading Math equations on web pages that are displayed using MathML, or math equations in Microsoft Word documents inserted
using the native Word math format. You can navigate the individual elements of an equation using the Math Viewer, accessed by pressing ENTER from a web
page or INSERT+SPACEBAR followed by EQUALS from a Word document when focused on the equation. If JAWS braille translation is set to Unified English Braille
or United States English Grade 1 or Grade 2 output, math expressions are also shown on a braille display using Nemeth Braille format.
 
The new Braille Math Editor in JAWS now enables braille users in Windows 10 to input their own equations, and in Office 365, edit existing equations in
Word documents. To open the Math Editor, press the layered command INSERT+SPACEBAR followed by SHIFT+EQUALS (plus sign). Focus braille display users can
also press DOTS 3-4-6-7 CHORD.
 
When the Math Editor opens, focus is placed into an edit field where you can immediately begin typing the equation in Nemeth braille from your braille
display's keyboard. As you type, a preview pane below the edit field visually displays the equation so a sighted teacher or parent can review it. Once
you are finished inputting the math equation, press ENTER or choose the Accept button to close the Math Editor. If you are in Word, the equation you entered
is automatically inserted into the document at your current location. The equation is also copied to the Clipboard so you can paste it in other applications.
 
Opening the Math Editor while focused on a math equation in a Word document displays the existing equation in Nemeth Braille, allowing you to edit or replace
it. After making any changes and pressing ENTER to close the editor, the current equation in the document is replaced by the new or modified equation.
 
Note: After inserting or modifying an equation in Word from the Math Editor, the blinking cursor (dots 7 and 8) on the braille display always remains at
the beginning of the math content, even as you move by character with the LEFT and RIGHT ARROW keys. If you need to insert another line of math content,
first press the END key to move to the end of the current math content and then press ENTER.
 
While the Math Editor is opened, you have the following additional options:
 
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• Press CTRL+N to start a new equation.
• Press CTRL+P to preview the current equation in the Math Viewer. When finished, press ESC to return to the Math Editor.
• Press ALT+E to open the edit menu where you can copy your Nemeth Braille to the Clipboard using a specific format. MathML is the default format when
copying, however, depending on the application where you intend to paste the equation, you can also choose to copy your Nemeth Braille to LaTeX or Braille
ASCII. After choosing a format to copy to, paste the equation into the specific application before pressing ENTER or selecting Accept to close the Math
Editor as this always copies as MathML and will erase the current clipboard contents.
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To learn more about Nemeth Braille, check out this
Nemeth Tutorial
 which teaches this braille code beginning with the very basics up through advanced mathematics.
 
Other Changes
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• Resolved an issue where JAWS was not announcing the download status of files in Edge Chromium.
• Addressed an issue where the text of a link in a GMail message was not being read if it spanned multiple lines.
• When selecting a link or button on a web page that opens a modal dialog such as a calendar, resolved an issue where JAWS was reading the entire contents
of the dialog all at once as soon as it gained focus.
• JAWS now indicates when you move in and out of text in Google Docs that is marked as a suggestion.
• Expanded the description in Commands Search for setting a temporary PlaceMarker (CTRL+WINDOWS+K) to describe how this keystroke is used as part of selecting
text.
• Added the Copy Speech History to Clipboard keystroke (INSERT+SPACEBAR, CTRL+H) to Commands Search.
• Updated the description in Commands Search for the Read Address Bar keystroke (INSERT+A) so it can be found by searching for either "URL" or "address."
• If the Navigation Quick Key Manager is launched from an Outlook message, the Navigation Quick Key N for moving through messages in a thread, is now listed
so you can reassign it if necessary. The Navigation Quick Key Manager is located in the Run JAWS Manager dialog box (INSERT+F2).
• Resolved an issue where Navigation Quick Keys in Outlook messages would sometimes unexpectedly stop working until you moved focus away then back to the
message.
• When selecting text in Outlook messages for copying and pasting, addressed an issue where selection was not always working as expected, causing the wrong
text to be selected. This occurred most often in messages containing lists.
• Updated the INSERT+H help for Excel to list all of the latest JAWS hot keys.
• Added a new dictionary rule for "FYI" so JAWS no longer says the more verbose "for your information" when encountering this acronym.
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moderated Re: Multiple versions for Jaws

kevin meyers
 

I did talk with support with Freedom scientific through email. They gave me many different suggestions and nothing works. They told me they haven’t heard the crashing issue with anyone else.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 11:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Multiple versions for Jaws

 

Hi,

  Did you leave “Shared components” when un installing older versions?

IF you took out “shared components” this most likely is issue.

If this were me I would remove all versions and do a clean install of 2021.

Narrator should be able to work you through the process.

