Exactly the same issues with the find, links list, and other JAWS dialogs.
It won't come up right away, and trying again results in that message.
Wait
15 to 20 seconds next time to see if it ultimately works.

This is a bit annoying, but it's nowhere as annoying as the system locking
up like it did all the time with Jaws 15.

Of course FS is no longer run by the blind for the blind as in the Henter Joyce days.

Maria Campbell

lucky1@...

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.

--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

Actually, Jaws has become more of a problem than it used to be.  Back when

it was somewhere in the single digit release (I started with version 0 and

had a low 4 digit serial) I was able to do just about anything I needed with

Jaws.  Even graphics were mostly easy to work with.  Unfortunately, web and

software developers of today aren't willing to spend the three minutes it

would take to properly tag a webpage for accessibility.  And most of them

are proud they saved the boss that three minutes.  

If you can get to someone with the authority to correct the problem they

don't want to hear about it or where to find the accessibility

documentation.  Many sites that were a breeze three years ago, and workable

a year ago, are now margin at best.  Some sites that have not changed in the

past few years are likewise less accessible due to "improvements" made to

Jaws.

I haven't had any contact with Freedom Scientific in years but in the

distant past they would implement someone's brainstorm and not worry about

the side effects.  I once asked one of the techs how to read a progress bar.

He said to cut out a strip in a piece of cardboard, place it on the screen,

and use a light detector.  The job would have been completed before I got

the cardboard properly aligned.

My rant for the week.

Tony\

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray

Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 4:34 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Well, that's like comparing apples and oranges. Apples developed their own

screen reading software. I guess I feel that as long as FS and the others

keep at it, there's hope. Was the time we didn't get things until

obsolescence had set in. I won't say I don't get impatient; I do, but it is

still worlds better than it was, and it will continue to be even though it

might be at a snail's pace.

CL

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole

Massey

Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 3:59 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

My suspicion is that such problems are going to become a lot more common,

not less. Since Microsoft will update the OS as they feel like it, things

are going to get broken in the normal development process, and we can look

forward to more downtime. Folks on the Apple side of things have dealt with

this for years, where an application will stop working after an upgrade. I

can just hope that your prediction that it'll get easier will bear out,

despite my apprehensions.

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason

White via Groups.io

Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 3:01 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:

Exactly the same issues with the find, links list, and other JAWS dialogs.

It won't come up right away, and trying again results in that message. 

Wait

15 to 20 seconds next time to see if it ultimately works.

I just tried Insert-F7 here (Windows 10, JAWS 17, latest update - Firefox)

and it came up immediately.

Once most people are running Windows 10, and most peoples' systems are up to

date, it will be much easier to report and track down bugs, since there

won't be so many different versions to deal with.

Actually, Jaws has become more of a problem than it used to be.  Back when
it was somewhere in the single digit release (I started with version 0 and
had a low 4 digit serial) I was able to do just about anything I needed with
Jaws.  Even graphics were mostly easy to work with.  Unfortunately, web and
software developers of today aren't willing to spend the three minutes it
would take to properly tag a webpage for accessibility.  And most of them
are proud they saved the boss that three minutes.  

If you can get to someone with the authority to correct the problem they
don't want to hear about it or where to find the accessibility
documentation.  Many sites that were a breeze three years ago, and workable
a year ago, are now margin at best.  Some sites that have not changed in the
past few years are likewise less accessible due to "improvements" made to
Jaws.

I haven't had any contact with Freedom Scientific in years but in the
distant past they would implement someone's brainstorm and not worry about
the side effects.  I once asked one of the techs how to read a progress bar.
He said to cut out a strip in a piece of cardboard, place it on the screen,
and use a light detector.  The job would have been completed before I got
the cardboard properly aligned.

My rant for the week.

Tony\



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 4:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Well, that's like comparing apples and oranges. Apples developed their own
screen reading software. I guess I feel that as long as FS and the others
keep at it, there's hope. Was the time we didn't get things until
obsolescence had set in. I won't say I don't get impatient; I do, but it is
still worlds better than it was, and it will continue to be even though it
might be at a snail's pace.
CL



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

My suspicion is that such problems are going to become a lot more common,
not less. Since Microsoft will update the OS as they feel like it, things
are going to get broken in the normal development process, and we can look
forward to more downtime. Folks on the Apple side of things have dealt with
this for years, where an application will stop working after an upgrade. I
can just hope that your prediction that it'll get easier will bear out,
despite my apprehensions.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason
White via Groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 3:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:

Exactly the same issues with the find, links list, and other JAWS dialogs.

It won't come up right away, and trying again results in that message. 
Wait
15 to 20 seconds next time to see if it ultimately works.

I just tried Insert-F7 here (Windows 10, JAWS 17, latest update - Firefox)
and it came up immediately.

Once most people are running Windows 10, and most peoples' systems are up to
date, it will be much easier to report and track down bugs, since there
won't be so many different versions to deal with.

Exactly the same issues with the find, links list, and other JAWS dialogs.

It won't come up right away, and trying again results in that message.
Wait
15 to 20 seconds next time to see if it ultimately works.

Exactly the same issues with the find, links list, and other JAWS dialogs.

It won't come up right away, and trying again results in that message.
Wait
15 to 20 seconds next time to see if it ultimately works.

Exactly the same issues with the find, links list, and other JAWS dialogs.

It won't come up right away, and trying again results in that message.
Wait
15 to 20 seconds next time to see if it ultimately works.