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moderated Re: Chrome commands question using Windows 10 and JAWS 2020

Adrian Spratt
 

Patrick,

My experience with Chrome is that when I click on a download link, the file is downloaded without any confirmation. The way to find out if it's arrived in your system is to press shift-F6. If it's there, JAWS will speak its name. Assuming your default is your downloads folder, you can also navigate to that folder and confirm.

Robin answered your other question. I'd add that control-F4 closes an individual window for me.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Johnson
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 9:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Chrome commands question using Windows 10 and JAWS 2020

Good morning group,

I am using Chrome on a Windows 10 machine with JAWS 2020 and I am having trouble with the following tasks which I had no problem completing using Firefox (which has gone completely flaky on my laptop).
Opening a file on a web page. In Firefox I could click a file link and I would be given the option to open or save the file. Chrome does not give me this option. According to web searches using CTRL+Enter and/or SHIFT+Enter should do the trick. Neither option works for me.

Closing a window and/or going back to the previous window. In Firefox I could use the File, Close Window to complete this task. As an example after performing a Google search I click on a result and after reading it I want to go back to the results page. Web searches have not turned up any viable solutions.

Thanks for everyone's help,

Patrick


moderated Re: What navigation key should I use for the any link key

Adrian Spratt
 

You don’t mention the n key for skipping links, visited or not.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 12:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: What navigation key should I use for the any link key

 



Hi! My first post here I have dabbled with JAWS before in which it seems a long time ago. Most of that previous info is gone. I have been a NVDA user for the last while. I’m taking advantage of the  free download of JAWS so I can learn a second screenreader. I found it a little frustrating that if I wanted to skip through just links I potentially had to use 2 different buttons. I’m talking about the unvisited and visited buttons. So I did some googling and yay! I came across info about the anylink option.  I am thinking I am going to make the anylink key the K button  and move the place marker key to the J button but, what should I do with the jump to line command which is J at the moment? It seems all the letter navigation keys are taken. I could be wrong about that though. I don’t have any plans on using the jump to line feature at the moment so burying it somewhere doesn’t bother me that much. I’m also open To hear in which what navigation key you used for the Anylink key                 


moderated Re: Window coming up alongside UAC dialogue

Bill White
 

Hi, Sieghard. I did try using the Touch Cursor, but no matter what I did, I couldn’t Tab, SHIFT plus TAB or even answer with ALT plus Y until I turned on Narrator. So, this is a JAWS issue, and it has been going on since the first release of JAWS 2020.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 12:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Window coming up alongside UAC dialogue

 

Have you tried using the Touch cursor to see if you can get to Yes with that?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 10:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Window coming up alongside UAC dialogue

 

No, I wasn’t. But starting Narrator works well, because, once I have answered Yes to the UAC prompt, I can just toggle Narrator off again with CONTROL plus WINDOWS key, ENTER.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Daniel Wolak
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 10:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Window coming up alongside UAC dialogue

 

Hi,

Were you ever able to solve this problem aside from starting narrator?

Thanks for the responses.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Bill White
Sent: April 10, 2020 12:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Window coming up alongside UAC dialogue

 

I had the same problem, and I had to start Narrator to be able to answer Yes in the $$ window.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Daniel Wolak
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 6:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Window coming up alongside UAC dialogue

 

Hi all,

I’m running into an issue with jaws 2020 on Windows10 1909,x64.

Every time a uac dialogue comes up, I’m not presented with the dialogue as normal.

Rather, the window that comes up is something entitled $$$Secure UAP Background Window.

Jaws seems to lag significantly, although I am able to alt+tab into the uac dialogue and then hit alt+y to accept.

I’ve sent this to Vispero, but am just wondering if anyone on the list has any ideas about this?

Cheers,

 

Daniel

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


moderated Re: Chrome commands question using Windows 10 and JAWS 2020

Van Lant, Robin
 

A couple ideas,
When doing a Google Search, if the site you visit opens in a new window or tab, you can use Control W to close that window and go back to your results page. If the site appears in the same tab as your results, Alt left arrow will take you back a page.