On a side note JAWS and Word , latest versions, causes JAWS to crash more often than before.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 11:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Multiple versions for Jaws

 

Hello, For the last month or so Jaws 2021 has been crashing. FS support has given me many suggestions of how to correct the problem. Nothing works. I mentioned that I have Jaws 2021, 2020, 2019, 2018 and Jaws18. They told me to uninstall all versions and reinstall Jaws 2021. Yesterday I uninstalled all of Jaws 18. I didn’t uninstall any other versions. I turned on my laptop this morning and Jaws2021 didn’t load. I went into Narrator and the message on the screen said Jaws needs to run with inspect. Therefore I need to contact FS sales. Okay what did I do to cause this problem? Will uninstall all other versions and then reinstalling Jaws2021 work? I tried to do a repair on Jaws 2021 and I got the same message. I hardly use Narrator. Does anyone have short cut keys to use Narrator?

 

Thanks, Kevin


moderated Re: Multiple versions for Jaws

kevin meyers
 

I just sent an email replying to Mike. I should include that I used Geek uninstaller and removed anything that had the words Freedom Scientific on it. The problem still exists with Jaws crashing.

 

Thanks,

 

Kevin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 11:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Multiple versions for Jaws

 

I would strongly encourage you to follow Dan's advice, load Narrator and uninstall all versions of Jaws and once done go into Apps and Features one last time and check if there is anything left that says "Freedom Scientific". If so remove it as well, then download the latest Jaws 2021 installer and reinstall Jaws. If you are having difficulties and don't have sighted help you could always try Microsoft Accessibility or Aira, I believe Aira has a deal with Jaws to provide help beyond the free 5 minutes, but you would have to confirm with their agent. Both Microsoft Accessibility and Aira have the ability to connect to your computer and help, of course you probably still have to use Narrator to establish the connection.Dan is correct,

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 9:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Multiple versions for Jaws

 

Hi,

  Did you leave “Shared components” when un installing older versions?

IF you took out “shared components” this most likely is issue.

If this were me I would remove all versions and do a clean install of 2021.

Narrator should be able to work you through the process.

On a side note JAWS and Word , latest versions, causes JAWS to crash more often than before.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 11:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Multiple versions for Jaws

 

Hello, For the last month or so Jaws 2021 has been crashing. FS support has given me many suggestions of how to correct the problem. Nothing works. I mentioned that I have Jaws 2021, 2020, 2019, 2018 and Jaws18. They told me to uninstall all versions and reinstall Jaws 2021. Yesterday I uninstalled all of Jaws 18. I didn’t uninstall any other versions. I turned on my laptop this morning and Jaws2021 didn’t load. I went into Narrator and the message on the screen said Jaws needs to run with inspect. Therefore I need to contact FS sales. Okay what did I do to cause this problem? Will uninstall all other versions and then reinstalling Jaws2021 work? I tried to do a repair on Jaws 2021 and I got the same message. I hardly use Narrator. Does anyone have short cut keys to use Narrator?

 

Thanks, Kevin


moderated Re: Multiple versions for Jaws

kevin meyers
 

 

Hi Mike,

 

Thanks for the url to Narator key strokes.

 

For the multiple versions of Jaws and the error message…I went ahead and uninstalled all versions of Jaws including share compoenents. I also deleted Openbook. I then reinstalled Jaws2021.

 

Still the problem exists with Jaws crashing multiple times a day. I cannot update the intel drivers as I get the message my laptop will not accept them. My laptop with windows10 is only 2 years old. Wonder if I need to back up the hard drive and then reformat the SSD drive, hard drive and then reinstall everything. Jaws support is not much help.

 

Thanks,

 

Kevin

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 11:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Multiple versions for Jaws

 

Hi Kevin,

 

1st here's a link to the Narrator keystrokes / commands:

 

 

Personally I've never heard of the error message you received.  Have you tried rebooting  your computer again?  The only thing I can think of that might have happened when removing J18 is that it unauthorized all installed Jaws versions.  When you uninstalled J18 did you happen to uninstall, Shared Components?  If you uninstalled the shared components then I could understand this happening, but since I've never experienced this problem I don't know what sort of message would be received.

 

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 8:43 AM

Subject: Multiple versions for Jaws

 

Hello, For the last month or so Jaws 2021 has been crashing. FS support has given me many suggestions of how to correct the problem. Nothing works. I mentioned that I have Jaws 2021, 2020, 2019, 2018 and Jaws18. They told me to uninstall all versions and reinstall Jaws 2021. Yesterday I uninstalled all of Jaws 18. I didn’t uninstall any other versions. I turned on my laptop this morning and Jaws2021 didn’t load. I went into Narrator and the message on the screen said Jaws needs to run with inspect. Therefore I need to contact FS sales. Okay what did I do to cause this problem? Will uninstall all other versions and then reinstalling Jaws2021 work? I tried to do a repair on Jaws 2021 and I got the same message. I hardly use Narrator. Does anyone have short cut keys to use Narrator?

 

Thanks, Kevin


moderated Re: Select boxes

 

If the database is is using a Carbon interface, have a look through:  https://www.carbondesignsystem.com/components/select/accessibility/ 

More detail is really necessary about the front end and what it's designed with.  Custom scripting is very often necessary for custom systems, particularly if the front end (or user interface, if you prefer) is not web-based.
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