I'm not sure about the file opening, as I do let them download first, but you might trying using the content menu on the link and select Save As.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Johnson
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 7:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Chrome commands question using Windows 10 and JAWS 2020

Good morning group,

I am using Chrome on a Windows 10 machine with JAWS 2020 and I am having trouble with the following tasks which I had no problem completing using Firefox (which has gone completely flaky on my laptop).
Opening a file on a web page. In Firefox I could click a file link and I would be given the option to open or save the file. Chrome does not give me this option. According to web searches using CTRL+Enter and/or SHIFT+Enter should do the trick. Neither option works for me.

Closing a window and/or going back to the previous window. In Firefox I could use the File, Close Window to complete this task. As an example after performing a Google search I click on a result and after reading it I want to go back to the results page. Web searches have not turned up any viable solutions.

Thanks for everyone's help,

Patrick



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moderated Re: What navigation key should I use for the any link key

Van Lant, Robin
 

Tab goes through all form elements including buttons, edit boxes, combo boxes, etc.  If you know you are looking for links, it’s nice to just move through that type of element.   I use the Links list box a whole lots more, too, so that I can use first letter navigation to get to a particular link, but it’s nice to have options.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 12:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What navigation key should I use for the any link key

 

Can somebody tell me how having a quick nav key for Any Link differs from using tab?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 10:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What navigation key should I use for the any link key

 

I am an old Window-Eyes user, so I dumped the List hot key, which was l and made it the any link key.

I seldom if ever want to jump to the next list…

 

Its really up to your own preference.

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 10:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What navigation key should I use for the any link key

 

Hi Luke,

 

Press, Insert + F2, to open the Jaws manager and navigate to, Navigate Quick Keys, and press enter.  In here is where you can either add or change your key assignments.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

----- Original Message -----

From: Luke

Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 9:03 AM

Subject: What navigation key should I use for the any link key

 



Hi! My first post here I have dabbled with JAWS before in which it seems a long time ago. Most of that previous info is gone. I have been a NVDA user for the last while. I’m taking advantage of the  free download of JAWS so I can learn a second screenreader. I found it a little frustrating that if I wanted to skip through just links I potentially had to use 2 different buttons. I’m talking about the unvisited and visited buttons. So I did some googling and yay! I came across info about the anylink option.  I am thinking I am going to make the anylink key the K button  and move the place marker key to the J button but, what should I do with the jump to line command which is J at the moment? It seems all the letter navigation keys are taken. I could be wrong about that though. I don’t have any plans on using the jump to line feature at the moment so burying it somewhere doesn’t bother me that much. I’m also open To hear in which what navigation key you used for the Anylink key                 

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moderated Re: Window coming up alongside UAC dialogue

 

Have you tried using the Touch cursor to see if you can get to Yes with that?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 10:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Window coming up alongside UAC dialogue

 

No, I wasn’t. But starting Narrator works well, because, once I have answered Yes to the UAC prompt, I can just toggle Narrator off again with CONTROL plus WINDOWS key, ENTER.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Daniel Wolak
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 10:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Window coming up alongside UAC dialogue

 

Hi,

Were you ever able to solve this problem aside from starting narrator?

Thanks for the responses.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Bill White
Sent: April 10, 2020 12:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Window coming up alongside UAC dialogue

 

I had the same problem, and I had to start Narrator to be able to answer Yes in the $$ window.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Daniel Wolak
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 6:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Window coming up alongside UAC dialogue

 

Hi all,

I’m running into an issue with jaws 2020 on Windows10 1909,x64.

Every time a uac dialogue comes up, I’m not presented with the dialogue as normal.

Rather, the window that comes up is something entitled $$$Secure UAP Background Window.

Jaws seems to lag significantly, although I am able to alt+tab into the uac dialogue and then hit alt+y to accept.

I’ve sent this to Vispero, but am just wondering if anyone on the list has any ideas about this?

Cheers,

 

Daniel

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


moderated Re: What navigation key should I use for the any link key

 

Can somebody tell me how having a quick nav key for Any Link differs from using tab?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 10:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What navigation key should I use for the any link key

 

I am an old Window-Eyes user, so I dumped the List hot key, which was l and made it the any link key.

I seldom if ever want to jump to the next list…

 

Its really up to your own preference.

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 10:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What navigation key should I use for the any link key

 

Hi Luke,

 

Press, Insert + F2, to open the Jaws manager and navigate to, Navigate Quick Keys, and press enter.  In here is where you can either add or change your key assignments.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

----- Original Message -----

From: Luke

Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 9:03 AM

Subject: What navigation key should I use for the any link key

 



Hi! My first post here I have dabbled with JAWS before in which it seems a long time ago. Most of that previous info is gone. I have been a NVDA user for the last while. I’m taking advantage of the  free download of JAWS so I can learn a second screenreader. I found it a little frustrating that if I wanted to skip through just links I potentially had to use 2 different buttons. I’m talking about the unvisited and visited buttons. So I did some googling and yay! I came across info about the anylink option.  I am thinking I am going to make the anylink key the K button  and move the place marker key to the J button but, what should I do with the jump to line command which is J at the moment? It seems all the letter navigation keys are taken. I could be wrong about that though. I don’t have any plans on using the jump to line feature at the moment so burying it somewhere doesn’t bother me that much. I’m also open To hear in which what navigation key you used for the Anylink key                 


moderated Re: Using Microsoft Teams with JAWS

Ann Byrne
 

JAWS has an archived webinar on using MS Teams. It is very helpful.

At 09:49 AM 4/10/2020, you wrote:
Hi Sameer,

I'm hardly using Teams for three weeks now on a laptop running Windows 10 with jaws 2020 latest update because this is my employer's recommended tool for remote working.

This app is globally accessible except for defining a "contact group" in the "Chat" tab, "Contacts" subtab.

In order to learn how to use it, I started from this web page:

<https://support.office.com/en-us/article/basic-tasks-using-a-screen-reader-with-microsoft-teams-538a8741-f21b-4b04-b575-9df70ed4105d#picktab=windows>https://support.office.com/en-us/article/basic-tasks-using-a-screen-reader-with-microsoft-teams-538a8741-f21b-4b04-b575-9df70ed4105d#picktab=windows

I did not install any Jaws script yet but if there are some, I'd also like to know.

Hope this helps. Have a nice day. Chris D

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sameer via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 4:36 PM
To: JFW Group <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Using Microsoft Teams with JAWS

Dear List Friends,

Is Microsoft Teams accessible with JAWS or do we need to install additional JAWS scrips to make it accessible? If we need to install additional JAWS scrips, kindly inform me where I can get these scrips.

Also, request you to kindly point me to a source for keystrokes to be used with Microsoft Teams. I am using the latest version of JAWS 2020 on a Windows 10 machine.

Thanking all in advance for any & all assistance.

Regards
Mr. Sameer Latey
Mumbai, India


moderated Re: What navigation key should I use for the any link key

Richard Turner
 

I am an old Window-Eyes user, so I dumped the List hot key, which was l and made it the any link key.

I seldom if ever want to jump to the next list…

 

Its really up to your own preference.

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 10:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What navigation key should I use for the any link key

 

Hi Luke,

 

Press, Insert + F2, to open the Jaws manager and navigate to, Navigate Quick Keys, and press enter.  In here is where you can either add or change your key assignments.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

----- Original Message -----

From: Luke

Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 9:03 AM

Subject: What navigation key should I use for the any link key

 



Hi! My first post here I have dabbled with JAWS before in which it seems a long time ago. Most of that previous info is gone. I have been a NVDA user for the last while. I’m taking advantage of the  free download of JAWS so I can learn a second screenreader. I found it a little frustrating that if I wanted to skip through just links I potentially had to use 2 different buttons. I’m talking about the unvisited and visited buttons. So I did some googling and yay! I came across info about the anylink option.  I am thinking I am going to make the anylink key the K button  and move the place marker key to the J button but, what should I do with the jump to line command which is J at the moment? It seems all the letter navigation keys are taken. I could be wrong about that though. I don’t have any plans on using the jump to line feature at the moment so burying it somewhere doesn’t bother me that much. I’m also open To hear in which what navigation key you used for the Anylink key                 


moderated Re: sound card crackles

Jim Pursley
 

Ditto.  I had thought that my two sound card setup created the interference and warbled speech but it now seems to have another cause.  Closing and reopening JAWS does the trick.

On 4/10/2020 1:11 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:

Hi,

  In addition to what others have written I just want to add my experience.

From time to time my sound card will begin to crackle.  Dumping and re starting JAWS fixes the issue.  I have never traced what causes the problem and as it is intermittent it is hard to determine .  I am using Win 10 ,latest version, and latest release of JAWS on an HP with dedicated video memory and 16gb of memory. 

No solution I know rather just a note that I have seen the issue and a JAWS re start takes care of it.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Juan Hernandez
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 1:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: sound card crackles

 

Hi All,

 

I was just wondering if any of you have ever noticed your sound card device crackle when using speech?  I just got a new Lenovo p52 mobile workstation computer and there is some annoying crackle when speech occurs.  I would appreciate if anyone has any good ideas on how to fix this.

 

Best,

 

Juan


moderated Re: What navigation key should I use for the any link key

Mike B
 


Hi Luke,
 
Press, Insert + F2, to open the Jaws manager and navigate to, Navigate Quick Keys, and press enter.  In here is where you can either add or change your key assignments.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

----- Original Message -----
From: Luke
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 9:03 AM
Subject: What navigation key should I use for the any link key



Hi! My first post here I have dabbled with JAWS before in which it seems a long time ago. Most of that previous info is gone. I have been a NVDA user for the last while. I’m taking advantage of the  free download of JAWS so I can learn a second screenreader. I found it a little frustrating that if I wanted to skip through just links I potentially had to use 2 different buttons. I’m talking about the unvisited and visited buttons. So I did some googling and yay! I came across info about the anylink option.  I am thinking I am going to make the anylink key the K button  and move the place marker key to the J button but, what should I do with the jump to line command which is J at the moment? It seems all the letter navigation keys are taken. I could be wrong about that though. I don’t have any plans on using the jump to line feature at the moment so burying it somewhere doesn’t bother me that much. I’m also open To hear in which what navigation key you used for the Anylink key                  


moderated Re: Window coming up alongside UAC dialogue

Bill White
 

No, I wasn’t. But starting Narrator works well, because, once I have answered Yes to the UAC prompt, I can just toggle Narrator off again with CONTROL plus WINDOWS key, ENTER.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Daniel Wolak
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 10:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Window coming up alongside UAC dialogue

 

Hi,

Were you ever able to solve this problem aside from starting narrator?

Thanks for the responses.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Bill White
Sent: April 10, 2020 12:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Window coming up alongside UAC dialogue

 

I had the same problem, and I had to start Narrator to be able to answer Yes in the $$ window.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Daniel Wolak
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 6:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Window coming up alongside UAC dialogue

 

Hi all,

I’m running into an issue with jaws 2020 on Windows10 1909,x64.

Every time a uac dialogue comes up, I’m not presented with the dialogue as normal.

Rather, the window that comes up is something entitled $$$Secure UAP Background Window.

Jaws seems to lag significantly, although I am able to alt+tab into the uac dialogue and then hit alt+y to accept.

I’ve sent this to Vispero, but am just wondering if anyone on the list has any ideas about this?

Cheers,

 

Daniel

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


moderated Re: Window coming up alongside UAC dialogue

Daniel Wolak
 

Hi,

Were you ever able to solve this problem aside from starting narrator?

Thanks for the responses.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Bill White
Sent: April 10, 2020 12:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Window coming up alongside UAC dialogue

 

I had the same problem, and I had to start Narrator to be able to answer Yes in the $$ window.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Daniel Wolak
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 6:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Window coming up alongside UAC dialogue

 

Hi all,

I’m running into an issue with jaws 2020 on Windows10 1909,x64.

Every time a uac dialogue comes up, I’m not presented with the dialogue as normal.

Rather, the window that comes up is something entitled $$$Secure UAP Background Window.

Jaws seems to lag significantly, although I am able to alt+tab into the uac dialogue and then hit alt+y to accept.

I’ve sent this to Vispero, but am just wondering if anyone on the list has any ideas about this?

Cheers,

 

Daniel

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


moderated Re: Email client for Jaws 2019

Don H
 

I am using the latest version of Thunderbird along with the latest version of NVDA and have no issues.  I neever have the statgus bar enabled.  See no real need to have it enabled.

On 4/10/2020 11:43 AM, Leo wrote:

oh yes, about that, as you supposed, it's an issue for n v d a users, not jaws users, I'm pretty sure of it!


Best,
   Leo
On 4/10/2020 10:22 AM, David Griffith wrote:

 

I have not installed the latest version of thunderbird but there have been numerous complaints over the last few days on the  NVDA list that  the latest version has become unusable as it has become too verbose and there was wide disappointment that Mozeilla had failed to test it with screenreaders. There were complaints that it was now unusable and  looking to downgrade to previous versions.

 

It may be that Jaws users are getting a different experience but   I had assumed that there would be a relatively similar screenreader experience. Certainly in the past NVDA and Jaws had performed relatively similarly when I have used Thunderbird in the past.

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Mario
Sent: 10 April 2020 15:34
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Email client for Jaws 2019

 

what access issues in the latest version of Thunderbird?

I'm using JAWS 2018 and haven't experienced any issues.

 

 

-------- Original Message --------

From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@...]

To: <main@jfw.groups.io>

Date: Friday, April 10, 2020, 9:22 AM

Subject: Email client for Jaws 2019

I am using both Outlook subscription version and Windows Mail

 

I use Jaws 2020 but have also used Jaws 2019 without issues.

 

Windows Mail in particular takes a little getting used to as you lose

focus from the inbox list every time new messages arrive

 

If you hear navigation bar or loading this will mean you have lost focus

from the inbox but you will then become a fan of the shift tab key as a

press or two of this should land you back on the inbox. This is part of

my muscle memory so this has ceased to be annoying.

 

The advantage of Windows Mail for me over Outlook is that it is

lightning fast, easy to set up and has a fantastic automatic preview

reading feature which allows you to hear the first 2 or 3 lines of an

email as you cursor down the inbox. This often allows me to delete mail

without even opening it.

 

Occasionally Mail will crash with Jaws, though not with NVDA for some

reason. However Mail is so fast at loading I again have got used to just

pressing the windows key and pressing Mto launch it again.

 

Outlook is slower but with more bells and whistles but as far as I am

aware has absolutely no access issues of any significance. I am using it

with Jaws 2019 at the moment to check that nothing has changed before

sending this message back to you.

 

I think at the moment it would be difficult to find a better alternative

than Mail and Outlook as I believe that there has been access issues in

the latest version of Thunderbird which was the other mainstay of

accessible email clients. There are some legacy version of Outlook

Express which apparently have accessibility support but I do not

personally use this.

 

What exactly are the issues you are having with Mail and Outlook? I

really think you may be better served trying to sort these out first

rather than going from the frying pan to the fire of other optionswhich

may have even more access challenges.

 

David Griffith

 

.

 

this

 

load.

 

You have to get used to using the shift

 

.

 

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Nickus de Vos

*Sent:* 10 April 2020 12:08

*To:* main@jfw.groups.io

*Subject:* Email client for Jaws 2019

 

Hi all

I'm running the latest Windows 10 with Jaws 2019. I'm battling to find a

email client which is accessible with Jaws 2019.

I tried MS Office since I have Office 365 and I also tried Windows Mail,

but Jaws 2019 seams to have issues with both. Unless I'm missing

something, is there maybe settings to be changed or layouts which make

these work better with Jaws 2019?

 

Thank you

 

Nickus

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: Email client for Jaws 2019

Leo
 

oh yes, about that, as you supposed, it's an issue for n v d a users, not jaws users, I'm pretty sure of it!


Best,
   Leo
On 4/10/2020 10:22 AM, David Griffith wrote:

 

I have not installed the latest version of thunderbird but there have been numerous complaints over the last few days on the  NVDA list that  the latest version has become unusable as it has become too verbose and there was wide disappointment that Mozeilla had failed to test it with screenreaders. There were complaints that it was now unusable and  looking to downgrade to previous versions.

 

It may be that Jaws users are getting a different experience but   I had assumed that there would be a relatively similar screenreader experience. Certainly in the past NVDA and Jaws had performed relatively similarly when I have used Thunderbird in the past.

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Mario
Sent: 10 April 2020 15:34
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Email client for Jaws 2019

 

what access issues in the latest version of Thunderbird?

I'm using JAWS 2018 and haven't experienced any issues.

 

 

-------- Original Message --------

From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@...]

To: <main@jfw.groups.io>

Date: Friday, April 10, 2020, 9:22 AM

Subject: Email client for Jaws 2019

I am using both Outlook subscription version and Windows Mail

 

I use Jaws 2020 but have also used Jaws 2019 without issues.

 

Windows Mail in particular takes a little getting used to as you lose

focus from the inbox list every time new messages arrive

 

If you hear navigation bar or loading this will mean you have lost focus

from the inbox but you will then become a fan of the shift tab key as a

press or two of this should land you back on the inbox. This is part of

my muscle memory so this has ceased to be annoying.

 

The advantage of Windows Mail for me over Outlook is that it is

lightning fast, easy to set up and has a fantastic automatic preview

reading feature which allows you to hear the first 2 or 3 lines of an

email as you cursor down the inbox. This often allows me to delete mail

without even opening it.

 

Occasionally Mail will crash with Jaws, though not with NVDA for some

reason. However Mail is so fast at loading I again have got used to just

pressing the windows key and pressing Mto launch it again.

 

Outlook is slower but with more bells and whistles but as far as I am

aware has absolutely no access issues of any significance. I am using it

with Jaws 2019 at the moment to check that nothing has changed before

sending this message back to you.

 

I think at the moment it would be difficult to find a better alternative

than Mail and Outlook as I believe that there has been access issues in

the latest version of Thunderbird which was the other mainstay of

accessible email clients. There are some legacy version of Outlook

Express which apparently have accessibility support but I do not

personally use this.

 

What exactly are the issues you are having with Mail and Outlook? I

really think you may be better served trying to sort these out first

rather than going from the frying pan to the fire of other optionswhich

may have even more access challenges.

 

David Griffith

 

.

 

this

 

load.

 

You have to get used to using the shift

 

.

 

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Nickus de Vos

*Sent:* 10 April 2020 12:08

*To:* main@jfw.groups.io

*Subject:* Email client for Jaws 2019

 

Hi all

I'm running the latest Windows 10 with Jaws 2019. I'm battling to find a

email client which is accessible with Jaws 2019.

I tried MS Office since I have Office 365 and I also tried Windows Mail,

but Jaws 2019 seams to have issues with both. Unless I'm missing

something, is there maybe settings to be changed or layouts which make

these work better with Jaws 2019?

 

Thank you

 

Nickus

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: What navigation key should I use for the any link key

Dean Martineau
 

I did some switching: I turned place marker into P, then use K for Any Link. I don’t tend to use P for paragraph, as ctrl+down arrow works.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 12:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What navigation key should I use for the any link key

 

I set mine to Y.  I think the default is that Y does the next span element and I just don’t navigate with that.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: What navigation key should I use for the any link key

 



Hi! My first post here I have dabbled with JAWS before in which it seems a long time ago. Most of that previous info is gone. I have been a NVDA user for the last while. I’m taking advantage of the  free download of JAWS so I can learn a second screenreader. I found it a little frustrating that if I wanted to skip through just links I potentially had to use 2 different buttons. I’m talking about the unvisited and visited buttons. So I did some googling and yay! I came across info about the anylink option.  I am thinking I am going to make the anylink key the K button  and move the place marker key to the J button but, what should I do with the jump to line command which is J at the moment? It seems all the letter navigation keys are taken. I could be wrong about that though. I don’t have any plans on using the jump to line feature at the moment so burying it somewhere doesn’t bother me that much. I’m also open To hear in which what navigation key you used for the Anylink key                 

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moderated Re: Window coming up alongside UAC dialogue

Bill White
 

I had the same problem, and I had to start Narrator to be able to answer Yes in the $$ window.

 

Bill White

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Daniel Wolak
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 6:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Window coming up alongside UAC dialogue

 

Hi all,

I’m running into an issue with jaws 2020 on Windows10 1909,x64.

Every time a uac dialogue comes up, I’m not presented with the dialogue as normal.

Rather, the window that comes up is something entitled $$$Secure UAP Background Window.

Jaws seems to lag significantly, although I am able to alt+tab into the uac dialogue and then hit alt+y to accept.

I’ve sent this to Vispero, but am just wondering if anyone on the list has any ideas about this?

Cheers,

 

Daniel

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


moderated Re: What navigation key should I use for the any link key

Van Lant, Robin
 

I set mine to Y.  I think the default is that Y does the next span element and I just don’t navigate with that.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: What navigation key should I use for the any link key

 



Hi! My first post here I have dabbled with JAWS before in which it seems a long time ago. Most of that previous info is gone. I have been a NVDA user for the last while. I’m taking advantage of the  free download of JAWS so I can learn a second screenreader. I found it a little frustrating that if I wanted to skip through just links I potentially had to use 2 different buttons. I’m talking about the unvisited and visited buttons. So I did some googling and yay! I came across info about the anylink option.  I am thinking I am going to make the anylink key the K button  and move the place marker key to the J button but, what should I do with the jump to line command which is J at the moment? It seems all the letter navigation keys are taken. I could be wrong about that though. I don’t have any plans on using the jump to line feature at the moment so burying it somewhere doesn’t bother me that much. I’m also open To hear in which what navigation key you used for the Anylink key                 

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moderated Re: Email client for Jaws 2019

David Griffith
 

 

I have not installed the latest version of thunderbird but there have been numerous complaints over the last few days on the  NVDA list that  the latest version has become unusable as it has become too verbose and there was wide disappointment that Mozeilla had failed to test it with screenreaders. There were complaints that it was now unusable and  looking to downgrade to previous versions.

 

It may be that Jaws users are getting a different experience but   I had assumed that there would be a relatively similar screenreader experience. Certainly in the past NVDA and Jaws had performed relatively similarly when I have used Thunderbird in the past.

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Mario
Sent: 10 April 2020 15:34
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Email client for Jaws 2019

 

what access issues in the latest version of Thunderbird?

I'm using JAWS 2018 and haven't experienced any issues.

 

 

-------- Original Message --------

From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@...]

To: <main@jfw.groups.io>

Date: Friday, April 10, 2020, 9:22 AM

Subject: Email client for Jaws 2019

I am using both Outlook subscription version and Windows Mail

 

I use Jaws 2020 but have also used Jaws 2019 without issues.

 

Windows Mail in particular takes a little getting used to as you lose

focus from the inbox list every time new messages arrive

 

If you hear navigation bar or loading this will mean you have lost focus

from the inbox but you will then become a fan of the shift tab key as a

press or two of this should land you back on the inbox. This is part of

my muscle memory so this has ceased to be annoying.

 

The advantage of Windows Mail for me over Outlook is that it is

lightning fast, easy to set up and has a fantastic automatic preview

reading feature which allows you to hear the first 2 or 3 lines of an

email as you cursor down the inbox. This often allows me to delete mail

without even opening it.

 

Occasionally Mail will crash with Jaws, though not with NVDA for some

reason. However Mail is so fast at loading I again have got used to just

pressing the windows key and pressing Mto launch it again.

 

Outlook is slower but with more bells and whistles but as far as I am

aware has absolutely no access issues of any significance. I am using it

with Jaws 2019 at the moment to check that nothing has changed before

sending this message back to you.

 

I think at the moment it would be difficult to find a better alternative

than Mail and Outlook as I believe that there has been access issues in

the latest version of Thunderbird which was the other mainstay of

accessible email clients. There are some legacy version of Outlook

Express which apparently have accessibility support but I do not

personally use this.

 

What exactly are the issues you are having with Mail and Outlook? I

really think you may be better served trying to sort these out first

rather than going from the frying pan to the fire of other optionswhich

may have even more access challenges.

 

David Griffith

 

.

 

this

 

load.

 

You have to get used to using the shift

 

.

 

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Nickus de Vos

*Sent:* 10 April 2020 12:08

*To:* main@jfw.groups.io

*Subject:* Email client for Jaws 2019

 

Hi all

I'm running the latest Windows 10 with Jaws 2019. I'm battling to find a

email client which is accessible with Jaws 2019.

I tried MS Office since I have Office 365 and I also tried Windows Mail,

but Jaws 2019 seams to have issues with both. Unless I'm missing

something, is there maybe settings to be changed or layouts which make

these work better with Jaws 2019?

 

Thank you

 

Nickus

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated What navigation key should I use for the any link key

Luke
 



Hi! My first post here I have dabbled with JAWS before in which it seems a long time ago. Most of that previous info is gone. I have been a NVDA user for the last while. I’m taking advantage of the  free download of JAWS so I can learn a second screenreader. I found it a little frustrating that if I wanted to skip through just links I potentially had to use 2 different buttons. I’m talking about the unvisited and visited buttons. So I did some googling and yay! I came across info about the anylink option.  I am thinking I am going to make the anylink key the K button  and move the place marker key to the J button but, what should I do with the jump to line command which is J at the moment? It seems all the letter navigation keys are taken. I could be wrong about that though. I don’t have any plans on using the jump to line feature at the moment so burying it somewhere doesn’t bother me that much. I’m also open To hear in which what navigation key you used for the Anylink key